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Post by legendz on Jun 3, 2022 9:34:30 GMT
I have mixed feelings about it. I am not sure that going straight into Munster is a good idea. Stronger counties like Wexford, Dublin would struggle in Munster. I think the winners of the Joe Mac should go into Leinster. I get the point that you must play against stronger teams to improve but getting well beaten never did anyone any good. In other words, i think playing to the max of a counties potential should be the goal and Kerry are not far off of that in hurling given the pick. Other counties (like Cork) please follow! Playing in Leinster is a more realistic step up in my view. Leinster essentially agreed to accommodate Galway and Antrim. Kerry's pathway to Munster is a Munster problem. If Kerry got a year in Munster, the hope would be to take the lessons learned from the experience. On the final tomorrow, I think we have a clear picture of the level Antrim are at. If we are to compete respectably against Cork or Wexford, we should also be able to lock horns in battle against this strong Antrim side. It could be an interesting tussle. After a great McDonagh campaign by most of the 6 teams, it'll be great if the final showcases the quality we have all seen in recent weeks.
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Post by thehermit on Jun 3, 2022 9:40:08 GMT
Playing in Leinster is the obvious step as well Mick and why this system was ever introduced to keep one county from reaching the top tier is beyond me.
The hurling world knows the 5 Munster teams are among the 7 best in Ireland there's no need to safeguard them - just accept a situation where none of those 5 will ever be relegated to the McDonagh unless one of them experiences a dramatic, multi-year decline. A few might grumble about the scared cow nature of that, but I think most would accept the simple reality. Even this year the two bottom teams in Munster, Tipp and Waterford, would have a very good chance of winning Leinster.
With Galway and Antrim having already played in the other provincial system its not really 'Leinster' anymore anyway so why not call it the 'Northern/Rest of Ireland Conference' or something for semantics sake if Kerry partake.
Kerry were very unlucky to lose to Westmeath earlier this year, a team who have been competitive the last few weeks. On a given day Kerry could beat them and the likes of Laois. And we will improve more by getting within 6-8 points of a Wexford or Dublin than by losing by 30 points to Limerick.
I hope if Kerry did manage to win tomorrow, the whole narrative for the following week from the media is how ludicrous this system is. And the Kerry camp need to help drive that narrative.
All this needs is a a bit of a tweak for next year - McDonagh Champions, regardless of who they are, play in Leinster. You could put in a simple stipulation for Kerry that, in the event they ever win the Leinster Championship, they are placed in an expanded 6 county Munster Championship for the next few years. Alternatively allow Kerry the simple discretion to opt to play in Munster if and when they felt ready to realistically compete there.
I just don't know how or why Kerry ever agreed to this system. It goes back to something I've complained about for years. Kerry is one of the Superpowers in the GAA, yet our CB never seems to throw its weight around like Dublin or Cork do. I'm not privy to what they might be doing behind the scenes, but I'd wish sometimes the Kerry GAA would place their big stick on the table just to remind other counties and Croke Park about it.
They surely have enough leverage to demand their hurlers get a square deal, even if Kerry is not a 'traditional' hurling power. They surely have enough ammo on the other Munster counties at this stage to tell them to cop on a bit!
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Post by peanuts on Jun 3, 2022 9:50:22 GMT
Playing in Leinster is the obvious step as well Mick and why this system was ever introduced to keep one county from reaching the top tier is beyond me. In fairness I don't think it was introduced to keep Kerry from reaching the top tier but rather to prevent the other 5 counties the ignominy of having to play in the McDonagh cup. But it does obviously have that effect on Kerry so I suppose the reasoning behind it doesn't matter. Kerry have to win the McDonagh cup in the first place. If and when they do I think the existing rule will get changed to something fairer. For me that would be Kerry in Leinster for the time being at least.
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Post by legendz on Jun 3, 2022 9:58:50 GMT
Playing in Leinster is the obvious step as well Mick and why this system was ever introduced to keep one county from reaching the top tier is beyond me. The hurling world knows the 5 Munster teams are among the 7 best in Ireland there's no need to safeguard them - just accept a situation where none of those 5 will ever be relegated to the McDonagh unless one of them experiences a dramatic, multi-year decline. A few might grumble about the scared cow nature of that, but I think most would accept the simple reality. Even this year the two bottom teams in Munster, Tipp and Waterford, would have a very good chance of winning Leinster. With Galway and Antrim having already played in the other provincial system its not really 'Leinster' anymore anyway so why not call it the 'Northern/Rest of Ireland Conference' or something for semantics sake if Kerry partake. There's the Munster Championship and the Leinster Championship. I think the McDonagh Cup should be the "National Championship". While I'm on this tangent: National Conference (Ring Cup) Conference 1 (Rackard Cup) Conference 2 (Meagher Cup) The names of the various hurling tiers should be reflective of their respective levels. Using thehermit's comment regards Leinster, Leinster could become the "National Championship". In that case: Counties Championship (McDonagh Cup) Premier Conference (Ring Cup) Conference 1 (Rackard Cup) Conference 2 (Meagher Cup)
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 3, 2022 17:34:06 GMT
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Post by thehermit on Jun 3, 2022 20:06:49 GMT
Hopefully they'll be landing with the Cup too! An Riocht Abu!!!!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 3, 2022 20:28:22 GMT
Maybe the bottom team from Leinster should be relegated and the bottom team in Munster plays off the second bottom team in Leinster.
If the Munster team lose, Kerry go into Munster. If they win, Kerry go into Leinster.
This is not thought through but an idea.
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Post by veteran on Jun 3, 2022 22:18:07 GMT
I notice Cillian Trant is a sub for Kerry tomorrow. He plays his football with St. Senans and hurling with Crotta. Was a sub with Kerry u20 football team last year. I was very impressed with him in the North Kerry Championship ln 2021. I haven’t seen him play hurling but apparently he is very good.
His lineage is spectacular on the football side. His maternal grand uncle was Dr, Jim Brosnan and therefore his great grand uncle was Con Brosnan. I am not sure where the hurling came from. Greyhounds and horses would have been the sporting pursuits on the paternal side. It will be interesting to see how his career/s pan out.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 3, 2022 23:13:58 GMT
I notice Cillian Trant is a sub for Kerry tomorrow. He plays his football with St. Senans and hurling with Crotta. Was a sub with Kerry u20 football team last year. I was very impressed with him in the North Kerry Championship ln 2021. I haven’t seen him play hurling but apparently he is very good. His lineage is spectacular on the football side. His maternal grand uncle was Dr, Jim Brosnan and therefore his great grand uncle was Con Brosnan. I am not sure where the hurling came from. Greyhounds and horses would have been the sporting pursuits on the paternal side. It will be interesting to see how his career/s pan out. I sat at 'St Micks' with wan of the clan and he was a noted hurler, of Elvis numbers! Seriously, there would be clues as to how Cillian excels if one were to use Artificial Intelligence, Algorithms, etc - I was party to such a programme that helped ticked boxes re how, well more why really, Kieren Fallon became what was probably the worlds best jockey despite neither his forefathers nor his foremothers having any connection with horse racing - same with trainer AP O'Brien though unlike Fallon, at least he was raised in 'horsey country', though his initial career was driving a forklift with then Waterford Creameries. The reason I make the point here is that it is a good example of nature and nurture - it all gets interesting when nature is nurtured and which rockets things. From the aforementioned project I was able to figure out how I am such a genius, well more geniass - ah got in there before ye hoors out there! Seriously, yes, technology can be very useful, well powerful - and of course as we all know, power corrupts! I have previous here, with a TCD genetics professor who questioned 'this Kerry Ingredient lark'; ah sure in consoling him I 'agreed' it was all down to An Post, the postmen we recruited - Sadlers Wells eat your heart out. Anyway, good luck to Cillian and his pals, give us the equivalent of an Elvis show. His minders need to be on duty as I know a certain educational institution who would like to retaliate against Ballyfireside! The Kerry Hurlers abú! BTW I'm delighted I see that our Vet is nearly there with non-UCC words, ah sure I'm only a NIHE man, wan of 'the lesser institutions' a UCC laddo once advocated - well that was until a lesser man became his boss and he had to walk down the road - Winning Streakers is wan of Ballyfireside's works in the making - ah you can smell the buns burning in the oven? Now don't get Bally' going about the fireman returning to the fire station to find it on fire - a bit like the pagan pulpit preacher of stigmata who got his 'light finger' burnt when he tried to lift Ballyfireplace, touched something he couldn't afford.
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Post by legendz on Jun 4, 2022 9:54:10 GMT
I hope Kerry seize the day. It's an opportunity for a stand out championship win. If at first you don't succeed, try and try again!!! Ciarraí abú!
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Post by Premier on Jun 4, 2022 15:48:10 GMT
Kerry getting blown out of it here. A lot of the players extremely light
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jun 4, 2022 16:34:32 GMT
Playing Paudie O Connor as a sweeper hasnt worked. His first touch is poor and he hasnt the physique to stop Antrims fast runners.
Ability to create goals the big difference, Kerry have had plenty of possession.
Podge Boyle the best player on the pitch yet again.
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Post by southward on Jun 4, 2022 16:37:28 GMT
Hate to pick on anyone but our keeper is killing us. Same against Offaly in Tralee.
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jun 4, 2022 16:40:28 GMT
Hate to pick on anyone but our keeper is killing us. Same against Offaly in Tralee. Agreed Jordan Conway is absolutely destroying his man.
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Post by southward on Jun 4, 2022 17:02:17 GMT
Shocking decision by the ref there, giving a free to Antrim for a "trip". Kerry player was yards away. wtf??
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Post by gaelicden on Jun 4, 2022 17:05:18 GMT
Shocking decision by the ref there, giving a free to Antrim for a "trip". Kerry player was yards away. wtf?? And look what we've lost by
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Post by legendz on Jun 4, 2022 17:07:21 GMT
Hate to pick on anyone but our keeper is killing us. Same against Offaly in Tralee. Cracking game like on Tralee v Offaly. Agreed, the keeper is hampering us. Incredible effort by the Kerry lads.
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Post by homerj on Jun 4, 2022 17:08:31 GMT
absolutely did the county proud.
but bitter taste, two huge decisions at critical times.
black card against kerry, exact same incident no black for antrim.
and the phantom trip that should have been a free in.
huge huge moments of the game
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Post by Premier on Jun 4, 2022 17:08:55 GMT
Shocking decision by the ref there, giving a free to Antrim for a "trip". Kerry player was yards away. wtf?? Shocking. 2 point swing. Great heart by the team in fairness. A few more players to supplement the main men and they’d have a very good team
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jun 4, 2022 17:11:51 GMT
Shocking performance by the ref.
Cost Kerry big time.
If JB O Halloran from Kerry was in goals, Kerry would be Joe McDonagh cup champions today.
That Limerick goalie very very poor.
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Post by homerj on Jun 4, 2022 17:14:33 GMT
Wexford at home next weekend.
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Post by southward on Jun 4, 2022 17:17:00 GMT
Wexford at home next weekend. Let's all try to get there. Be great for Kerry hurlers to play in front of a partisan full house. These lads deserve it, heroic again today.
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Post by dano on Jun 4, 2022 17:21:41 GMT
Heartbreaking way to lose. The ref will realize , when he watches it, that he alone cost Kerry the game. Put that in your pipe and smoke it now certain former Cork player/pundit.
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Post by legendz on Jun 4, 2022 17:21:46 GMT
Wexford at home next weekend. No consolation at the moment. Such a great effort. Ref and keeper nightmares.
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Post by thehermit on Jun 4, 2022 17:44:47 GMT
Heartbreaking lads, heartbreaking. But after a terrible start they did us proud. Ref was a joke, Jordan heroic. We go again next week. Chest out, head high, An Riocht Abu!
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jun 4, 2022 17:46:27 GMT
Hard luck to the Kerry hurlers. A powerful performance that wasn't rewarded with a better result. Kerry undone by a Dublin official, good to know its not just football where it happens.
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Post by thehermit on Jun 4, 2022 19:23:01 GMT
Ah Bally there's no need to call a fella names like that. Yes he fecked us over a bit, a good bit. But we also hit some awful, awful wides and 2 were handy, handy frees. We started terribly and gave ourselves a mountain to scale and that's just the painful reality.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jun 4, 2022 19:49:37 GMT
I'll admit that after the game I hoped the ref took a bribe as I couldn't comprehend anyone could be so shockingly poor by choice.
The ref does need to be dropped from intercounty games though. Let him ruin his county club matches for a few years before he rides off into the sunset.
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Post by legendz on Jun 4, 2022 19:50:21 GMT
Against Offaly we conceded a fourth sloppy goal and then we started playing. Same today. Conceded the fourth sloppy goal and climbed the mountain, almost. Kerry deserve to big support for the Wexford match.
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 4, 2022 20:06:07 GMT
Very disappointing. While some calls played a part Kerry still had enough chances to win it. As has been the case in the past ww were too slow starting again.
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