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Post by thepope on Mar 6, 2016 22:17:06 GMT
well, that was filthy and not the good kind of filthy.
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Post by wayupnorth on Mar 6, 2016 22:22:00 GMT
Interesting to see how the Paul Murphy experiment will play out and whether Kieran will remain in midfield. If both are allowed to play like they did in Newry it will be very watchable. There's no way anyone will be let play like they were in Newry. Watched back the game again for my sins and even the 2nd time it was unbelievable how bad Down were - The Down game can't be used as a benchmark for anything really. Well they played. And both were well worth their places and positions. But nobody could describe the first half as watchable. There was a time long long ago when teams like Donegal brought this kind of excrement and we fought back with traditional Kerry football resulting in nothing but moral victories. But now we can give as good as we get and it might not be pretty but it is effective. Today we beat them at boxing, rugby and eventually at Gaelic Football. I didn't see the Alan Fitz/McGee incident but if what is alleged to have happened is true, will someone please tell me under what circumstances is it acceptable to attempt to break an opponent's fingers? Someone like that should be banned for a very long time and I would say exactly the same if the player were from Kerry. It's not so long that one of our own was banned for a long time for a burst of petulance that hurt no-one. I did see an incident where Ryan McHugh was correctly awarded a free after a tackle but he went to the ground clutching his head which was not touched in either the tackle or the fall tHere followed a disgraceful pantomime where the team medics wasted time checking him for concussion. Conduct unbecoming for a former young player of the year. The second half was more positive allegedly due to an intervention by the referee at half-time but overall the game left a sour taste but at least we came away with two points. To end on a positive note because it may not be mentioned elsewhere: did anyone else notice Podge O'Connor's mighty burst up the field covering acres and leaving a trail of Donegalmen in his wake? With "bit_part" players acting like this there is some hope for us yet!
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Post by southward on Mar 6, 2016 22:24:06 GMT
Left the park cold and wet but worth it. A great win. Donegal are some shower of thugs. I thought they were playing with 13 men for the first half, very strange follow up to the first Red it looked like two were sent off.I think Marc went off for a blood sub at the same time Fitzgerald got the line. We were playing with 12 at one point. When Shane and Denis were put off, it was a few minutes before replacements were allowed. Then Aidan Walsh had to come on 3 times; dunno what was going on there.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 6, 2016 22:25:48 GMT
Disappointing in that I always saw Donegal - and especially the McGees - as hard but always fair.
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Post by baurtregaum on Mar 6, 2016 22:34:56 GMT
Rory G was a disgrace, he is an inter-county manager. You would be embarrassed if your b team manager behaved like that. Kerry did not cover themselves themselves in glory at times either but what McGee did was beyond the pale.
I thought Kerry should have tried Donaghy inside for a bit of the first half, we had a strong wind and It might have paid a dividend. Very happy with the grit they showed to pull through. It Is nicely at up for Castlebar next week. I think Darren's tackling/ work rate has improved and Sheehan was outstanding.
Great to see the sports field looking so well, brilliant atmosphere with over 7,000 attending, it should be our main League venue in the years ahead.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 6, 2016 22:37:54 GMT
I hope Brendan OSullivan gets more game time. He is some specimen of athlete. He is mad for action and wont go back from anything. He is able to kick a point off both feet which is more than the Bomber could do when he came on the scene in 1978!!
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Post by inchperfect on Mar 6, 2016 22:50:15 GMT
Whatever about the shenanigans we bagged 2 big points today, that and the fact that we picked up no injuries are what matters. 3 games to go now, 1 win will keep us up and 2 wins will get us to the semis.
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Post by donegalman on Mar 6, 2016 23:02:12 GMT
re the points differential rather than head to head, it is very likely imo that 3 or more teams will end up on 6 points, with down on zero. That is why I think that cork's points differential will act as a -1 point and potentially send them down if they are in joint 2nd last with 3 teams.
Cork have to win v kerry, v monaghan and down to stay up. Kerry have only to get 2 points v monaghan, cork or mayo. Mayo need to get 2 points from Kerry, monaghan or roscommon Monaghan need 2 points from Kerry, donegal or mayo.
Ourselves and ross have 6 points and a very good scoring average. I think that both ourselves and ross will get 2 points in our last 3 games.
Mayo and Cork seem to be on the thinnest ice. It really will go down to the last day of the league once again. Dublin will be unbeaten.
Good luck in remainder of games. I think that todays game is best forgotten about. I cant take a single positive from it at all unless it were to set a precedent of naming and shaming players.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Mar 6, 2016 23:35:33 GMT
A horrible, ugly, mean spirited game. The less said the better. Great to win, a hard earned 2 points.
2 things lit up a dark day. Sheehan's pass to Donaghy in the run up to Crowley's goal. Sheehan's point from the ground into the Mitchel's end was simply sublime.
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Post by fivenarow on Mar 6, 2016 23:57:31 GMT
I was at the game today, ASP is looking well, the surface looked fantastic & the removal of the wire around the pitch made it easier on the eye. I'm looking forward to the u21 game on Wednesday just to see it under lights. Will someone tell the county board that the atmosphere in ASP for these size games exceeds Fitzgerald Stadium hands down.
On the game today, I think Donegal learned that if you want to play football then kerry will play football with you but if you want to carry on the way they did then the Kerry boys are well able to look after themselves & won't be found wanting on the physical side. There's no doubt we'd have beaten Roscommon if we had the current players available or just Bryan Sheehan would have done. His free taking today was sublime, the one in the second half must have started 15 yards right of the posts, an absolute joy to watch. I'm afraid Donegals tactic of trying to spoil, check & intimidate the opposition was sad to watch - this was from the sideline to the corner forward, I can see how jimmy mcguinness & Gallagher fell out. Fair play to Liam Hassett for having the awareness of what was happening around him & pulling alan Fitzgerald away from the barrage of abuse & intimidation he was getting on his way off. There's a way to conduct yourself both on & off the pitch & im afraid Donegal to my utter surprise were found wanting on both today. I don't know if these players were following instructions or instinct but if was the latter they need to have a serious look at themselves. Leo mccloone was involved in 3 serious incidents before his red, I've never seen donnachada Walsh as irate with someone as he was with him after the first melee. I've looked at the Neil McGee incident this evening & striking is a red card offence but what were the umpires doing, he didn't even get a yellow??
Anyway, things are better pointswise & playerwise than they were 3 weeks ago so let's move on & hopefully get a game of football & a result in Mayo next week.
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Post by homerj on Mar 7, 2016 0:13:39 GMT
The first melee, saw Marc o se get split open.
Marc got up and was raging. I'm pretty sure he got a few belts, anybody see what happened?
And I agree, the behaviour of the Donegal sideline was a disgrace.
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Post by sullyschoice on Mar 7, 2016 0:24:35 GMT
Rory Gallagher was roaring like a lunatic at everything. Lost the plot completely.
Thought Donegal started the game thinking they could bully Kerry. That didnt happen. Neil Mc Gee...tramp. Bruan Sheehan should also learn to not get involved quite so much when provoked. We need him too much.
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Post by fivenarow on Mar 7, 2016 0:26:48 GMT
The first melee, saw Marc o se get split open. Marc got up and was raging. I'm pretty sure he got a few belts, anybody see what happened? And I agree, the behaviour of the Donegal sideline was a disgrace. Marc was in after the initial incident between donnaghy & Murphy & from what I saw I think Murphy caught him with a punch when he was on the ground. I can see how Murphy gets in to so much trouble, he's far from an angel but I doubt he likes to see too much of Aidan o mahony in his vicinity either. Murphy is fine footballer but a fine messer too.
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Post by fivenarow on Mar 7, 2016 0:28:30 GMT
Rory Gallagher was roaring like a lunatic at everything. Lost the plot completely. Thought Donegal started the game thinking they could bully Kerry. That didnt happen. Neil Mc Gee...tramp. Bruan Sheehan should also learn to not get involved quite so much when provoked. We need him too much. 100% on all counts
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Post by homerj on Mar 7, 2016 0:48:15 GMT
And oh Ya....a sideshow to all the belting today was the lovely new physio that Donegal have.
A belter of a different kind.
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Post by glengael on Mar 7, 2016 7:43:55 GMT
A horrible, ugly, mean spirited game. The less said the better. Great to win, a hard earned 2 points. 2 things lit up a dark day. Sheehan's pass to Donaghy in the run up to Crowley's goal. Sheehan's point from the ground into the Mitchel's end was simply sublime. Crowley showed great speed and awareness to get into prime position to take the goal. I expect we may be hearing more about this match in due course.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 7, 2016 8:17:13 GMT
Good win today. Let's be honest. Both teams were were no angels. Donaghys hauling to the ground of Murphy wouldn't have been out of place in the UFC a few hours earlier.
Mahony as well was as bad as any Donegal player for acting the maggot. It looked at times today as if Kerry thought the mark was already introduced such was our reticence to go short for the kickouts into a gale.
Sheehan was outstanding today. Darran is keeping his form up too. I thought Mark Griffin did well. I thought Kelly should have cleared man and ball for the Donegal goal.
Brendan O'Sullivan impresses me every time he plays
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 7, 2016 9:54:49 GMT
The modern game at it's ugliest yesterday and ugly is ugly. Last years final is was no oil painting either. The GAA in the modern age of sports science should be clapping itself on the back. The mass defence, the kick out and the hand passing will all have to be addressed and regulated. With regards to cynical play, if the black card was applied to the letter of the law we would be left with 7 aside football.
Good win for Kerry regardless, they have moved up through the gears significantly since the first two rounds. Eight points should get them a tilt at having a cut at winning the league.
Double headers at this of the year should be issued with a heath warning carrying risks associated with hypothermia.
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Post by jackiel on Mar 7, 2016 9:59:02 GMT
There's no way anyone will be let play like they were in Newry. Watched back the game again for my sins and even the 2nd time it was unbelievable how bad Down were - The Down game can't be used as a benchmark for anything really. Well they played. And both were well worth their places and positions. But nobody could describe the first half as watchable. There was a time long long ago when teams like Donegal brought this kind of excrement and we fought back with traditional Kerry football resulting in nothing but moral victories. But now we can give as good as we get and it might not be pretty but it is effective. Today we beat them at boxing, rugby and eventually at Gaelic Football. I didn't see the Alan Fitz/McGee incident but if what is alleged to have happened is true, will someone please tell me under what circumstances is it acceptable to attempt to break an opponent's fingers? Someone like that should be banned for a very long time and I would say exactly the same if the player were from Kerry. It's not so long that one of our own was banned for a long time for a burst of petulance that hurt no-one. I did see an incident where Ryan McHugh was correctly awarded a free after a tackle but he went to the ground clutching his head which was not touched in either the tackle or the fall tHere followed a disgraceful pantomime where the team medics wasted time checking him for concussion. Conduct unbecoming for a former young player of the year. The second half was more positive allegedly due to an intervention by the referee at half-time but overall the game left a sour taste but at least we came away with two points. To end on a positive note because it may not be mentioned elsewhere: did anyone else notice Podge O'Connor's mighty burst up the field covering acres and leaving a trail of Donegalmen in his wake? With "bit_part" players acting like this there is some hope for us yet! You mentioned thaet we beat them at rugby and other sports, at times it was more like a basketball match, adn we managed to beat them at that too .Donegal seemed very reluctant to actually kick the ball.
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Post by veteran on Mar 7, 2016 10:03:19 GMT
Well this was as horrible a match as it has been my misfortune to attend. It will be remembered only for the violence. It is uncertain why this match was so unsavoury as I cannot recall any history of animosity between these two counties. Needless to say I have my own theory, biased or otherwise. It appeared to me that Donegal came down with the intention of bullying Kerry, exploiting this "soft underbelly" that a lot of Northern teams and commentators perceive Kerry to have. Allied with this it appeared that their intent was to break up play as much as possible in the first half when Kerry were playing with the gale. They succeeded in the latter but no soft underbelly was exposed. Au contraire. When a team refuses to be cowed, and rather than turn the other cheek no backward step is taken, ugliness ensues. It was ugly. We often hear the euphemistic phrase "only handbags". This was no handbags. This was a sequence of heavyweight battles.
My outstanding memory of the first pitched battle is of Doncha Walsh emerging from the scrum and angrily pointing at a retreating Leo McLoone. Nobody can accuse Doncha of being a scut and I have feeling that he was not remonstrating with Leo for any offence the latter committed against Doncha himself but rather what the Donegal man may have done to another opponent. Poor old Marc emerged with a bloody face. Perpetrator? I have no evidence to say that Leo was the culprit but I will say that over the course of the next fifteen/twenty he did his best to earn a card, or a couple. The referee eventually obliged him with a straight red.
I am unable to comment on the Neil McGee/Alan Fitzgerald incident. It took place more or less at the same time as I gorged my eyes on the murderous battle which took place in front of me and to which I have referred in the previous paragraph. Where is my evidence to suggest that Donegal were the main architects of yesterday's mayhem? I will cite two of their personnel.
Number one, not in order of culpability, is Rory Kavanagh. His brief all day, ordained or assumed, was to antagonise Bryan Sheehan. He spent his time pushing and jostling and nattering into the face of the South Kerry man. There is no doubt his mission was to get a reaction from Bryan. In the second half he must felt his climax had arrived. Bryan pushed him and the unruly Rory went down clutching his face. To the eternal credit of Eddie Kinsella he came over to him and told to get up and stop this cowardly behaviour. But the wheel of justice turns relentlessly. Shortly afterwards, in my view Rory cost Donegal the match. The score was level with Kerry on the ropes after seeing Donegal scoring four points on the trot to level matters. Kerry ware awarded a free about thirty five metres out and instead of rushing back to seal any gaps in front of his goal, Rory continued his pattern of nattering into the face of Bryan. Bryan kept his concentration, spotted KD unmarked, who in turn passed on to the inrushing Peter Crowley. Peter thundered forward and adroitly finished home. Thanks Rory.
Number two in my hit list, but number one in order of disgrace, is Donegal manager, Rory Gallagher, He was in my sights all through, positioned as I was behind him on the terrace. I have been attending matches for a long time but it is unlikely that I have ever seen a manager so out of control. He simply behaved like a rabid fan. Up and down the line, shouting and goading, constantly badgering the linesman. He could not even resist the temptation to have a go at the hapless Alan Fitzgerald as he made his way off. Now, the atmosphere on the pitch was poisonous enough without Donegal's main man on the line throwing in sticks of gelignite to the combustion. Apart from inflaming the situation, surely you cannot dispassionately assess what is happening when you are in that feverish state. Perhaps, this was an aberration and that Rory is far more composed normally. I hope so for the sake of Donegal football.
What can one say about the shambles of a match apart from the violence? No much. The wind of course dictated the trend of the match to a large extent. It was disappointing that Kerry allowed their four point lead to be wiped out in such a short space of time in the second half. When that lead was wiped out I gave Kerry no chance against the gale. As already stated ,the goal turned the match. After that Kerry took over and opened up a lead of six points, a lot of these from the immaculate Bryan Sheehan. One of those points against the gale and from his wrong side was outrageous. We were cruising now until Colm Cooper, of all people, had his brain storm and misfired a long crossfield kick pass. It went over the sideline. This was quickly taken and lobbed in the direction of Michael Murphy. He outfielded Mark Griffin and venomously struck home, almost before he had landed back on earth. A great goal which only a great player can score. Mark made a feeble effort in the air for that one but otherwise he had an outstanding game. Indeed all the backs played well. While he had a solid game, AO'M tends to give away a lot of frees. He walks a thin line and indeed Eddie Kinsella was lenient in giving him a yellow rather than a red card in the second half for a neck high tackle.
Michael Murphy's goal made for a nervous finish but we finished strongly and secured two precious points.
It is a shame that we did not see more of Alan Fitzgerald and Denis Daly. I was very impressed by Podge O'Connor yesterday and indeed against Down.
Eddie Kinsella had an impossible task. In the circumstances, I thought he did very well. And people tell us that the NFL doesn't matter!!
Apart from the violence ,wasn't yesterday's match a classic study in the awfulness of the hand pass. I am not just talking about all the throw passes but rather its incessant use. Please restrict it before it is too late.
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Post by buck02 on Mar 7, 2016 10:04:09 GMT
On the revamped Austin Stack Park, while there is a good bit of "snagging" yet to be done, the pitched looked great and like another post said, the removal of the wire makes the view much better (not sure how it will work out for the county hurling championship however). The kids who usually climbed the wire behind the dugouts have to make do with elbows on the low wall now. Lets hope the lights will be properly focused on Wednesday night, with no block spots like there was in the past.
On the game itself, the conditions meant it was never going to be a game of free-flowing football, like last years game at the same venue between the two teams which was a cracker of a game. I thought Donaghy played well between the two 45s, Sheehans kicking was obviously the winning of the game and I also thought Darren, Donnchadh, Fionn and Mahony did well. Kerry showed they are well able to adjust to conditions and opposition yesterday, no stupid kicks for scores - the working in of the the ball and drawing fouls or punching over was pleasing.
On the nastiness, well it takes two to tango and Kerry certainly didnt back away from Donegal. I feel that Donaghy started the first melee unnecessarily and after that the tone was set. There was one particularly gutless punch thrown in this melee and anybody who watches it back will see what I'm talking about. Alan Fitz was stupid to do what he did but you could understand the reaction in the circumstances. Maybe in the future if McGee catches a forwards finger and pulls it, the forward should catch McGee somewhere else and pull them - fire with fire and no red card then.
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Post by seamus on Mar 7, 2016 10:14:10 GMT
Our total dependence on our veteran players will probably catch us down the line this year.
Marc ended up picking up and shutting down McBrearty (13 years his junior).
Sheehan, Donaghy, Donncha and Gooch were all minors in 2001. Sheehan and Donaghy were midfield yesterday, Donncha was man of the match.
Hard to watch younger players in good positions passing the ball off to older players in worse positions. Without a few hungry, confident young players chomping at the bit to make an impact we will struggle. Too many were just happy to be there yesterday. Not sure if they are not good enough or lacking the character to kick on.
Looks like we may need to wait for the 14/15 minor teams to kick in.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 7, 2016 10:22:50 GMT
Our total dependence on our veteran players will probably catch us down the line this year. Marc ended up picking up and shutting down McBrearty (13 years his junior). Sheehan, Donaghy, Donncha and Gooch were all minors in 2001. Sheehan and Donaghy were midfield yesterday, Donncha was man of the match. Hard to watch younger players in good positions passing the ball off to older players in worse positions. Without a few hungry, confident young players chomping at the bit to make an impact we will struggle. Too many were just happy to be there yesterday. Not sure if they are not good enough or lacking the character to kick on.Looks like we may need to wait for the 14/15 minor teams to kick in. I don't understand your point here. I don't think any player shirked yesterday or lacked character.
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Post by seamus on Mar 7, 2016 10:37:44 GMT
Depends if you define character as ploughing into a melee or having the belief to take on playing a pass yourself instead of passing the ball backwards to a player in a far worse position. The majority of our foot passing is being done by Sheehan and Moran/Gooch when fit. Kerry need a half back line kicking ball and forwards willing to take on shots at correct times to have any chance this year.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 7, 2016 10:57:34 GMT
Depends if you define character as ploughing into a melee or having the belief to take on playing a pass yourself instead of passing the ball backwards to a player in a far worse position. The majority of our foot passing is being done by Sheehan and Moran/Gooch when fit. Kerry need a half back line kicking ball and forwards willing to take on shots at correct times to have any chance this year. True enough and that's a valid point.
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Post by trevor73 on Mar 7, 2016 11:00:21 GMT
The vitriol toward Kerry on twitter is pretty strong - I've yet to read the comments on journal and a few other places. Kerry were long enough targeted by Ulster sides but no longer - there's Steel and toughness and the soft underbelly Tyrone targeted back in 2003 no longer part of a Kerry players constitution. It's a deliberate tactic that was utilised and we were forced to meet fire with fire
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 7, 2016 12:58:09 GMT
Donegal wanted to slow down the game when they were playing against the wind so Murphy kept the ball when Donaghy wanted to take a quick free. Donaghy tried to pull it out of his grasp, Murphy fell over and Denis Daly walks away with the ball. That was the critical thing – the alpha male had been grounded. This made Donegal even more aggressive and also showed that Kerry were not going to be bullied.
Good to see Kerry showing such great resilience.
I thought Paul Murphy might have got man of the match. For us older observers it is as if Ogie had found a time machine and came back.
That free kick by Sheehan was one of the best I’ve ever seen. There was very little margin for error when it started floating across at 90 degrees to the original trajectory and still needing to travel into the wind and between the posts.
Kelly took the easy option for the goal. He could have dived on Murphy’s boot – throwing his foot at it was never going to block it.
I was surprised that Aidan survived the 70 minutes both legally and tactically. He should have got on the end of Cooper’s pass.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 7, 2016 13:40:26 GMT
My outstanding memory of the first pitched battle is of Doncha Walsh emerging from the scrum and angrily pointing at a retreating Leo McLoone. Nobody can accuse Doncha of being a scut and I have feeling that he was not remonstrating with Leo for any offence the latter committed against Doncha himself but rather what the Donegal man may have done to another opponent. Poor old Marc emerged with a bloody face. Perpetrator? I have no evidence to say that Leo was the culprit but I will say that over the course of the next fifteen/twenty he did his best to earn a card, or a couple. The referee eventually obliged him with a straight red. If you look back at the video, Marc can be seen in the fracas and his head jerking backwards with McLoone directly opposite him- at the time I was not sure if it was McFadden or McLoone-the above clears that up now. Read more: kerrygaa.proboards.com/thread/6528/kerry-donegal-nfl-round-march?page=3#ixzz42DxRHySf
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Post by fenit67 on Mar 7, 2016 14:05:52 GMT
What was clear from the outset yesterday was that Donegal had not come to play football. Upon entering the fray yesterday Donegal's players had the look of men who had not been fed for a week and had been kept caged by Rory Gallagher who baited as he ate plate after plate of prime steak. I have no problem with Kerry responding to such an approach as it showed that no nonsense was going to be tolerated. Some will describe what happened as violence but it hardly was, as in all of these events the only punches that connected were Alan Fitzgerald's and whoever hit Marc O'Sé.
Fractious matches such as this will continue to be so unless the officials, yes ALL officials, play a full part in policing what is a big parish. The referee did what he could yesterday but I think it is now time to trial two referees and to give more responsibility to the other officials. The players must also realise that they have a huge responsibility also, as regards yesterday and in the general context of the game. Congress has come and gone and the usual window-dressing took place rather than addressing the fundamental issues facing our games.
I am a firm believer in the rugby union method; if there is a players' meeting during a match then the referee makes it very clear to the two captains that it will not be tolerated and sanctions will apply preferably by means of a sin-bin. The sin-bin was trialled some years ago and was working before being pulled. We now have the universally detested black card which is utterly useless as a deterrent; out you go lad and cripple the opposition's best player but make it look like an awkward challenge.
The players' fitness is improving but in an amateur sport having an inter-county season that lasts for eight to nine months is madness. The AFL teams were back in training in the first week of January and the season goes to September with a maximum of twenty-five matches plus three pre-season matches. In football it's fourteen or so but only a few are taken seriously because it's "the Championship"; this is clearly nonsensical and for the future of the sport will need to be changed. I know I am digressing but unless players are given a clearer calendar, a county season and a club season, then a more mature attitude to how they manage their on-field behaviour will not evolve. Yesterday was a clear example of a lack of maturity; certainly respond to intimidation but in a clear firm manner and then get on with the game. And it will only be with players and officials in concert that the game will improve not by questioning every decision and other assorted pettiness.
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Post by homerj on Mar 7, 2016 14:34:34 GMT
playing that game in Austin Stack park just added to the tension, the park is brilliant for atmosphere and a bit of skulduggery:)
Killarney isnt a patch on it.
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