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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 12, 2024 5:06:22 GMT
Not sure how much of it is due to the forward mark, but since it was introduced, the amount of kicking has increased.
I believe people just figured out that a kicking game is winning football and always believe coaches should be given the space to figure out winning tactics, and, as a rule, I believe attacking football is more likely to produce results than defensive football.
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Post by dano on Jun 12, 2024 18:40:29 GMT
Exactly Annascaul. The defensive strategy also brings the factor of fear. Kerry never had that. When it first became prominent many commentators were overjoyed at Kerry being beaten so easily in a couple of high profile games. Our Pat Spillane wad sentenced to all kinds of abuse over his comments which, in hindsight, were correct. The blanket defense is awful to watch and re introducing attacking accurate kick passing and long range score taking are ultimately going to save the game. They got rid of the overhand hand pass and scoring that way from play (ala the Golden Years) That was a way more attractive to watch than the * we're watching now.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 12, 2024 21:07:32 GMT
I welcome the suggested rule changes.
The game is very difficult to watch with the exception of 1 or 2 games each year.
We need more contests and we need more excitement.
We need to get crowds back and attracting new people to watch the games.
I particularly like the attacking Mark rule like the penalty advantage in rugby and the fact ot has to be a proper ball delivered into the forwards and not a 5 yard pass.
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Post by clarinman on Jun 12, 2024 22:00:37 GMT
I welcome the suggested rule changes. The game is very difficult to watch with the exception of 1 or 2 games each year. We need more contests and we need more excitement. We need to get crowds back and attracting new people to watch the games. I particularly like the attacking Mark rule like the penalty advantage in rugby and the fact ot has to be a proper ball delivered into the forwards and not a 5 yard pass. In fairness the current forward mark rule is that the ball has to travel 20m. That's impossible to referee. We had David Clifford putting his hand up for a mark in Navan after receiving a 5 yard foot pass. One of the new trials will go back to the original intention from the previous rules committee that a forward mark will only be awarded for a ball kicked outside the 45 and caught within the 20. That was abandoned because they didn't believe it would get through Congress.
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Post by john4 on Jun 12, 2024 22:28:12 GMT
I welcome the suggested rule changes. The game is very difficult to watch with the exception of 1 or 2 games each year. We need more contests and we need more excitement. We need to get crowds back and attracting new people to watch the games. I particularly like the attacking Mark rule like the penalty advantage in rugby and the fact ot has to be a proper ball delivered into the forwards and not a 5 yard pass. But if it's this easy, why haven't we seen this more. Scored marks are rare enough
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 13, 2024 7:24:48 GMT
I welcome the suggested rule changes. The game is very difficult to watch with the exception of 1 or 2 games each year. We need more contests and we need more excitement. We need to get crowds back and attracting new people to watch the games. I particularly like the attacking Mark rule like the penalty advantage in rugby and the fact ot has to be a proper ball delivered into the forwards and not a 5 yard pass. But if it's this easy, why haven't we seen this more. Scored marks are rare enough Because of the added incentive to play on and try and score a goal. If it doesn't work it comes back for the mark like a penalty advantage in rugby.
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Post by southward on Jun 13, 2024 19:21:28 GMT
Because of the added incentive to play on and try and score a goal. If it doesn't work it comes back for the mark like a penalty advantage in rugby. The penalty advantage in rugby arises where a foul has been committed. There is no foul involved in a mark being awarded, the defending team hasn't done anything wrong. We're all in favour of a bit of catch and kick, God knows there isn't half enough of it. But this particular proposal sees a team get two cracks at a score inside the 20 metre line simply for catching a ball, very possibly uncontested. I'm sorry but this seems completely disproportionate and unjustified, one go would be plenty here.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jun 13, 2024 20:00:31 GMT
Because of the added incentive to play on and try and score a goal. If it doesn't work it comes back for the mark like a penalty advantage in rugby. The penalty advantage in rugby arises where a foul has been committed. There is no foul involved in a mark being awarded, the defending team hasn't done anything wrong. We're all in favour of a bit of catch and kick, God knows there isn't half enough of it. But this particular proposal sees a team get two cracks at a score inside the 20 metre line simply for catching a ball, very possibly uncontested. I'm sorry but this seems completely disproportionate and unjustified, one go would be plenty here. Agreed with this, the change to the rule should have been its abolition, instead we are doubling down on it.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 13, 2024 20:02:37 GMT
Because of the added incentive to play on and try and score a goal. If it doesn't work it comes back for the mark like a penalty advantage in rugby. The penalty advantage in rugby arises where a foul has been committed. There is no foul involved in a mark being awarded, the defending team hasn't done anything wrong. We're all in favour of a bit of catch and kick, God knows there isn't half enough of it. But this particular proposal sees a team get two cracks at a score inside the 20 metre line simply for catching a ball, very possibly uncontested. I'm sorry but this seems completely disproportionate and unjustified, one go would be plenty here. I know there's no foul it's more a comparison of how it works. Ideally there would be no attacking Mark however this is better than the existing mark rule. The incentive is to encourage kicking and catching the primary skills of the game. It might never see the light of day but things need to be tried.
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Post by veteran on Jun 15, 2024 16:45:09 GMT
Great win by the Kerry ladies today against Waterford in Killarney, scoring four goals in the process. They were poor when drawing with Donegal last Sunday but were a transformed side today.
Great to see Siofra O’Shea back after her ACL injury. Came on in the second half , scored a goal and made another. I presume this big win will ensure a home quarter final. Good luck to them.
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 22, 2024 18:20:30 GMT
Conor McManus has announced his retirement from intercounty football. What a player he has been.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 22, 2024 18:59:52 GMT
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 25, 2024 11:20:51 GMT
Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh has passed away RIP.
I think it's sometimes forgotten that he was from Kerry. He was really the last of his type of broadcaster.
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 27, 2024 14:09:47 GMT
You'd really have to question as to why the Laune Rangers U21 semi final couldn't be rearranged for another date. What's the huge rush to get it played.
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Post by southward on Jun 29, 2024 23:02:38 GMT
Fantastic win for Tipp in the minor hurling AI Final today. A man sent off after 8 minutes and another after 25, they played the rest of the game plus extra-time with 13 players and still pulled it off. Highlights on the Saturday game tonight, brilliant stuff, well worth a look if you haven't already.
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Post by glengael on Jul 2, 2024 9:00:06 GMT
TG4 covered the minor Tipp v KK game, great coverage as always. It was captivating from start to finish. I felt sorry for whoever was going to lose. Very young men and tons of pressure. Tipp manager James Woodlock was fairly animated on the sideline to put it mildly.
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Post by sinkthelead on Jul 4, 2024 8:03:38 GMT
Hi all Been a while since I posted here My two cents on structure and changes to the game
After 4 or 5 consecutive hand passes ball must kicked Scrap the advanced mark Mark for goalkick if the kickout passes the 45 Handpassed points must be closed fisted - not open handed fisted goals must be closed fisted not open handed 5 subs only
Championship structure Division 1 and 2 in one bowl Division 3 and 4 in second bowl
One from each bowl to make up pairings
16 knock out matches called the playoffs in neutral venues over first 2 weekends of championship. Winners of each tie go through to 4 groups of 4 for all Ireland Runners up of each tie into 4 groups of 4 for the tailtean cup
Gives every county equal chance to compete for all Ireland Allows for shocks in the play offs
Biggest seeded fixture in each group played as first fixture in group stage
Eg Dublin Donegal Cavan Cork in the same group the Dubs v Donegal fixture would be played first, this would give the lower seeds in the group a better chance because one of the top teams would already have been beaten after the first fixture and would lessen the liklyhood of dead rubbers
2 from each group qualify for quarter finals played at provincial venues, one in each province Croke park premium ticket holders get dibs on stand tickets in their nominated province
From play offs to all Ireland final = 7 matches
Run the provincials as a winter completion with the winners of each province playing in semi finals and final for the winter/floodlit all Ireland
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Post by john4 on Jul 4, 2024 9:22:51 GMT
Hi all Been a while since I posted here My two cents on structure and changes to the game After 4 or 5 consecutive hand passes ball must kicked Scrap the advanced mark Mark for goalkick if the kickout passes the 45 Handpassed points must be closed fisted - not open handed fisted goals must be closed fisted not open handed 5 subs only Championship structure Division 1 and 2 in one bowl Division 3 and 4 in second bowl One from each bowl to make up pairings 16 knock out matches called the playoffs in neutral venues over first 2 weekends of championship. Winners of each tie go through to 4 groups of 4 for all Ireland Runners up of each tie into 4 groups of 4 for the tailtean cup Gives every county equal chance to compete for all Ireland Allows for shocks in the play offs Biggest seeded fixture in each group played as first fixture in group stage Eg Dublin Donegal Cavan Cork in the same group the Dubs v Donegal fixture would be played first, this would give the lower seeds in the group a better chance because one of the top teams would already have been beaten after the first fixture and would lessen the liklyhood of dead rubbers 2 from each group qualify for quarter finals played at provincial venues, one in each province Croke park premium ticket holders get dibs on stand tickets in their nominated province From play offs to all Ireland final = 7 matches Run the provincials as a winter completion with the winners of each province playing in semi finals and final for the winter/floodlit all Ireland I think the structure of the competition definitely needs to be looked at but would still be cautious about rules changes. The game has always had a way of looking after itself. Teams have been setting up defensively because they've been getting rewards from it, particularly against teams who genuinely want to play ball. If last Sunday has any value, it'll send out a message that if you want to go into the gutter, we'll go with you! Armagh will have seen the carry on from Derry and question what they stand to gain from doing the same. Someone stated here correctly that defensive football is losing football. The penny will drop eventually. Kerry, Armagh might actually be a fast game!
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Post by glengael on Jul 4, 2024 10:53:41 GMT
Henry Shefflin and Davy Fitzgerald gone from their respective management roles. You'd wonder where either will pitch up next.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 4, 2024 11:48:37 GMT
Hi all Been a while since I posted here My two cents on structure and changes to the game After 4 or 5 consecutive hand passes ball must kicked Scrap the advanced mark Mark for goalkick if the kickout passes the 45 Handpassed points must be closed fisted - not open handed fisted goals must be closed fisted not open handed 5 subs only Championship structure Division 1 and 2 in one bowl Division 3 and 4 in second bowl One from each bowl to make up pairings 16 knock out matches called the playoffs in neutral venues over first 2 weekends of championship. Winners of each tie go through to 4 groups of 4 for all Ireland Runners up of each tie into 4 groups of 4 for the tailtean cup Gives every county equal chance to compete for all Ireland Allows for shocks in the play offs Biggest seeded fixture in each group played as first fixture in group stage Eg Dublin Donegal Cavan Cork in the same group the Dubs v Donegal fixture would be played first, this would give the lower seeds in the group a better chance because one of the top teams would already have been beaten after the first fixture and would lessen the liklyhood of dead rubbers 2 from each group qualify for quarter finals played at provincial venues, one in each province Croke park premium ticket holders get dibs on stand tickets in their nominated province From play offs to all Ireland final = 7 matches Run the provincials as a winter completion with the winners of each province playing in semi finals and final for the winter/floodlit all Ireland The game has always had a way of looking after itself. Teams have been setting up defensively because they've been getting rewards from it, particularly against teams who genuinely want to play ball. I agree with your first sentence here but explains how you are wrong on the second. When was the last time a very defensive team won the All-Ireland. For the umpteenth time - by definition, over defensive football is losing football, and you don't win the main prize being over defensive.
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Post by veteran on Jul 4, 2024 12:54:04 GMT
I have been thinking .
Davy and Henry throw in the towel at the same time. It is a long old trek from Clare to Waterford. It is a long old trek from Kilkenny to Galway. Galway is just up the road from Clare. Kilkenny is just up the road from Waterford. Could we be witnessing a reprise of Lanigan’s Ball? Davy stepped out and Henry stepped in again, Henry stepped out and Davy stepped in again. Both of these boys love money. I mean, of course, both of these boys love hurling.
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Jul 4, 2024 19:09:05 GMT
I have been thinking . Davy and Henry throw in the towel at the same time. It is a long old trek from Clare to Waterford. It is a long old trek from Kilkenny to Galway. Galway is just up the road from Clare. Kilkenny is just up the road from Waterford. Could we be witnessing a reprise of Lanigan’s Ball? Davy stepped out and Henry stepped in again, Henry stepped out and Davy stepped in again. Both of these boys love money. I mean, of course, both of these boys love hurling. A few Cats were telling me that Henry would never ever again have anything to do with them - now I don't know if it was just me but something about the way they said it had me believe them, apparently they will, well, never ever forgive him. Personally I was disappointed with Cody looking down his nose at The King, and now we have KD facing us down though I for one wouldn't hold it against him. Funny but part of me thinks he may have thought Armagh was least likely to meet his homeland but there you go, and he owes us nothing, a hero he is, a Kerry hero. We will probably need him one day and so he has to get experience. Funny also but many have never forgiven our own Tadhgeen for trodding a path down-under and which has almost certainly cost us a few Sams - you'd have to admire him for what he achieved at such a young age but whoever made GAA facilities freely available for his trials should IMO be sent down-under on a one-way ticket - that was criminal! BTW a few have experienced issues with Vodafone broadband in Kerry lately - anyone on here have such issues?
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Post by exiled on Jul 4, 2024 22:12:30 GMT
I have been thinking . Davy and Henry throw in the towel at the same time. It is a long old trek from Clare to Waterford. It is a long old trek from Kilkenny to Galway. Galway is just up the road from Clare. Kilkenny is just up the road from Waterford. Could we be witnessing a reprise of Lanigan’s Ball? Davy stepped out and Henry stepped in again, Henry stepped out and Davy stepped in again. Both of these boys love money. I mean, of course, both of these boys love hurling. I have some friends in Galway hurling circles and if Davy gets the job then they will eat their Galway jerseys. To say he's not liked is an understatement. And after their time with Loughnane I don't think that will help Davy. But maybe Supermacs will decide it.
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Post by jackiel on Jul 5, 2024 11:17:13 GMT
James Skehill had a more colourful reaction to the suggestion the other day. He'd rather eat cows*1te than see Davy in charge in Galway.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 5, 2024 11:27:59 GMT
James Skehill had a more colourful reaction to the suggestion the other day. He'd rather eat cows*1te than see Davy in charge in Galway. Galway's primary issue is internal rows, and a toxic club scene. As for Davy, love him or hate him, I would imagine our county board would rip the arm off him to get him over the Shannon to us... problem is we just aren't high profile enough.... but... is there isn't many high profile Counties willing to give him a punt at this stage... Clare themselves are not far off it, tactically they are naive .. is it beyond the bows of possibility if they fail again this year that Lohan will step aside and Davy fall back in?.... or has that ship well sailed?
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Post by homerj on Jul 6, 2024 12:24:22 GMT
just watching a bit of the ladies 1/4 final, its refreshing to see no blanket defecnces, 15 v 15 all in their positions for the most part.
the rules in GAA arent the problem, its the coaches
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 7, 2024 11:18:20 GMT
RIP John O'Mahony,
His Galway side were a joy to watch.
The goal albeit against us in 2000 is the type of football everyone wants to see now.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 7, 2024 11:18:58 GMT
Very sad news about the death of John O Mahoney at only 71 years of age.
I had the pleasure of sitting with him at an All Stars ceremony back in the mid 2000s. A very decent man.
Rest in Peace.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 7, 2024 12:41:07 GMT
Another gaa pillar gone. RiP.
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Post by veteran on Jul 7, 2024 19:07:57 GMT
Cork made Limerick look a very tired team. Their youthful enthusiasm, their hunger and , above all , their pace made them irresistible. Only Limerick’s winning habit prevented them from sustaining a heavier defeat. It is always sad to see great champions being unseated but nothing is permanent. This Cork team could become a formidable force but of course they would do well to remember that they are not champions yet.
Looking back now to their clash in Pairc Ui Chaoimh one is reminded of the thin line between victory and defeat , indeed in this case the thin line between hurling immortality and despair. Limerick came back from being dead and buried that evening and looked to have secured victory and in the process dumped Cork out of the championship. They will forever rue not fouling Shane Fitzgibbon earlier in his run rather than so late that they conceded a penalty and , perhaps, the five in a row . Hindsight suggests that incident was as significant as the Séamus Darby goal which one or two of you may recall cost another team five in a row also.
One other observation from today’s game , an observation which is becoming more apparent after most games, it is impossible to referee a hurling game. Throw balls, steps , tackles high and low which are deemed legal, one minute and deemed a foul the next minute, challenges from behind which again are illegal in one instance and ignored the next instance etc. Unlikely of course that anything will be remedied because of the unwillingness of some hurling devotees to admit to any flaws in their game.
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