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Post by homerj on Nov 11, 2019 15:43:22 GMT
Its a pity that two of these are forwards, where our need is not greatest. hmmm, i dont know....i think our forward line options need freshening up next year. we have 4 top class forwards, the other two spots are up for grabs.
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 11, 2019 15:50:00 GMT
On the Crokes front all the following were part of the five-in-a-row squads.
Gavin White Michael Potts Jack Griffin David Naughton David Shaw Gavin White
The following were part of the 2018 and 2019 minors so will be coming through in time. Michael Lenihan Terry Sparling Jason Kerins
So while there will be surely some retirements from Crokes before too long, it's not as if the production line has been turned off.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Nov 11, 2019 16:08:14 GMT
On the Crokes front all the following were part of the five-in-a-row squads. Gavin White Michael Potts Jack Griffin David Naughton David Shaw Gavin White The following were part of the 2018 and 2019 minors so will be coming through in time. Michael Lenihan Terry Sparling Jason Kerins So while there will be surely some retirements from Crokes before too long, it's not as if the production line has been turned off. Jordan Kiely?
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Post by yellowbelly on Nov 11, 2019 16:52:13 GMT
On the Crokes front all the following were part of the five-in-a-row squads. Gavin White Michael Potts Jack Griffin David Naughton David Shaw Gavin White The following were part of the 2018 and 2019 minors so will be coming through in time. Michael Lenihan Terry Sparling Jason Kerins So while there will be surely some retirements from Crokes before too long, it's not as if the production line has been turned off. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr_Crokes_GAAMicheal Burns 2014 Jordan Kiely 2014 Aaron Murphy 2014 Gavin White 2015 Billy Courtney 2015, 2016 David Shaw 2015, 2016 David Naughton 2016, Michael Potts 2016, 2017 Jack Griffin 2017 Nelu Doherty 2017 Mark Cooper 2018 Michael Lenihan 2018
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Post by southward on Nov 11, 2019 19:40:32 GMT
All-in-all it's been a really good, competitive Co Championship this year, topped by a most enjoyable finale. The emergence of so many highly developed young players from the recent underage Kerry sides has really lifted the standard while the presence of the likes of Clifford, Brosnan and Tommy Walsh helps to spike the interest of the public. Great to see following a few dull years.
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Post by piggott on Nov 11, 2019 21:01:17 GMT
With the Kerry formula, Players from All 63 football Clubs have a chance of winning a County Senior Championship medal.Eight clubs are deemed strong enough to compete on their own, the other eight are made up of combinations of clubs from the remaining 55 Clubs ie Divisions. This has worked well for Kerry.
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Post by yellowbelly on Nov 11, 2019 21:33:18 GMT
With the Kerry formula, Players from All 63 football Clubs have a chance of winning a County Senior Championship medal.Eight clubs are deemed strong enough to compete on their own, the other eight are made up of combinations of clubs from the remaining 55 Clubs ie Divisions. This has worked well for Kerry. That's a good theory, but I would say not a single one of the Senior Clubs or their supporters would agree with you.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 11, 2019 21:50:42 GMT
With the Kerry formula, Players from All 63 football Clubs have a chance of winning a County Senior Championship medal.Eight clubs are deemed strong enough to compete on their own, the other eight are made up of combinations of clubs from the remaining 55 Clubs ie Divisions. This has worked well for Kerry. That's a good theory, but I would say not a single one of the Senior Clubs or their supporters would agree with you. That it has not worked well for Kerry as in the county team?
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Post by hurlingman on Nov 12, 2019 8:56:23 GMT
With the Kerry formula, Players from All 63 football Clubs have a chance of winning a County Senior Championship medal.Eight clubs are deemed strong enough to compete on their own, the other eight are made up of combinations of clubs from the remaining 55 Clubs ie Divisions. This has worked well for Kerry. That's a good theory, but I would say not a single one of the Senior Clubs or their supporters would agree with you. They've had no complants for the last 100 plus years
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 12, 2019 9:36:19 GMT
All-in-all it's been a really good, competitive Co Championship this year, topped by a most enjoyable finale. The emergence of so many highly developed young players from the recent underage Kerry sides has really lifted the standard while the presence of the likes of Clifford, Brosnan and Tommy Walsh helps to spike the interest of the public. Great to see following a few dull years. I agree it has been a good competitive championship but wonder if the demands being made of the players are becoming too great? The schedule is intense with little or no time for recovery - Crokes in a way have been the victim of their own successes but having to play 4 knock out games in 4 weeks with extra time thrown in in the semi final may have been a bridge too far for them - no denying EK were worthy winners but think mental fatigue was a factor for the Crokes last Sunday; unfortunately there's no easy fix for the county board given the inter county schedule but again the club player is suffering given the lack of real competitive games during the summer with the absence of so many players. The other negative for me is the continuing demise of North Kerry football - Feale Rangers were eliminated in the preliminary round and though Shannon Rangers recorded a win in Templenoe they were well beaten in round 3 by St Brendans. There would not seem to be any immediate upswing in their fortunes either with the continued poor showing of their schools at 2nd level - no impact from Tarbert or St Michaels - the most recent defeat of St Michaels by St Augustines of Dungarvan in Munster C competition ( 9-15 to 1-07) is an embarrassment for a school whose primary sport is football - contrast that to the performances of the likes of SP Sliabh Luachra, PCD, Colaiste na Sceilige, ISK down through the years all of whom have been playing at the highest level - Tralee CBS too along with the Sem - of the two teams competing last Sunday over 50 were involved with the Sem in the past few years. It was revealing to witness Jer Brosnan play for the Green on Sunday , travelling from Moyvane daily to school. Under age successes are the building blocks of the future - EK had four AI minor winners starting in their defence on Sunday - all now 23 or less; they also have Hogan Cup medals to their names so it was inevitable that they would come good at some stage. Much to ponder, EK will be favourites to retain their title next year and they complete the grand slam of minor, U-21 and senior for this year - add Rathmore to the mix next year and there will probably be claims that they should be split in 2!
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Post by diego on Nov 12, 2019 9:38:24 GMT
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 12, 2019 11:05:09 GMT
Watched the highlights again and just reaffirms what I thought at the weekend, that row that Crokes tried to start after Clifford's goal was just idiotic and the resultant red card killed their chances. Because they were looking to double mark Clifford they had to more or less give up on pressing the short kick outs which EK kept getting away and building attacks from. The EK red card would have allowed them to do both and turn it into more of a midfield contest which I think Buckley would have won. They were 7 down but had about 25 to play and it was doable as a high press with a finisher like Brosnan meant that if EK did keep going short that Crokes would have some serious goal chances presented to them. Its fairly obvious but Clifford's control and grace on the ball is phenomenal - he doesnt ever seem to be sprinting, he just glides along.
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Post by buck02 on Nov 12, 2019 11:43:43 GMT
All-in-all it's been a really good, competitive Co Championship this year, topped by a most enjoyable finale. The emergence of so many highly developed young players from the recent underage Kerry sides has really lifted the standard while the presence of the likes of Clifford, Brosnan and Tommy Walsh helps to spike the interest of the public. Great to see following a few dull years. I agree it has been a good competitive championship but wonder if the demands being made of the players are becoming too great? The schedule is intense with little or no time for recovery - Crokes in a way have been the victim of their own successes but having to play 4 knock out games in 4 weeks with extra time thrown in in the semi final may have been a bridge too far for them - no denying EK were worthy winners but think mental fatigue was a factor for the Crokes last Sunday; unfortunately there's no easy fix for the county board given the inter county schedule but again the club player is suffering given the lack of real competitive games during the summer with the absence of so many players. The other negative for me is the continuing demise of North Kerry football - Feale Rangers were eliminated in the preliminary round and though Shannon Rangers recorded a win in Templenoe they were well beaten in round 3 by St Brendans.
There would not seem to be any immediate upswing in their fortunes either with the continued poor showing of their schools at 2nd level - no impact from Tarbert or St Michaels - the most recent defeat of St Michaels by St Augustines of Dungarvan in Munster C competition ( 9-15 to 1-07) is an embarrassment for a school whose primary sport is football - contrast that to the performances of the likes of SP Sliabh Luachra, PCD, Colaiste na Sceilige, ISK down through the years all of whom have been playing at the highest level - Tralee CBS too along with the Sem - of the two teams competing last Sunday over 50 were involved with the Sem in the past few years. It was revealing to witness Jer Brosnan play for the Green on Sunday , travelling from Moyvane daily to school. Under age successes are the building blocks of the future - EK had four AI minor winners starting in their defence on Sunday - all now 23 or less; they also have Hogan Cup medals to their names so it was inevitable that they would come good at some stage. Much to ponder, EK will be favourites to retain their title next year and they complete the grand slam of minor, U-21 and senior for this year - add Rathmore to the mix next year and there will probably be claims that they should be split in 2! Feale Rangers won the Under 14 county championship last year so hopefully they can make an impact on the Under 16 and minor competitions in years to come. On your broader point, I wonder do the county board have any plans to help improve standards in North Kerry? Playing numbers are probably very similar to South Kerry clubs. The advantage that the SK clubs have at underage level (which then follows on to the Divisional county championship team) is that more or less all these boys will play schools football together. Looking at the number of schools spread across North Kerry you have the 10 or so clubs with players going to school in Tralee, Castleisland, Abbeyfeale, Listowel, Ballybunion, Tarbert and Causeway. Maybe the "north Kerry" schools could amalgamate to compete in the Kerry Colleges A competitions (I doubt they would be allowed to compete at Munster level but leave the individual schools compete in Munster competitions at B, C and D levels). There is also the argument to amalgamate Feale Rangers and Shannon Rangers at Under 21 and Senior levels which is maybe something that could be trialled on a 2 or 3 year basis to see how it goes.
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Post by piggott on Nov 12, 2019 12:29:28 GMT
When did North Kerry last compete as one team in County Championship?
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 12, 2019 13:17:23 GMT
When did North Kerry last compete as one team in County Championship? I would say in the 1930s - Shannon Rangers were founded in 1940 winning their first county championship in ‘42 - don’t think there has been a NK team since.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 12, 2019 14:06:25 GMT
When did North Kerry last compete as one team in County Championship? nearly sure that was at a NK v SK final in the 70s.
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Post by dc84 on Nov 12, 2019 14:08:18 GMT
Would there be a case for two east kerry teams at the moment ? one with rathmore,glenflesk,gneeveguilla headford and the remnants of kenmare district, kilgarvan and tousist? It would just tske the place of kenmare district keeping the 8/8 split give more players a chance to play senior and be a decent fit geographically?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 12, 2019 14:48:08 GMT
When did North Kerry last compete as one team in County Championship? I would say in the 1930s - Shannon Rangers were founded in 1940 winning their first county championship in ‘42 - don’t think there has been a NK team since. This suggests you are correct: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_Senior_Football_Championship
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Post by mandad on Nov 12, 2019 15:23:57 GMT
There was another Divisional team, St Vincent’s, in North Kerry between 1964 and 1970 that was made up of Listowel and a few other clubs. Feale Rangers broke up around the same time and as far as I can recall a few of the Feale Rangers clubs, Duagh & Ballydonoghue, joined up with Shannon Ranger. St. Vincent’s had no success and in 1971 Feale Rangers were re- constituted. I think its time the shuffle the deck again.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 12, 2019 15:55:49 GMT
I wonder can Veteran shed any light on this. I was sure a team called NK played in the 70s.... but it looks like not in a final. Feale rangers and shannon rangers met in the 1977 final. I remember that one.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 12, 2019 16:29:18 GMT
All-in-all it's been a really good, competitive Co Championship this year, topped by a most enjoyable finale. The emergence of so many highly developed young players from the recent underage Kerry sides has really lifted the standard while the presence of the likes of Clifford, Brosnan and Tommy Walsh helps to spike the interest of the public. Great to see following a few dull years. I agree it has been a good competitive championship but wonder if the demands being made of the players are becoming too great? The schedule is intense with little or no time for recovery - Crokes in a way have been the victim of their own successes but having to play 4 knock out games in 4 weeks with extra time thrown in in the semi final may have been a bridge too far for them - no denying EK were worthy winners but think mental fatigue was a factor for the Crokes last Sunday; unfortunately there's no easy fix for the county board given the inter county schedule but again the club player is suffering given the lack of real competitive games during the summer with the absence of so many players. The other negative for me is the continuing demise of North Kerry football - Feale Rangers were eliminated in the preliminary round and though Shannon Rangers recorded a win in Templenoe they were well beaten in round 3 by St Brendans. There would not seem to be any immediate upswing in their fortunes either with the continued poor showing of their schools at 2nd level - no impact from Tarbert or St Michaels - the most recent defeat of St Michaels by St Augustines of Dungarvan in Munster C competition ( 9-15 to 1-07) is an embarrassment for a school whose primary sport is football - contrast that to the performances of the likes of SP Sliabh Luachra, PCD, Colaiste na Sceilige, ISK down through the years all of whom have been playing at the highest level - Tralee CBS too along with the Sem - of the two teams competing last Sunday over 50 were involved with the Sem in the past few years. It was revealing to witness Jer Brosnan play for the Green on Sunday , travelling from Moyvane daily to school. Under age successes are the building blocks of the future - EK had four AI minor winners starting in their defence on Sunday - all now 23 or less; they also have Hogan Cup medals to their names so it was inevitable that they would come good at some stage. Much to ponder, EK will be favourites to retain their title next year and they complete the grand slam of minor, U-21 and senior for this year - add Rathmore to the mix next year and there will probably be claims that they should be split in 2! The Sem must be playing a huge role here I'd imagine? In relation to the county players, I'd imagine they are probably conditioning already for next year? What ever about the club players the intercounty treadmill in Kerry is relentless for the county players. Kerry are my tip to win Sam in 2020.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 12, 2019 16:35:21 GMT
That's a good theory, but I would say not a single one of the Senior Clubs or their supporters would agree with you. They've had no complants for the last 100 plus years The district concept is sublime in Kerry. Counties around the country are missing a trick big time by not going down the district route with their local senior championships.
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Post by veteran on Nov 12, 2019 17:25:33 GMT
I am a little hazy about the history of Feale Rangers/Shannon Rangers. A complicating factor would be that the name Shannon Rangers did not always refer to the clubs currently playing under that banner. Indeed , at one stage it may have referred to all the clubs in the division. Also , I have a vague memory of it being used by an Asdee/Ballylongford combination in the time of Ogie Moran but not sure.
Certainly in the late fifties/early sixties there was just one team for the area, called either Feale Rangers or perhaps just North Kerry. I remember that because they had some memorable clashes with the incomparable John Mitchells, usually losing. There was a competition back then called the Kerryman Shield. I am not sure if that was a once off competition or not. In any case I remember the final being played in Listowel between the Mitchells and Feale Rangers /North Kerry in the early to mid sixties. Feale Rangers may have won that one but certainly that was an example of North Kerry beIng represented by one team.
Mandad refers to a North Kerry team called St. Vincent’s . I have no memory of that team but I was living outside the area at that team with no car so my visits back for club matches were rare. The state of football in the area currently is appalling. The score quoted here in the St. Michaels College match is shocking, a college with Johnny Mulvihill and Liam Hassett.
The North Kerry administrators would do well to drive to the East Kerry barony and study their template.
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Post by mandad on Nov 12, 2019 17:41:55 GMT
Here-under are a few excerpts copied from the Feale Rangers History:-
"The Feale Rangers are mentioned for the first time in the annals of the county championship back in 1956 when representing all of North Kerry, following the joining of the two North Kerry teams, namely North Kerry and Shannon Rangers. This new team of Feale Rangers, contested the Co. finals of 1959 and 1962, -- defeat being their lot on each occasions following replays, and following defeat to John Mitchell's in semi final of '63, North Kerry once again reverted to two teams, namely St. Vincent's and Shannon Rangers
While Shannon Rangers became county champions in 1964, won again in '72 and lost the finals of 1971 and 1974, St. Vincent's struggled to make any impact in the championship and in 1971 they were renamed Feale Rangers, this grouping being the fore runner of today's team.
Between 1977 and 1985, Feale Rangers contested six senior finals, winning two, and won two minor finals as well. Though they contested and lost the '77 final to neighbours Shannon Rangers, the breakthrough arrived the following year 1978, when the Feale Rangers won their first senior title, defeating Mid Kerry, 0 - 8 to 0 - 3, thus ending the drought of 89 years.
Sadly this was Feale Rangers last success in the senior championship until 2007, even though they contested the County finals of 1982, '83, '85 and again in 1999"
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Post by veteran on Nov 12, 2019 20:13:57 GMT
Here-under are a few excerpts copied from the Feale Rangers History:- "The Feale Rangers are mentioned for the first time in the annals of the county championship back in 1956 when representing all of North Kerry, following the joining of the two North Kerry teams, namely North Kerry and Shannon Rangers. This new team of Feale Rangers, contested the Co. finals of 1959 and 1962, -- defeat being their lot on each occasions following replays, and following defeat to John Mitchell's in semi final of '63, North Kerry once again reverted to two teams, namely St. Vincent's and Shannon Rangers While Shannon Rangers became county champions in 1964, won again in '72 and lost the finals of 1971 and 1974, St. Vincent's struggled to make any impact in the championship and in 1971 they were renamed Feale Rangers, this grouping being the fore runner of today's team. Between 1977 and 1985, Feale Rangers contested six senior finals, winning two, and won two minor finals as well. Though they contested and lost the '77 final to neighbours Shannon Rangers, the breakthrough arrived the following year 1978, when the Feale Rangers won their first senior title, defeating Mid Kerry, 0 - 8 to 0 - 3, thus ending the drought of 89 years. Sadly this was Feale Rangers last success in the senior championship until 2007, even though they contested the County finals of 1982, '83, '85 and again in 1999" Mandad, thanks for that interesting, enlightening, contribution . Do you remember that Kerryman Shield competition?
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Post by ballhopper34 on Nov 12, 2019 20:25:15 GMT
A Pat O'Shea from Tralee who used to work at The Kerryman put together an excellent book on the Kerry County Championships from 1889 to 1998 called "Face the Ball". I've seen it in Killarney Library, so I'm sure it's in Tralee as well.
From his book, I can put the following together from 1940-1970:
Shannon Rangers: debut 1941, won title 1942, did not compete 1956-1963.
Feale Rangers: 1956-1963, St. Vincent's took their place 1964-1970 (losing to 1968 semi-final to Waterville), Feale Rangers back 1971.
North Kerry : appeared until 1942, out 1943 and 1944, last appearance was 1955 (note Feale Rangers appeared first in 1956).
Army team entered in 1944 and 1945 only.
Listowel in championship 1951-1954...noted the name Listowel Geraldines listed for 1954. A team called just "Geraldines" appears in 1947, which may or may not be the same.
St. Brendan's in 1950-1967, back in 1972.
East Kerry first appeared 1957.
There are some names that appear, such as Eoghan Ruadhs in 1956, that give no clue as to what clubs make up the side. Indeed, The major disclaimer is that what clubs made up any divisional side is not clear either.
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Post by tpo on Nov 12, 2019 20:37:24 GMT
at what stage id Dara Moynihan's injury ?
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 12, 2019 20:42:47 GMT
What would happen if KOR and Stacks dropped to intermediate?
Would they plus Mitchells and na Gaeil represent Tralee?
Assuming all four are intermediate.
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Post by hurlingman on Nov 12, 2019 20:58:58 GMT
A Pat O'Shea from Tralee who used to work at The Kerryman put together an excellent book on the Kerry County Championships from 1889 to 1998 called "Face the Ball". I've seen it in Killarney Library, so I'm sure it's in Tralee as well. From his book, I can put the following together from 1940-1970: Shannon Rangers: debut 1941, won title 1942, did not compete 1956-1963. Feale Rangers: 1956-1963, St. Vincent's took their place 1964-1970 (losing to 1968 semi-final to Waterville), Feale Rangers back 1971. North Kerry : appeared until 1942, out 1943 and 1944, last appearance was 1955 (note Feale Rangers appeared first in 1956). Army team entered in 1944 and 1945 only. Listowel in championship 1951-1954...noted the name Listowel Geraldines listed for 1954. A team called just "Geraldines" appears in 1947, which may or may not be the same. St. Brendan's in 1950-1967, back in 1972. East Kerry first appeared 1957. There are some names that appear, such as Eoghan Ruadhs in 1956, that give no clue as to what clubs make up the side. Indeed, The major disclaimer is that what clubs made up any divisional side is not clear either. I would thik Eoghan Ruadhs are Rathmore, Glenflisk and Gneeveguilla? They used to play at Under 14 and 16 in the county championship. In the 80's there ertr teams called Clanna Gael, Gweestin Rovers, Fanaithe na Luachra and an Fianna were thse divisional teams? There also seemed to be two South Kerry divisions in the 70's Iveragh and Southern Gaels.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 21:14:27 GMT
They've had no complants for the last 100 plus years The district concept is sublime in Kerry. Counties around the country are missing a trick big time by not going down the district route with their local senior championships. I agree albeit it is not something that would work easily in lots of counties. For example while the provincial structure has worked well for Irish rugby, results have been mixed when the Welsh and Scottish tried to adopt a similar approach
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