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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 7, 2016 16:21:17 GMT
Disappointing there isn't an electronic clock to go with the electronic scoreboard.
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Post by jackiel on Mar 7, 2016 16:29:28 GMT
I've been reading a lot and thinking a lot about yesterday's match. First trip to Tralee, wont be my last. I'd travelled more in hope than expectation after Donegal v Mayo last week versus our victory against a very poor Down team. The niggling started at throw in and I felt Eddie Kinsella failed to lay down a marker straight away, players saw this and let rip. I didn't see the Magee/Fitzgerald incident til I saw video clips this morning(nasty stuff), forgot to tape the match so will try and get on the RTE player. Eddie made some strange decisions in both directions I felt, at least one definite black card earned a yellow. this whole black card rule seems to mean different things to different people. Some of our lads were lucky to finish out the match I felt, we need to be more disciplined and stop getting involved in needless scraps. We had Donegal rattled no mistake but we could so easily have lost one or two vital players through indiscipline. We will be punished for this in the championship. Donegal's runner must have been knackered last night, he spent more time on the pitch than off it. I was disappointed to see Ryan McHugh feign injury on the stand side line just before half time, he'd been fouled but not slapped in the face/head and he was rolling around on the ground with a medic "treating" him for a few minutes. Another Donegal player tried diving but Eddie was up to him and didn't let him away with it. I've read a lot of comment on the match from Donegal and other Northern fans today, I honestly don't think they were at the same match, Donegal were every bit as guilty as Kerry of cynicism & nastiness, if not more so. I'm sick and tired of the chip on the shoulder attitude that seems to pervade their posts. On a positive note we came away with the points, Bryan's free-taking was sublime, great to see Darran & Gooch flying it again. Donnchadh Walsh was excellent, the man covers so much ground and seems to have a sixth sense for being in the right place at the right time. I hope to see a lot more of Brendan O Sullivan who show's great promise. Crowley's goal was the icing on the cake. I travelled back to Meath with a good friend who's a Donegal supporter, at least one of us was happy.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Mar 7, 2016 16:32:23 GMT
Donegal came to the home of football with the idea that they could bully Kerry like they had previous opposition, it was never likely to happen. Kerry have learned their fill from Armagh, Tyrone, and more recently Donegal over the last 15 years. I just don't think Gallagher is getting the best out of them, wonder what Donegalman thinks? More emphasis on football needed perhaps...........
To some extent I can understand where Donegal are coming from, they are desperate to get back to where they were in 2012, and to some extent 2014. In those days they were able to dictate games but all that changed especially since the 2014 final. I think they are displaying the efforts of a team/group trying to force their way back to the top, and frustration at times that they are not able to dominate or dictate games the way they were.
The game has changed now and beating Kerry and others involves the need for more pro-active tactics, especially since Donegal's defense is no longer the fortress it was. I also think Murphy cuts a very frustrated figure, I'm sure he longs to be a forward who can concentrate mostly on simple attacking roles, instead of the crap tactics he has been enduring with less and less success. For neutrals it's a shame to see a player who could easily be the best in the game in a central half, full or even roaming forward role not given the opportunity.
If I was Donegal players I would challenge Gallagher big-time asap, if the will is there, before another year is wasted. It will have to await the outcome of the league. If Gallagher's tactics get Donegal to a final and especially win it then they may well prove me wrong. I feel though that the wheel has turned now from the reasons why Donegal changed their style so radically in the first place, the time has come to go back nearly to what they knew, only to do it smarter, of course.
Bryan Sheehan seems to have refound his mojo with the long placed kicks, that one into the wind near the end that curled over from the 'wrong' side was a thing of beauty
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 7, 2016 17:16:35 GMT
Maybe the root of it was Rory trying to prove he could do what Jim couldn't, and it would certainly have improved his standing? His animated decorum suggests it and such initiatives always backfire as you are putting barriers in front of you where none existed.
Having seen Donegal v Mayo in the flesh a short week ago I can't believe we put 5 between us, next Sunday is the final piece in that jigsaw where home advantage is trending, well with the exception of Dublin in Castlebar.
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Post by wayupnorth on Mar 7, 2016 18:22:02 GMT
Disappointing there isn't an electronic clock to go with the electronic scoreboard. I think there is a clock to the left of the scores but it wasn't switched on,
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Post by dabomber on Mar 7, 2016 19:15:45 GMT
Anyone feel that Donaghy looks a lot more mobile this year compared to others when he's been out around the middle?
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 7, 2016 19:54:25 GMT
My outstanding memory of the first pitched battle is of Doncha Walsh emerging from the scrum and angrily pointing at a retreating Leo McLoone. Nobody can accuse Doncha of being a scut and I have feeling that he was not remonstrating with Leo for any offence the latter committed against Doncha himself but rather what the Donegal man may have done to another opponent. Poor old Marc emerged with a bloody face. Perpetrator? I have no evidence to say that Leo was the culprit but I will say that over the course of the next fifteen/twenty he did his best to earn a card, or a couple. The referee eventually obliged him with a straight red. McLoone had Marc by the throat on the ground and Sheehan came in and rescued Marc. Marc got up in a very irate manner and jumped on McLoone. A few seconds later Marc is heading away from McLoone. McLoone then walks up behind him. There seems to be a fist to Marcs face from behind. Marcs head is thrown backbacks by the belt. Donnacha is incensed and runs after McLoone.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 7, 2016 19:59:06 GMT
Does anyone else think that its ridiculous to bring on Colm if he is going to play in defense. Why not bring on a defender? Colm isnt a first cousin of a defender.
Colm is in better fettle than in 2015 when he clearly wasnt any where near right. He should hang around between midfield and the D and pull the strings and kick a few points which is his forte. Or else stay in the inside line.
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Post by buck02 on Mar 7, 2016 19:59:22 GMT
Brendan Deveanny on Newstalk now putting the blame on Kerry for starting it all. Saying it was premeditated by Kerry and Donegal simply responded in kind.
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Post by buck02 on Mar 7, 2016 20:04:05 GMT
Does anyone else think that its ridiculous to bring on Colm if he is going to play in defense. Why not bring on a defender? Colm isnt a first cousin of a defender. Colm is in better fettle than in 2015 when he clearly wasnt any where near right. He should hang around between midfield and the D and pull the strings and kick a few points which is his forte. Or else stay in the inside line. At one stage in the 2nd half Donegal were attacking and Gooch had followed a man back. He passed his man onto Mahony and then I heard something which made he a little bit ill. Brian Kelly shouted "Protect the D, Gooch" which Gooch did. That few seconds encapsulated many things about the game that I dislike.
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Post by homerj on Mar 7, 2016 20:25:46 GMT
tactics in the first half were shocking yesterday by the way. gale force breeze with us and we insisted on 14 behind the ball for large periods of it.
there was one "attack" when fionn fiz got the ball in front of the stand and was our furthest man forward.
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Post by falveyb2k on Mar 7, 2016 21:11:09 GMT
Brendan Deveanny on Newstalk now putting the blame on Kerry for starting it all. Saying it was premeditated by Kerry and Donegal simply responded in kind. He made a fool of himself, although so did the newstalk presenters in that they admitted they didn't watch the game or any of the incidents. What's the point in an interview if you have nothing to ask the man and just give him a free biased reign?
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Post by fenit67 on Mar 7, 2016 21:38:53 GMT
Forgive me my brethern but I was looking at what passes for critical thought on H*********d and the one-eyed nature of many participants beggars belief. A large amount of the bias comes from Ulster posters but there are also many posters from the same province who support proper process and view events objectively.
There were many who laid the blame squarely on Kerry's shoulders whilst portraying the boys from county Ulster as being hard done by; poor us, poor us, poor us! Now these same bucks are well able to hand it out but when it is handed back to them they * endlessly. Kerry reacted over the years to provocation but it was each player ploughing his own furrow with a few exceptions.
I texted a friend after 5 minutes yesterday and said that Donegal were not there to play football but Kerry were more than willing to accommodate their visitors wishes. A few observations come to mind;
1. Kieran Donaghy could be very effective on the "40" as he seems to be leaner; whether he needs to be more mobile depends upon his acolytes 2. Alan Fitzgerald sent a message to every full-back in the country 3. We have lost some of our brittle nature 4. We need a second free-taker. Brian Sheehan gave a virtuoso display of dead ball artistry and his free on 54 minutes was breathtaking. However he is often substituted which means that teams can defend closer to their goal in the full knowledge that we don't have another free-taker. 5. A fellow poster (I can't remember whom) said that Mark Griffin is not a full-back but could be a number 6. I agree with this as he was very impressive when he ran forward and is not afraid of anybody and perhaps feels a little short changed stoking the boiler rather than controlling the steam.
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Post by donegalman on Mar 7, 2016 21:49:06 GMT
Well Mr Rashers, I think that he is getting good football out of them. I was at the Cork game and although Cork were terrible, we played great football, so there is no issue with potential.
I managed to bring myself to watching the game again today. I have to say that as ugly as it was, I would not say that donegal came down with a plan to rub Kerry up the wrong way. I think that the entire tone of the game was set by the first incident involving our team captain being dangerously flung to the ground ufc style. The rest of the game was an ugly mess, punctuated by Sheehan's fine scores. I am disgusted that our seasoned players behaved in the way that they did, and that our line did likewise. I was not at the game, but have no reason to disbelieve the accounts from the stands on here about the antics of our manager. Diving likewise, or goading players to react and then going down or pointing to the ref is not what people should be paying into see. I am curious as to what happened our full forward martin Reilly who was blood substituted in the 2nd half. This game was like an international rules test that we all remember for the wrong reasons about 10 years ago.
The ref got it wrong early days too. He should have black carded or red carded Donaghy and perhaps a donegal player who was first in on top in the melee. That might have sorted heads out early days. But it wasnt, and controlling the game was thus like trying to keep the tide out with a fork. I read somewhere that kerry played 3 games without incident this year before this match. Likewise is the case with our own lads. There would have been no plan to spoil before the game in either camp. We had nothing to gain from getting 2 points in the game.
I really hope that if we manage to meet later on this year that it will be water under the bridge. If the gets as bad as it was yesterday on a consistent level, then it is something that no one will be playing never mind paying into in the future.
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Post by Premier on Mar 7, 2016 22:06:21 GMT
Well Mr Rashers, I think that he is getting good football out of them. I was at the Cork game and although Cork were terrible, we played great football, so there is no issue with potential. I managed to bring myself to watching the game again today. I have to say that as ugly as it was, I would not say that donegal came down with a plan to rub Kerry up the wrong way. I think that the entire tone of the game was set by the first incident involving our team captain being dangerously flung to the ground ufc style. The rest of the game was an ugly mess, punctuated by Sheehan's fine scores. I am disgusted that our seasoned players behaved in the way that they did, and that our line did likewise. I was not at the game, but have no reason to disbelieve the accounts from the stands on here about the antics of our manager. Diving likewise, or goading players to react and then going down or pointing to the ref is not what people should be paying into see. I am curious as to what happened our full forward martin Reilly who was blood substituted in the 2nd half. This game was like an international rules test that we all remember for the wrong reasons about 10 years ago. The ref got it wrong early days too. He should have black carded or red carded Donaghy and perhaps a donegal player who was first in on top in the melee. That might have sorted heads out early days. But it wasnt, and controlling the game was thus like trying to keep the tide out with a fork. I read somewhere that kerry played 3 games without incident this year before this match. Likewise is the case with our own lads. There would have been no plan to spoil before the game in either camp. We had nothing to gain from getting 2 points in the game. I really hope that if we manage to meet later on this year that it will be water under the bridge. If the gets as bad as it was yesterday on a consistent level, then it is something that no one will be playing never mind paying into in the future. Does Rory Kavanagh have experience in acting in such an aggressive manner on the sideline? With regard to Donaghy, he could arguably have gotten a black for that incident but McLoone was the 3rd man in piling in over the top of Donaghy. A red card there would have sorted all the nonsense.. How many of us have ever gone up for the toss in a game and the ref says '3rd man in is sent off' yet it never materialises because the act itself isn't a strike or dangerous play so they chicken out of the decision
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Post by peanuts on Mar 7, 2016 22:18:39 GMT
Donaghy pulling Murphy to the ground was pretty much the same as what Bastick did to him in the league game in Killarney last year. Bastick got a black card that day, rightly so in my opinion but it was later rescinded.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 7, 2016 22:39:20 GMT
Saw it again,
1. Did Paul Murphy work out at CHF?
2. With AM and DM back KD would cause havoc in the D if he maintains that level of mobility, and temperament?
3. Evan apart from the brill goal, there is something about Crowley that catches the eye, very natural.
4. Competition for places will be keen, BJK will always deliver, Darren rekindled, AO'M still a force, selection of goalies, that point of Sheehan's -I suppose if you can score from frees in the South Kerry Atlantic climate then you will convert anywhere, oh such an unfair advantage!
5. Kavanagh focusing on Bryan as opposed to the ball told the story of the game, as that made possible a vital link for the goal, as I said I thought Donegal were ahead of us and for us to win by 5 was massive, still we mixed it and we need to when faced with such scrappy physicality. Ref should have nailed it from the off and once he missed that beat then the inevitable happened.
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Post by G_S_J on Mar 7, 2016 22:46:35 GMT
A bit of football broke out here and there so I going to try and park the niggly stuff and look at that. Impossible task, but I'll leave out the McGee stuff anyway, all that needs to be said has, so I won't add to the echo chamber.
Donegal had the better of the early stages despite playing against that bitter gale, there was a period between the 5fth and 20th minute where they won every kick out and dictated play, though they didn't do much with it thanks to well drilled defense anchored by Aidan O'Mahony as sweeper.
Donaghy operated doing what Moran does quite a bit, that is dropping back and bringing the ball out with a handpass after it has been turned over by the defense. He was one of our better performers, but I doubt we'll see him in midfield often as soon as Moran and Maher are back.
Crowley in the 20th minute was the man to finally win a kick out off the opposition with a high bit of fielding no less. This ultimately lead to a Sheehan pointed free.
Enright's black card was spot on, it came in 23rd minute, he shouldered Murphy in the chest and hit the ground, Murphy tried to go over him and Enright pulled him down by the leg. Clear as day.
A correct black card, but if Eddie Kinsella had been refed it to letter of the law, both teams would have run out of replacements with the amount of body checks and third man tackles that were persistent from start to finish.
Our second black card of the day went to debutante, Denis Daly, 30 seconds after Enright. I didnt see what happened at the game and it appeared off camera, so I've no idea what he went for, it appears from looking at a few match reports very few people do.
As Daly trudged off the pitch, Fitzmaurice gave him the cold shoulder, nightmare debut for the poor fella.
I have to say O'Mahony doesn't come off the best for the sending off incident, with his arms out he charged at McCloon inviting a punch which he received. He then badgered the linesman, who called over the ref and duly sent off McLoon. It was underhanded and sneaky, we'd be up in arms if the shoe was other foot.
O'Mahony's day can be described with one phrase really and that is"* * up". Playing a pantomime villain, he used all his experience to just about keep himself on the pitch.
Do I condone his actions? No, Do I find them oddly entertaining? I do.
A key moment came at the end of the first half when Donaghy found himself with ample space to tip it over the bar, but he opted to handpass the ball into the square which may have worked out if his clone was on the end. The new centre excellence with help from the IT science lab might want to get cracking on it.
From that missed opportunity Donegal got the final point of the half from McFadden to leave it 7-3 at the break instead of 8-2. That swing kept Donegal in the game as far as I can see.
By the time the 42nd minute rolled round Donegal with the wind at their backs had scored six unanswered and were now level. To add to the worry, Kerry had hardly mustered a single attack in the second half.
Donaghy managed to atone for his earlier poor judgement by gambling on a run into space to setup Crowley for the goal.
Crowley being one of our harder nuts was well suited to the day. Donegal keeper seemed to jump out of his way as Peter charged at him, I wouldn't think twice about doing the same. Crowley looks like he's added a few kilos over the winter.
The goal was the turning point, Kerry outscored Donegal 0-6 to 0-1 from there on.
It was really this period where Donnchdh earned his TG4 motm award, before that it would have went to either Donaghy or Sheehan. On balance of the full 70 it was really those two who deserved it.
Donnchdh started the match with two early points, but dipped out of play for long stretches. This was down largely to the stop/start nature of the match.
One moment that stood out for me was in the second half when Donnchdh was floored on the ground with a Donegal man over him, he still managed to get up and break the tackle, showing the immense strength he has, along with all the other gifts he's blessed with. He did have to take a moment or two after it though, it took a few puffs out of him.
On Michael Murphy cutting a frustrated figure, I'd say Ryan McHugh fits that description as well. The chief role of arguably Donegal's two most exciting forwards is to start attacks, not finish them. There is something wrong with that I think as well.
A few other things, there is a clock on the new scoreboard but appears they couldnt quite get it going for the big re reopening, a few strongly worded letters perhaps if it's not going Wednesday night. I'm a great man for setting the stopwatch at throw in but my second half duties are almost always found wanting.
Can anyone tell me if they put in new goals as well? Because I've never seen the tops of the posts move so much, there was a time in the second half when it wasn't inconceivable one of them coming down such was the velocity of their movement.
Amazingly, with all their moving Donegal managed to hit them three times, Hawkeye could be an issue in Stacks Park.
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Post by donegalman on Mar 7, 2016 22:50:41 GMT
Premier, I covered Kavanagh's antics in my post, maybe not specifically what you are saying, but like I said, I have no reason to disbelieve accounts from the stands..especially if it concerns yesterday's game. Would the game have gone ugly if the first pile up didnt happen? I am sure it would have been very like last years encounter, but you can never know for sure. I would guess that the longer the game went on without incident, the better your chance of a sensible game.
But if your team captain is flattened the way he was, it is to lay down some sort of a marker for others to follow or take note. Thats exactly what happened. Donaghy gets a lot of very negative attention during a game, all through his career in fact. As does Murphy. It must be frustrating in the extreme. But that doesnt give you an open licence or a sense of entitlement to make your own laws either.
Lets see who learns what from yesterday. I think that we should abandon blind eyes, a forgiving 'boys will be boys' attitude, and actually employ some psychology to the situation as they have done in the rugby code to save their game from going down the toilet.
1 Black cards should be done away with and replaced with a 10 minute sin bin. No replacement player during the 10 minutes. 2 Automatic red for dangerously high challenges ie the clothes line tackle. 3 Refereeing by video evidence should be used ruthlessly during games. To hell with the attitude that it will disrupt the flow of the game. In time players will learn to behave as they will understand that they will be sanctioned. 4 Automatic yellow for a dive or feigned injury. Naming and shaming of players who do this (disqualification from all star and man of the match nominations would be a good starting point for sanction). 5 Automatic 10,000 euro fines for inter county teams for seriously bad match reports. Hurting someones pocket is the best way of getting a message out there. The penalty point system is a case in example of this. Our roads are a lot safer because we are not happy about paying fines for speeding as much as any other reason.
Short term pain for long term gain should be the attitude now. If games finish 7 aside rather than a ref being forced to balance the books, or save the spectacle of the game for the supporters, we will eventually finish in a better place and with a better game. (infinitely so).
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 7, 2016 22:58:53 GMT
Well Mr Rashers, I think that he is getting good football out of them. I was at the Cork game and although Cork were terrible, we played great football, so there is no issue with potential. I managed to bring myself to watching the game again today. I have to say that as ugly as it was, I would not say that donegal came down with a plan to rub Kerry up the wrong way. I think that the entire tone of the game was set by the first incident involving our team captain being dangerously flung to the ground ufc style. The rest of the game was an ugly mess, punctuated by Sheehan's fine scores. I am disgusted that our seasoned players behaved in the way that they did, and that our line did likewise. I was not at the game, but have no reason to disbelieve the accounts from the stands on here about the antics of our manager. Diving likewise, or goading players to react and then going down or pointing to the ref is not what people should be paying into see. I am curious as to what happened our full forward martin Reilly who was blood substituted in the 2nd half. This game was like an international rules test that we all remember for the wrong reasons about 10 years ago. The ref got it wrong early days too. He should have black carded or red carded Donaghy and perhaps a donegal player who was first in on top in the melee. That might have sorted heads out early days. But it wasnt, and controlling the game was thus like trying to keep the tide out with a fork. I read somewhere that kerry played 3 games without incident this year before this match. Likewise is the case with our own lads. There would have been no plan to spoil before the game in either camp. We had nothing to gain from getting 2 points in the game. I really hope that if we manage to meet later on this year that it will be water under the bridge. If the gets as bad as it was yesterday on a consistent level, then it is something that no one will be playing never mind paying into in the future. Murphy wouldnt release the ball and Donaghy flung him to the ground and it kicked off from there. A big "dust up" seldom results in injury if players square up to each other. It looks bad. However, Marc got hit from behind by a sucker punch which he couldnt see coming and this together with the attempth to dislocate or break Fitzgerals fingers are completely offside actions. Diarmuid Connolly got off a clear striking attempth last year when he punched the Mayo lad who was holding him down by the throat. I understand his defence was that he had to strike out to avoid being choked. I believe that Kerry should do right by Fitzgerald and appeal his red card. Throwing a few punches to the face of a guy that is trying to break your fingers is self defence, no more and no less. You would despair at where inter county football is going to end up. Thank God for the club game.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Mar 7, 2016 23:05:39 GMT
Well Mr Rashers, I think that he is getting good football out of them. I was at the Cork game and although Cork were terrible, we played great football, so there is no issue with potential. I managed to bring myself to watching the game again today. I have to say that as ugly as it was, I would not say that donegal came down with a plan to rub Kerry up the wrong way. I think that the entire tone of the game was set by the first incident involving our team captain being dangerously flung to the ground ufc style. The rest of the game was an ugly mess, punctuated by Sheehan's fine scores. I am disgusted that our seasoned players behaved in the way that they did, and that our line did likewise. I was not at the game, but have no reason to disbelieve the accounts from the stands on here about the antics of our manager. Diving likewise, or goading players to react and then going down or pointing to the ref is not what people should be paying into see. I am curious as to what happened our full forward martin Reilly who was blood substituted in the 2nd half. This game was like an international rules test that we all remember for the wrong reasons about 10 years ago. The ref got it wrong early days too. He should have black carded or red carded Donaghy and perhaps a donegal player who was first in on top in the melee. That might have sorted heads out early days. But it wasnt, and controlling the game was thus like trying to keep the tide out with a fork. I read somewhere that kerry played 3 games without incident this year before this match. Likewise is the case with our own lads. There would have been no plan to spoil before the game in either camp. We had nothing to gain from getting 2 points in the game. I really hope that if we manage to meet later on this year that it will be water under the bridge. If the gets as bad as it was yesterday on a consistent level, then it is something that no one will be playing never mind paying into in the future. Fair enough re-the football but I still say too often they want to prove they can win the scrap in order to play their football. I just don't think they need to do that anymore. They still have a cracking team of footballers. If the whole thing was down to the first incident why didn't Donegal ignore it and show their worth on the scoreboard? And if they couldn't, why not? They were top of the league, 3 wins, big scoring average. They should have been looking to take the game to Kerry, not get distracted, bogged down etc. You didn't address any of my other points
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Post by donegalman on Mar 7, 2016 23:36:02 GMT
Donegal came to the home of football with the idea that they could bully Kerry like they had previous opposition, it was never likely to happen. Kerry have learned their fill from Armagh, Tyrone, and more recently Donegal over the last 15 years. I just don't think Gallagher is getting the best out of them, wonder what Donegalman thinks? More emphasis on football needed perhaps...........
I am not going to rise for a cheap hook like that Rashers. You will have to use a better fly.
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Post by A.N. Other on Mar 7, 2016 23:56:31 GMT
Heard today that Marc O Se has a broken nose, anyone confirm this?
That was the sort of game we needed to win yesterday. We have been pushed over physically and bullied too often in the past. There's serious character in this team and it just shows what a difference a few weeks of training can make. We were close to being down and out two weeks ago.
Our panel is looking promising once again. No Maher, Moran, Geaney and James OD yesterday just to name a few, throw in a couple of under 21s, there is going to be serious competition come the Summer.
While it is hard to condemn what Alan Fitzgerald did, I would not blame him for doing it either. McGees behaviour was nasty. He should see a lengthy ban for it, but he won't. Both black cards we got were textbook black cards. Daly jumped onto his mans back to stop him from making the run. He was very lucky not to get caught a few minutes earlier.
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Post by G_S_J on Mar 8, 2016 0:24:51 GMT
It's bad when a fella is biased, but it's much worse when he has no clue his is being biased. Brendan Devenney on the match yesterday and his poor lambs in Donegal being picked on by the retched Kerry. He goes as far in the audio as saying that it was premeditated by Kerry management, serious accusation and baseless. No mention of McGee's sickening act either, unfortunately he was speaking with two lads who had not seen the game! www.newstalk.com/What-we-seen-was-a-load-of-bulls--Brendan-Devenney-reacts-to-Kerry-v-Donegal- Former Donegal forward Brendan Devenney says the black card in Gaelic football is "irrelevant" when it comes to the big teams as he reacted to the controversy between Kerry and Donegal yesterday. The Allianz League match was marred by two red cards and six yellow cards and an ill-tempered first half ended with both managers being summoned to the referee's dressing room. Devenney joined Off The Ball on tonight's show to give his take on what he saw. "It was pretty ugly but more kind of annoying ugly," he said, "What we seen was a load of bulls***, really." Devenny feels the referee should have came down hard on both teams early on to nip any trouble in the bud. "I really think, Eddie Kinsella, after those first two flare-ups - the one where Donaghy put Murphy down and that - he needed to pull in do the rugby job, pull in the two captains, players that are around him and say 'listen, any more scuffling, guys headlocking people, I'll start yellow carding you.'" He also added his sense that "the black card for big teams is irr
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Post by fitz on Mar 8, 2016 0:49:45 GMT
McGee's act was executed without any emotional reaction to another incident. Cold and calculated. Game was only 5 mins ffs. Ball was gone. Really nasty stuff. It must have hurt for Fitzgerald to instinctively start throwing punches. Had to go without question. McGee has a case to answer. Donaghy should have been carded for throwing Murphy.I'm not trying to condone Donaghy's actions but a lot of these melee type of situations arise from players not releasing the ball and deliberately blocking play and momentum. This should be a yellow card offence.
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Post by watchdebreakswillye on Mar 8, 2016 1:09:58 GMT
I thought we had done away with 21-a-side football about 100 years ago? Last Sunday, the game started with 15 a side. Let's presume all the players had stayed on the field to the end, I thought I’d add in all the ‘others’ who ‘rambled’ onto the field during the course of the game.
The ref has to be there. No sooner was the ball ‘thrun’ in by him, than the wee boy, the maor foirne, aka ‘Field Runner’ sprinted in with what appeared to be a very, very important message that someone had forgot to tell one or other or all the Donegal bies before they left the dressing room. Anyway, he was in and out all day. He must be in training for a triathlon or an UFC bout or something. Anyway, not to be outdone, Liam Hassett decided to ‘mark’ him and everytime he ran in, Liam ran in and everytime he ran out Liam ran out. I was hoping that Liam would ‘leg’ him at some point and upscuttle his galloping. Then, the female pony-tailed Donegal physio and her male assistant ran in and out several times to check on their team players. The Kerry physios ran in a few times too. I saw the linesman from the terrace side rambling in a good few times too. I suppose the poor man wanted a bit of peace. I’m sure there were one or two more AN Others I didn’t spot and I saw no sign of a maor uisce. The present day players are probably the biggest, most bulked up specimens since the foundation of the GAA. They need their space to manoeuvre. They don’t want ‘extras’ running in and out and up and down while they’re going at full pelt. ‘Tis all right until one of them gets trampled or worse still accosted. The sideline then is another matter. It reminds me of The Bridge over the River Laune on a Gathering Day evening at Puck Fair. For anyone that has never had the pleasure – it can only be described as bordering on dangerous. There’s one narrow footpath, two rows of continuous traffic alongside and a river underneath. Put 1000’s of people onto the footpath, with half trying to get into Puck to see the puck and the other half trying to get out after seeing his majesty…the Laune Bridge is full of good humoured people, our sidelines are not.
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Post by mafi97 on Mar 8, 2016 1:39:24 GMT
I am very surprised that some posters are surprised at Rory Gallagher's exhibition of belligerence yesterday.
My Donegal friends are forever eulogising about his contribution at both club and county level. And I have no reason not to go along with their views. But I know what I see. During his time with McGuinness, I always thought that they had a double act going on - good cop and bad cop. While McGuinness did his sphinx thing, Gallagher was running around like a demented terrier running on to the field of play, shouting at referees, gesticulating at opposition players and his piece de resistance was his up close to the earlobe of the linesman hectoring of the 13 second variety.
The cameras were always so focussed on McGuinness that nobody picked up on Gallagher's aggression. In the modern sporting world, if it is not captured on camera, it never happened. So I always assumed that this was part of the mosaic of the great McGuinness plan.
When Gallagher came back as the main man, he was much more restrained - which confirmed me in my original view. But increasingly in recent games, the shackles have come off - culminating in yesterday's display which was unacceptable at every level.
The only comparison I can come up with was Brian Cody's appalling display of bullying intimidation of the referee in the 2006 Quarter Final against Galway. If memory serves me, Cody was censured after the event - but on the day, the referee allowed him to be a player in determining the course of play.
Like some earlier posters, I had a great view of Gallagher's "contribution". Driving back today, I was thinking about the game - and there was a lot to think about. But the "player" who intruded the most on my mental video of the game was Gallagher. This should not be.
If I was a Donegal supporter, I would be very worried about the calibre of manager they are dependent on to take them through battles ahead. Going on yesterday's performance (and earlier evidence), this guy is not just belligerent - at managerial level, he is an idiot.
P.S. I would love to be posting about the football, but this idiot was in my eye line the whole time and with one eye on him and one on the potential location of the next flare up, I lost all sense of how the football was going.
P.P.S. I did not see Alan Fitzgerald's contretemps with Neil McGee - I saw McGee coming off with a blood injury, ostensibly from his nose and Fitzgerald getting a red card and I said "Fair enough". Mind you, given what I have seen the McGee brothers dish out at close quarters, I was partisan enough to give a mental Hosanna to Fitzgerald for standing up to the big boys.
But late last night, when I caught up with the real story of Alan's dismissal, I felt like giving up. We were talking about sulphurous games of the past - and we agreed that the yesterday's game was like tag rugby compared with the 1962 Munster Final in Cork. In the middle of the physical mayhem of that game, Tiger Lyons came out and clobbered a guy with a left handed mallet which flattened your man. All in the interests of retaliation - retaliation for a team mate. Because it was so visible (with no instant replay available to show the cause of the retaliation), Tiger was excoriated in some quarters.
Tiger was a hard man and took no prisoners. Neil McGee is a hard (and very good ) fullback and takes no prisoners. But there the comparison ends. Tiger would have been there for ever and you could be guaranteed that he would never stoop to the cold cynicism of McGee yesterday. Could you imagine Niall Sheehy engaging like that? Or Jack Quinn? Or Paddy Prendergast? Or Paddy O'Brien? Or Darren Fay? Or the most excoriated of them all, Mick Lyons?.
That is the level at which we should be looking at the McGee incident yesterday. If McGee does not get a lengthy ban (and I mean lengthy) we will have yet another insidious problem imported into our game.
P.P.P.S. I just hope we do not meet Donegal later in the year. Not that I would be afraid of them - but it would just not be pretty. But then again, the school-yard bully always laid down when confronted at close quarter - and that could just be the case if our paths cross again this year.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 8, 2016 8:46:00 GMT
One of the highlights for me was the performance of Mark Griffin away from the square! Many, including myself have longed to see him positioned somewhere in the half back line where his strength and athleticism can shine- he did not disappoint in this regard on Sunday; alas, when competing 1:1 with Murphy on the edge of the square, he was beaten and we end up conceding the goal; I hope EF & Co will pitch him in at 6 next week against Mayo where his physique should be seen to good effect.
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Post by maoruisce65 on Mar 8, 2016 9:00:52 GMT
The ground improvements certainly add to the spectators view of proceedings from the lower terrace.
But again the number of people inside on the playing area is rediculous. This seems to be an ongoing issue at ASP and there is much better control at FS during inter county and county championship games. It was like the running of the bulls at Pamploma when the halftime whistle sounded and a serious mellee could have ensued given the tension of the first half.
Also as referred to above the goal posts were literally moving constantly during the game and would need attention.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 8, 2016 9:37:54 GMT
Can anyone tell me if they put in new goals as well? Because I've never seen the tops of the posts move so much, there was a time in the second half when it wasn't inconceivable one of them coming down such was the velocity of their movement. Amazingly, with all their moving Donegal managed to hit them three times, Hawkeye could be an issue in Stacks Park. Yup brand new goals as well, identical to the ones in Croke Park.
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