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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Oct 16, 2020 8:12:30 GMT
I feel somewhat uncomfortable with this match. It looks quite likely that Kerry will win it based on their form earlier this year and the fact that Galway are missing quite a few key players. If Kerry do win will it be deserved? Will it be on merit? Would we beat Galway at full strength?
And what if we would win the U20 title? Will it go down in the history books of the mind as the U20 title that Kerry stole?
I'd much rather wait until all teams are at full strength again and then see who is the best.
I hope it would still be Kerry.
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Post by john4 on Oct 16, 2020 8:29:19 GMT
I feel somewhat uncomfortable with this match. It looks quite likely that Kerry will win it based on their form earlier this year and the fact that Galway are missing quite a few key players. If Kerry do win will it be deserved? Will it be on merit? Would we beat Galway at full strength? And what if we would win the U20 title? Will it go down in the history books of the mind as the U20 title that Kerry stole? I'd much rather wait until all teams are at full strength again and then see who is the best. I hope it would still be Kerry. There has been Thousands of football matches played up and down the country since the 29th of June when training resumed without any cases of the virus amongst players. Moycullen win the Galway county championship and the players go on the lash and pick up the virus. This has F all to do with football. We're dealing with adults here and personal responsibility, if fellas haven't the cop on to limit their own personal exposure to other people you run the chance of getting the virus and ruling yourself out of the County team. I've zero sympathy for the Galway lads, in the same way I wouldn't have any sympathy for the Kerry lads if the situation was reversed. Pubs are the problem not football |
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Post by buck02 on Oct 16, 2020 10:13:03 GMT
My God there is some daft stuff on this forum lately.
This game is going to be played in great conditions for this time of the year but I think it might be cagey enough with both teams sizing each other up in the first half.
There was little between them at minor level and with little or no form guide to go with this will be a 50/50. Hopefully our lads will produce a display like the 2nd half against Cork and that should be good enough to beat most teams.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Oct 16, 2020 13:06:09 GMT
a member of kerry u20 panel has tested positive for covid-19. a further number of the panel are self isolating having been in contact with the player
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Post by inforthebreaks on Oct 16, 2020 13:08:02 GMT
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Post by Galway breeze on Oct 16, 2020 13:41:30 GMT
I am wondering if whole that have no sympathy for Galway players are now showing no sympathy to Kerry u20s.
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Post by Donegalshannonranger on Oct 16, 2020 14:36:51 GMT
I have no sympathy with Moycullen and the Galway teams. Moycullen won the Galway Senior county championship and did not follow the procedures to avoid covid. It is just a reminder that poor behaviour is not worth the rick and also they are unnecessarily putting extra work on the medical front line staff. Agreed and no sympathy for the Kerry lads who we just found out didn't follow the guidelines. |
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Post by peanuts on Oct 16, 2020 14:44:53 GMT
a member of kerry u20 panel has tested positive for covid-19. a further number of the panel are self isolating having been in contact with the player This is going to be a regular occurrence unfortunately for (whatever is left of) the remaining games this year (& beyond?). I was really looking forward to the games going ahead but am having second thoughts at this stage. I don't think the GAA can postpone any games as a precedent will be set but the thought of big name players like David Clifford or Brian Fenton or whoever missing an AI semi final or final because of being a close contact will potentially devalue the championship. Could all be a moot discussion anyway if/when we get to level 5. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 14:54:04 GMT
There is no potentially about it. The u20 competition has already been devalued and it will happen again elsewhere
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Oct 16, 2020 16:02:53 GMT
Isn't the championship, U20, minor or senior not about seeing the best footballers in action?
With Kerry and Galway both missing some players it will no longer showcase the best versus the best.
Football has become an exercise of who can keep most players out of trouble.
Any idea of the team that will play tomorrow?
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Post by veteran on Oct 16, 2020 19:43:37 GMT
Just noticed the team selection on the main site. I don’t usually retain match programmes but. I do have the one from the Munster final. Goalie , Marc Kelliher is replaced by Dovidis Uosis. Dan McCarhy is replaced by Alan Dineen. Half back line is as . Sean O’Connell replaces Darragh Lyne at midfield. Sean Keane replaces Paul Walsh at wing forward with Paul now at FF. Eddie Horan replaces Patrick Darcy on the forty. Sean Horan replaces Paul O’Shea in the right corner.
Marc Kelliher, Dan Mccarhty , Darragh Lyne , Patrick Darcy and Paul O’Shea are no longer on the panel and of course Donal O’Sullivan is still absent. This absentee list contains a lot of pivotal players . It is difficult to see them winning in those circumstances but of course I do not know how many Galway lads will be missing and how significant those players are to their cause.
i notice Owen Fitzgerald is retained at right corner back after struggling and being replaced the last day. I thought David Mangan would have played himself on to that position after impressing so much in the county championship. Perhaps Owen will redeem himself tomorrow.
Sean Quilter continues to be a sub.
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Post by diego on Oct 16, 2020 21:55:30 GMT
Judging by the rejuggling of shirt numbers, it looks like 4 of those cited as no longer being on the panel may have been due to start. Serious disruption for John Sugrue at such short notice. Glad to see Jack Kennelly promoted to the bench though, seen a lot of Ballydonoghue this year through the wonders of the interweb. That kid has got game.
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Post by taibhse on Oct 17, 2020 10:34:53 GMT
The old saying that one should ‘Never go to war with a small army’ has rarely been so true. The spine of the team has been torn out and the strength of the panel is being stretched to a degree that nobody could have foreseen. If they can pull off this one, it would be remarkable, but I have no doubt they will be well up for the fight. Best of luck to all involved.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Oct 17, 2020 11:27:28 GMT
The Kerry U-20 Football team to play Galway tomorrow, Daturday 17th October, in the All-Ireland U-20 Championship Semi-Final is as follows:
Starting Team
16-Deividas Uosis Dingle
2-Owen Fitzgerald Gneevguilla
3-Alan Dineen Rathmore
4-James McCarthy Kenmare Shamrocks
5-Luka Brosnan Castleisland Desmonds
6-Dylan Casey Austin Stacks
7-Sean O Brien Beaufort
17-Sean O Connell Cordal
9-Michael O Gara Austin Stacks
10-Sean Keane Listowel Emmetts
21-Eddie Horan Scartaglen
12-Killian Falvey Annascaul
18-Seán Horan Scartaglen
14-Paul Walsh Brosna
15-Ruaidhri Ó Beaglaoich An Gaeltacht
Subs
1-Brian Lonergan Ballymacelligott
8-Colm Moriarty Annascaul
11-Darragh Lynch Listowel Emmetts
19-Mark Cooper Dr Crokes
20-David Mangan Laune Rangers
13-Jack Kennelly Ballydonoghue
22-Dylan Geaney Dingle
23-Conor Hayes Kerins O Rahillys
24-Sean Quilter Austin Stacks
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Post by Galway breeze on Oct 17, 2020 16:35:29 GMT
The more physical and better conditioned team won, Kerry look very weak. But Dublin look far superior to Galway and will win u20 all Ireland. It’s hard to believe that out off the 5 minor all Ireland’s Kerry haven’t got to even a final at u20s.
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Post by taggert on Oct 17, 2020 16:40:10 GMT
Thought Kerry were very poor - especially up against a Galway side who do not look like a very strong side. Kick passing by Kerry was attrocious and we saw a number of "big boned" Kerry gents puffing and panting by the end. Some of whom didn't even start the game! Dreadful display by Kerry overall, save for the Keeper who kicked 3 lovely points.
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Post by kot on Oct 17, 2020 16:41:13 GMT
Absences aside, that was the continuation of an inexcusable trend for an age group who won an all ireland at the preceding age level. Is it the players attitudes or are we a bit behind when it comes to the development after they leave the underage setup.
Watching those young lads coming up, what was so exciting was how well they executed their decision making and were clinical and ruthless no matter the team and scoreline.
It doesn’t carry through to senior where we could make a prozac nervous and as for the performances in u20/1 the last few years, the teams are unrecognisable!
Outfought on the pitch, outthought on the sideline and limping out before even making it to the showpiece.
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Post by fivenarow on Oct 17, 2020 16:52:00 GMT
The more physical and better conditioned team won, Kerry look very weak. But Dublin look far superior to Galway and will win u20 all Ireland. It’s hard to believe that out off the 5 minor all Ireland’s Kerry haven’t got to even a final at u20s. In fairness Kerry’s two best forwards David Clifford & Sean o Shea have hardly played u21 or u20 football due to one of the most daft rules the gaa have ever brought in. I think you could put Diarmuid o Connor in there for a year as well. Getting back to today, Galway were well worth the win, more physical & clinical in front of goals. Some of our guys looked like u17s up against them , surely we have better & more aggressive forwards or players in the county than what was on show today? As someone else said there was a good few fellas tanked at the end today, the needles black card with 10 mins to go didn’t help either. |
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Post by gaelicden on Oct 17, 2020 17:04:13 GMT
I have no hope for Kerry U20 yet I'm still disappointed. I'm beginning to wonder if the attitude of our U20 players is right at all.
I feel as if the minor wins was the peak for some of these players (not every player mind) and they're now just living off that hype. The desire to reap more success seems to be gone.
Last year I was delighted when the minor team lost (people will definitely not agree with me on this) but I felt then that it would be the kick that will lead to an AI U20 title. They would be hurt and there would be hunger to win at U20 level. We probably won't see that response until next year at the earliest.
I still have hope, even though they lost today, that few will make their mark either next year (at this level) or over the next few years at senior, but for some, I'm doubtful we'll see them wear the green and gold of Kerry again.
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Post by glen on Oct 17, 2020 17:32:20 GMT
Missing Mark Kelliher, Darragh Lyne, Paul O’Shea, Patrick Darcy, Donal O’Sullivan and Dan McCarthy. Most of the star players missing. We need some sense of realism.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 17:35:21 GMT
Did Sean Quilter get any game time. I switched off towards the end
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 17:40:39 GMT
Missing Mark Kelliher, Darragh Lyne, Paul O’Shea, Patrick Darcy, Donal O’Sullivan and Dan McCarthy. Most of the star players missing. We need some sense of realism. Exactly. Also we did not win the u17 competition in 2017 or the minor in 2019 so its not like this bunch of u20 players are some sort of golden generation that are massively underperforming. |
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Post by kot on Oct 17, 2020 17:54:11 GMT
Missing Mark Kelliher, Darragh Lyne, Paul O’Shea, Patrick Darcy, Donal O’Sullivan and Dan McCarthy. Most of the star players missing. We need some sense of realism. Exactly. Also we did not win the u17 competition in 2017 or the minor in 2019 so its not like this bunch of u20 players are some sort of golden generation that are massively underperforming. They won the minor in 2018 didnt they? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 18:09:01 GMT
Yes they did.
This u20 team is made up of the u17 teams of the past 3 years, only one of which has won one all Ireland. Some on here seem to think it is a massive underachievement losing to galway today and that the minor success has gone to their heads.
This teams star players should be the u17 team in 2017
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Post by Galway breeze on Oct 17, 2020 18:29:25 GMT
To be fair Galway were also down some very influential players in McLaughlin, Sweeney, Alan Greene and Culhane. No excuses for a poor performance by Kerry and as we seen in earlier post Kerry is one of two counties invested in full time Strength and Conditioning Coach.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 17, 2020 18:37:00 GMT
Uosis's last kick was serious.
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Post by veteran on Oct 17, 2020 20:42:07 GMT
It is very disappointing that we have been unable to harvest an u20/21 title from all our recent minor successes . A mystery indeed.
We were missing a lot of quality players but so were Galway, perhaps not to the same extent. On the day , Galway were the superior side, certainly in the second half.
How good were the boys on the sideline? Going back to the Cork game , I was mystified when they played Paul O’Shea, the dominant minor midfielder in 2018 , at corner forward for the entire first half where he was as effective as a beached whale. He was switched to midfield for the second half from where he was one of the men to turn the game around, There were a few odd ones today as well. Paul Walsh taken off at half time . He had scored two glorious points . Perhaps he wasn’t getting on the ball as much as one would like but neither were one or two other forwards who had scored zilch. Brian Tylers said there was no report of an injury. Reminiscent of when Aodhan MacGearailt was taken off at half time in a Munster finial after scoring two goals. No introduction for Sean Quilter , another pivotal player in the Cork game when introduced.
While it didn’t determine the outcome , I felt the referee was kinder to Galway . Also . I felt the black card issued to Sean Keane should have been a yellow . It appeared to be a slap to the face, even though the Galway lad went down . It was not a drag down as far as I can recall. I would like to have seen it again and I was surprised it was not discussed at half time.
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Post by westgaa on Oct 17, 2020 21:18:42 GMT
Where was the Beaufort player Jack O Connor today? Surly better than some of the subs that came on.
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Post by southward on Oct 17, 2020 21:23:10 GMT
It is very disappointing that we have been unable to harvest an u20/21 title from all our recent minor successes . A mystery indeed. We were missing a lot of quality players but so were Galway, perhaps not to the same extent. On the day , Galway were the superior side, certainly in the second half. How good were the boys on the sideline? Going back to the Cork game , I was mystified when they played Paul O’Shea, the dominant minor midfielder in 2018 , at corner forward for the entire first half where he was as effective as a beached whale. He was switched to midfield for the second half from where he was one of the men to turn the game around, There were a few odd ones today as well. Paul Walsh taken off at half time . He had scored two glorious points . Perhaps he wasn’t getting on the ball as much as one would like but neither were one or two other forwards who had scored zilch. Brian Tylers said there was no report of an injury. Reminiscent of when Aodhan MacGearailt was taken off at half time in a Munster finial after scoring two goals. No introduction for Sean Quilter , another pivotal player in the Cork game when introduced. While it didn’t determine the outcome , I felt the referee was kinder to Galway . Also . I felt the black card issued to Sean Keane should have been a yellow . It appeared to be a slap to the face, even though the Galway lad went down . It was not a drag down as far as I can recall. I would like to have seen it again and I was surprised it was not discussed at half time. Galway got nine scores from frees to our two, a quite remarkable disparity. In fact they went 30 minutes without a score from play in the middle of the game, during which time I felt some very dubious decisions kept them in it. Also, a Galway player got a yellow in the last 10 minutes for an identical foul to one for which a Kerryman (Brosnan?) saw black. |
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Oct 17, 2020 21:38:08 GMT
I know a lot of what will be said about this game will be of disappointment and poor performances but I’d like to discuss some positives
Sean O Brien for me was excellent all game ... especially towards the end when ball needed to be won and runners needed to be tracked..really looks like an outstanding talent but for me he maybe best utilized at full back .. fast athletic and good defending 1 on 1. Also Dylan Casey looks a good defender also. It was a pity he got injured. The forwards bar Eddie Horan never really got moving.
The loss of Paul O Shea was significant here I felt. All in all Galway the better team but still 2 or 3 very bright prospects who will certainly go on to play senior i am sure.
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