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Post by veteran on May 31, 2024 18:49:21 GMT
Horsebox, not one hundred percent sure but I think that John Joe was a son of Niall. Somebody else may be able to confirm that. Yes son of Niall. His son Niall played a lot underage and maybe Junior in the early to mid 2010s. I assume he's still playing with Mitchels. Sean Og had a very short but successful career with Kerry. I think he played with the Kerry Juniors a few years after he'd captained the senior team. Thanks for that confirmation, Hurlingman. I remember young Niall playing underage for Kerry alright. It means that John Joe snr and his four sons and grandson played senior football for Kerry, I wonder is that a record. Of course Niall senior was a distinguished Kerry hurler as well. Indeed, if I am not mistaking John Joe snr played hurling for Kerry too. An extraordinary contribution from one family,
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Post by The16thMan on May 31, 2024 21:22:07 GMT
Not Kerry related but if anyone comes across a spare ticket for Munster Hurling final please let me know. Just the 1 will do and for any section. Thanks in advance
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Post by horsebox77 on May 31, 2024 21:41:57 GMT
Thanks Hurlingman and veteran
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Post by thehermit on May 31, 2024 22:10:58 GMT
John Joe Sheehy was indeed an excellent hurler (in fact many of the great Tralee players on the post-Civil War Kerry team were as Tralee hurling dominated the county championship in that era). Sheehy was selected on a few Munster hurling Railway Cup teams and contested the final in 1927 when they lost to Leinster.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 1, 2024 7:24:59 GMT
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 1, 2024 10:22:05 GMT
Yes son of Niall. His son Niall played a lot underage and maybe Junior in the early to mid 2010s. I assume he's still playing with Mitchels. Sean Og had a very short but successful career with Kerry. I think he played with the Kerry Juniors a few years after he'd captained the senior team. Thanks for that confirmation, Hurlingman. I remember young Niall playing underage for Kerry alright. It means that John Joe snr and his four sons and grandson played senior football for Kerry, I wonder is that a record. Of course Niall senior was a distinguished Kerry hurler as well. Indeed, if I am not mistaking John Joe snr played hurling for Kerry too. An extraordinary contribution from one family, I only recently found out Paudie Sheehy also had a very successful business career. Seems to have been highly regarded by Tony O Riley at the time.
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Post by southward on Jun 1, 2024 18:42:59 GMT
Cracker of a game so far in the U20 hurling final. The atmosphere is unreal. Nowlan Park packed out.
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Post by southward on Jun 6, 2024 18:44:09 GMT
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 6, 2024 19:09:01 GMT
I thought Stefan was injured again ? Luke Crowley going is a strange one is he not only 18 or 19 ?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 6, 2024 20:11:05 GMT
I think Stefan would have been a great player to bring on in Croker against the likes of Dublin.He is athletic and a high fielder and would be a great asset for kickouts and athleticism.He was obviously dropped from panel if he is not injured.Some players get axed and we hear nothing like Dan O Donoghue. Dan wasn't axed from the squad. There was no falling out or arguments. It's not appropriate on a public forum for me to say why. We'd all love to see Dan again if the circumstances allowed it.
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Post by mossie on Jun 6, 2024 21:10:29 GMT
Yes son of Niall. His son Niall played a lot underage and maybe Junior in the early to mid 2010s. I assume he's still playing with Mitchels. Sean Og had a very short but successful career with Kerry. I think he played with the Kerry Juniors a few years after he'd captained the senior team. Thanks for that confirmation, Hurlingman. I remember young Niall playing underage for Kerry alright. It means that John Joe snr and his four sons and grandson played senior football for Kerry, I wonder is that a record. Of course Niall senior was a distinguished Kerry hurler as well. Indeed, if I am not mistaking John Joe snr played hurling for Kerry too. An extraordinary contribution from one family, yes indeed John Joe Sheehy senior was a serious hurler as well as a footballer and played hurling for Munster such was his ability. Niall played hurling for kerry at a time when such was the schedule of games that he and Johnny Culloty were dual county seniors. Niall and Johnny both played club hurling into their 40s
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Jun 6, 2024 21:36:41 GMT
I think Stefan would have been a great player to bring on in Croker against the likes of Dublin.He is athletic and a high fielder and would be a great asset for kickouts and athleticism.He was obviously dropped from panel if he is not injured.Some players get axed and we hear nothing like Dan O Donoghue. Let’s be realistic here, Stefan simply isn’t near the level of being brought on in Croke Park. Also it’s obvious that he has been injured and just decided that there’s no point in rejoining the panel now when he’s missed so much and wouldn’t be near game time so he’s going off to America to enjoy the Summer.
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Post by southward on Jun 6, 2024 22:41:03 GMT
Let’s be realistic here, Stefan simply isn’t near the level of being brought on in Croke Park. Also it’s obvious that he has been injured and just decided that there’s no point in rejoining the panel now when he’s missed so much and wouldn’t be near game time so he’s going off to America to enjoy the Summer. You might be right about his decision to go to America but I do think he woukd suit Croker.As Bryan Sheehan said we are training players to be athletes not footballers.An athletic player can shine in croke park and Stefan is one imo. Except that he doesn't really appear to actually play the game, not for Kerry anyway. In total, he's made six league appearances, four of those as sub. In the past fifteen months, there's been just one ten-minute cameo. Not sure how much he plays for Na Gaeil these days but seems to be permanently injured. Can't see it happening for him at this stage, I'm afraid.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Jun 6, 2024 22:56:30 GMT
Let’s be realistic here, Stefan simply isn’t near the level of being brought on in Croke Park. Also it’s obvious that he has been injured and just decided that there’s no point in rejoining the panel now when he’s missed so much and wouldn’t be near game time so he’s going off to America to enjoy the Summer. You might be right about his decision to go to America but I do think he woukd suit Croker.As Bryan Sheehan said we are training players to be athletes not footballers.An athletic player can shine in croke park and Stefan is one imo. Who would he get in ahead of/what role would he come on in? It’s great being athletic but you need a certain level of football as well. Whenever he has played for Kerry and not been injured I haven’t seen anything that suggests he would shine in a game at the highest intensity.
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Post by glengael on Jun 7, 2024 15:02:08 GMT
A word of remembrance for Tom O'Connor, Kenmare, originally from Rathmore, who passed away recently. Another man who contributed much to Kerry and Kenmare football. Immortalised in that wonderful photo with Declan O'Keeffe in 1997. May he rest in peace.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Jun 7, 2024 16:37:03 GMT
Who would he get in ahead of/what role would he come on in? It’s great being athletic but you need a certain level of football as well. Whenever he has played for Kerry and not been injured I haven’t seen anything that suggests he would shine in a game at the highest intensity. He does nt have to get in ahead of anyone.He could be an impact sub.Anytime I saw him I was impressed.I was in Tyrone the day he got injured and bar one mistake he was having a fine game.I think in a tight game he would be a great sub to try close it out with fielding passing and running.Look Im only giving my opinion.I might be a 100% wrong but thats my viewpoint.Anyway like Donal Down Dan O Donoghue he is nt on panel so its all immaterial. Not to be cutting the lad but his performance against Tyrone that day in my opinion is one of the poorest individual displays by a Kerry player in recent years. He was responsible for a number of very poor turnovers and constantly misjudged the ball in the air creating chances for Tyrone. I don’t know what game you were watching or else you’re remembering it wrong. He’s had much better days and I don’t mind him being given chances in the league but he’s miles off doing anything in Croke Park at the moment. Sean O’Brien who is comparable to Okunbor is a much better option currently.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 7, 2024 17:25:20 GMT
He does nt have to get in ahead of anyone.He could be an impact sub.Anytime I saw him I was impressed.I was in Tyrone the day he got injured and bar one mistake he was having a fine game.I think in a tight game he would be a great sub to try close it out with fielding passing and running.Look Im only giving my opinion.I might be a 100% wrong but thats my viewpoint.Anyway like Donal Down Dan O Donoghue he is nt on panel so its all immaterial. Not to be cutting the lad but his performance against Tyrone that day in my opinion is one of the poorest individual displays by a Kerry player in recent years. He was responsible for a number of very poor turnovers and constantly misjudged the ball in the air creating chances for Tyrone. I don’t know what game you were watching or else you’re remembering it wrong. He’s had much better days and I don’t mind him being given chances in the league but he’s miles off doing anything in Croke Park at the moment. Sean O’Brien who is comparable to Okunbor is a much better option currently. The problem for Stefan is that he went to Australia. That in itself gives people a higher bar than he actually is if that makes sense. He simply has not played enough football to judge him but surely he wouldn't be in the group if he wasn't up to it. But like Tommy Walsh going straight into the Kerry set up after coming home was a mistake. He's probably putting huge pressure on himself aswell. Hopefully he goes off and enjoys America and we see him back next year.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Jun 7, 2024 19:33:24 GMT
Not to be cutting the lad but his performance against Tyrone that day in my opinion is one of the poorest individual displays by a Kerry player in recent years. He was responsible for a number of very poor turnovers and constantly misjudged the ball in the air creating chances for Tyrone. I don’t know what game you were watching or else you’re remembering it wrong. He’s had much better days and I don’t mind him being given chances in the league but he’s miles off doing anything in Croke Park at the moment. Sean O’Brien who is comparable to Okunbor is a much better option currently. The problem for Stefan is that he went to Australia. That in itself gives people a higher bar than he actually is if that makes sense. He simply has not played enough football to judge him but surely he wouldn't be in the group if he wasn't up to it. But like Tommy Walsh going straight into the Kerry set up after coming home was a mistake. He's probably putting huge pressure on himself aswell. Hopefully he goes off and enjoys America and we see him back next year. Agree on going to Australia heightening expectations but his main problem is that he’s injured more than he is fit.
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 7, 2024 20:35:43 GMT
Not to be cutting the lad but his performance against Tyrone that day in my opinion is one of the poorest individual displays by a Kerry player in recent years. He was responsible for a number of very poor turnovers and constantly misjudged the ball in the air creating chances for Tyrone. I don’t know what game you were watching or else you’re remembering it wrong. He’s had much better days and I don’t mind him being given chances in the league but he’s miles off doing anything in Croke Park at the moment. Sean O’Brien who is comparable to Okunbor is a much better option currently. The problem for Stefan is that he went to Australia. That in itself gives people a higher bar than he actually is if that makes sense. He simply has not played enough football to judge him but surely he wouldn't be in the group if he wasn't up to it. But like Tommy Walsh going straight into the Kerry set up after coming home was a mistake. He's probably putting huge pressure on himself aswell. Hopefully he goes off and enjoys America and we see him back next year. As I've said before what did he do to justify going straight into the senior panel? While he definitely has ability he's been one of the most hyped players in Kerry in a long time. People got carried away after the Munster U20 final in 2018 and forgot about the next game against Kildare. It's a bit like the hype around Adain Walsh and hurling with Cork. It was all based on one game. Without having it to hand he can't have played more than 15/20 games between club and county since coming back from Australia. The game against Armagh was the only one I can remember him having any impact when he was given a man marking job that night.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 7, 2024 22:14:25 GMT
As I've said before what did he do to justify going straight into the senior panel? While he definitely has ability he's been one of the most hyped players in Kerry in a long time. People got carried away after the Munster U20 final in 2018 and forgot about the next game against Kildare. It's a bit like the hype around Adain Walsh and hurling with Cork. It was all based on one game. Without having it to hand he can't have played more than 15/20 games between club and county since coming back from Australia. The game against Armagh was the only one I can remember him having any impact when he was given a man marking job that night. Fair comments hurlingman but I do think he has potential.Also if you think back what did Tadhg Kennelly do to walk into the Kerry senior panel in 2009.He had never played senior for Kerry before that and he was about 28 years old.It worked out though ill admit.Many calling for Mark O Connor who was a brilliant minor midfielder but he looked very average playing for Dingle tbh. Kennelly was terrible for all of that year until the SF and Final. I've heard about the amount of extra work he done just to get his kicking right. He made a show of Kerry with his book. I don't like lads insulting Kerry players but his role in the AFL leaves a sour taste.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 7, 2024 22:19:10 GMT
I just don't think he has what it takes at inter County level. A very athletic lad but not a natural footballer. Tadhg Kennelly was a natural footballer before he went to Australia.
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 8, 2024 10:04:01 GMT
As I've said before what did he do to justify going straight into the senior panel? While he definitely has ability he's been one of the most hyped players in Kerry in a long time. People got carried away after the Munster U20 final in 2018 and forgot about the next game against Kildare. It's a bit like the hype around Adain Walsh and hurling with Cork. It was all based on one game. Without having it to hand he can't have played more than 15/20 games between club and county since coming back from Australia. The game against Armagh was the only one I can remember him having any impact when he was given a man marking job that night. Fair comments hurlingman but I do think he has potential.Also if you think back what did Tadhg Kennelly do to walk into the Kerry senior panel in 2009.He had never played senior for Kerry before that and he was about 28 years old.It worked out though ill admit.Many calling for Mark O Connor who was a brilliant minor midfielder but he looked very average playing for Dingle tbh. IMO Kennelly roles in 09 is also blown out of proportion. Would Kerry have won the All-Ireland that year without him? Obviously impossible to know but I don't think he magically turned the year around or anything like that.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 8, 2024 12:24:30 GMT
Fair comments hurlingman but I do think he has potential.Also if you think back what did Tadhg Kennelly do to walk into the Kerry senior panel in 2009.He had never played senior for Kerry before that and he was about 28 years old.It worked out though ill admit.Many calling for Mark O Connor who was a brilliant minor midfielder but he looked very average playing for Dingle tbh. Kennelly was terrible for all of that year until the SF and Final. I've heard about the amount of extra work he done just to get his kicking right. He made a show of Kerry with his book. I don't like lads insulting Kerry players but his role in the AFL leaves a sour taste. Echo those sentiments Royal...
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Post by southward on Jun 8, 2024 13:45:18 GMT
IMO Kennelly roles in 09 is also blown out of proportion. Would Kerry have won the All-Ireland that year without him? Obviously impossible to know but I don't think he magically turned the year around or anything like that. If any one player turned 09 around, it was Mike McCarthy. His role in the 2nd half of the Antrim game was the start of it.
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 8, 2024 18:07:34 GMT
IMO Kennelly roles in 09 is also blown out of proportion. Would Kerry have won the All-Ireland that year without him? Obviously impossible to know but I don't think he magically turned the year around or anything like that. If any one player turned 09 around, it was Mike McCarthy. His role in the 2nd half of the Antrim game was the start of it. Definitely. Again showing how it was one of Kerrys most underappreciated players ever. I'm not saying Kennelly played no part in it all, he obviously did, it's just the whole coming back to win an All-Ireland story overshadowed his overall impact.
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Post by southward on Jun 8, 2024 20:27:26 GMT
If any one player turned 09 around, it was Mike McCarthy. His role in the 2nd half of the Antrim game was the start of it. Definitely. Again showing how it was one of Kerrys most underappreciated players ever.I'm not saying Kennelly played no part in it all, he obviously did, it's just the whole coming back to win an All-Ireland story overshadowed his overall impact. I was in the Listowel Emmets clubhouse a few days or so after the 09 final. A good skelp of the players were there with the Sam, prior to being paraded down the town on a lorry. Anyway, Kennelly and Galvin in particular are being mobbed by hundreds of young ones. A few feet away, Mike McCarthy is sitting down watching a video of the game and not a single soul bothering him. Just the way he likes it; he looks the most contented man in Ireland at that moment.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Jun 8, 2024 21:37:18 GMT
If any one player turned 09 around, it was Mike McCarthy. His role in the 2nd half of the Antrim game was the start of it. Never said a truer word. Were Kerry in real danger that day against Antrim? I remember only seeing highlights of that game, so it was difficult to tell how close the game was.
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Post by tpo on Jun 8, 2024 22:00:51 GMT
The game was level with 10 minutes to go, if i remember correctly
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Post by thehermit on Jun 8, 2024 22:04:54 GMT
It looked ropey there for a while alright in Tullamore, I guess because Kerry's confidence looked so brittle at that point you feared the worst if Antrim got any sort of momentum.
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Post by southward on Jun 8, 2024 23:03:13 GMT
It looked ropey there for a while alright in Tullamore, I guess because Kerry's confidence looked so brittle at that point you feared the worst if Antrim got any sort of momentum. Exactly. The first half was absolutely terrible, not helped by a high, swirling wind. There was a sense of despair in the ground at just how poor we were and the prospect of an ignominious exit in the qualifiers. Antrim smelled blood and fought like tigers that day. The second period was better but still Kerry couldn't shake them off, never more than a point or 2 in it until just before the end. A Paul Galvin goal and a couple of late frees eventually saw us home but the relief was tempered by the very real possibility of a hiding by the Dubs the following week. That one didn't quite materialise. Great Kerry support in Tullamore that day and a terrific atmosphere. It was needed.
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