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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 6, 2019 13:37:50 GMT
Do you call it Dingle or the Irish version? I would normally refer to is as Dingle unless when I am conversing in Irish and then I would use Daingean Uí Chúis. The people of Dingle made it clear they wanted the town to be called Dingle and that’s fair enough with me. As regards the club in Donegal it is Gaoth Dobhair and that is what the club wishes to be called. The two situations are not analogous. I think you are getting too caught up over a scenario of which you have no evidence to back up your point nor the right to exert control over how others converse. Also wasn't the decision by the people of Dingle taken for tourism reasons - so you are willing to get hepped up about the language being disregarded in one instance but not when it's done for commercial reasons? You either feel strongly about something or you dont.
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Post by onlykerry on Nov 6, 2019 15:43:00 GMT
I would normally refer to is as Dingle unless when I am conversing in Irish and then I would use Daingean Uí Chúis. The people of Dingle made it clear they wanted the town to be called Dingle and that’s fair enough with me. As regards the club in Donegal it is Gaoth Dobhair and that is what the club wishes to be called. The two situations are not analogous. I think you are getting too caught up over a scenario of which you have no evidence to back up your point nor the right to exert control over how others converse. Also wasn't the decision by the people of Dingle taken for tourism reasons - so you are willing to get hepped up about the language being disregarded in one instance but not when it's done for commercial reasons? You either feel strongly about something or you dont. Topic is a bit of a red rag to a bull............
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Post by diego on Nov 6, 2019 16:06:20 GMT
Not a great week for fact checking in the journalism trade. ? This story made a bit of news in last dew days, on Radio Kerry anyway. Uncharacteristic error to be fair to him!
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Post by diego on Nov 6, 2019 16:08:17 GMT
If it's a draw at the end, there will be extra time and if no winner then a replay, is this correct? Don't think there will be extra time. Replay in 2 weeks as Crokes would play Munster semi final first.
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 6, 2019 17:31:10 GMT
I'd say that it would be far more likely for Croke Park to tell other counties to sort out their own inferior structures. It seems to have clicked with some county boards that having bloated uncompetitive county senior championship structures is self-defeating. In Munster both Cork and Clare have cut down the numbers in their senior county championship recently so that's sure to improve their competitiveness at intermediate and junior level to improve. [Cork will have 12 senior clubs in a group format plus one from the the 7 divisions and the 2 3rd levels next year while Clare had 13 teams in their senior champiomship this year - 12 clubs and one amalgamation ; down from 16] I agree with your overall point but Cork have added a second senior tier, comprising of a further 12 clubs, so I'm not sure how that'll increase our competitiveness at Munster Intermediate and Junior level. It will only increase competitiveness in the top senior grade really, which is welcome but hopefully only a starting point. I hadn't realised about that second senior tier nonsense. Clubs deluding themselves because they want to pretend they are senior. Embarrassing carry-on. Long past time Croke Park insited there was uniformity in terms of naming conventions countrywide. It's an abomination the way there is such a variation in the naming of the various tiers in so many counties by adding various tags on the different levels. Insist that every county named their various tiers as follows. 1st tier Senior 2nd tier Intermediate 3rd tier Junior 4th tier Novice Come up with standard proper names for 5th and any further levels. Hard to have much in the way of sympathy for the intermediate and junior clubs in Cork and other counties who go along with stupid dishonest naming of tiers because other clubs want to go around want to go around pretending they are something they are not.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 6, 2019 17:43:25 GMT
I agree with your overall point but Cork have added a second senior tier, comprising of a further 12 clubs, so I'm not sure how that'll increase our competitiveness at Munster Intermediate and Junior level. It will only increase competitiveness in the top senior grade really, which is welcome but hopefully only a starting point. I hadn't realised about that second senior tier nonsense. Clubs deluding themselves because they want to pretend they are senior. Embarrassing carry-on. Long past time Croke Park insited there was uniformity in terms of naming conventions countrywide. It's an abomination the way there is such a variation in the naming of the various tiers in so many counties by adding various tags on the different levels. Insist that every county named their various tiers as follows. 1st tier Senior 2nd tier Intermediate 3rd tier Junior 4th tier Novice Come up with standard proper names for 5th and any further levels. Hard to have much in the way of sympathy for the intermediate and junior clubs in Cork and other counties who go along with stupid dishonest naming of tiers because other clubs want to go around want to go around pretending they are something they are not. Do you mean that the super premier junior b- is still just a junior b?
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Post by buck02 on Nov 6, 2019 17:44:20 GMT
Was the final last year on TV can anybody remember?
Austin Stack Park was almost as full as you would get for a national league game that day.
I agree with Tim Murphys sentiments in the article quoted above. I would have gone to the quarter final double header a few weeks back but opted for the couch instead even though it was a fine evening.
The other thing about the live club TV games to take into account is this. I was speaking to a mentor of a team who were live on Eir in an earlier round of the championship a couple of years ago. He told me his team were a bag of nerves cos it was live on TV, way more so than would be usual for a big championship match.
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Post by goonised on Nov 6, 2019 18:03:34 GMT
Last year's quarters were on tg4
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Post by diego on Nov 6, 2019 18:44:13 GMT
I agree with your overall point but Cork have added a second senior tier, comprising of a further 12 clubs, so I'm not sure how that'll increase our competitiveness at Munster Intermediate and Junior level. It will only increase competitiveness in the top senior grade really, which is welcome but hopefully only a starting point. I hadn't realised about that second senior tier nonsense. Clubs deluding themselves because they want to pretend they are senior. Embarrassing carry-on. Long past time Croke Park insited there was uniformity in terms of naming conventions countrywide. It's an abomination the way there is such a variation in the naming of the various tiers in so many counties by adding various tags on the different levels. Insist that every county named their various tiers as follows. 1st tier Senior 2nd tier Intermediate 3rd tier Junior 4th tier Novice Come up with standard proper names for 5th and any further levels. Hard to have much in the way of sympathy for the intermediate and junior clubs in Cork and other counties who go along with stupid dishonest naming of tiers because other clubs want to go around want to go around pretending they are something they are not. Hold on now. Didn't we re-name our Junior Championship the Junior Premier, so that the Novice could be re-named the Junior Championship? Not sure we should be lecturing other counties!
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Post by diego on Nov 6, 2019 18:46:52 GMT
Was the final last year on TV can anybody remember? Austin Stack Park was almost as full as you would get for a national league game that day. No, not even deferred. TG4 only showed the Kilkenny SHC final on the Sunday and Dublin SFC final on the bank holiday Monday.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 12:07:36 GMT
East Kerry if the Cliffords fire might have too much for Crokes - Shaw and Kiely big losses to the Crokes...Crokes will have the co final experience whereas this will be East Kerry's first co final which will play some part in terms of experience
Pity it's not on TV - €20 is steep for one match (open to correction if there is a match before hand or not).
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 7, 2019 12:23:19 GMT
Lost opportunity to showcase Kerry's young players at national level. Pity, people around the country would love to see David Clifford play in a county final. Hopefully we are as proactive also behind the scene in ensuring he thrives commercially off the pitch and show there is a viable and successful alternative to AFL for our blue-chip young players from Kerry. This has a feel of closing the curtains about it rather than showcasing our brilliance.
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Post by buck02 on Nov 7, 2019 12:23:35 GMT
East Kerry if the Cliffords fire might have too much for Crokes - Shaw and Kiely big losses to the Crokes...Crokes will have the co final experience whereas this will be East Kerry's first co final which will play some part in terms of experience Pity it's not on TV - €20 is steep for one match (open to correction if there is a match before hand or not). Schools U15 final between the Sem and the Green on at 1 o clock.
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Post by buck02 on Nov 7, 2019 12:26:26 GMT
Lost opportunity to showcase Kerry's young players at national level. Pity, people around the country would love to see David Clifford play in a county final. Hopefully we are as proactive also behind the scene in ensuring he thrives commercially off the pitch and show there is a viable and successful alternative to AFL for our blue-chip young players from Kerry. This has a feel of closing the curtains about it rather showing casing our brilliance. If 1,000 neutrals stayed at home in the sitting room instead of going to the match, that would be €20,000 in lost revenue for the county board. I'll let you fill in the lines given what you wrote above
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Post by ballhopper34 on Nov 7, 2019 14:41:58 GMT
How much would TG4 pay the County Board to show the game?
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 7, 2019 17:17:22 GMT
Lost opportunity to showcase Kerry's young players at national level. Pity, people around the country would love to see David Clifford play in a county final. Hopefully we are as proactive also behind the scene in ensuring he thrives commercially off the pitch and show there is a viable and successful alternative to AFL for our blue-chip young players from Kerry. This has a feel of closing the curtains about it rather showing casing our brilliance. If 1,000 neutrals stayed at home in the sitting room instead of going to the match, that would be €20,000 in lost revenue for the county board. I'll let you fill in the lines given what you wrote above I wouldn't be convinced at all that that figure would be 1000 people. We should be confident of our product in Kerry, not inward looking. Showcase what we have and be proud of it.
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Post by diego on Nov 7, 2019 17:29:00 GMT
Any company who's paid to have their name on advertising hoardings around the ground - or on the team jerseys - can't be too happy with the decision.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 7, 2019 23:03:42 GMT
I would like to be able to see the full game but i cant go to Kerry this weekend.
I get it that they want to maximise gate receipts.
However, in this day and age there should be a way for the county board to show the game online on a kerry gaa account a few days after its done and dusted and let the likes of me pay a tenner to paypal or something like that to watch it.
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Post by dc84 on Nov 8, 2019 7:51:50 GMT
How much would TG4 pay the County Board to show the game? Nothing i would imagine
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Post by onlykerry on Nov 8, 2019 10:24:47 GMT
Broadcasting live county club fixtures on National TV is something that exacerbates the elite and non elite divide in the GAA and should be re thought. It is generally the elite counties that have club games televised unless a club makes it to the provincial competition. There will be 64? county finals (hurling and football) this autumn - who decides which ones get the live National TV treatment. By all means have delayed coverage of games, this would be an opportunity for the GAA to have its own channell with the potential for revenue etc and would also give fans the chance to see a game they just cannot get to.
If the Kerry final was on live TV I would more than likely watch it for free on TV rather than go see it live. It not being on TV makes it far more likely I will make the effort to go see the game in the flesh.
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Post by southward on Nov 8, 2019 12:48:29 GMT
Jeez lads, when I were a nipper, you had the inter-county All-Ireland Final on TV, maybe the semis too (can't remember) and that was about it. We've come a long way when we're complaining about a county club match not being shown on national television.
The extent to which showing the game affects the attendance depends on the weather as much as anything else; the worse the conditions, the greater the temptation to settle for the televised version.
Personally, I think the County Board made the right call here, all things considered.
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Post by jackiel on Nov 8, 2019 15:02:49 GMT
Personally and selfishly I'd love for it to be on TV but I can understand why it's not. I've a bit of a soft spot for the Crokes lads but would also love to see DC play for his club. the logistics of the trip rule it out for me this time. We have been a bit spoilt recently with more club matches on TV and in fairness it's no harm for it to be spread around a bit more. I do indeed remember a time when only Semi finals and finals got TV time.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 8, 2019 16:42:46 GMT
Broadcasting live county club fixtures on National TV is something that exacerbates the elite and non elite divide in the GAA and should be re thought. It is generally the elite counties that have club games televised unless a club makes it to the provincial competition. There will be 64? county finals (hurling and football) this autumn - who decides which ones get the live National TV treatment. By all means have delayed coverage of games, this would be an opportunity for the GAA to have its own channell with the potential for revenue etc and would also give fans the chance to see a game they just cannot get to. If the Kerry final was on live TV I would more than likely watch it for free on TV rather than go see it live. It not being on TV makes it far more likely I will make the effort to go see the game in the flesh. WHAT DO WE WANT "Parity of esteem with the Donegal branch of the Ballydonoghue supporters club" WHEN DO WE WANT IT "Now"
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Post by yellowbelly on Nov 8, 2019 17:59:54 GMT
From my recollection, and I'm open to correction, I think that over the last decade that maybe four of the Kerry County Finals, including replays, have been broadcast live by TG4. And of those I think two were not shown live but were the deferred game.
2009 South Kerry v Dr Crokes - no 2010 Dr. Crokes v Austin Stacks - deferred 2011 Dr. Crokes v Mid Kerry - no 2012 Dr. Crokes v Dingle - live 2013 Dr. Crokes v Austin Stacks - no 2014 Austin Stacks v Mid Kerry - drawn game live, replay no 2015 South Kerry v Legion + Replay - no 2016 Dr. Crokes v Kenmare District - no 2017 Dr. Crokes v South Kerry - Live 2018 Dr. Crokes v Dingle - no
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 8, 2019 19:18:45 GMT
I hadn't realised about that second senior tier nonsense. Clubs deluding themselves because they want to pretend they are senior. Embarrassing carry-on. Long past time Croke Park insited there was uniformity in terms of naming conventions countrywide. It's an abomination the way there is such a variation in the naming of the various tiers in so many counties by adding various tags on the different levels. Insist that every county named their various tiers as follows. 1st tier Senior 2nd tier Intermediate 3rd tier Junior 4th tier Novice Come up with standard proper names for 5th and any further levels. Hard to have much in the way of sympathy for the intermediate and junior clubs in Cork and other counties who go along with stupid dishonest naming of tiers because other clubs want to go around want to go around pretending they are something they are not. Hold on now. Didn't we re-name our Junior Championship the Junior Premier, so that the Novice could be re-named the Junior Championship? Not sure we should be lecturing other counties! This was a stupid change by the Kerry county board. Bring in a standard system country-wide and stop the nonsense.
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 8, 2019 19:26:26 GMT
How much would TG4 pay the County Board to show the game? Nothing i would imagine I'm nearly 100% sure they do pay some amount to the county board, however anything I've heard/read suggests the figure is fairly nominal and most likely won't come close to covering any shortage in the gate.
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Post by pillar on Nov 9, 2019 0:32:47 GMT
Jeez lads, when I were a nipper, you had the inter-county All-Ireland Final on TV, maybe the semis too (can't remember) and that was about it. We've come a long way when we're complaining about a county club match not being shown on national television. The extent to which showing the game affects the attendance depends on the weather as much as anything else; the worse the conditions, the greater the temptation to settle for the televised version. Personally, I think the County Board made the right call here, all things considered. Well said Southward..back in the day we had 3 live games all year in each code and now were going off one one cos a County final isn't live on TV.A Kerry game at 4 in Dublin is inconvenient and a Saturday night Munster final doesn't suit us either.Why does everything have to be so instant and convenient now.Were becoming a country full of moaners,moaning for the sake of it.Now I'm even moaning about moaners.Great!!!
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 9, 2019 10:57:38 GMT
When you post a video on youtube you have three options to choose from.
If you choose "public", anyone can find it and view it by using search.
If you choose "unlisted", then one would need to have the link to the video to view it. You wont find it by using search I always use this option . It restricts the viewership to those on here or those to whom the link to the game is sent.
There is a third option called "private". This restricts viewership totally. Only the person who uploaded the video can view it. There may be options to allow a target audience view videos that are put up as "private". What i am thinking is that this target audience could pay kerry county board a set fee for a year and be able to watch games that are uploaded under this account as "private".
A new account would be set up for the next year and subscriptions paid and away we go again for that year.
This could enable a cohort of kerry supporters see games after the fact that they cannot attend and provide an income stream to Kerry county board. It might be tuesday or wednesday by the time the game is uploaded but so what.
I hope i am not writing this in a moany style!
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Post by clarinman on Nov 9, 2019 12:22:02 GMT
When you post a video on youtube you have three options to choose from. If you choose "public", anyone can find it and view it by using search. If you choose "unlisted", then one would need to have the link to the video to view it. You wont find it by using search I always use this option . It restricts the viewership to those on here or those to whom the link to the game is sent. There is a third option called "private". This restricts viewership totally. Only the person who uploaded the video can view it. There may be options to allow a target audience view videos that are put up as "private". What i am thinking is that this target audience could pay kerry county board a set fee for a year and be able to watch games that are uploaded under this account as "private". A new account would be set up for the next year and subscriptions paid and away we go again for that year. This could enable a cohort of kerry supporters see games after the fact that they cannot attend and provide an income stream to Kerry county board. It might be tuesday or wednesday by the time the game is uploaded but so what. I hope i am not writing this in a moany style! The Clare county football final was live on youtube 2 weeks ago and it was free to view.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 9, 2019 12:38:24 GMT
Its perverse that Kerry has to spend so much on travelling away to games in the championship while their biggest rivals spend a pittance by comparison.
Away to Cork, Meath and four trips to Croker this year including the replay. I presume all four games v Donegal, Tyrone and the two v Dublin all involved overnights in a hotel.
All Kerry hurling games are against teams outside the province.
I dont know how Kerry county board manages to keep it all afloat.
There should be a fund to defray a portion of costs from central funds.
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