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Post by homerj on Mar 6, 2020 14:19:46 GMT
what happens now for the hurlers?
if antrim beat offaly is it a kerry v antrim final with winner going up?
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Post by mitchelsontour on Mar 6, 2020 14:41:45 GMT
what happens now for the hurlers? if antrim beat offaly is it a kerry v antrim final with winner going up? Yes If Offaly win we will lose out on points difference in the three team head to head |
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Post by mitchelsontour on Mar 7, 2020 17:43:23 GMT
Interesting take on the problem of postponements by Anthony Daly in the examiner. www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/anthony-daly/anthony-daly-refixtures-tip-the-power-balance-in-league-gameshow-986275.htmlBefore Dublin played Waterford in the last round of the 2012 league, we already knew our fate and that, whatever the result, we’d be facing into a relegation final the following week. The only thing we didn’t know was who we’d be meeting when we got there. It was to be either Waterford or Galway so we had a decision to make before that last round game. Would we be poking the bear if we beat Waterford and then had to face them again a week later? We decided to experiment and see where that took us. We performed pretty well but Dublin lost the match, which meant that we faced Galway in the relegation final. When Galway beat us after a replay, the inevitable questions came flooding back because you always murder yourself with introspection and self-analysis when you end up in a hole. Would we have been better off beating Waterford in that last round game, sowing some doubts in their heads, and then looking to exploit any of those insecurities in that relegation final? Who knows? There is never a right or a wrong way to go about preparing for those questions because the answers are always either black or white; if you win, or survive, you’re right; if you lose, and fall, you’re wrong. A couple of managements will have been faced with those conundrums in recent days. One of the most important matches this weekend is the Division 2A clash between Antrim and Offaly in Tullamore on Sunday. Antrim are already through to the final so they’ll be asking themselves if they want to face to Kerry, or Offaly. As the host Paddy McGuinness would say to the fella who has just secured a date with one of 15 girls on the ‘Take me Out’ TV gameshow, ‘The power is in your hands’. The lucky fella gets to jet off to the tropical isle of Fernando’s — which is really somewhere on Tenerife’s northern coast in Puerto de la Cruz — with the girl he picks. But Kerry could be feeling like the other girl who he left behind. To me, it’s all wrong, especially when the power was shifted out of Kerry’s hands. They’ve already played their five games, whereas Antrim-Offaly is a refixture after it was postponed a few weeks back. It’s harder again for Kerry to stomach when their chances against Antrim last week were derailed by an outbreak of mumps in the squad. So Kerry now must feel like one of the two fretting girls with their light still on in ‘Take me Out’. Are Antrim going to pick Kerry or Offaly? I made the point here last week and I’ll make it again now; the refixtures should have been played before the final round of games. Because that decision has skewed the pathway for more than just Kerry. The sending-offs last week are as good a place as any to start the defence argument. Robbie O’Flynn couldn’t have any complaints with his red card against Galway but he will now miss the first round of the championship against Limerick. Kevin Moran and Cathal Barrett could yet have their red cards rescinded but if the Waterford-Tipperary game was the last round of the league, Barrett could have missed Tipp’s first championship match. Tipperary could still make a quarter-final. Barrett will probably get off anyway but that’s not the point. Cork didn’t make a league quarter-final but if their game against Westmeath had been postponed on an afternoon it probably should have been, O’Flynn would be able to sit it out this weekend and be back for May 10. Is that fair? We all love the GAA but there are times when we probably feel like the odd fella on ‘Take me Out’, who is thinking during his date, ‘She looks great but she wrecks my head’. The world and its mother knew after the postponed games in Round 3 that the league final would be pushed back to the end of March, but the GAA only announced that decision on Monday. You’d wonder why we keep scoring these own goals. Division 1B is already done and dusted while 1A is fairly straightforward, with Galway and Tipperary looking for that last quarter-final spot. Waterford and Limerick can still both grasp a semi-final but the match is effectively a dead-rubber because both sides are already sure of a quarter-final. Limerick don’t know any other way than to try and win every game. A draw would still be enough but John Kiely and his management will still be going over some stuff in their heads over the way the cards have fallen. So how will Kiely play his hand? He may want to try put manners on Waterford, especially when Limerick have Waterford in the Gaelic Grounds in the championship. Or else, Kiely may decide to experiment again, test his panel and risk the result, which would give him ammunition to fire at his players before they meet Waterford in the summer. A lot of that might sound like mere conjecture or guesswork from me, but that stuff does run through a manager’s head. Limerick’s only target is an All-Ireland whereas a league title would be huge for Waterford. Liam Cahill’s thinking will be fairly direct Saturday evening because he will want his players to go at Limerick at full speed. Topping a group with Limerick, Tipperary, Cork and Galway, especially when experimenting with so many young players, would be a huge endorsement of Cahill’s management. Winning in the Gaelic Grounds would also instill massive confidence in the panel going forward. The one positive of the refixtures is that Galway and Tipperary is set up as a winner-take-all clash on Sunday, but that was pure luck too. O’Flynn’s sending-off was a decisive moment in the Cork-Galway match last Sunday. If Cork had won, this would effectively be a dead rubber for Galway. Instead of having close to 10,000 in Pearse Stadium, you might have 1,500. Galway may have an edge at home. They will definitely want to win but you’d wonder how focussed Liam Sheedy will be on the result — he may be more concerned with seeing if another one or two players can stick their hand up for consideration over the summer. Dillon Quirke certainly did last Sunday when scoring five points from play. Sunday could be another opportunity to see if Quirke, Jerome Cahill, Jake Morris, Brian McGrath, Bryan O’Mara, Paddy Cadell, Craig Morgan or Cian Darcy can show Sheedy and his management something more valuable than two points and a passage to a quarter-final. That is a big game but the Division 1 relegation final between Westmeath and Carlow is far more important again. Having the game in Mullingar is a massive boost to a Westmeath team that has been fairly consistent. As well as running Cork close, they outscored Waterford in the second half, while getting within nine points of Limerick in the Gaelic Grounds last Sunday was a fair performance considering Galway only got within eight points of Limerick. Carlow shipped some big defeats but last week’s 18-point hammering from Wexford suggests Carlow’s sole focus since the Laois game was getting right for Sunday. Carlow almost got something from that Laois match but one of the real low points of the restructured league campaign is how isolated Carlow, Westmeath and Laois have sometimes looked, and how far adrift they are off the top teams. And yet, consistently going up against the big guns is the only way those teams will learn and improve. Division 1 is still the golden ticket, both to stay there, or get there. Antrim have a shot now at boarding that train but I just hope they do the honourable thing in Tullamore first on Sunday and go after a win. Antrim are entitled to look after their own interests but if they don’t want to meet Kerry again, especially when they know they’ll be a lot stronger in a final with all their players back, Antrim will be bringing Offaly with them to Fernando’s. |
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Post by mitchelsontour on Mar 8, 2020 16:01:37 GMT
Antrim score two goals late in injury time to draw with Offaly.
Kerry v Antrim in final winner goes to Div 1
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 8, 2020 16:06:15 GMT
In fairness i think Kerry deserve to be in the final.
Offaly hurling fans will now have some idea how Limerick felt at the end of the 1994 final!
Is Barry oMahony still "inside" with the footballers?
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Post by southward on Mar 8, 2020 17:44:02 GMT
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Post by homerj on Mar 8, 2020 19:37:35 GMT
when is the final on?
delighted for them, tough task but its great to be in the shakeup for promotion
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Post by An Bradán on Mar 8, 2020 20:07:12 GMT
Brilliant to see. Well deserved by our hurlers. Here's hoping they can field their full team and reverse their recent defeat by Antrim.
On a side note how does this affect the likes of Ballyduff, Ardfert etc as they head into football club championships ?
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Post by ballhopper34 on Mar 8, 2020 22:03:42 GMT
Final scheduled for 14 or 15 March, ie next weekend, so club championships will not be impacted. There is a round of county league fixtures set for next weekend as well...dunno how dual clubs will be affected.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 9, 2020 7:42:37 GMT
I suppose there is no hope this will be put on before the kerry monaghan game?
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Post by homerj on Mar 9, 2020 9:50:05 GMT
I suppose there is no hope this will be put on before the kerry monaghan game? if it was Clones possibly but i doubt it....would Inniskeen hold two games and is it a hurling pitch? youd imagine all national league finals should be croke park and to be honest, this should be played before the Division 1 league final |
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Post by tpo on Mar 9, 2020 12:01:12 GMT
Inniskean have 3 pitches, the last time I was at Kerry v Monaghan in Inniskean, Monaghan were playing Tyrone in a hurling league on the side pitch, the pitch was in excellent condition. Very few were watching as most went to find a place to watch the football match. I don't think the main pitch could take 2 games
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Post by dc84 on Mar 9, 2020 12:08:10 GMT
I suppose there is no hope this will be put on before the kerry monaghan game? if it was Clones possibly but i doubt it....would Inniskeen hold two games and is it a hurling pitch? youd imagine all national league finals should be croke park and to be honest, this should be played before the Division 1 league final Yeah or on patricks day |
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Post by jackiel on Mar 9, 2020 14:45:00 GMT
It's on this Sunday before Dublin v Meath.
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Post by mossie on Mar 10, 2020 23:58:59 GMT
It's on this Sunday before Dublin v Meath. delighted for the Kerry and Antrim hurlers that it has fallen this way and they will get there day in Croke Park hopefully injury and illness has cleared and we get out strongest team on the pitch. if so, Kerry can win |
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Post by hurlingman on May 27, 2020 11:45:36 GMT
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Post by mossie on May 31, 2020 22:53:50 GMT
Austin Stacks had a serious hurling team in the late 1960s early 1970s. Lost 3 county senior hurling finals some in unlucky cruel circumstances. They won a minor hurling championship in 1986 and that team backboned a strong senior hurling team in the early 1990s
After that though, the slide kicked in, very few juvenile teams, most years none. A shame because there was a tradition of hurling in the club. Produced some great hurlers - John Barry, Garry Scollard, the McCarthys Martin McKivergan, Padraig Teehan , Daithi Regan spring to mind many of them dual players
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 1, 2020 20:17:01 GMT
Talking of hurling, have the small ball people been facilitated in Currans? Of course there is the mentality that a good hurling team would take from the footballers and they even say that in Cork where hurling might be the bigger of the two. Still Kerry has the resources to do both and maybe it is part of the answer to Johnny Mulvihill's dilemma that NK is fading - is half of our area predominantly hurling, and if it is then get behind it. Sure didn't we win the first ever hurling AI final with Ballyduff representing us. I caught the bug last year when both National League Finals were played on the same day - hurling was amazing and Waterford weren't even at the top of their game. The key is to have a good seat, watching from behind the goals a joke, well for later comers to the game anyway, eyes not trained! Sure if the Dubs are at it then why can't we go for the double? Then we'd get the 10 in a row! |
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Post by mossie on Jun 1, 2020 22:23:36 GMT
The hurlers have access to Currans and have trained there
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 2, 2020 5:50:08 GMT
The hurlers have access to Currans and have trained there Hurling wall, etc? |
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 2, 2020 8:34:39 GMT
Talking of hurling, have the small ball people been facilitated in Currans? Of course there is the mentality that a good hurling team would take from the footballers and they even say that in Cork where hurling might be the bigger of the two. Still Kerry has the resources to do both and maybe it is part of the answer to Johnny Mulvihill's dilemma that NK is fading - is half of our area predominantly hurling, and if it is then get behind it. Sure didn't we win the first ever hurling AI final with Ballyduff representing us. I caught the bug last year when both National League Finals were played on the same day - hurling was amazing and Waterford weren't even at the top of their game. The key is to have a good seat, watching from behind the goals a joke, well for later comers to the game anyway, eyes not trained! Sure if the Dubs are at it then why can't we go for the double? Then we'd get the 10 in a row! Kerry didn't win the first hurling All-Ireland, it was Kerry's first All-Ireland. Was also Kerry's first Munster championship in either code |
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 2, 2020 8:40:12 GMT
Austin Stacks had a serious hurling team in the late 1960s early 1970s. Lost 3 county senior hurling finals some in unlucky cruel circumstances. They won a minor hurling championship in 1986 and that team backboned a strong senior hurling team in the early 1990s After that though, the slide kicked in, very few juvenile teams, most years none. A shame because there was a tradition of hurling in the club. Produced some great hurlers - John Barry, Garry Scollard, the McCarthys Martin McKivergan, Padraig Teehan , Daithi Regan spring to mind many of them dual players There were a lot of reasons behind Stacks hurling ending up the way it did. Very easy to blame Parnells etc but it was happening long before that. Stacks club themselves are to blame for it in part. I've said it before until hurling gets going in Tralee and Killarney, and South Kerry as a whole the county team will never move forward. This year could have been a good one to push on as the Under 20's were to play in the Munster championship, but imo that should have happened before this. Also the county board not wanting the minors to play in Munster is also going to hold back moving forward. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 2, 2020 10:20:01 GMT
If hawkeye were in existence back then John Barrys 65 would have been given the white flag and one final would have gone to a replay. I had a good view of it behind the goal. There was war over it.
In 1974 final, they were favs but a Jackie Condon hatrick upended them and Abbeydorney prevailed. They died away then as Mikey, Power etc turned them into a football powerhouse again.
In the early 70s they stopped competing in the leagues and only got a team together for the championship. That ultimately was their undoing in my opinion.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 2, 2020 15:04:49 GMT
Be jazus but we have some expertise here, great stuff hurlingman and Mickmack.
I wonder what you think of the notion that a stronger hurling culture could cost us Sams while not necessarily delivering McCarthys? Could we do the two - win some national hurling championship while reclaiming our run-rate of Sams?
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Post by mossie on Jun 2, 2020 23:24:15 GMT
If hawkeye were in existence back then John Barrys 65 would have been given the white flag and one final would have gone to a replay. I had a good view of it behind the goal. There was war over it. In 1974 final, they were favs but a Jackie Condon hatrick upended them and Abbeydorney prevailed. They died away then as Mikey, Power etc turned them into a football powerhouse again. In the early 70s they stopped competing in the leagues and only got a team together for the championship. That ultimately was their undoing in my opinion. It was Christy McQuinn hit that 65 in 1968 Mick Mack but yeah John Barry was one of the top hurlers in the County back then. In 1969 Killarney were underdogs but beat Stacks in a novel final. 1974 was the Condon final I think the increase in the number of football competitions and the stature of the County League was no help to hurling teams like Killarney and Stacks that had so many dual players. The window for hurling became smaller In fairness to Stacks they had a decent senior team in the late 1980s and early 1990s, beat a few North Kerry teams in the championship at the time. |
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Post by mossie on Jun 2, 2020 23:34:10 GMT
Austin Stacks had a serious hurling team in the late 1960s early 1970s. Lost 3 county senior hurling finals some in unlucky cruel circumstances. They won a minor hurling championship in 1986 and that team backboned a strong senior hurling team in the early 1990s After that though, the slide kicked in, very few juvenile teams, most years none. A shame because there was a tradition of hurling in the club. Produced some great hurlers - John Barry, Garry Scollard, the McCarthys Martin McKivergan, Padraig Teehan , Daithi Regan spring to mind many of them dual players There were a lot of reasons behind Stacks hurling ending up the way it did. Very easy to blame Parnells etc but it was happening long before that. Stacks club themselves are to blame for it in part. I've said it before until hurling gets going in Tralee and Killarney, and South Kerry as a whole the county team will never move forward. This year could have been a good one to push on as the Under 20's were to play in the Munster championship, but imo that should have happened before this. Also the county board not wanting the minors to play in Munster is also going to hold back moving forward. Stacks were barely hanging in there with a junior adult team and little or no juvenile activity long before Parnells came on the scene so Parnells had nothing to do with their demise. In fairness, a small and really committed group kept it alive in Stacks and for them it must be hard to see no hurling team in Stacks colours. I think a lot of that group have rowed in behind the Parnells project which is great. The Covid lockdown wont help Parnells, they had good momentum generated and the break is of no help to them progressing Some great hurling talent in the 17 to 22 age group in Parnells and South Kerry, the best since the early 1990s when half of the Kerry hurling team was made up of players from Tralee, Killarney, Kenmare, Kilgarvan and you had Gerry Sullivan from Firies. Some super young players I must say, all good at football too though!! |
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 3, 2020 8:02:22 GMT
If hawkeye were in existence back then John Barrys 65 would have been given the white flag and one final would have gone to a replay. I had a good view of it behind the goal. There was war over it. In 1974 final, they were favs but a Jackie Condon hatrick upended them and Abbeydorney prevailed. They died away then as Mikey, Power etc turned them into a football powerhouse again. In the early 70s they stopped competing in the leagues and only got a team together for the championship. That ultimately was their undoing in my opinion. They were competitive again in the late 80's until the mid 90's, got to a few Quater and Semi finals. Were still seinor until about 2000. Mitchels were still a seinor hurling team until around the early 70's. The likes of St. Pats and Kenmare were seinor until about the early 2000's as well. Kenmare and Kilgarvan played until the late 80's or so as Roughty Rovers. |
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 3, 2020 8:05:04 GMT
There were a lot of reasons behind Stacks hurling ending up the way it did. Very easy to blame Parnells etc but it was happening long before that. Stacks club themselves are to blame for it in part. I've said it before until hurling gets going in Tralee and Killarney, and South Kerry as a whole the county team will never move forward. This year could have been a good one to push on as the Under 20's were to play in the Munster championship, but imo that should have happened before this. Also the county board not wanting the minors to play in Munster is also going to hold back moving forward. Stacks were barely hanging in there with a junior adult team and little or no juvenile activity long before Parnells came on the scene so Parnells had nothing to do with their demise. In fairness, a small and really committed group kept it alive in Stacks and for them it must be hard to see no hurling team in Stacks colours. I think a lot of that group have rowed in behind the Parnells project which is great. The Covid lockdown wont help Parnells, they had good momentum generated and the break is of no help to them progressing Some great hurling talent in the 17 to 22 age group in Parnells and South Kerry, the best since the early 1990s when half of the Kerry hurling team was made up of players from Tralee, Killarney, Kenmare, Kilgarvan and you had Gerry Sullivan from Firies. Some super young players I must say, all good at football too though!! There was supposed to be an agreement that Parnells players were to play adult hurling with Stacks, but Parnells didn't want it after saying Stacks were a viable option for adult hurling. |
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Post by mossie on Jun 3, 2020 20:46:16 GMT
Was it really viable for Parnells juvenile to feed into Stacks long term hurlimgman?
So many of the Parnells players were from a background other than Stacks, played football with clubs other than Stacks
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 4, 2020 7:48:03 GMT
Was it really viable for Parnells juvenile to feed into Stacks long term hurlimgman? So many of the Parnells players were from a background other than Stacks, played football with clubs other than Stacks No it wasn't really. The idea of Parnells was so lads in Tralee who wanted to play hurling could without being from another club and causing hassle etc |
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