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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 10, 2019 20:12:32 GMT
Wtf were the crokes lads at trying to start a row after Cliffords goal?
Pointless nonsense and cost them a man- Mike moloney was lucky to stay on as long as he did aswell- he seems to have been given the Philly instruction of foul, try to start rows and get in a few cheap shots on Clifford!
It’s sad after nearly every game but refs/umpires need to crack down on this
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 10, 2019 20:21:58 GMT
Outsider here. Would someone be able able to explain the Kerry championship to me? How can it be fair for East Kerry to field a team comprising potentially the best from a handful of clubs to play Dr Crokes? If you didn't have the Divisional teams in the county championship, you wouldn't have David Clifford playing senior county championship. I'd say you'd be hard-pressed to find too many who were among the eight thousand in Austin Stack Park who would think that changing the current structure to a situation where David Clifford wouldn't be playing senior county championship would be an improvement. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Kerry_Senior_Football_Championship
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Post by hurlingman on Nov 10, 2019 20:40:36 GMT
Outsider here. Would someone be able able to explain the Kerry championship to me? How can it be fair for East Kerry to field a team comprising potentially the best from a handful of clubs to play Dr Crokes? It's been going on for pretty much the whole history of the county championship and it's never been an issue. It only seems to be one for people outside of Kerry
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Post by homerj on Nov 10, 2019 20:59:34 GMT
clifford for captain now, youd imagine.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 10, 2019 21:05:51 GMT
clifford for captain now, youd imagine. Shows the absurdity of that rule. David should not have that burden on top of the pressure he's already under.
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Post by A.N. Other on Nov 10, 2019 21:10:08 GMT
Coffee was o/s against Dingle but was anything but against E Kerry. Great pace and aggression but gets brain freeze against top teams (turnovers). If its about bridging the gap to Dublin, probably not the answer. Coffey marked Darragh Roche vs EK & held him to one point from play over 80 mins in an unfamiliar corner back role - maybe not as good as he was against Dingle but still above average - also was very good in opening game vs Kenmare. Kept Stephen O Brien and Michael Geaney quiet in the first two games and outscored them. KOR corner back gets injured in the warm up against East Kerry and he goes in the corner and keeps Dara Roche who will make team of the year to a point from play.
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Post by southward on Nov 10, 2019 21:11:24 GMT
Thoroughly enjoyable afternoon at ASP. Though the game didn't exactly go to the wire, the standard was excellent throughout and much of the scoretaking sublime. Anyone complaining that €20 was excessive for today doesn't know they're born.
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Post by bannerman on Nov 10, 2019 21:13:01 GMT
The team that goes furthest in east kerry senior championship out of the six teams that represented east kerry today will pick captain That how it works with south kerry anyway
From looking at draw that be Spa or Gneveguilla
So I be thinking dara moynihan captain??
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 10, 2019 21:36:46 GMT
People go to the theatre all the time and watch The Field, Sive etc etc despite knowing exactly what is going to happen. I see no difference between that and watching a game after its well over. Anyway, no more from me on this Take a break man, we're agreeing apart from your notion that we shouldn't watch live games! Take a look at Clifford here folks, www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kerry-sfc-final-east-kerry-end-dr-crokes-run-to-take-first-title-in-20-years-1.4078555 If that propulsion is from a standing start it is in that Seanie Walsh v Brian Mullins league and David celebrating as opposed to fielding - ah 30 years is a while and 'tis all good, even watching it years later mickomack! We have all seen some fielding, how far do their feet get from the ground? I think I saw Moran pretty high v Dubs?
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Post by fivenarow on Nov 10, 2019 21:58:39 GMT
The Crokes missed the big guns big time today, they just didn’t seem to have the firepower of old that gas been there for years. Fair play to east kerry, they were fitter, stronger & had the players to finish the job. Once Cliffords goal went in the Crokes were a spent force & started to go overboard on the physical stuff which gave Brendan Griffin no other option but to send someone off, IMO mark o shea was unlucky as he was on a yellow & the ref could have picked out another 6 with the fellows that got booked. Pa Warren was unlucky too, both tackles were high but not very serious in fairness but the rules are there for a reason. The main difference in the teams was David Clifford, the man is unmark-able at the moment, Paudie also had a good game as had Chris o Donoghue, Jack sherwood , o Mahony, Kearney & Evan Cronin. Darragh Roche was quiet enough today but had a great championship overall. East kerry could be around for a while plus they have Rathmore on board as well next year. It’s the end of an era for a few Crokes lads, they’ve had a good innings & it will be interesting to see if they have the firepower coming through but it’s hard to replace the likes of gooch, Eoin Brosnan & a few of the older lads who just don’t seem to have it in the legs anymore. Tony Brosnan was always a threat but he was ploughing a lone furrow at times, he kicked a few sublime points in the first half that were top drawer, surely the Kerry selectors will have a look at him for the league.
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Post by mitchelsontour on Nov 10, 2019 22:12:49 GMT
Outsider here. Would someone be able able to explain the Kerry championship to me? How can it be fair for East Kerry to field a team comprising potentially the best from a handful of clubs to play Dr Crokes? www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/explainer-the-great-labyrinth-that-is-the-kerry-senior-championship-38674313.htmlThe following explainer should really be pieced together using Venn diagrams and shaded maps, such are the labyrinth of interwoven layers and overlaps that constitute the unique Kerry senior football championship. To understand it, you really have to live it. Thus, those of us from outside can struggle to understand the intricacies of clubs, divisions and clubs within those divisions that align with different amalgamations. From time to time other counties will study Kerry’s tangled web and come to the conclusion that it can serve them well too, improve their standards just as it has driven Kerry standards over many years. Until they try to spin it in their own ecosystem. District teams don’t seem to cut it anywhere else, with the exception of Cork. Like stonework, some are just held together by time and it endures. Kerry’s primary competition is the senior football championship which concludes tomorrow when reigning champions Dr Crokes play East Kerry in Tralee. But they also have an eight-team senior club championship – complemented by intermediate, junior and novice championships – which, as the title suggests, is for clubs only and is concluded prior to the inter-county championships. Austin Stacks won that and, if Crokes fail to defend their title, will represent Kerry in the Munster club championship. With just eight teams in its senior club championship, it makes the standard of Kerry intermediate football stronger than any other counties, many of whom have double the number of senior clubs. And, consequently, Kerry clubs have the strongest hand in the All-Ireland intermediate and junior club championships. All eight senior clubs also participate in the senior football championship in the autumn. There they are joined by nine district teams or amalgamations made up of the remaining teams outside the senior clubs that compete in their own right. Kerry football is divided into eight district boards – East, West, Mid, South, North, Tralee, St Brendan’s and Kenmare District. It’s here that it gets really complicated for the outsider. The South Kerry division has nine teams – St Michael’s Foilmore, St Mary’s Cahirsiveen, Dromid Pearses, Renard, Skellig Rangers, Valentia, Waterville, Sneem and Derrynane. As none currently have senior status, the South Kerry team can draw from all nine. The West Kerry division caters for five clubs – An Ghaeltacht, Lispole, Dingle, Castlegregory and Annascaul, but as Dingle have senior status, representing West Kerry this year fell to the other four. North Kerry has 15 clubs in its jurisdiction but they spread out to play with three different teams in the Kerry SFC, Feale Rangers, Shannon Rangers and St Kieran’s. Feale Rangers draw from Listowel, Finuge, Duagh, St Senan’s, Moyvane and Clounmacon, while Shannon Rangers are served by Tarbert, Ballydonoghue, Asdee, Beale, Ballylongford and Ballyduff. Three more ‘north’ clubs – Castleisland, Knocknagoshel and Brosna – play with St Kieran’s, an amalgamation that crosses three divisions for the purpose of fielding another senior championship team in the north-east of the county. Ballymacelligott are Tralee District and Scartaglen, Currow and Cordal are ‘east’ but play senior football under the St Kieran’s banner. The Tralee District also contains clubs like Ballymacelligott, Kerins O’Rahillys, Austin Stacks and John Mitchels, but as Stacks and O’Rahillys are senior clubs, and Ballymac’ play with St Kieran’s, John Mitchels link up with St Brendan’s, another divisional team which also draws from Na Gaeil, St Pat’s Blennerville, Ardfert and Churchill, all from the Tralee area. East Kerry has 13 clubs but with three already ‘seconded’ to St Kieran’s and Killarney Legion, Dr Crokes, Kilcummin and Rathmore being senior clubs in 2019, the East Kerry team has been left to Firies, Fossa, Spa, Glenflesk, Gneeveguilla and Listry. With Rathmore relegated, the likes of Paul Murphy and Shane Ryan will really strengthen East Kerry’s hand in 2020. The Mid Kerry division draws from Beaufort, Cromane, Glenbeigh-Glencar, Keel, Laune Rangers, Milltown/Castlemaine. Further south, Kenmare District comprises Kenmare Shamrocks, Templenoe, Kilgarvan and Tuosist but with Shamrocks and Templenoe both senior in 2020, it will weaken their hand. There are plans for all four clubs to disperse to other districts for competitive purposes in 2020. For those who live it, it makes perfect sense and provides a games programme that no other county can match and a pathway for every player in every club to win a Kerry county senior medal.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Nov 10, 2019 22:31:03 GMT
Has Paudie Clifford ever played minor or u21 for Kerry. What age is he. He seemed to set the tempo from the get go today No he hasn't. I wonder what was the story there? His last year minor was in 2014 I think.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Nov 10, 2019 22:36:14 GMT
My team of the championship:
Eoghan O'Brien Niall Donohue Jack Sherwood Cormac Coffey Dan McCarthy Gavin White Brandon Barrett Liam Kearney Bryan Sheehan Diarmuid O'Connor Sean O'Shea Paudie Clifford David Clifford Dara Roche Tony Brosnan
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Post by Kingdomson on Nov 10, 2019 22:43:07 GMT
clifford for captain now, youd imagine. Well I hope David Clifford does become captain because his the exception to the unwritten rule and already a talismanic figure for Kerry football. Like Michael Murphy for Donegal who wasn't past 20 (19 i think?) when he became captain of Donegal - David Clifford would be well able for the role of Kerry captain and indeed relish it - have no fear of that fella.
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Post by homerj on Nov 10, 2019 22:45:16 GMT
My team of the championship: Eoghan O'Brien Niall Donohue Jack Sherwood Cormac Coffey Dan McCarthy Gavin White Brandon Barrett Liam Kearney Bryan Sheehan Diarmuid O'Connor Sean O'Shea Paudie Clifford David Clifford Dara Roche Tony Brosnan and only 5 of them got Kerry Senior game time this year..... is Liam Kearney worth a look? has he been training with the extended panel this year?
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Post by Kingdomson on Nov 10, 2019 22:50:44 GMT
clifford for captain now, youd imagine. Shows the absurdity of that rule. David should not have that burden on top of the pressure he's already under. Normally I would agree with this sentiment for a young player but not in the case of David Clifford. We're talking about an exceptional player, a phenomenon, and already a leader of Kerry and hopefully for years to come with good health allowing. I compared earlier this case to Michael Murphy who was made captain of Donegal while still a teenager and Murphy is a great gaelic footballer but David Clifford is even better than Murphy at that age and that's saying something - I've never seen anything like him and his our leader now so get used to it.
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Post by homerj on Nov 10, 2019 22:54:29 GMT
how many of that east kerry ~21 that played today, were part of teams that won all ireland minors over last 5 years?
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Post by veteran on Nov 10, 2019 22:57:18 GMT
East Kerry 2-14 Dr. Crokes 1-7 HT 0-8 0-5
Those who stayed at home were lucky and unlucky. They were lucky to avoid the first half bone numbing cold which was compounded by the relentless downpour which fell all through the second half. They were unlucky in that they missed an exhilarating game, particularly in the first half, and in spite of the fact that Crokes were submerged in the second half interest never waned because of the sparkling football exhibited by East Kerry and because of the air of expectancy surrounding the kid wearing the number thirteen red jersey.
Perusing the match programme before the match I calculated that five of the Crokes defenders riddled by Corofin earlier in the in year were still in the saddle. Astute Crokes followers must have had a feeling of foreboding on realising that fact. Shane Courtney did not line out at full back for East Kerry with Mike Foley from Spa starting. It is not the first time that Mike has played the role of significant sub and significant he was again today, scoring three first half points.
East Kerry started sprightly scoring the first three points ,if my rain soaked match programme can be relied on, two of those coming from the aforementioned Mike and the other from ? Paudie Clifford. They were all fine, booming scores. However, Crokes were not to be outdone. They had this fellow called Tony Brosnan, another young fellow wearing number thirteen. He scored two stupendous points from different sides of the field. He got three from play in that half and looked every inch the artist we have been told about. Sadly for him , the supply dried up in the second half but he was still a menace and cracked one against the post in that half. We will surely see him on a grander stage in 2020.
A noteworthy feature of the early stages was a few superb catches by Johnny Buckley. At that juncture it looked as if East Kerry might struggle there but gradually Liam Kearney asserted himself and he was the dominant figure at midfield over the hour. This is another man who has impressed me in the championship and who should get a few runs in the NFL.
I was in the midst of East Kerry followers and while overall they were happy with the way things were going they rightly were bemoaning the lack of ball going in to David Clifford, something that was rectified in the second half. However, the kid did profitably get involved midway through the half. He burst out to collect, sliced between two defenders, feinted as if he was going to make tracks but checked and zoomed it over. Gasps from the crowd. A hint of what might happen if reasonable service could be provided. His sibling, however, was not dependent on any service. From flag drop, he dived head long into the game, nominally on the forty but essentially where he was needed, irrepressible to the end and was my man of the match. Gavin White could not cope. Paudie, like some others mentioned, will be receiving a phone call from Peter Keane.
East Kerry played with a stiff breeze in the first half but, to the chagrin of Crokes, it died in the second half presumably dampened by the torrents of rain. Early in that second half Pa Warren got a second yellow, deserved for a high tackle but his first , in the earlier half, was ludicrous. That could have been fatal but very soon the kid got involved, intervening at the end of a movement he unleashed a bolt of lightning. A further calamity was about to befall the champions. After a melee, no idea why it started, coming immediately after David's goal, Mark O'Shea got a second yellow. Equal numbers now, one felt the day was going to belong to East Kerry. My thoughts exactly says the kid, as he pounces again, this time setting up Darragh Roche for a goal. Buona Sera Mrs. Campbell. Gavin White got a consolation goal for the Crokes but they could make no progress against a water tight East Kerry defence in that second half where Jack Sherwood, Chris and Dan O'Donoghue were in control.
Towards the end , the kid rounded Mike Moloney once more which earned Mike his second yellow. If David Gough had been in charge the loyal, long serving Mike would have got this second yellow much earlier for off the ball holding. As the game drew to a close I paddled my way to behind the Horan's goal where I witnessed young David give Darragh Roche an earful for not passing when the kid was in on goal. Issue decided but still hungry.
Evan Cronin kicked three or four points for East Kerry. He is a neat operator.
It is always sad to see great champions beaten, especially when that beating borders on humiliation. Shane Murphy and Tony Brosnan aside, it is difficult to single out Crokes players who reached anything approaching their lofty standards. Sadder still, one wonders have we seen the last of Kieran O'Leary, one of the best club players of his era, Mke Moloney, Johnny Buckley, Daithi Casey? If that is to be the case, all one can do is thank them for consistently, outstanding performances and wish them well for the future.
P.S. I saw most of the u15 match between Tralee CBS and St. Brendans and simply marvelled at the standard of football. Tralee won by about two goals but St. Brendans had two penalties saved. Both teams had a liberal sprinkling of outstanding performers and it augurs well for the Kerry minors in the not too distant future.
I was intrigued by the name of one CBS player. He was listed on the programme as Jeremiah Brosnan from Moyvane. I am not sure why a boy from Moyvane would go all the way to Tralee for his secondary education, bypassing Tarbert, Listowel and Causeway. None of my business of course but an interesting tale nevertheless. He was posted on the forty and a busy, elusive , talented merchant he was . With that name, he is probably a grandson of Jerry and therefore a grandnephew of Dr. Jim and Dr. Mick. Another case of black cat, black kitten.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 10, 2019 23:36:21 GMT
Veteran, what relation was Dr Jim Brisnan to Con Brosnan.
Great report again. Thanks
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 11, 2019 6:35:03 GMT
I’d imagine the lack of senior colleges football in north Kerry is forcing players with ambitions of playing minor to travel to Tralee- especially if they have folks workin that way
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 11, 2019 8:26:14 GMT
Veteran, what relation was Dr Jim Brisnan to Con Brosnan. Great report again. Thanks Con Brosnan was Dr Jim's dad. Dr Jim played in the 1953 All Ireland win over Armagh and in goals that day was Johnny Foley of Kerins O'Rahillys - at full back yesterday on the "Green" team was Jake Foley, Johnny's grandson - briseann an duchas etc!
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Post by glengael on Nov 11, 2019 10:36:05 GMT
how many of that east kerry ~21 that played today, were part of teams that won all ireland minors over last 5 years? Off the top of my head Homer, may have missed some, C. O’Donoghue (Glenflesk), D. O’Donoghue (Spa,), P. Warren (Gneeveguilla); L. Kearney (Spa), R. Buckley (Listry); D. Clifford (Fossa), M. Foley (Spa). Subs: D. Brosnan (Gneeveguilla) Non-playing subs Mark Kelliher and Dan O’Brien (Glenflesk) Injured Dara Moynihan (Spa)
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 11, 2019 10:39:23 GMT
how many of that east kerry ~21 that played today, were part of teams that won all ireland minors over last 5 years? Off the top of my head Homer, may have missed some, C. O’Donoghue (Glenflesk), D. O’Donoghue (Spa,), P. Warren (Gneeveguilla); L. Kearney (Spa), R. Buckley (Listry); D. Clifford (Fossa), M. Foley (Spa). Subs: D. Brosnan (Gneeveguilla) Non-playing subs Mark Kelliher and Dan O’Brien (Glenflesk) Injured Dara Moynihan (Spa) Niall Donohue played on the winning 2017 minors@ wing back.
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Post by homerj on Nov 11, 2019 10:54:52 GMT
wow, so its an incredibly young team that they have!
Daniel o Brien was touted by many as coming into senior panel next year, is he injured or just off form?
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 11, 2019 11:04:04 GMT
wow, so its an incredibly young team that they have! Daniel o Brien was touted by many as coming into senior panel next year, is he injured or just off form? Injured
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Post by Premier on Nov 11, 2019 11:26:19 GMT
wow, so its an incredibly young team that they have! Daniel o Brien was touted by many as coming into senior panel next year, is he injured or just off form? Of their 14 outfield players, Dara Roche at 24 is the 2nd oldest. Seems hard to imagine a younger team has ever won the county championship
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 11, 2019 12:43:16 GMT
and Dara Moynihan, Shane Ryan and Paul Murphy to be slotted in next year.
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Post by sambo on Nov 11, 2019 13:28:11 GMT
and Dara Moynihan, Shane Ryan and Paul Murphy to be slotted in next year. If Rathmore join next year and and possibly Kilcummin the year after you can take it that East Kerry will dominate the championship for the next 5 years they will be that strong. The drive for 5 started yesterday
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 11, 2019 13:42:25 GMT
Don’t get too forlorn yet lads- lads will travel, lads will get injured, etc.
Also they were lucky to get to extra time with KOR and if wasn’t for BJK’s red at the start of the second half then they’d have lost.
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Post by buck02 on Nov 11, 2019 14:31:25 GMT
I'm not sure who won the toss before the game yesterday but it had a big bearing on the winning and losing of the game.
I was watching the Crokes warm up at the Horans end and noted to myself that there was not a whole lot done in terms of kicking for points. In the first 10 minutes of the first half, with Crokes playing into a very tricky wind blowing unusually towards the Mitchels end of the pitch, they had I think 5 shots for points with no white flag raised. If they had scored a few points in that period it would have been close at half time and who knows what would have happened. In around the same period Mike Foley shots 3 times from long range and a difficult angle and pointed each time.
I am going to pick out a point from David Clifford that I felt was worth noting. After around 15-20 minutes, EK started a move deep in their own defence with only David Clifford inside the Crokes 45, around the 21 yard line. Fionn Fitz was sweeping in front of him as he tried to do all first half. A diagonal ball was kicked all of 60 yards between Clifford and Maloney taking Fionn out of it. Clifford just managed to hold onto the ball before dummying onto his right and slotting neatly over. It was a class score. Tony Brosnan kicked two equally brilliant but totally different scores in the first half too.
Peter Keane will have plenty of food for thought after the championship. I think 5 or 6 fellas genuinely put their hands up to warrant inclusion in the panel for next year. Eoghan O Brien, Paudie Clifford, Tony Brosnan and Liam Kearney would be towards the top of that list for me. Its a pity that two of these are forwards, where our need is not greatest.
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