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Post by greengold35 on Mar 5, 2020 8:11:03 GMT
Despite the cold there was a warm glow about last night leaving Austin Stack Park and not just because Kerry won - there was something fresh, unsophisticated about the game , a throwback to a time where cynicism was unknown, black cards were something advertised by American Express and short kicks out were usually mistakes - this was a " proper" game of football, where high fielding, contested kick outs, long range points were the norm, not the exception.
Great credit is due to both John Sugrue and Keith Ricken, both good football men in the way they set up their teams to win with a positive attitude not intent on defences being the stand out - a stark contrast to what we now accept as the model at senior inter county where the emphasis is on containment and all round negativity.
The referee too played his part in allowing some level of physical contact but in truth he could have left all his cards at home such was the positivity of both sides.
Kerry were the better side in the 2nd half and deserved their win and with Donal O'Sullivan to come back will be formidable opponents on St Patrick's Day for whoever emerges from Connacht - hopefully it will lead to a final and another display like we got last night.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 5, 2020 8:32:07 GMT
Hearth warming display last night. It would be great to go the distance this year. A few potential seniors in that setup.
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Post by homerj on Mar 5, 2020 8:50:42 GMT
no title since 2008 at this grade and that was the first in 10 years... in fact, 2008 was our only final also since 1999 so 1 title in 22 years needs changing, especially with 5 minors.
what would make it more ironic is this age group, was the only team out of 5 years NOT to win their all ireland as they were actually the 17s that switched ages and got to play the extra championship.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 5, 2020 8:59:10 GMT
no title since 2008 at this grade and that was the first in 10 years... in fact, 2008 was our only final also since 1999 so 1 title in 22 years needs changing, especially with 5 minors. what would make it more ironic is this age group, was the only team out of 5 years NOT to win their all ireland as they were actually the 17s that switched ages and got to play the extra championship.[/b] This team won the 5th minor in row when the age was reduced to 17! www.the42.ie/2018-all-ireland-minor-football-final-4215059-Sep2018/ |
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 5, 2020 9:30:56 GMT
Got the last 20 mins on RK.
From that bit it appreared that Sean Quilter made a significant contribution.
Can i ask about the Kerry kickouts.... were they long and 50:50
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was the emphasis on finding a Kerry player and if so how did it work out.
Kickouts were Kerrys main weakness in the past two seasons.
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Post by Dingo86 on Mar 5, 2020 10:00:49 GMT
no title since 2008 at this grade and that was the first in 10 years... in fact, 2008 was our only final also since 1999 so 1 title in 22 years needs changing, especially with 5 minors. what would make it more ironic is this age group, was the only team out of 5 years NOT to win their all ireland as they were actually the 17s that switched ages and got to play the extra championship.[/b] This team won the 5th minor in row when the age was reduced to 17! www.the42.ie/2018-all-ireland-minor-football-final-4215059-Sep2018/[/quote]That would be next years U20 team |
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 5, 2020 10:22:33 GMT
Got the last 20 mins on RK. From that bit it appreared that Sean Quilter made a significant contribution. Can i ask about the Kerry kickouts.... were they long and 50:50 or was the emphasis on finding a Kerry player and if so how did it work out. Kickouts were Kerrys main weakness in the past two seasons. Keeper kicked long for the most part - probably kicked 2 short in the 2nd half - we were winning all the kicks in the second half mainly through Paul O’Shea & Lyne to a lesser extent - Cork won a lot of ball around the middle in the first half most of which were breaks. |
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Post by buck02 on Mar 5, 2020 10:35:07 GMT
Great response after a fairly poor first half display.
A few comments I would make is that I felt Paul Walsh and Paul O Shea were both played out of position in the first half. I would like to have seen Walsh closer to goal and O Shea out the field.
I don't think I had seen the midfielder from Stacks, O Gara play before. I thought he went through a load of ball and was usually very positive with it. He hit a beautiful switch ball in front of the terrace that opened up the field for a point near the end.
Begley was outstanding. Likewise the two Cork corner forwards.
While the subs made a huge contribution I thought the management should have kept one back for later in the game. Open to correction but I think all subs were used by 50th minute. After this Quilter went off with a blood injury and two players went down with cramp. I wasn't sure if a temporary sub could be made when all subs were made but obviously it can.
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Post by oldschool on Mar 5, 2020 11:36:28 GMT
one of the best games I've seen. Kerry played beautiful football. Great fielding, great footpassing, great speed and movement. A joy to watch. Well done Kerry and played the "Kerry Way" Were we at the same game? First half was one to forget with poor football and even poorer execution of the basic skills. At half time Kerry were deservedly down by 4 with the goal being a big disappointment as the Kerry defense seemed to stop, expecting a free out and the Cork forward was left run at goal and tuck it away. Second half was a different proposition as we worked our way into the game with a few players upping their game considerably and Cork had no answers. A the game went on Kerry got stronger and stronger and took some good scores and worked well to protect their goal. Enjoyable victory against the old enemy and defending All Ireland champions. Need the second half performance for the full 60 minutes to take further honours. Agreed. First half was not fantastic. Kerry missed a great goal chance but you must admire the 2nd half display. It was football as football shold be played.The compete display. |
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Post by veteran on Mar 5, 2020 11:39:55 GMT
The Cork team who won last year's All-Ireland were exceptional. Therefore when I heard that half a dozen of them were available for last night I travelled in fear, particularly when, according to reports, Kerry were only moderate against Limerick.
There was a time when I disliked games under lights. Now, they are growing on me, perhaps because the lights seem to have improved particularly at the junction of the stand and the Mitchells end which always seemed to have been a dark spot. Of course we were blessed with the weather, perfect conditions with a frosty nip in the air and very little breeze.
The game was even enough for the first fifteen minutes or so. What was noticeable during that period was outstanding play from our defensive unit, got even better as the match progressed, and sloppy, tentative play by our forwards where some big names were not performing. On the other hand, conspicuous was the athleticism and aggression of the Cork backs, an ability to mop up most of the breaks at midfield and some excellent, direct kick passing to their forwards, who in turn were contained only by superb Kerry defending , aided by a rock of calmness and assurance in the person of goalie, Marc Kelliher from Glenflesk. Perhaps, a name for the future.
Overall there was some fine football interspersed with carelessness from both sides but in general Cork looked the better side. I suppose if one was asked to summarise the first half it would be revolve around the goal that wasn't and the goal that was. Ruaidhri O'Beaglaoich, eel like and terrier like all night in the corner, won a ball in the right corner , made tracks and crossed it to Patrick Darcy who appeared to have nothing to do but stroke it home. He shot too weakly or perhaps did not connect properly but either way the shot was smothered. That goal may well have ignited a hesitant Kerry attack but it wasn't to be. Patrick did kick two fine points. He may well be more suited to the inside line. Not so long afterwards came the goal that was which looked at the time that it could be the decisive score of the match. It resulted from one of the few mistakes made by our defence. One of them stumbled going down on a ball. A Cork player won it and got it to one of their top men, Blake Murphy. He made no mistake. Blake one of last year's heroes was much too good for the hapless Owen Fitzgerald in the corner. He had too much ability for Owen and was physically too strong for him. Owen is a small lad and might be better suited at half back. I thought management were a bit slow in rectifying that situation. Owen was replaced at half time and CHB Dylan Casey went back to the full back line where he was outstanding. Owen will have better days but perhaps not until he spends a lot of time in the gym.
Four points down at half time. Normally not an insurmountable lead but on the evidence of the first half my meagre funds would have been on Cork to prevail, maybe even convincingly. One reason for my pessimism was the poor input from the lads whom would expect to have led our charge- wing forwards Paul Walsh and KIllian Falvey and Paul O'Shea in the corner. Paul Walsh and Killian had a night when nothing went right for them and it was little surprise that they were replaced in the second half. I was surprised that management in the first half did not make a switch between the two Pauls which may have benefitted both. Speaking of Paul O'Shea , why in the name of God was this man cooped up in the corner in the first half and apparently against Limerick as well. Here we are talking about a peerless 2018 minor midfielder who was the dominant player in all those 2018 victories. I witnessed them all. The ways of selectors can be baffling. In any case he was shifted to midfield in the second half where , not surprisingly, his effortless, unhurried elegance was one of the main reasons Kerry were rampant in that period of the game. For goodness sake, when you have a priceless gem you do not lock it into a drawer. Of course this is not to say that Paul carried midfield on his own. Darragh Lyne and Michael O'Gara were noble contributors here which meant we were now dominant in that area. Dominance in that area usually means victory is yours. That is how it transpired as we outscored Cork twelve points to three in that half. Darragh was a gangly minor but has filled out and is a much more rounded player now. I had never heard of Michael O'Gara but he had a huge game, displaying limitless stamina.
Apart from giving a liberal supply to our forwards, our midfield dominance meant that the Cork forwards were starved which was just as well because in Mark Cronin and Blake murphy they had two treacherous boys in the corners. Allied to that , star minor of the past two years, Conor Corbett, came on and you do not want to be supplying him with ball.
Sean Horan started at full forward where he played a roving role with some success. In the second half he came to CHB where again I thought he was doing well but surprisingly was taken off. Maybe he picked up an injury. Most of our subs made an impact but especially Tralee CBS student, Sean Quilter. For a big lad he is quite nimble and provided a focus for the attack. Sean Keane from Listowel came on and kicked a fine point. Of course it was the slippery eel from the Gaeltacht , Ruaidhri, who was the merciless sniper up front. As always, feed your hit men generously and you will be rewarded and in fairness to the outfield lads they did feed forwards generously and smartly.
As already stated, our defence was outstanding. It is rare we say that about Kerry defences lately and it is a pleasure to be able to proclaim it now. It is invidious to pick out one but I do so to illustrate the black cat , black kit truism. I speak of wing back Sean O'Brien. He had a great duel with a worthy opponent, Jack Murphy. Sean is a son of John Brendan who was a smashing, tidy corner back for Beaufort. As far as I can recall he played with Kerry in 1991. Sean is a bigger man than Dad. I forecast a bright future.
It was a great victory, particularly after our evisceration last year, but who knows how the future will go. One can hope and expect that the likes of Paul Walsh and Killian Falvey will have a much bigger impact the next day. How wonderful it would be to have Donal O'Sullivan back as our fulcrum at FF. Sadly, a man next to me at the match said he is going to be out for a long time with this serious hamstring injury. A shame.
Finally a word of advice to management. I know it is presumptuous of me to offer same but I offer it for free! The next day , pick your best available team and pick players in their best position.
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Post by crokes86 on Mar 5, 2020 11:53:02 GMT
Great win.
Showed great heart and determination.
Still a lot to work on.
Won’t go any further if they play like that again in the first half.
Owen Fitzgerald looks promising. Tight marking typical tenacious defender that you get from a Gneeveguilla player.
Sean O’Brien used the ball well . Has a nice style about him.
Darragh Lyne and Michael O’Gara put in a good nights work. Worked hard against two strong players.
Paul O’Shea has to play Center Forward.
That’s his best position.
He’s wasted in the corner.
If they can get Donal O’Sullivan and put him in the corner.
Him Horan and O’Beaglaoich with O’Shea pulling the strings out the field would make them a more dangerous forward line .
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 5, 2020 13:12:13 GMT
Is Jack OConnor injured or just not making the panel?
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Post by homerj on Mar 5, 2020 14:44:36 GMT
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Post by peanuts on Mar 5, 2020 14:46:08 GMT
As already stated, our defence was outstanding. It is rare we say that about Kerry defences lately and it is a pleasure to be able to proclaim it now. It is invidious to pick out one but I do so to illustrate the black cat , black kit truism. I speak of wing back Sean O'Brien. He had a great duel with a worthy opponent, Jack Murphy. Sean is a son of John Brendan who was a smashing, tidy corner back for Beaufort. As far as I can recall he played with Kerry in 1991. Sean is a bigger man than Dad. I forecast a bright future. JB O'Brien was corner back on the Kerry minor team that won the AI in 1988 that included Liam Flaherty, Pa Laide and a few others. He also played a few times for the Kerry Seniors if I recall correctly. |
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Post by piggott on Mar 5, 2020 18:54:34 GMT
Are the two Mccarthy related?
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Post by peanuts on Mar 5, 2020 19:05:06 GMT
Are the two Mccarthy related? First cousins according to TG4 |
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Post by southward on Mar 5, 2020 21:23:15 GMT
Just watched it back on the TG4 player. For some reason, the sound was consistently 6 or 7 seconds ahead of the picture, which was very annoying.
Not as bad a first half as it seemed in the flesh. I feared at the time that we might be in for a long night of it but as the half went on, there was a glimmer of hope in that Cork didn't seem to have the wherewithall to drive the nail in. Huge credit to Kerry's defence here too of course.
Felt for the Cork corner back being hauled off a minute before half time. FFS, what was the point of that? - shocking call on a young lad.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Mar 5, 2020 22:43:48 GMT
Is Jack OConnor injured or just not making the panel? Just not making the panel. Is it the same with Darragh Rahilly? Does anyone know if Donal O'Sullivan has a chance of being available for the semi final in 2 weeks time? |
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 5, 2020 23:13:09 GMT
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Post by dc84 on Mar 6, 2020 7:40:28 GMT
Just got a chance to watch it there, lovely balanced team we have there, sugrue has them well drilled in fairness.
Obviously as others have said paul o shea should be at 11 and walsh at 13, highlight for me was Dylan Casey what a talent that man is a true number 6.
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Post by Jo90 on Mar 6, 2020 9:42:59 GMT
Great performance, especially in the 2nd half. Great combination of tactics, football ability, football smartness, teamwork and hunger.
For those turning 20 in 2020, they're the missing year i.e. 3 years ago they were 1 year too young for the then u-18 minor championship (although a few still made that Kerry minor team) and a year later they were a year too old for the then u-17 minor championship.
3 years ago, they did have a low profile u17 championship in which they beat Cork by 5 points (a game that had melees had half- and full-time) before going out meekly to Roscommon in the semis. One of Cork's best players of that team was Mark Keane who has gone to the AFL, so I was surprised to see that Cork were favourites.
Kerry have now won 3 out of 4 u20/u21 Munster titles, which bucked a recent trend at this level. They now need to buck the recent trend of losing semi-finals, in which they start poorly, give the opposition huge leads and then dominating but falling just short in their comeback.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 6, 2020 9:57:19 GMT
Great performance, especially in the 2nd half. Great combination of tactics, football ability, football smartness, teamwork and hunger. For those turning 20 in 2020, they're the missing year i.e. 3 years ago they were 1 year too young for the then u-18 minor championship (although a few still made that Kerry minor team) and a year later they were a year too old for the then u-17 minor championship. 3 years ago, they did have a low profile u17 championship in which they beat Cork by 5 points (a game that had melees had half- and full-time) before going out meekly to Roscommon in the semis. One of Cork's best players of that team was Mark Keane who has gone to the AFL, so I was surprised to see that Cork were favourites. Kerry have now won 3 out of 4 u20/u21 Munster titles, which bucked a recent trend at this level. They now need to buck the recent trend of losing semi-finals, in which they start poorly, give the opposition huge leads and then dominating but falling just short in their comeback. Very true although in all fairness we were hamstrung last 2 years with clifford and o shea with the seniors we should be going for 3 in a row really |
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Post by glengael on Mar 6, 2020 11:19:12 GMT
Is Jack OConnor injured or just not making the panel? Just not making the panel. Is it the same with Darragh Rahilly? Does anyone know if Donal O'Sullivan has a chance of being available for the semi final in 2 weeks time? John Sugrue stated in post-match interview on Radio Kerry that Donal O'Sullivan has a long term hamstring injury. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 17:07:10 GMT
Big win for Galway today.
Has a venue been set for the semis?
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 7, 2020 21:35:10 GMT
Big win for Galway today. Has a venue been set for the semis? Croke Park on St Patrick’s Day - both semi finals being played as a double header. |
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 7, 2020 22:05:19 GMT
I had the house to myself tonight so i lit the fire and watched the game on the TG4 player.
What an enjoyable hour and a half!
There isn't much wrong with the game when played in this spirit.
Some wonderful scores from Horan, Paul OShea, and Cronin from Cork.
OBrien at winG back can fetch a high one too!
The minor final v Galway was the best of Kerrys 5 in a row as a contest. Really marvellous match.
The semi final on St Patricks Day v Galway sets the pulses racing.
Congrats to the Kerry Management.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 7, 2020 22:06:21 GMT
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Post by egbabroad on Mar 9, 2020 14:59:48 GMT
Big win for Galway today. Has a venue been set for the semis? Croke Park on St Patrick’s Day - both semi finals being played as a double header. |
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Post by egbabroad on Mar 9, 2020 15:00:43 GMT
Will semis go ahead given the outbreak of Coronavirus?
Lots of other sporting events being cancelled/postponed
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Post by Jo90 on Mar 9, 2020 16:38:00 GMT
Will semis go ahead given the outbreak of Coronavirus? Lots of other sporting events being cancelled/postponed It should still go ahead but might be taken out of Croke Park as a standalone fixture. And worst case scenario, behind closed doors. Galway and Kerry aren't renowned for huge support. |
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