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Post by veteran on May 23, 2022 11:17:22 GMT
Mossie says we should stop having a pop off Donal Og Cusack . Well here is the deal as far as I am concerned. I will stop having a pop off him when he stops having a cheap shot at the county board from his privileged position, if he persists, then I will reply in kind. That sounds like fair play to me. Look a few Kerry football analysts have had a pop off Cork football in recent years and the state of it on TV and print media and a skelp at the cork county board in the process is that any different to what Donal Og Cusack did today? maybe you hold the same view of them Kerry analyst as you do Donal Og? Donal Og should have been more balanced I accept He didnt acknowledge any of the progress made which grates me and if the board are to be blamed for things well then they must get the nod for good things too but look there are matters to be addressed where hurling in kerry needs to get fairer play to allow it to push on. You wont win friends by saying it though. Those close to the scene know what I am talking about. I will leave it at that Mossie , I can assure you that I was equally dismayed when some Kerry analysts made dismissive and indeed offensive comments about Cork football. I and indeed commented on that matter in this forum at the time. Pat Spillane was one of the chief offenders with the result that I do not read his articles any more. Now, you do suggest that Kerry hurling is not getting as much support from the County Board as it needs. I am disappointed to hear that but I am not in a position to agree with or refute that contention. The only thing I can say is that all the recent county hurling managers have expressed their gratitude for the help and co-operation they have received from our administration. However, I don’t think it is fair to throw out an allegation like that and then refuse to elaborate with specific details. I cannot understand your reluctance to do so. A Kerry GAA Officer posts on this forum and I am sure he would be interested , as indeed we all would, in reading about your grievances and addressing them to the best of his ability. Perhaps , you will take time to do that as, unlike Mr . Cusack, your knowledge of and passion for Kerry hurling is obvious.
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Post by Mickmack on May 23, 2022 12:57:03 GMT
I dont know of any football parish in Ireland (i mean where football is the dominant game) that hurling has been successfully grown from scratch. By successful i mean to be on a par with football.
The Parnells thing is unique and it will be interesting to see what develops when the best hurlers are needed by the various football clubs.
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 23, 2022 13:16:28 GMT
True but there was plenty of time for yapping all the same. Did we even get 20 seconds? It was way less than any other game featured anyway, including the Carlow/Offaly match. One Kerry score shown and they couldn't even show us the final whistle. It was an insult tbh. Something I'll never understand with the Sunday game is why,in both football and hurling, they'll show the game that was already on live first and talk about it at length again. Probably because more people saw it, a harsh reality of media. Regarding this nonsense of he said/she said, and while I don't want to blow my own trumpet, will ye take a look at my previous comment above. Why do we argue when we all want the same - maybe we misunderstand each other, and no, we aren't perfect and we can all get detail wrong. The big/small ball debate in Kerry is similar to other counties, it has to do with money, or lack of it, meeting an amateur game of professional standards and which is largely influenced by, well money. The other option is to get the Man City financiers involved, so careful what we wish for. My late father used to say that Ireland was a remarkable country to keep going given the politicians we had, and I think the same can be said of the GAA code and those who play - they entertain us week in, week out while also keeping their own show on the road and which isn't at all easy. Some do it with no prospect of silverware, more with a slim prospect of game time. This is a bubble waiting to burst and then it will be too late - many Irish youngsters just won't make that commitment, another nail in the coffin of rural Ireland - jazus we'll run out of wood. The end will be that the game won't be as it otherwise might have been if we were playing with a full compliment of players, a full deck - youngsters have just so many options these days, unlike of old when it was all down to the field at every opportunity, or kicking the ball at the gable wall. There are no kids playing ball in the backstreet anymore, too busy on the phone. Vet needs to consider that respective codes became No 1 for a reason and we must deal with what nature handed us. No matter how you go about it, no county will do the same in any given year, and so people will talk of favouritism. You could take all the money solicitors robbed from society in malicious insurance claims and unpicking children's hospital contracts, and put it into Kilkenny football and they won't win Sam, and that is only one of very many examples. As I said above - do Kerry hurlers want for any resources that TCB has at their disposal, bearing in mind nobody can tell laddos what game to be good at? Did someone say they were happy with the backing they get - if they are all agreed then it is down to using it to strategically up the quality.
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Post by kerry97 on May 23, 2022 14:00:13 GMT
What about Cuala/Dalkey or are you discounting urban areas from the conversation ?
On Kerry I think they've been excellent the last few weeks . I saw them live in Tralee a couple of weeks ago and I think they are still a little light looking and I think they need to be more clinical with goal chances . They had more then enough against Offaly to win the game and they failed to take one against Antrim . I think they'll need a couple in the final to win .
Antrim are most certainly a more physical side but Kerry have built momentum and confidence and the lighter pacier team will certainly prefer a dry pitch in the middle of the summer as opposed to a cold wet day in December . I think Antrim are the favourites but it will be tight.
I didn't hear DOCs comments on the TSG and by the sounds of them they were a bit over the top . I agree with the sentiment that the board could always do a bit more and that we would struggle in the Munster Championship but I'm not sure what it is he wants with that comment , is the goal a sort of eternal purgatory for Kerry ? Personally I think every county in the Leinster Championship with the possible exception of Galway would struggle in Munster presently . Kilkenny were beaten by a team who drew with Westmeath last week and when push came to shove all they did was rain aimless high ball down on top of their full forward line.
With regard to the hurling championship having a limited number of contenders and its ultimate failure to broaden its competitive base I think the problems are a lot deeper than Kerry , Westmeath , Carlow and Antrim . Frankly upon review the likes of Wexford are still really uncompetitive , they are miles ahead of us but does anyone really think they have a chance of winning the AI ? No . Waterford haven't won a championship since the 50s , how many round robin matches have Waterford won ? I think its one more than Kerry presently . We could keep going here , Dublin have made structural changes and made every club play the game and it has brought them some success ( 1 national league and a Leinster Championship ) but that's probably over ten years ago now.
Laois , Offaly and Carlow are largely in the same space as us , small playing bases with dominant neighbours .
The worst thing about the hurling analysis is all the " best game in the world" " where would you get it" "let it flow" "mans game" "no cynicism" nonsense they come out with . Football has issues defining and interpreting the tackle but Hurling is ridiculous presently , frontal challenges , hurleys around the neck and a host of other stuff . On top of it all you have this constant " spreading the gospel , growing the game stuff" while simultaneously not promoting what is a very competitive competition in the Joe McDonagh cup and openly ridiculing the finalists or patronising everybody involved .
Maybe the key the whole thing is marketing the Joe McDonagh Cup has a highly competitive competition where just about anybody can win it and the big six can go away and play the Liam McCarthy . Maybe the GAA should market that ..... I'd watch it.
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Post by Joxer on May 23, 2022 14:10:16 GMT
Do the McDonagh Cup winners play 3rd team in Munster? Is it not a bit lopsided and unfair! Imo the 3rd team in Leinster is weaker than 3rd team in Munster. Please forgive my small ball ignorance. Kerry are in the final for 2022. Does our competitive year for 2022 stop then. or do we progress in this years Liam McCarthy run in 2022 via some perverse route.. are are you all talking about 2023 as a result of our exploits this year? Hermit, If Kerry win the McDonogh cup, they will play Cork in the next round of the McCarthy Cup/ A.I. series. If they lose to Antrim in the McDonogh Cup Final, Kerry will play Wexford in the next round of the McCarthy cup. My understanding is that in the event that Kerry win the McDonogh Cup, they will also play a Relegation/Promotion decider against Tipp who finished bottom of the round-robin series in Munster this year. Kerry are the only county for whom this relegation/promotion decider would be played. If any of Antrim/Down/Offaly/Carlow or Meath were to win the McDonogh Cup, they get automatic promotion into the Leinster Championship next year. As one would apparently hate to weaken the Munster Championship by allowing Kerry in, they must play off to earn the right granted automatically to others. What the issue would be in allowing Kerry to enter the Leinster Championship if they are successful is beyond me as after all, with Galway already playing Leinster and Antrim & Down eligible for direct entry if/when they win the McDonogh cup, the Leinster Championship is more of a Rest of Ireland Championship than a Leinster Provincial. Understanding the soft egos of the 5 established Munster Hurling 'giants' and not wishing to harm them, one can be sure if the unthinkable happened and Kerry win the McDonogh Cup and go on to beat Tipp in a play-off, the Munster Championship will very quickly be expanded to 6 counties and Tipp will not be relegated!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 23, 2022 14:26:42 GMT
Please forgive my small ball ignorance. Kerry are in the final for 2022. Does our competitive year for 2022 stop then. or do we progress in this years Liam McCarthy run in 2022 via some perverse route.. are are you all talking about 2023 as a result of our exploits this year? Hermit, If Kerry win the McDonogh cup, they will play Cork in the next round of the McCarthy Cup/ A.I. series. If they lose to Antrim in the McDonogh Cup Final, Kerry will play Wexford in the next round of the McCarthy cup. My understanding is that in the event that Kerry win the McDonogh Cup, they will also play a Relegation/Promotion decider against Tipp who finished bottom of the round-robin series in Munster this year. Kerry are the only county for whom this relegation/promotion decider would be played. If any of Antrim/Down/Offaly/Carlow or Meath were to win the McDonogh Cup, they get automatic promotion into the Leinster Championship next year. As one would apparently hate to weaken the Munster Championship by allowing Kerry in, they must play off to earn the right granted automatically to others. What the issue would be in allowing Kerry to enter the Leinster Championship if they are successful is beyond me as after all, with Galway already playing Leinster and Antrim & Down eligible for direct entry if/when they win the McDonogh cup, the Leinster Championship is more of a Rest of Ireland Championship than a Leinster Provincial. Understanding the soft egos of the 5 established Munster Hurling 'giants' and not wishing to harm them, one can be sure if the unthinkable happened and Kerry win the McDonogh Cup and go on to beat Tipp in a play-off, the Munster Championship will very quickly be expanded to 6 counties and Tipp will not be relegated! Fact on a 6 team Munster... but I think given the strength of Munster hurling a playoff makes more sense vs Leinster. In general the hurling format is outstanding. I wonder should the Joe McD get automatic promotion and the runner up get a play off?
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Post by horsebox77 on May 23, 2022 15:19:33 GMT
Please forgive my small ball ignorance. Kerry are in the final for 2022. Does our competitive year for 2022 stop then. or do we progress in this years Liam McCarthy run in 2022 via some perverse route.. are are you all talking about 2023 as a result of our exploits this year? Hermit, If Kerry win the McDonogh cup, they will play Cork in the next round of the McCarthy Cup/ A.I. series. If they lose to Antrim in the McDonogh Cup Final, Kerry will play Wexford in the next round of the McCarthy cup. My understanding is that in the event that Kerry win the McDonogh Cup, they will also play a Relegation/Promotion decider against Tipp who finished bottom of the round-robin series in Munster this year. Kerry are the only county for whom this relegation/promotion decider would be played. If any of Antrim/Down/Offaly/Carlow or Meath were to win the McDonogh Cup, they get automatic promotion into the Leinster Championship next year. As one would apparently hate to weaken the Munster Championship by allowing Kerry in, they must play off to earn the right granted automatically to others. What the issue would be in allowing Kerry to enter the Leinster Championship if they are successful is beyond me as after all, with Galway already playing Leinster and Antrim & Down eligible for direct entry if/when they win the McDonogh cup, the Leinster Championship is more of a Rest of Ireland Championship than a Leinster Provincial. Understanding the soft egos of the 5 established Munster Hurling 'giants' and not wishing to harm them, one can be sure if the unthinkable happened and Kerry win the McDonogh Cup and go on to beat Tipp in a play-off, the Munster Championship will very quickly be expanded to 6 counties and Tipp will not be relegated! Thanks Joser, I couldn't get my head around it.
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Post by legendz on May 23, 2022 15:40:24 GMT
Hermit, If Kerry win the McDonogh cup, they will play Cork in the next round of the McCarthy Cup/ A.I. series. If they lose to Antrim in the McDonogh Cup Final, Kerry will play Wexford in the next round of the McCarthy cup. My understanding is that in the event that Kerry win the McDonogh Cup, they will also play a Relegation/Promotion decider against Tipp who finished bottom of the round-robin series in Munster this year. Kerry are the only county for whom this relegation/promotion decider would be played. If any of Antrim/Down/Offaly/Carlow or Meath were to win the McDonogh Cup, they get automatic promotion into the Leinster Championship next year. As one would apparently hate to weaken the Munster Championship by allowing Kerry in, they must play off to earn the right granted automatically to others. What the issue would be in allowing Kerry to enter the Leinster Championship if they are successful is beyond me as after all, with Galway already playing Leinster and Antrim & Down eligible for direct entry if/when they win the McDonogh cup, the Leinster Championship is more of a Rest of Ireland Championship than a Leinster Provincial. Understanding the soft egos of the 5 established Munster Hurling 'giants' and not wishing to harm them, one can be sure if the unthinkable happened and Kerry win the McDonogh Cup and go on to beat Tipp in a play-off, the Munster Championship will very quickly be expanded to 6 counties and Tipp will not be relegated! Fact on a 6 team Munster... but I think given the strength of Munster hurling a playoff makes more sense vs Leinster. In general the hurling format is outstanding. I wonder should the Joe McD get automatic promotion and the runner up get a play off? If Tipperary did happen to be relegated, it would damage the integrity of the championship if they don't take their medicine like Offaly. There would be a quick change however to ensure that they would not require a playoff to get back up. Allowing Munster or Leinster to have a 6th team decided by the McDonagh winner, is not a complicated logic and is the only fair solution.
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Post by mossie on May 23, 2022 16:44:53 GMT
Look a few Kerry football analysts have had a pop off Cork football in recent years and the state of it on TV and print media and a skelp at the cork county board in the process is that any different to what Donal Og Cusack did today? maybe you hold the same view of them Kerry analyst as you do Donal Og? Donal Og should have been more balanced I accept He didnt acknowledge any of the progress made which grates me and if the board are to be blamed for things well then they must get the nod for good things too but look there are matters to be addressed where hurling in kerry needs to get fairer play to allow it to push on. You wont win friends by saying it though. Those close to the scene know what I am talking about. I will leave it at that Mossie , I can assure you that I was equally dismayed when some Kerry analysts made dismissive and indeed offensive comments about Cork football. I and indeed commented on that matter in this forum at the time. Pat Spillane was one of the chief offenders with the result that I do not read his articles any more. Now, you do suggest that Kerry hurling is not getting as much support from the County Board as it needs. I am disappointed to hear that but I am not in a position to agree with or refute that contention. The only thing I can say is that all the recent county hurling managers have expressed their gratitude for the help and co-operation they have received from our administration. However, I don’t think it is fair to throw out an allegation like that and then refuse to elaborate with specific details. I cannot understand your reluctance to do so. A Kerry GAA Officer posts on this forum and I am sure he would be interested , as indeed we all would, in reading about your grievances and addressing them to the best of his ability. Perhaps , you will take time to do that as, unlike Mr . Cusack, your knowledge of and passion for Kerry hurling is obvious. Re your 2nd paragraph, I concur that the Kerry senior hurling team is very well looked after by the board and senior managers are on record in this regard as you say. I wouldnt for a second criticise the board on that front. The board do not penny pinch re the hurlers. lets be frank, hurling is the second code in the county and our board do financially support them. Other counties where hurling is the second code are not so lucky My concerns are not on the financial side , I would rather not debate it out here what they are , they have been raised by hurling people through the formal channels more than once.
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Post by mossie on May 23, 2022 17:02:46 GMT
I dont know of any football parish in Ireland (i mean where football is the dominant game) that hurling has been successfully grown from scratch. By successful i mean to be on a par with football. The Parnells thing is unique and it will be interesting to see what develops when the best hurlers are needed by the various football clubs. MickMack I believe Mullinahone in Tipp the home of John Leahy and Eoin Kelly was predominately football and hurling was only fitted in around football until John Leahy ignited a hurling fire when he came on the Tipperary hurling scene. it is the other way around now! The people involved in Parnells deserve massive praise for their vision, hard work and success to date. However, with the population of Tralee, the fact that is on top of the north kerry hurling clubs, north kerry hurling people living in Tralee and the fact that there was a tradition of hurling in Tralee gave a great chance of hurling taking off in the club if the right people were at the helm which they are The original Tralee Parnells club at the start of the last century won county senior hurling titles, Austin Stacks had an outstanding hurling team in the late 1960s early 1970s and lost senior county finals, Stacks won a minor hurling title in 1986 and had a very good senior team into the 1990s. The great John Joe Sheehy of kerry football fame was a Railway Cup hurler with Munster, his son Niall played dual for Kerry for years, John Barry Stacks was a great kerry hurler, Martin McKivergan was a key player for the kerry hurlers that beat Waterford in 1993. Tralee people always loved tipping into Austin Stack Park to watch the big club matches. As you say in your last paragraph , expect the dual side of things to be challenging, but the Ardfert, Lixnaw\Finuge, Crotta\Senans, Ballyduff lads play both
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Post by hurlingman on May 23, 2022 17:27:08 GMT
The worst thing about the hurling analysis is all the " best game in the world" " where would you get it" "let it flow" "mans game" "no cynicism" nonsense they come out with . Football has issues defining and interpreting the tackle but Hurling is ridiculous presently , frontal challenges , hurleys around the neck and a host of other stuff . On top of it all you have this constant " spreading the gospel , growing the game stuff" while simultaneously not promoting what is a very competitive competition in the Joe McDonagh cup and openly ridiculing the finalists or patronising everybody involved. Few things bug me more when I see people go on like that about hurling. It seems to have gotten worse in recent years as well imo. Listening to likes of Donal Og and Jackie Tyrell justifying dirty play as "being part of the game" is one of the most cringey things in the GAA.
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Post by hurlingman on May 23, 2022 17:30:21 GMT
I dont know of any football parish in Ireland (i mean where football is the dominant game) that hurling has been successfully grown from scratch. By successful i mean to be on a par with football. The Parnells thing is unique and it will be interesting to see what develops when the best hurlers are needed by the various football clubs. Well it's happened in Daugh but probably not on par with football. How much longer they'll keep going is another story however.
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Post by mossie on May 23, 2022 20:47:45 GMT
I dont know of any football parish in Ireland (i mean where football is the dominant game) that hurling has been successfully grown from scratch. By successful i mean to be on a par with football. The Parnells thing is unique and it will be interesting to see what develops when the best hurlers are needed by the various football clubs. Well it's happened in Daugh but probably not on par with football. How much longer they'll keep going is another story however. Duagh havent fielded an underage hurling team in over 10 years and adult team conceded walkovers recently. not looking good to survive
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Post by Mickmack on May 23, 2022 21:08:40 GMT
Few things bug me more when I see people go on like that about hurling. It seems to have gotten worse in recent years as well imo. Listening to likes of Donal Og and Jackie Tyrell justifying dirty play as "being part of the game" is one of the most cringey things in the GAA. My problem with hurling is that it's so much easier to score nowadays with the lighter sloitar that alot of the big individual clashes don't materialise like the battle in the square between the ff and fb. Also the great half backs fielding a ball and lashing it up the field to a roar of the crowd. Now the sliotar tracbvels too far. While of course scores are entertaining i mean teams are scoring over 30 points regularly. That would never happen years ago and while it's all about the scoreboard I miss some of those individual battles. The Ciarán Careys the Tony Keadys the doubling of the ball. The John Fenton. Oh those were the days I agree with you. The ball travels too far now. A point from 80 yards was a wonder one time. The reason TG4 is such a joy is that there is no analsis by egos. Micheal oDomhnaill may conduct a brief chat on the sideline but thats it then.
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Post by mossie on May 23, 2022 21:15:10 GMT
Few things bug me more when I see people go on like that about hurling. It seems to have gotten worse in recent years as well imo. Listening to likes of Donal Og and Jackie Tyrell justifying dirty play as "being part of the game" is one of the most cringey things in the GAA. My problem with hurling is that it's so much easier to score nowadays with the lighter sloitar that alot of the big individual clashes don't materialise like the battle in the square between the ff and fb. Also the great half backs fielding a ball and lashing it up the field to a roar of the crowd. Now the sliotar tracbvels too far. While of course scores are entertaining i mean teams are scoring over 30 points regularly. That would never happen years ago and while it's all about the scoreboard I miss some of those individual battles. The Ciarán Careys the Tony Keadys the doubling of the ball. The John Fenton. Oh those were the days The individuals battles are gone and more the pity
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Post by Mickmack on May 23, 2022 22:20:34 GMT
With regard to the hurling championship having a limited number of contenders and its ultimate failure to broaden its competitive base I think the problems are a lot deeper than Kerry , Westmeath , Carlow and Antrim . Frankly upon review the likes of Wexford are still really uncompetitive , they are miles ahead of us but does anyone really think they have a chance of winning the AI ? No . Waterford haven't won a championship since the 50s , how many round robin matches have Waterford won ? I think its one more than Kerry presently . We could keep going here , Dublin have made structural changes and made every club play the game and it has brought them some success ( 1 national league and a Leinster Championship ) but that's probably over ten years ago now. Laois , Offaly and Carlow are largely in the same space as us , small playing bases with dominant neighbours . The total irony is that the likes of Kerry, Westmeath, Carlow, Antrim are higher achievers in hurling than the likes of Cork, Dublin, Waterford Wexford if you were to judge level of performance vis a vis playing population. The likes of Kerry, Carlow and Westmeath are not far off being 'the best they can be' given the pick they have. No way could anyone say that Cork, Waterford, Wexford and Dublin are anything near being 'the best they can be'.
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Post by hurlingman on May 24, 2022 13:55:57 GMT
Few things bug me more when I see people go on like that about hurling. It seems to have gotten worse in recent years as well imo. Listening to likes of Donal Og and Jackie Tyrell justifying dirty play as "being part of the game" is one of the most cringey things in the GAA. My problem with hurling is that it's so much easier to score nowadays with the lighter sloitar that alot of the big individual clashes don't materialise like the battle in the square between the ff and fb. Also the great half backs fielding a ball and lashing it up the field to a roar of the crowd. Now the sliotar tracbvels too far. While of course scores are entertaining i mean teams are scoring over 30 points regularly. That would never happen years ago and while it's all about the scoreboard I miss some of those individual battles. The Ciarán Careys the Tony Keadys the doubling of the ball. The John Fenton. Oh those were the days The high scoring gives the idea of the game being more skilled now than in the past. How often in recent years do you see a keeper give a shout puck out and the player puts it over from 80/90 metres. I read somewhere that when Clare won the All Ireland in 95 Jamesie O Connor was their top scorer in the championship with I think 17 points. In a recent Munster championship game, maybe two years ago, Tony Kelly scored 17 in a single game.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 1:24:34 GMT
To my untrained eye it seems to me that the average inter county hurler is much bigger physically and especially in the upper body ie arms, chest than your average inter county footballer. Hurlers do need not to be as mobile and cover the pitch the way footballers do. This as others have said means the ball is being stroked over the bar from 80 yards out and makes the game less interesting and challenging.
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Post by Joxer on May 25, 2022 10:23:52 GMT
I was listening to the Examiner podcast this week again on hurling. Its normally a good listen...more asking to a bar room chat than serious analysis and discussion but enjoyable as these things can be. The elitist hurling thing is never too far below the surface...with Anthony Daly who obviously doesn't remember the days when Clare were as he said 'the whipping boys' of Munster. Football is learning from hurling apparently by bringing in tiers. Football never imposed a glass ceiling on anyone outside the traditional top counties. He lauds (rightly) the hurling tiers but knowing that Kerry for example have not only to win the tier they are in but then would have to play a relegation/promotion game against one of the traditional top counties. Ensure the glass ceiling stays in place! Another discussion then about senior players not being able to play U-20....that's something that was foisted on hurling by football apparently (according to Daly) and in particular it was brought in to protect David Clifford! If these guys were any further up their a***, it couldn't be any darker. Switched it off after that and moved on to a politics podcast. Blood pressure still rising
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Post by thehermit on May 25, 2022 11:31:49 GMT
The holier than though stuff from the wielders of the Ash can be hard to stomach alright and I say that as someone born and bred in a hurling first area.
Its true that there's no game like hurling on the planet but its also true to say a lot of the skills and traditions of the game have been allowed wither and die and the current nonsense of 30+ scores a team and hitting a point from anywhere on the pitch is making the sport a bit of a mockery.
No as much as I love my hurling, its still not the sport Gaelic football can be when two well matched attacking teams go at each other hell for leather.
A Kerry team in full flow in Killarney with the summer sun on their backs, I'll take that over Limerick or Kilkenny in their pomp any day.
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Post by Joxer on May 25, 2022 12:12:39 GMT
The holier than though stuff from the wielders of the Ash can be hard to stomach alright and I say that as someone born and bred in a hurling first area. Its true that there's no game like hurling on the planet but its also true to say a lot of the skills and traditions of the game have been allowed wither and die and the current nonsense of 30+ scores a team and hitting a point from anywhere on the pitch is making the sport a bit of a mockery. No as much as I love my hurling, its still not the sport Gaelic football can be when two well matched attacking teams go at each other hell for leather. A Kerry team in full flow in Killarney with the summer sun on their backs, I'll take that over Limerick or Kilkenny in their pomp any day. 100%
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Post by Mickmack on May 25, 2022 13:57:22 GMT
Football is learning from hurling apparently by bringing in tiers. The round robins in the Liam McCarthy cup were introduced for no reason other that the fact that Football had brought in the super 8s. Leaving the unique 'Kerry qualification issue' to one side, it is hard to see how the championship format in hurling could be improved upon. Every county gets a number of games against their equals, a potential final in Croker and promotion prospects to the next tier albeit the gap between the Joe Mac and Liam McCarthy is huge. The hurling league is a farce but sin sceil eile. I think the Tailteann Cup needs to be replaced by 3 separate competitions in football... each group of 5 or 6 teams would be in a round robin and run them exactly like the Meagher, Ring and McDonagh competitions are. Maybe there are valid reasons why this wont work but the concept of playing against your peers and moving up to the next level is shown to work well
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Post by hurlingman on May 25, 2022 14:35:12 GMT
I was listening to the Examiner podcast this week again on hurling. Its normally a good listen...more asking to a bar room chat than serious analysis and discussion but enjoyable as these things can be. The elitist hurling thing is never too far below the surface...with Anthony Daly who obviously doesn't remember the days when Clare were as he said 'the whipping boys' of Munster. Football is learning from hurling apparently by bringing in tiers. Football never imposed a glass ceiling on anyone outside the traditional top counties. He lauds (rightly) the hurling tiers but knowing that Kerry for example have not only to win the tier they are in but then would have to play a relegation/promotion game against one of the traditional top counties. Ensure the glass ceiling stays in place! Another discussion then about senior players not being able to play U-20....that's something that was foisted on hurling by football apparently (according to Daly) and in particular it was brought in to protect David Clifford! If these guys were any further up their a***, it couldn't be any darker. Switched it off after that and moved on to a politics podcast. Blood pressure still rising There are few sports where the mention of change of any sort is met with such push back than hurling. I mean you only have to look at the complaints about changing the colour of the ball. If a lot of hurling folk had their way there wouldn't even be a ref so the game can "flow". I often wonder what they're so afraid of with teams making a brake though? Since Sean Kelly was president everyone since has tried their best to stop teams progressing. Having endless play offs to get promoted, changing their minds then if a top team gets into trouble.
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Post by kerryexile5 on May 25, 2022 16:04:15 GMT
Hurlers do need not to be as mobile and cover the pitch the way footballers do. I would agree with this part. Football is now very much based on how much ground you can cover now as an athlete, GPS stats etc. Some lads go through a football match now without actually kicking a ball. Break a tackle, handpass the ball and repeat x 15. I am not expecting much better when Kerry play Limerick in the upcoming Munster final.
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Post by Mickmack on May 25, 2022 21:41:39 GMT
Hurlers do need not to be as mobile and cover the pitch the way footballers do. Some lads go through a football match now without actually kicking a ball. Break a tackle, handpass the ball and repeat x 15. This is the main reason why football takes over eventually in a dual club in my opinion.
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Post by hurlingman on May 27, 2022 16:05:38 GMT
So the CB haven't been able to find an "affordable" hotel for the hurlers for the final. Were quoted between €13 and €15k. Prices have obviously gone mental etc but they've pre booked a hotel for €13k for the footballers for a game they've not even qualified for yet!
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Post by thepromisedland on May 27, 2022 19:58:33 GMT
So the CB haven't been able to find an "affordable" hotel for the hurlers for the final. Were quoted between €13 and €15k. Prices have obviously gone mental etc but they've pre booked a hotel for €13k for the footballers for a game they've not even qualified for yet! I would fully concur hurlingman, not fair, nor right, but the football is way more preditable from our perspective than the hurling, I see your point though, you are right, as this was factually called out on RTE news in relation to unavailability to our hurlers. The IHF Irish Hotels Federation's response that this will " wash itself out" is laughable, I can understand the impact of the war in Ukraine by driving up certain things, but not to the detent of price gouging which is now going on, the government flagged this two weeks ago. Hotels, particularly in Dublin, doing what they do best, ripping people off, they should be passing on the 9% VAT rate in which they are not, Hotels nationwide are at this craic, which is why I will be boycotting all Hotels in Éire until this issue is addressed, somebody needs to pull rank with them. Fair is fair.
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Post by Mickmack on May 27, 2022 20:25:47 GMT
It has been known for months that the QF and SF in football are on set dates.
It is very surprising to learn that KCC are only booking hotels now for those two fixtures. They can always be cancelled.
The hurlers were not expected to qualify after losing to Down. They qualified last saturday at around 3pm. I understand that when the players families were being quoted huge prices for rooms the players decided to head away home that night too. Sensible choice i feel.
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Post by thepromisedland on May 27, 2022 20:51:17 GMT
It has been known for months that the QF and SF in football are on set dates. It is very surprising to learn that KCC are only booking hotels now for those two fixtures. They can always be cancelled. The hurlers were not expected to qualify after losing to Down. They qualified last saturday at around 3pm. I understand that when the players families were being quoted huge prices for rooms the players decided to head away home that night too. Sensible choice i feel. Absolutely 💯 I agree, just the wider issue I was stating I guess, unavailability more than anything. No point in stressing about situation like that beyond our control. You are right Mickmack, sensible choice. We're lucky to have an airport.
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