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Post by hurlingman on May 28, 2022 9:48:21 GMT
It has been known for months that the QF and SF in football are on set dates. It is very surprising to learn that KCC are only booking hotels now for those two fixtures. They can always be cancelled. The hurlers were not expected to qualify after losing to Down. They qualified last saturday at around 3pm. I understand that when the players families were being quoted huge prices for rooms the players decided to head away home that night too. Sensible choice i feel. The McDonagh cup final date has been know for months as well and there was a high chance that Kerry would have qualified for it at the start of the season.
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Post by legendz on May 28, 2022 10:03:28 GMT
Football is learning from hurling apparently by bringing in tiers. The round robins in the Liam McCarthy cup were introduced for no reason other that the fact that Football had brought in the super 8s. Leaving the unique 'Kerry qualification issue' to one side, it is hard to see how the championship format in hurling could be improved upon. Every county gets a number of games against their equals, a potential final in Croker and promotion prospects to the next tier albeit the gap between the Joe Mac and Liam McCarthy is huge. The hurling league is a farce but sin sceil eile. I think the Tailteann Cup needs to be replaced by 3 separate competitions in football... each group of 5 or 6 teams would be in a round robin and run them exactly like the Meagher, Ring and McDonagh competitions are. Maybe there are valid reasons why this wont work but the concept of playing against your peers and moving up to the next level is shown to work well There is scope for the All-Ireland hurling to go with 2 even groups of 6. Only the 12 All-Ireland teams could participate in their knockout provincial championships after the league and before the All-Ireland group stage. The provincial finalists could be seeded in pots 1 and 2. The remaining pots can be allocated based on league ranking. All teams can be guaranteed 2 home games. Provincial winners and the promoted McDonagh winner can be rewarded 1 extra home game each. 3 other teams can also be rewarded 1 extra home game each. Division winners could be first in line, before provincial runners-up are also considered for reward of an extra home game. The McDonagh could expand to 8 teams. 7 group games, semi-finals for the top 4 (top 2 with home advantage) and a final. The 8 team McDonagh can run in parallel to the provincial and All-Ireland timescale. The McDonagh final could precede an All-Ireland hurling semi-final, with winner promoted to the All-Ireland for the following year.
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Post by Mickmack on May 31, 2022 20:53:43 GMT
7 of the team that started last years final are not involved this year so getting to the final seems a great achievement this year.
Daniel Collins is the only injury concern but he should be okay.
4.30pm on Saturday on RTE 2.
I think Kerry are playing far better this year than last year. Podge Boyle, Ross and Mackessy are on fire.
I am hopeful.
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Post by legendz on Jun 1, 2022 7:06:33 GMT
A final place looked remote as I walked out of Austin Stacks Park after the Offaly game. After 2 pandemic finals, Kerry deserve the reward of the home preliminary quarter-final that comes with making the final. Regards the final, I'm unsure of where we are in the pecking order. I would have seen Laois and Antrim as better than Westmeath. Westmeath had a good Leinster Championship and we were competitive against them. Westmeath, Laois and Antrim are the leading teams outside the Top 9. Kerry, Offaly and Carlow are the next grouping. Offaly and Carlow ran Antrim close. We've seen in recent finals the benefit opponents have had from playing at a higher level. A difficult challenge lies in store on Saturday. Recent finals give us a grounded reality. We need to show lessons learned from these experiences. We can and should learn lessons from those who have learned lessons at a higher level. Antrim are rightly favourites. After the Westmeath and Offaly results this year, it'll be great to see us come out on top of one of these stellar tussles. Ciarraí abú!
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 1, 2022 17:07:09 GMT
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Post by legendz on Jun 1, 2022 17:58:46 GMT
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Post by mitchelsontour on Jun 1, 2022 19:15:47 GMT
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 1, 2022 21:20:01 GMT
It's something that annoys me about journalists. They think they've a right to interview players etc and will get the hump when they don't get their way.
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Post by mossie on Jun 1, 2022 21:37:32 GMT
Bit embarrassing for Brennan if it is the case Leen didnt travel up from Kerry! Looks like he lives in Dublin
Also, the kerry senior hurlers over the course of the league and championship campaign have made it their business to train at every club grounds that has a player on the panel , and the players have been very accessible to kids before and after these sessions. He could have mentioned this
However, I agree with Paul Brennan, surely a player or two could have been wheeled out to talk to local media. the kerryman, kerrys eye etc give decent coverage to hurling and it is reasonable that they have some access to a player or two. Kilmoyley man is Flor McCarthy is going to miss the final with a recently diagnosed cruciate ligament injury, he was well accustomed to talking to local and national media when Kilmoyley won the munster club title and got to the all ireland final as he was their captain. He could have asked to speak and it wouldnt have distracted any player that is due to play on Saturday
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jun 1, 2022 22:19:38 GMT
Bit embarrassing for Brennan if it is the case Leen didnt travel up from Kerry! Looks like he lives in Dublin Also, the kerry senior hurlers over the course of the league and championship campaign have made it their business to train at every club grounds that has a player on the panel , and the players have been very accessible to kids before and after these sessions. He could have mentioned this However, I agree with Paul Brennan, surely a player or two could have been wheeled out to talk to local media. the kerryman, kerrys eye etc give decent coverage to hurling and it is reasonable that they have some access to a player or two. Kilmoyley man is Flor McCarthy is going to miss the final with a recently diagnosed cruciate ligament injury, he was well accustomed to talking to local and national media when Kilmoyley won the munster club title and got to the all ireland final as he was their captain. He could have asked to speak and it wouldnt have distracted any player that is due to play on Saturday The Kerryman has turned into real gutter of a newspaper and Paul Brennan is a very weak poor journalist. Have read a some of his articles lately, really poorly researched, bottom of he barrel stuff. I can understand why Molumphy and the lads are staying well clear in the lead up to the game, you just wouldn't what Brennan would write in that rag.
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Post by mossie on Jun 1, 2022 22:36:01 GMT
kerry exile
the kerryman has dipped a long way alright since the days of John Barry who was superb on GAA, dogs but especially hurling
Timmy Sheehan was a loss to the local papers and radio kerry too on GAA lord have mercy on him.
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Post by southward on Jun 1, 2022 22:38:42 GMT
Jesus but that's an awful whinge from Brennan. The worst bit is using children to have a pop at the team:
"Has there been a open training session for supporters, especially children, to go along and get a selfie with Shane Conway or a autograph from Fionan Mackessy? Has a single Kerry hurler – or any of the management – visited a primary school in the last week to talk up the McDonagh Cup final, and maybe bring along a couple of match tickets to raffle out among the kids?"
That's desperate stuff. These are amateur players, students and working men who give enough hours to the jersey as it is. They're under no obligation to visit anybody, even if they had the time.
As for interviews, who's dying to hear the usual scripted responses and clichés anyway? Apart from Paul Brennan, like.
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jun 1, 2022 23:47:28 GMT
Jesus but that's an awful whinge from Brennan. The worst bit is using children to have a pop at the team: "Has there been a open training session for supporters, especially children, to go along and get a selfie with Shane Conway or a autograph from Fionan Mackessy? Has a single Kerry hurler – or any of the management – visited a primary school in the last week to talk up the McDonagh Cup final, and maybe bring along a couple of match tickets to raffle out among the kids?" That's desperate stuff. These are amateur players, students and working men who give enough hours to the jersey as it is. They're under no obligation to visit anybody, even if they had the time. As for interviews, who's dying to hear the usual scripted responses and clichés anyway? Apart from Paul Brennan, like. We all know Paul Brennans agenda here, he didn't get his box-ticking exercise of interviewing a few of the hurlers before the Joe McDonagh final, so he decides to try and degrade them as a group by coming out with this tripe about not signing autographs and attending primary schools. I know most of the kerry hurlers personally and a nicer, more genuine group of players you wouldn't meet. As I said previously, Brennan is up there with the worst sports editor in Ireland, plenty have said it before I did.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2022 5:21:29 GMT
I have no interest in what Paul Brennan has said and I could not care less about another bland interview but you cannot then complain about poor media coverage whether RTE or other media outlets of the final and Kerry hurling in general. Yes, the players are amateurs and they can do what they want but if they want publicity, they need to play the game a bit.
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Post by legendz on Jun 2, 2022 6:01:18 GMT
If they want bigger crowds attending games, they need the local media on board. A player should have been available to the local media. The national media only give the McDonagh scant coverage.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 2, 2022 6:47:37 GMT
Molumphys practice of bringing a training session to the club of each of the players is unique and has gone down very well with the clubs and especially the kids in each club who get to meet players after the session etc.
It doesn't appear to have impacted negatively anyway.
I agree that someone should have been put forward to play the game with the local media and Flor McCarthy was an ideal candidate as mossie says.
I assume a photo was to be taken or something in Dublin in advance of the final and Eric Leen who teaches in Rush was the easiest option. He didnt say much....he is proud to wear the jersey, Molumphy is is great.... it probably took 3 minutes.
Paul Brennan could have waited till next week to have his cut.
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Post by legendz on Jun 2, 2022 9:28:08 GMT
Not to be looking too far ahead but next week we'll be building up to Cork or Wexford coming to Austin Stacks Park!
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jun 2, 2022 10:30:56 GMT
Not to be looking too far ahead but next week we'll be building up to Cork or Wexford coming to Austin Stacks Park! Be great to see a big crowd in Tralee for that. Win, lose or.draw it is great to see the Kerry hurlers competing in a Liam McCarthy match.
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jun 2, 2022 10:40:12 GMT
Anybody know the reason why the Cumann Na mBunscoil division 1 hurling final between Abbeydorney and Ballyheigue primary schools was pulled from Austin Stack Park 24 hours before it was due to be played?
Moved to Abbeydorney pitch.
A video going round of ASP showed no rain and pitch in excellent condition.
After a big build up by the kids in their schools all week and the excitement of telling everyone they were playing a big ASP what a slap in the face for the younf kids, I know the teachers were really dissapoinged.
No surprise really.
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Post by veteran on Jun 2, 2022 11:07:48 GMT
Some of our hurling fraternity here are a strange lot. A lot of them seem to be stricken with a debilitating dose of paranoia. At a time when they should be expectantly looking forward to Saturday they mire themselves in having a pot shot at the County Board or at the media etc. One person describes the Kerryman paper as a rag. That is a point of view but it is a rag which is widely read and gives copious coverage to Kerry hurling. You can’t have it both ways. If you want media coverage, which I contend you get extensively down here, then you have to take the rough with the smooth. You cannot expect to have editorial control over any media outlet.
Of course , if you are not happy with what a particular journalist says then feel free to do as I do . Ignore.
In the meantime , best wishes to the Kerry hurlers . I suspect the sporting public in Kerry will be overjoyed if success is to be their fate, I trust the paranoia consuming some hurling folk here does not extend to thinking some Kerry GAA followers do not wish them well. That level of paranoia would need looking after.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 2, 2022 12:12:38 GMT
A thought struck me thinking about this match is that there might be a paradox that supporters/fans of the most successful teams are possibly those who face the most disappointment.
Nobody has lost more All-Ireland finals than the Kerry senior footballers. Marry that with the expectation and you might see what I mean.
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Post by legendz on Jun 2, 2022 12:12:50 GMT
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 2, 2022 20:21:53 GMT
Some of our hurling fraternity here are a strange lot. A lot of them seem to be stricken with a debilitating dose of paranoia. At a time when they should be expectantly looking forward to Saturday they mire themselves in having a pot shot at the County Board or at the media etc. One person describes the Kerryman paper as a rag. That is a point of view but it is a rag which is widely read and gives copious coverage to Kerry hurling. You can’t have it both ways. If you want media coverage, which I contend you get extensively down here, then you have to take the rough with the smooth. You cannot expect to have editorial control over any media outlet. Of course , if you are not happy with what a particular journalist says then feel free to do as I do . Ignore. In the meantime , best wishes to the Kerry hurlers . I suspect the sporting public in Kerry will be overjoyed if success is to be their fate, I trust the paranoia consuming some hurling folk here does not extend to thinking some Kerry GAA followers do not wish them well. That level of paranoia would need looking after. Well the journalist in question has made things up to suit his own agenda and has trown his toys out of the pram because he didn't get his own way. As for the CB they have questions to answer, even though they most likely won't, over why they changed those schools games at the last minute without giving any reason for it.
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Post by mossie on Jun 2, 2022 20:29:31 GMT
The bookies giving us no chance and I suppose easy see why but if Shane Conway, Padraig Boyle, Mikey Boyle all catch fire on the day anything is possible
Up the Kingdom!
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Post by mossie on Jun 2, 2022 20:41:45 GMT
www.facebook.com/MikeOHalloranSport/Interesting piece on this page Johnny Conway, Shane's Dad the most capped kerry hurler of all time 143 appearances, closely followed by Christy Walsh Kilmoyley 138 Mikey Boyle is breathing down their neck on 131!
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Post by legendz on Jun 3, 2022 6:16:56 GMT
The bookies giving us no chance and I suppose easy see why but if Shane Conway, Padraig Boyle, Mikey Boyle all catch fire on the day anything is possible Up the Kingdom! I think the odds are fair. Antrim gave Waterford, Kilkenny and Dublin a good game in the league. Laois seemed to hold back in the league, saving themselves for Antrim. Laois seemed to try the same trick in Leinster. Westmeath, like Antrim, had the intention of being competitive in every game. Laois got burnt by their playing with fire tactic! Laois deserve to relegated. The Antrim v Kerry winner should be promoted as the 6th team in their province. Ciarraí abú!
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 3, 2022 6:48:46 GMT
Its a huge occasion and i hope Kerry can settle straight away. In that recent game in Tralee v Offaly, Kerry took about 10 minutes to get a foothold in the game.
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Post by legendz on Jun 3, 2022 8:39:33 GMT
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Post by thehermit on Jun 3, 2022 8:39:41 GMT
Well I'm looking forward to being in Croker tomorrow to cheer the lads on, I wonder what sort of Kerry crowd will turn up? I assume Antrim will bring a fair load down.
I suppose even with the Double Header you'll be lucky to get 30k at the game tommorrow and I doubt too many Galway or Kilkenny fans will come in early for the McDonagh, it could be a fairly empty stadium at 4:30!
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 3, 2022 9:03:38 GMT
I have mixed feelings about it. I am not sure that going straight into Munster is a good idea. Stronger counties like Wexford, Dublin would struggle in Munster. I think the winners of the Joe Mac should go into Leinster. I get the point that you must play against stronger teams to improve but getting well beaten never did anyone any good. In other words, i think playing to the max of a counties potential should be the goal and Kerry are not far off of that in hurling given the pick. Other counties (like Cork) please follow! Playing in Leinster is a more realistic step up in my view.
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