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Post by royalkerryfan on May 12, 2024 11:28:26 GMT
Out for a run this morning in the Boyne valley and I past a local auld boy head to toe in his Louth colours.
Waiting on his lift to Croke Park,
I wished him well and briefly thought how magic it was for Louth to be in the final and his optimism heading down the road.
Ofcourse the reality of the task in front of them makes you forget the magic fairly quickly.
Hope the wee county perform better than last year.
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Post by hurlingman on May 12, 2024 14:10:36 GMT
What I love is people demanding "free to air" and how it's all about money for the GAA, as if to say people don't have to pay to actually go to a game.
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Post by thehermit on May 12, 2024 14:22:27 GMT
Out for a run this morning in the Boyne valley and I past a local auld boy head to toe in his Louth colours. Waiting on his lift to Croke Park, I wished him well and briefly thought how magic it was for Louth to be in the final and his optimism heading down the road. Ofcourse the reality of the task in front of them makes you forget the magic fairly quickly. Hope the wee county perform better than last year. They did themselves proud for sure and can hold their heads up high. A bad kickout gave their opponents the goal that just put it out of reach of the Louth men. They kept plugging away and when you consider the pathetic performances in Leinster of much more vaunted 'football' counties against the capital, they can take a lot from today.
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Post by Premier on May 12, 2024 14:39:05 GMT
What I love is people demanding "free to air" and how it's all about money for the GAA, as if to say people don't have to pay to actually go to a game. I don’t think it’s the whole free to air thing anymore. There wouldn’t be half the fuss that there is over GAAGO if it was Sky showing it. Most people I know have Sky these days, as well as many others having TNT. Having to pay GAAGO on top of that is the issue. I would pay €12 to watch a Kerry game because I support them, but I’m not going out of my way to pay that for teams I don’t support but if that game was on Sky last night I probably would have watched every bit of it
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 12, 2024 14:51:14 GMT
What I love is people demanding "free to air" and how it's all about money for the GAA, as if to say people don't have to pay to actually go to a game. I don’t think it’s the whole free to air thing anymore. There wouldn’t be half the fuss that there is over GAAGO if it was Sky showing it. Most people I know have Sky these days, as well as many others having TNT. Having to pay GAAGO on top of that is the issue. I would pay €12 to watch a Kerry game because I support them, but I’m not going out of my way to pay that for teams I don’t support but if that game was on Sky last night I probably would have watched every bit of it I don't have SKY Sports and at €69 GAAGo is a lot cheaper than SKY.
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Post by veteran on May 12, 2024 15:05:02 GMT
It appears to me that the GAA are the only sporting organization who are not allowed to make money. It is laughable when politicians get involved . Seemingly , Jarlath Burns is being summoned before some Dail Committee to explain himself . In the meantime , the young folk cannot afford to put a roof over their heads , the health service is a sick joke etc etc. Ah , you cannot beat a bit of virtue signaling, bit of distraction from life and death issues.
As already stated here, some of us remember a time when just three matches were televised in the year. At present, I don’t think there is any week in the year when a GAA at some level is televised. Perhaps , Jarlath should ask his inquisitors what precisely is their goal, outside of serious issues of course. That every match should be televised? If not, how would they determine what matches should be shown free to air? It would be interesting also to know how many of these politicians actually go to GAA matches, especially those from the more salubrious areas of Dublin. I imagine most of them would prefer to be strutting around the Aviva Stadium as opposed to mingling with the man from the mountain in Fitzgerald Stadium.
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Post by Premier on May 12, 2024 15:15:41 GMT
I don’t think it’s the whole free to air thing anymore. There wouldn’t be half the fuss that there is over GAAGO if it was Sky showing it. Most people I know have Sky these days, as well as many others having TNT. Having to pay GAAGO on top of that is the issue. I would pay €12 to watch a Kerry game because I support them, but I’m not going out of my way to pay that for teams I don’t support but if that game was on Sky last night I probably would have watched every bit of it I don't have SKY Sports and at €69 GAAGo is a lot cheaper than SKY. Fair enough. I wonder what the numbers compare in terms of GAAGO viewership to Sky in comparable games
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Post by hurlingman on May 12, 2024 17:14:14 GMT
What I love is people demanding "free to air" and how it's all about money for the GAA, as if to say people don't have to pay to actually go to a game. I don’t think it’s the whole free to air thing anymore. There wouldn’t be half the fuss that there is over GAAGO if it was Sky showing it. Most people I know have Sky these days, as well as many others having TNT. Having to pay GAAGO on top of that is the issue. I would pay €12 to watch a Kerry game because I support them, but I’m not going out of my way to pay that for teams I don’t support but if that game was on Sky last night I probably would have watched every bit of it The same people complaining about GAAGO are likely a lot of the same who were complaining about SKY at the time.
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Post by hurlingman on May 12, 2024 17:20:19 GMT
It appears to me that the GAA are the only sporting organization who are not allowed to make money. It is laughable when politicians get involved . Seemingly , Jarlath Burns is being summoned before some Dail Committee to explain himself . In the meantime , the young folk cannot afford to put a roof over their heads , the health service is a sick joke etc etc. Ah , you cannot beat a bit of virtue signaling, bit of distraction from life and death issues. As already stated here, some of us remember a time when just three matches were televised in the year. At present, I don’t think there is any week in the year when a GAA at some level is televised. Perhaps , Jarlath should ask his inquisitors what precisely is their goal, outside of serious issues of course. That every match should be televised? If not, how would they determine what matches should be shown free to air? It would be interesting also to know how many of these politicians actually go to GAA matches, especially those from the more salubrious areas of Dublin. I imagine most of them would prefer to be strutting around the Aviva Stadium as opposed to mingling with the man from the mountain in Fitzgerald Stadium. I know I've commented on the CB and being more interested in money over fans, but I'm also realistic and know the GAA needs money to function. However this recent debate about intercounty games being televised is different. People wanted more games and now they're getting that. I'd love to see how the likes of Donal Og e5c think there's room to show everything "free to air" but of course him and others playing the poor mouth just want hurling and nothing else shown. As for "free to air" people are supposed to pay a TV licence so really it's not actually free at all.
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Post by southward on May 12, 2024 17:24:58 GMT
It appears to me that the GAA are the only sporting organization who are not allowed to make money. The GAA not allowed to make money? With all due respect, veteran, you can't be serious. No better money machine in the land. There's a narrative that the GAA is a business and like all businesses, must make as much as it can from its customers. And fair enough, the bills must be paid; however, can we really say the GAA simply another business when it's built on volunteer effort and voluntary contributions? Is the GAA right to charge punters for every bit of product while at, the same time, putting the hand out to the same people for fundraising at every turn. Obviously, there must be a balance but sometimes it seems Croke Park wants to have it every way.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 12, 2024 17:30:20 GMT
It appears to me that the GAA are the only sporting organization who are not allowed to make money. The GAA not allowed to make money? With all due respect, veteran, you can't be serious. No better money machine in the land. There's a narrative that the GAA is a business and like all businesses, must make as much as it can from its customers. And fair enough, the bills must be paid; however, can we really say the GAA simply another business when it's built on volunteer effort and voluntary contributions? Is the GAA right to charge punters for every bit of product while at, the same time, putting the hand out to the same people for fundraising at every turn. Obviously, there must be a balance but sometimes it seems Croke Park wants to have it every way. The GAA has no shareholders. The profits get reinvested in the direction of the volunteers ie the clubs.
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Post by southward on May 12, 2024 18:16:41 GMT
The GAA not allowed to make money? With all due respect, veteran, you can't be serious. No better money machine in the land. There's a narrative that the GAA is a business and like all businesses, must make as much as it can from its customers. And fair enough, the bills must be paid; however, can we really say the GAA simply another business when it's built on volunteer effort and voluntary contributions? Is the GAA right to charge punters for every bit of product while at, the same time, putting the hand out to the same people for fundraising at every turn. Obviously, there must be a balance but sometimes it seems Croke Park wants to have it every way. The GAA has no shareholders. The profits get reinvested in the direction of the volunteers ie the clubs. Absolutely. And I've no issue with the sport making money, nor any problem being part of it. Whether it's paying into matches (3 in the past week) or contributing to fundraising, I'm happy to be involved. My point is simply that it can't be just a dollar and cents consumerist business.
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Post by hurlingman on May 12, 2024 19:15:47 GMT
It appears to me that the GAA are the only sporting organization who are not allowed to make money. The GAA not allowed to make money? With all due respect, veteran, you can't be serious. No better money machine in the land. There's a narrative that the GAA is a business and like all businesses, must make as much as it can from its customers. And fair enough, the bills must be paid; however, can we really say the GAA simply another business when it's built on volunteer effort and voluntary contributions? Is the GAA right to charge punters for every bit of product while at, the same time, putting the hand out to the same people for fundraising at every turn. Obviously, there must be a balance but sometimes it seems Croke Park wants to have it every way. He's obviously not saying the GAA aren't allowed to make money. It's only the GAA are being criticised that everything they do is about making money.
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Post by kerryexile on May 12, 2024 20:40:10 GMT
Well the starting point in this debate is that prudent management is needed to meet all challenges that arise. As hurlingman said compared to the cost of going to the game, the cost of GAAGO is very reasonable. I was at the Mayo Kerry game in ASP and the whole thing cost me over $250 (including leaving a bar in Tralee at about 1:00am on Sunday morning!!!). The barometer in this case is the FAI who are an embarrassment and a shame because of their mismanagement even though they are part of what is by far the wealthiest sports association in the world.
The other side of the coin is very understandable. The high percentage of people who are happy to have basic free to air television and don't want anything else are annoyed that even though they they are paid up members of their local GAA club and diligently pay their TV licence every year, there are games that both organisations are together making available on TV, not to their respective paid up members but to people who might not be paid up members of either but make their way through life flashing that Platinum card. Because of the sense of volunteerism in the GAA this type of Murdochism is totally unacceptable to them.
Simon pretends to feel passionate about it because he sees it as a way of connecting with people outside his typical constituency. At this stage it is over to Jarlath.
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Post by john4 on May 12, 2024 21:01:41 GMT
Seems to me that some of the negativity around IC football matches is based on a period and style of play which it looks like we have moved on from.
The narrative before the Kerry-Cork, Kerry-Clare, Donegal-Armagh, Dublin-Louth matches, and many more was that these were going to be boring, defensive slogs. Turns out that all of the above were anything but.
I'm really loving the football at the moment. It still, and hopefully will always have a defensive structure. (Cause I don't like stupidity or naively in equal measure) but the quality of skills at both ends of the fields were never before at this high level.
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Post by kerryexile on May 12, 2024 22:34:43 GMT
Seems to me that some of the negativity around IC football matches is based on a period and style of play which it looks like we have moved on from. The narrative before the Kerry-Cork, Kerry-Clare, Donegal-Armagh, Dublin-Louth matches, and many more was that these were going to be boring, defensive slogs. Turns out that all of the above were anything but. I'm really loving the football at the moment. It still, and hopefully will always have a defensive structure. (Cause I don't like stupidity or naively in equal measure) but the quality of skills at both ends of the fields were never before at this high level. I could do a thesis in response to this. Every team in the country at the moment are "painting by numbers" and that includes Kerry. When was the last time that David Clifford was given licence to kill? That would mean that everyone was supporting him. I have only seen it once, in the 2017 minor final. They were playing Derry who were definitely going to come with an Ulster defencive plan to nullify him. Kerry won the throw in and the ball was delivered in. All the Derry defence was missing, dragged out by the Kerry forwards. David was 1 on 1 with some unfortunate young fella and the ball was in the net in the first minute. He scored 4 goals. Derry's plan was blown out of the water. Peter Keane deserves great credit for this. That hasn't happened since. The demise of Kerry football (i.e. the belief that the players must subdue their instincts and execute something that someone thinks they were enlightened about in a basketball court in Los Angeles or an Aussie Rules pitch in Sydney) can be traced back to the 2002 All-Ireland final............ Meanwhile David becomes the Harry Kane of Gaelic football.
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Post by veteran on May 14, 2024 8:20:26 GMT
The GAA has a policy of dissuading supporters from encroaching on the pitch after matches for safety reasons. Anybody with a couple of functioning brain cells could see the wisdom in that edict even it meant disappointment for children. I remember a year or two ago a politician , cannot remember the name, castigating the GAA for that policy saying supporters needed to meet their heroes. Well it appears that the chickens have home to roost because a teenage girl had to be taken to hospital last Saturday evening after being seriously injured during the pitch invasion after the Cork/Limerick game.
No doubt that politician will enthusiastically contribute to the inevitable legal costs for the GAA that will ensue as a result.
While it is understandable that children in particular would want to mingle with the players , clearly it is fraught with danger especially in our litigious society. I don’t think any other sports organization allows this . Not sure what the solution is. Perhaps , if it was confined to children it would be safe but how do you ensure it is only children who do the encroaching ?
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Post by thehermit on May 14, 2024 9:16:49 GMT
Your bringing up memories now of me being on the old An Fear Rua forum many years ago discussing with sadness Croke Park's decision to stop pitch invasions after the AI finals from 2010 - the days of 'Stewards Plan B' finally done and dusted.
My view then (and it hasn't changed) is that if an individual purchases an entry ticket there should be a legal stipulation embedded in that contract that the GAA has no responsibility if someone injuries themselves trying to enter the field after a game.
I always thought the best strategy, be it for AI finals or any other game, was to allow a cordon of stewards have, say 5 minutes so to encircle the players. Then once that's done and they have all been moved near the entrance to the dressing rooms etc allow patrons to come onto the pitch and the children can gain access to the players under the eye of stewards. It would stop the mad rush to race onto the ground once the whistle goes - people will know they just need a few minutes patience and they will get on. Likewise, it would hopefully prevent incidents such as happened to Gooch I think after the 05 or 08 final when some Tyrone yokel gave him a clatter on the back of the head when running on from the Hill.
I think the kids going onto the pitch is a great thing personally. I spotted an adorable little Clare lad in his jersey, must have been only about 4, running hell for leather with his brother across the pitch in Ennis once the whistle blew to get hold of David and Seanie. That wonder and inspiration needs to be maintained.
Likewise I have very very happy memories of running onto Croke Park, getting to walk around the pitch and take it all in and watch the Sam Maguire being raised from pitchside. Oh to have those days again!!
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Post by dc84 on May 15, 2024 7:31:23 GMT
The GAA has a policy of dissuading supporters from encroaching on the pitch after matches for safety reasons. Anybody with a couple of functioning brain cells could see the wisdom in that edict even it meant disappointment for children. I remember a year or two ago a politician , cannot remember the name, castigating the GAA for that policy saying supporters needed to meet their heroes. Well it appears that the chickens have home to roost because a teenage girl had to be taken to hospital last Saturday evening after being seriously injured during the pitch invasion after the Cork/Limerick game. No doubt that politician will enthusiastically contribute to the inevitable legal costs for the GAA that will ensue as a result. While it is understandable that children in particular would want to mingle with the players , clearly it is fraught with danger especially in our litigious society. I don’t think any other sports organization allows this . Not sure what the solution is. Perhaps , if it was confined to children it would be safe but how do you ensure it is only children who do the encroaching ? I was at it and a few lads next to me in their 40s took off he'll for leather across the pitch and I'd say they had more than a few onboard highly dangerous. Fans on the pitch while visually great is a bad idea players don't want it either didn't the Gooch get a dig after an ai one time ?
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Post by veteran on May 15, 2024 8:44:23 GMT
Kerry /Monaghan scheduled for 3pm on Saturday . Up the road in Mallow Kerry play Cork ladies in Munster final at 4pm. Not to mention the clashing of the u20s with the Kerry hurlers,
Do these people ever sit down and schedule games to maximise attendances . Is it just a matter of getting the games over as quickly as possible?
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Post by veteran on May 23, 2024 11:41:24 GMT
Paddy Duncan is the latest victim of the ACL curse. A marvellous footballer . Huge loss to Mayo.
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Post by exiled on May 24, 2024 22:10:11 GMT
Paddy Duncan is the latest victim of the ACL curse. A marvellous footballer . Huge loss to Mayo. A big loss to Mayo but if any county can cover a back then Mayo can. Forwards are they're problem. But watching their u17 this evening they have a few coming up. Young Mcdonald is some prospect..
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Post by john4 on May 29, 2024 16:27:57 GMT
Cork football has big problems www.echolive.ie/corksport/arid-41405549.htmlBeara withdraw from the Cork Premier SFC West Cork division have won the top-flight football championship on six occasions BARRY O'MAHONY BEARA will not field a team in this year's McCarthy Insurance Group Cork Premier SFC Divisional/Colleges section. The Beara GAA Board informed the Cork County Board on Wednesday that their premier senior football team did not have enough players to compete. It's the second season on the trot that the division will not enter into the championship.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on May 29, 2024 18:30:07 GMT
I was at it and a few lads next to me in their 40s took off he'll for leather across the pitch and I'd say they had more than a few onboard highly dangerous. Fans on the pitch while visually great is a bad idea players don't want it either didn't the Gooch get a dig after an ai one time ? Peter Canavan got assaulted by a Kerry supporter after 2005 final also and I'm sure a few others over the years but the pitch invasions were fun.Of course it can be dangerous though especially with kids.A few pitches allow kids on at half time to play around and that's done safely.I suppose time moves on and that day is over. I used to be a fan of pitch invasions after All Ireland finals, but since they’ve been curtailed, I now see how dangerous they were. I worry about safety of fans and players in other grounds. As thehermit said above, a 5 minute wait would be ideal. Let the players catch their breath, and then let fans enter in a controlled way. I didn’t hear about those stories regarding Cooper or Canavan, but I do recall a photograph after our 2002 win and Darragh O’Se’s head and shoulders visible among thousands of Armagh fans, trying to make his way off the pitch. Now, I hope there was no incidents from any of our fans towards him (or others), but that was still bound to be a scary place to be at that moment. I do recall Sean Cavanagh saying once how frightening it was being swarmed by thousands of his own supporters, after giving it all for 70 minutes. I think players deserve to be safe in that instance following a big (or any) match.
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Post by thehermit on May 31, 2024 15:05:34 GMT
GAA just released their ticket pricing for AI series, increase to €100 for AI tickets (previously €90).
Tickets for Q and Semi-finals increase by €5
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Post by veteran on May 31, 2024 15:12:09 GMT
I note the death of Sean Og Sheehy, John Mitchells , who captained Kerry to victory in 1962 from right half back. He was a member of the famed Sheehy family. John Joe , the father , was a multiple All-Ireland winner and a winning captain. Siblings , Paudie and Niall, were also multiple winners. Another sibling, Brian, also played for Kerry but I don’t think he has a senior medal. Niall and Brian are still alive.
There is an interesting fact concerning John Joe and Paudie. John Joe was a selector and Paudie was captain in 1953 when Kerry reached the final against Armagh. When it came to selection of the half forward line John Joe recused himself from the selection committee and Paudie was dropped, having played in all the previous games. No nepotism there I can tell you . Paudie got his medal of course and further medals in 1955, 1959 and 1962, He was a smashing forward but sadly died a young man.
The Sheehy family are up there with the Spillanes and O’Ses as regards contributions to the Kerry football story. I am sure most of you are aware that the John Joe Sheehy Road is named after the patriarch of this family.
Rest in peace, Sean Og.
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Post by horsebox77 on May 31, 2024 15:42:57 GMT
GAA just released their ticket pricing for AI series, increase to €100 for AI tickets (previously €90). Tickets for Q and Semi-finals increase by €5 but in Kerry only it will be €110.00 as Kerry put the training fund "draw" ticket on the cost of the ticket.. because they can and no club has the balls to challenge....
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Post by horsebox77 on May 31, 2024 15:45:04 GMT
I note the death of Sean Og Sheehy, John Mitchells , who captained Kerry to victory in 1962 from right half back. He was a member of the famed Sheehy family. John Joe , the father , was a multiple All-Ireland winner and a winning captain. Siblings , Paudie and Niall, were also multiple winners. Another sibling, Brian, also played for Kerry but I don’t think he has a senior medal. Niall and Brian are still alive. There is an interesting fact concerning John Joe and Paudie. John Joe was a selector and Paudie was captain in 1953 when Kerry reached the final against Armagh. When it came to selection of the half forward line John Joe recused himself from the selection committee and Paudie was dropped, having played in all the previous games. No nepotism there I can tell you . Paudie got his medal of course and further medals in 1955, 1959 and 1962, He was a smashing forward but sadly died a young man. The Sheehy family are up there with the Spillanes and O’Ses as regards contributions to the Kerry football story. I am sure most of you are aware that the John Joe Sheehy Road is named after the patriarch of this family. Rest in peace, Sean Og. Veteran, a question for you, John Joe Sheehy that captained John Mitchels in the 1989 County Final vs Laune Rangers - am I right in assuming they are related?
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Post by veteran on May 31, 2024 16:40:46 GMT
Horsebox, not one hundred percent sure but I think that John Joe was a son of Niall. Somebody else may be able to confirm that.
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Post by hurlingman on May 31, 2024 17:11:59 GMT
Horsebox, not one hundred percent sure but I think that John Joe was a son of Niall. Somebody else may be able to confirm that. Yes son of Niall. His son Niall played a lot underage and maybe Junior in the early to mid 2010s. I assume he's still playing with Mitchels. Sean Og had a very short but successful career with Kerry. I think he played with the Kerry Juniors a few years after he'd captained the senior team.
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