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Post by Owenabue on Oct 20, 2007 10:26:07 GMT
One word for the All Stars - Joke.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 20, 2007 11:09:30 GMT
HI Owenabue....... what team would you have selected
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Post by Owenabue on Oct 20, 2007 11:13:28 GMT
Not that one anyway. The Kerry ones seem fair enough it's after that it becomes a little strange.
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Post by ballymagash on Oct 20, 2007 12:24:17 GMT
I agree Owenabue, 1.What did Diarmuid Murphy do out of the way? He didn't make game turning mistakes. 2.Can you put a square peg in a round hole? See left corner back ! & see All Ire final. 3.Killian Young is 'Young Player of the Year' Not a foot wrong this year. 4.Kieran Donaghy do they remember All Ireland quarter,semi & final games? Sorry Kieran if you were from any other county and on this year's performance you would be another media All Star. Anyway,there are the media All Stars and if Dublin were the defeated All Ireland finalists they probably have 8 All Star awards. Where are the papers sold? SOME of those media people have never played the game, not that they have to BUT, but some know little and can read less into our GAA games. 'The more things change the more they stay the same' Dublin win All Ireland in 1977, see how many All Stars they got. Then, along comes our Golden team in 1978. We expected at least as many All Star awards as Dublin had received, especially because of a Landslide victory. !!! See what happened. 'The more things change the more they stay the same' I didnt expect 10 All Star awards, I expected about seven for Kerry but I did think Diarmuid Murphy should have gotten and award and Star. Congrats to the O Shea boys.Aidan,Declan & Gooch. But,thanks be to God we are from Kerry and as far as we're concerned our Kerry team members are all ALL STARS. I hope the media people come down to Kerry and listen to the jingle of All Ireland medals in our pockets. Ciarrai Abu.
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Post by Aine on Oct 20, 2007 13:31:06 GMT
Well done to all the kerry winners.
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Post by AnygivenSunday on Oct 20, 2007 16:10:37 GMT
Cluxtan in goal joke shop! After that howler in the semi thats two allstars that have been gifted to him Could,nt agree more what a joke, take the jackeens alright to over do it on there part.Cork deserved more then one also, even though it kills me to say it.
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Post by 1479 on Oct 20, 2007 16:41:44 GMT
Congratulations to all the Kerry winners
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Post by JOAN on Oct 20, 2007 17:12:07 GMT
I though the meath goalie would get the all star
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Post by animal on Oct 20, 2007 17:52:07 GMT
Seeing as lads are quick to condemn a "Dublin based Media" can anyone actually list those who make up the selection panel? I bet you'd find most of them aren't from Dublin (even if they are Dublin based). I for one don't go along with the anti Kerry bias perceived elsewhere. Well done to the lads who won hard luck to the lads who missed out.
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Post by ballymagash on Oct 21, 2007 2:07:49 GMT
Those media people are Dublin based and watching their jobs,they know how & where their bread is buttered,and many are from tabloid rags.Many would never see Croke Park but for being entrusted with tabloid 'rag' press passes. Give the masses what they wish to read - you'll see the rag tabloid sticking out of their ar** pockets the following morning. Patchin Sullivan from Kerry wont buy that paper anyway. Its not that its anti Kerry biased but its pro Dublin. As I say 2 bit reporters giving the multitude what they want to read, ie We'll buy that 'paper' again tomorrow. They know how many papers are going to be bought in the morning and who the buyers are and where they are from. Cork are the All Ireland finalists and get one All Star award. Dublin, one of the players gives 'pass of the year' and gets an All Star award. !.5 million people and they cant win an All Ireland. In Kerry we have 130 thousand people. I was at a Dublin club on the Saturday prior to the All Ireland final.There must have been a few thousand children training yet the county cannot win an All Ireland title.We have 52 in our local primary school and 2 of the children's brothers have All Ireland senior medals. We cannot field 15 a side on our local Under 12 competitions and that includes girls. I think its time the All Star award scheme is taken away from the 'GAA journalists' they have abused the honour entrusted on them.
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Post by tomdoodle on Oct 21, 2007 2:27:36 GMT
Ballymagash I agree with you,I like your turn of phrase, are you related to John B?but you seem too angry.Remember,the Indo, Examiner & others had votes in the selection too. It wasn't all tabloid. I also remember the All Stars of 1977/78/79. Put on a Dublin jersey ,break wind and you are in the running for an All Star award.Things never change. Maybe its time the GPA took over the All Star selection. I think Cork have been very badly treated in hurling & football.
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Post by falveyb2k on Oct 21, 2007 19:46:59 GMT
Well the tribune had one man as a selector for the hurlers, don't know if he did the same for the footballers but his fellow writer Kieran Shannon(a man I usually admire) couldn't believe how Darragh got one ahead of Murphy. His reasoning was that one day in the year shouldn't make a difference. Well Kieran I'll give you a second day and that was the Munster final when he destroyed the Cork midfield on his own. Or how about a third when he gave Murphy yet another lesson in the league? Seriously, how could you come up with something like that?
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Post by undercovereustace on Oct 21, 2007 20:13:11 GMT
One word for the All Stars - Joke. I would spare them two words - BAD JOKE.
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Post by surfdude62 on Oct 21, 2007 23:40:54 GMT
Lads,all stars are over now so we should move on..can't really argue against any of the selections to be honest..we were only going to get the six boys from kerry anyway..thought donnacha o 'connor should have got one though but look, you could hsve picked several different teams..congrats to mark and killian by the way..brilliant stuff all year
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Post by homerj on Oct 22, 2007 9:29:47 GMT
the same happens every year, the reason they are so contraversial is that they sell newspapers before and after they are announced. if they picked the same 15 as the general and obvious opinion, then they would become boring and people would lose interest!
yes, they could have picked them better and yes, are there some glaring issues with the team, but as i said, picked (in large) by media people, aimed at making money for the media.
lucky - cluxton, mccloy and canty, bray, brogan and bradley.
unlucky - star, young, diarmuid and brendan murphy(either of them were better than cluxton when it came down to it), nicholas murphy, gormley
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Oct 22, 2007 9:56:11 GMT
This is a complete joke but it is completely predictable. I said that Kerry wouldn't get more than 6. Not because they didn't deserve it but because these hacks just want to sell papers and nothing more. Cluxton does not deserve it, he possibly cost his team the semi final. Canty got a roasting in the Final. Bray had 1-2 good games and was cleaned out against Cork. Barry Cahill probably deserves one, but I would have picked Young ahead of O'Mahony. I suppose they were being diplomatic, but how can you give someone YPOTY and not an All-Star. Whelan gets one because of his name, but I suppose the same could be said for Darragh (don't shoot me for this). Brogan probaly deserves one, but just about. And Bradley is the biggest joke of the lot. Kieran Donaghy can feel very hard done by.
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Post by una on Oct 22, 2007 11:29:50 GMT
Congrads to all the Kerry lads especially the O'Sheas. Lovely to see a bit of history being made on Al-Star night to finish off a fantastic year. I am happy enough with the al star team. Kerry will never wipe the board with Al-Stars and we just have to accept that and get on with it. As long as the boys keep adding to their tally of Al ireland medals I will be happy.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 22, 2007 11:34:11 GMT
The non selection of kieran donaghy this year at fullforward is just as incompetent as was his selection of player of year over darragh just as incompetent last year,you'd have to question the indept knowledge of the game of the media selectors who made that decission.
Eugene mcGee's article from todays indo is the most accurate i'd read on the allstars,also pat spillane hit the nail on the head yesterday.
Sean potts from saturdays indo is also worth a read if people want an inside look into the workings of the gaa and the media.
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Post by homerj on Oct 22, 2007 11:52:28 GMT
The non selection of kieran donaghy this year at fullforward is just as incompetent as was his selection of player of year over darragh just as incompetent last year Donaghy was the darling of the media last year, so he was always going to get it, but ya, your completely correct. and with marc getting it this year, to add to thomas, what a pity darragh didnt get it. it would surely be another remarkable achievement for that magnificent family from back west. what did ye make of darraghs answer to the question about what will happen next year? it looks like he has not made up his mind and it could go either way if he calls it a day or not. id say, he will stay on anyway for the 3 in a row.....then it hopefully will turn to a 4 in a row!!!!!
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Post by animal on Oct 22, 2007 12:27:23 GMT
Eugene mcGee's article from todays indo is the most accurate i'd read on the allstars,also pat spillane hit the nail on the head yesterday. . Here's McGee's article. Sums it up well. By Eugene McGee Monday October 22 2007 I read that the All Stars selectors met last Wednesday and picked the hurling team in two hours, then grabbed a few sandwiches and a mug of tea and two hours later had picked the football team. How times have changed! In the early years of the All Stars when Carrolls were sponsors, selection meetings were marathon events lasting anything up to six hours and the chairman's main job was to keep some of the selectors from going to blows. I was 'just a pup' those times at a table that included, among others the late, John D Hickey, Paddy Downey, Peadar O'Brien, Sean Og O Ceallachain and Liam McDowell, an Irish-speaking Presbyterian GAA journalist from Belfast. The arguments were ferocious, tempers were often lost and sometimes meetings were adjourned to let passions cool off. The All Stars were huge in the 1970s and the selectors took their task very seriously indeed. Somehow I doubt if the same level of passion is engendered by All Star meetings these days. But of course there is one huge difference which has downgraded the significance of selection as an All Star. Then players could only be nominated for ONE position, nowadays they are nominated for three except at midfield where it is two. It was even worse up until recently when players were nominated for SIX positions in backs or forwards. The day the decision was made to change the original system was the day the exclusiveness of All Star selection was downgraded and they have never recovered. The whole point of the All Stars was to select the best player in each of the 15 position that year -- not to pick a team. GAA fans want to have one player named as the best full-back, wing half-back or whatever, therefore they want the each selection to be between players who have played in the same position in most of their county's games that year. We have a typical example of what I mean in the full-back line on this year's team. Graham Canty failed to be selected as the best full-back in Ireland when Kevin McCloy was picked at No 3, quite correctly. In the old days that would be the end of Canty but nowadays any player nominated for the full-back line can be selected at No 2, 3 or 4. So as a sop to Canty he was named at left full-back where he hardly ever played for Cork and every regular No 4 in the game is entitled to feel aggrieved. The worst example of this new rule was when Peter Canavan was selected at centre-forward in 2005 instead of Brian McGuigan who was the best No 11 that year when Tyrone won the All-Ireland It has been known for All Star selection committees to change their minds when they look at their final selection and it just might be possible that Canty was not selected in the first 15 but when the team was finalised it was found that there was no Cork player included. Cork being Cork, and not Tyrone or Sligo, this could not be allowed so maybe a revision took place which saw Canty transplanted as a corner-back. One of the genuine credentials of All Star selection committees is the diversity of opinion and knowledge of the game they represent along with a wide spread of geographical representation. There is a mistaken impression among fans that the GAA reporting fraternity is largely Dublin orientated but this is not true. The majority of GAA media people are not from Dublin, they just live there. There used to be almost an unwritten rule that each provincial champion would get at least one All Star but that has fallen by the wayside and rightly so. But Tyrone in particular will feel they have been done an injustice. Conor Gormley deserved to be selected and ironically should have been a beneficiary of the new dispensation about players having multiple options. He is a traditional centre half-back but has often performed well at corner back and he did that spectacularly in the All-Ireland quarter-final against Meath. Stephen Bray, who is selected as an All Star, scored three points from play off Ryan McMenamin in the first half but when Gormley switched to corner-back at halftime, Bray failed to score from the rest of the game. Lowest All-Ireland finalists Cork have the dubious distinction of having the lowest All Star representation ever for losing finalists. Graham Canty follows in the footsteps of fellow Bantry Blues star Declan Barron, an All Star in 1974 and '78; but were Cork really the worst All-Ireland finalists since 1970? I really doubt it and Nicholas Murphy in particular has paid a very high price for having a poor game by his own standards in that final. Which brings me to the selection of Stephen Cluxton as goalkeeper. It is often claimed that people get All Star awards because they are on a successful team and therefore get more exposure to the public and the media, which is a fair point but then the best players usually play with successful teams anyway. Cluxton, who won his third All Star last Friday, has been a beneficiary of this because no county played as many high profile games in recent years as Dublin. But if good play in big games is rewarded by an All Star award surely bad play should also be a telling blow against a player. Cluxton's blunder in the dying minutes of the semi-final against Kerry was of monumental importance. Dublin had fought back brilliantly to cut a Kerry lead of six points to just one when mysteriously a line ball to Dublin about 30 yards out was kicked back to the goalkeeper. He advanced 45 yards outfield in search of somebody to play the ball to but saw nobody and then kicked a careless ball which was intercepted by Kieran Donaghy and Kerry scored the insurance point. Had Cluxton made good use of the ball Dublin could have earned a draw. Neither of the other two nominated keepers, Diarmuid or Brendan Murphy made a mistake of similar gravity and one should have been selected. When I was selecting All Stars I always rated the player on his contribution to the team's success even if his method of doing that might often not seemed obvious. On that score Kieran Donaghy should have won an All Star this year because quite simply Kerry would not have won the All-Ireland without him. Many doubted if he would build on his sensational debut season of 2006 but he did just that though not in as flamboyant a manner. There is no doubt rule changes have watered down the All Stars in modern times which accounts for the less than fanatical interest in the teams from the GAA public. But they are still important and selection is a great honour for any player. The Opel GPA All Stars team will be announced shortly and as it is picked by players on the basis of the original All Stars system. It will be interesting to see how it differs from Friday's Vodafone All Star starting 15
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Post by kerryman on Oct 22, 2007 12:44:00 GMT
I think the question of what the GPA awards will look like compared to the All stars sums it all up.
Well done to the 6 Kerry lads. Fully deserved. Whelan and Cluxton can again count themselves lucky to be from Dublin for the all stars awards.
Donnchadh O'Connor and Nic MUrphy were robbed.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Oct 22, 2007 12:45:30 GMT
Excellent article.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 22, 2007 14:35:41 GMT
Well the tribune had one man as a selector for the hurlers, don't know if he did the same for the footballers but his fellow writer Kieran Shannon(a man I usually admire) couldn't believe how Darragh got one ahead of Murphy. His reasoning was that one day in the year shouldn't make a difference. Well Kieran I'll give you a second day and that was the Munster final when he destroyed the Cork midfield on his own. Or how about a third when he gave Murphy yet another lesson in the league? Seriously, how could you come up with something like that? ifs that the actual quote from kieran then it bizzare coming from a sports shrink. thats like saying carl lewis doesnt deserve his world and olympic gold medals because he peaked on the day and dug deep. i though the role of a sports shrink was all about getting top end performances from athletes on the big day when championships are decided.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 22, 2007 18:37:10 GMT
Dara was lucky to get an all star. Kerrys best midfielder was Seamus Scanlon. Dara was poor for 65 minutes against Monaghan and injured for most of the Dublin match. Scanlon was very good in all three.
Similarly......... Dublins best midfielder was Shane Ryan...... not Whelan.
Dara should have got player of the year last year. Donaghy was excellent in all Kerrys games in 2007 especially the Dublin game where he showed amazing leadership when Dara went off.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 22, 2007 18:56:51 GMT
i thought kieran played his best ever game for kerry v dublin in the semi final.
darragh was solid in the munster final mickmack,caught the big balls v monaghan at the end,whelan didnt dominate while darragh was on v dublin and in the final darragh eclisped nic murphy.
i know where your coming from with seamus scanlon,but pound for pound over the course of the season i'd feel darragh would shade it.Darragh was superb in a few of kerrys league games,he was outstanding v mayo in castlebar.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 22, 2007 21:39:15 GMT
Scanlan was outstanding against Dublin in the relegation playoff on easter sunday. Dara was injured that day. That was the day that Padraig Reidy played his way onto the Kerry team........ he was superb.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 22, 2007 22:47:40 GMT
t'was some upward curve for seamus scanlon this year,if he builds on that next year he could become a very good midfielder.
i'm looking forward to seeing paddy curran,david moran,tommy walsh,shane enright,adian oshea,paul o connor,kieran o leary etc get a blast in the league after christmas.
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Post by JOAN on Oct 22, 2007 22:50:06 GMT
t'was some upward curve for seamus scanlon this year,if he builds on that next year he could become a very good midfielder. i'm looking forward to seeing paddy curran,david moran,tommy walsh,shane enright,adian oshea,paul o connor,kieran o leary etc get a blast in the league after christmas. I agree Kerrygold. I think we will see them sooner later than later also
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Post by hitman on Oct 22, 2007 23:17:36 GMT
Ya well tommys gone off to oz until the end of march
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Post by kerryman on Oct 23, 2007 12:42:38 GMT
12 months ago we wouldn't have put Scanlon even in the same sentence as Daragh, but in fairness to the man he's rate of improvement this year is comparable to Star last year.
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