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Post by animal on Jun 3, 2007 21:50:12 GMT
Good show today. No win situation for Kerry today. They did all we could ask which is to play well and win.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 3, 2007 22:21:04 GMT
Kerry look a hungry outfit.......... at this stage last year they looked a tired team.
Being fresh for august and sept is what matters
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Post by kerry07 on Jun 3, 2007 23:39:43 GMT
Hard to read much into that today. Reidy and Young looked the business but the quality of the opposition must be factored into the equation. Tomas looked in great shape the best in a while. Tom Sullivan seemed quiet pacy but again not fully tested.Up front I am not too concerned about Kieran he needs match time and will benifit from an intensive programme over the next four weeks. Its Graham Canty up next for Kieran and boy will he need to be ready. Gooch played excellently passing game and shot selection were superb. 07 could be his year!Paul O Connor has matured as a player and I recoken has improved in strength too. He seemed to play well today and so too in a recent challange game.I thought Paul G played well today and was restrained in his play. He kicked some beautifull points. Its early days but compared to this time last year we seem hungrier and fresher. Bros is some operator from CHF his only position.Mickmack is right the target time is August September. I am afraid the cup with no name is only a secondry consideration for both Kerry and Cork at this stage.Basically the Munster Championship is f...ed. I heard Brolly and O Rourke were bemoning the fact that Kerry/Cork have such an easy run into the All Ireland series. I think that certainly Kerry and in all likelyhood Cork too would prefer it otherwise. Its difficult to prepare without good challanges at provential level, But what can we do S.F.A. I really dont want to dump on Waterford today but really what preparation did the do? You know to be honest they have a little cheek dragging us down to a field in Dungarvan with a poor surface and little facilities for a Munster Semi Final. Would their hurlers travel quietly to Kerry to play at a venue like that ? I dont think so. The weaker counties (so called) in my view have made very poor use of the new format and to be honest they cant complain if people start to question their commitment and ultimate involvement in the championship, I know I am in bother now and will be jumped all over for this.Respect is earned not given and when you see Waterford, Tipperary and Clare this year you have to say to yourself that these counties are not interested. They are taking the p..s. Time for a radical change and a move to a champions league type system. Today was a disaster for Waterford and for Kerry well what benifits accrued? none bar that we got home without injury or suspension problems!!!
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 4, 2007 9:16:19 GMT
Cork have had almost as facile a preparation as us, which levels things up a bit. The system is a joke really in Munster. Waterford seemed a lot poorer than their decent effort last year. Their shooting was sub standard even from very scoreable positions, just not nearly good enough. On form how does that make Clare look. There could be another Miltown Malbay Massacre in the pipeline for them depending on next years draw.
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Post by Owenabue on Jun 4, 2007 10:46:06 GMT
From today’s Examiner www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-qqqm=GAA-qqqa=sport-qqqid=34281-qqqx=1.aspHappy? Actually I’m quite disappointed By Diarmuid O’Flynn A WINNING championship debut for Pat O’Shea didn’t elicit the reaction one would expect from the Dr Crokes man in Fraher Field yesterday. You’re disappointed, it was suggested, to gales of laughter, but he was. “To be honest about it, I thought the performance in the second half was poor. We put up a good score in the first half and in some respects that gave us breathing space. Maybe the experience the guys have gained over the last few years meant they might have decided ‘we have to pull up a small bit here’. But there will need to be improvements for the final.” Hold on Pat, how could you be disappointed with such an emphatic win? In fairness, wasn’t the game over at half time, Kerry leading by 2-9 to 0-1, most of the lads already halfway back to the Kingdom, mentally? “Maybe, and maybe we’re striving for perfection too early in the season. But we were a bit rusty in the beginning — we had some handling errors and some scoring chances we didn’t take.” In fairness it was difficult to know how to react to this win by Kerry. Having lost the toss, they were then handed the initiative by Waterford with the strong breeze at their back. They took full advantage and ran up the scores while denying Waterford a sniff at the other end. So, while it’s true that they didn’t hit the high notes, this was because they didn’t need to. The likes of Aidan O’Mahony, Paul Galvin, the Ó Sé brothers — fierce competitors all — all played within themselves. Admitted Marc Ó Sé afterwards: “We felt they’d give us a game, they’re a good team at home but we decided to give it holly from the word go. We wanted to lay down a marker for the first 15 minutes, put up a few good early scores, and we did. That kind of put the kibosh on Waterford.” Game over at half time? “It was, so you don’t really learn much from these games. We’re going to have to really up the ante for the Munster final against Cork. We’ll be with our clubs now for a week, then three weeks to the Munster final, two hard weeks of training.” It wasn’t a bad afternoon for Pat O’Shea, nor anything like it; there was much to be pleased about, not least the performance of his defence, where championship debutants Padraig Reidy and Killian Young really caught the eye. Given that they were replacing icons of the calibre of Seamus Moynihan and Mike McCarthy, given also that this game was televised live — it was an impressive showing from the youngsters. Agreed O’Shea: “What was nice about it was that even though Waterford had a lot of wides, particularly in the second half, defensively there was still good shape, there was still good covering, good help and support. Defensively they performed well, I was happy with that.” O’Shea was also satisfied with midfielder Michael Quirke, making his first championship start and surprising a few people in the process. “He’s been doing well recently. He did well against Dublin in the last league match and did quite well in one or two games we played among ourselves. I thought he acquitted himself quite well.” Alongside Quirke, Darragh Ó Sé did his usual bit to ensure that Kerry were dominant in the midfield area, in the first half especially. Both sat back a little in the second half, satisfied that the job was done. So does it concern Pat at all that unlike most of the big All-Ireland contenders, Kerry will reach the end of June without any kind of real test of where they are this year? The Munster final against bitter rivals Cork on July 1st, will be on a different level entirely. “It will be, but you have to take care of one thing at a time. The Munster final will pose a completely different challenge. I’m sure there will be plenty of sparks. At this time of the year teams are going to play at different levels. I’m not sure if that has a bearing, you have to perform every day you go out, you have to treat every game seriously, perform as well as you can. But they’re all a help, they’re all a benefit.”
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 4, 2007 10:53:53 GMT
Did anyone else think, the management should have brought on Quill first yesterday before Paul O Connor (even though Paul did very well). I thought Sheehan should have been introduced as well. Is Quill still on the panel?
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Post by homerj on Jun 4, 2007 12:57:12 GMT
has declan quill ever started a championship game for kerry? i dont think so anyway. he has to be doing something wrong cos every year he i s outstanding in the league and never makes the championship cut. is he injured at the moment or what?
as for yesterday, job done, nothing major to worry bout or get all excited about. roll on cork in killarney.
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Post by BIGMAC on Jun 4, 2007 13:52:49 GMT
Munster SFC semi-final
Kingdom's giants show no mercy Kerry 2-15 Waterford 0-4
WATERFORD'S footballing summer romance wilted as fleetingly as it had blossomed in this lopsided Munster semi-final in Fraher Field yesterday.
Forget the 'David v Goliath' metaphors.
At times during the first half, when Waterford were completely overrun, this looked more like Kerry bombarding David's pig-tailed little sister, and the resultant romp was exactly what the hosts had hoped to avoid.
The Decies' wheels wobbled badly when Eoin Brosnan blasted his first goal in the 20th minute and came off completely when he rattled the net again six minutes later.
With Colm Cooper, debutant Pádraig Reidy and Michael Quirke also in flying form, it was over as a contest by half-time ( 2-9 to 0-1) even though Waterford's possession improved radically when they took the wind advantage after the break. But again they shot themselves in the foot repeatedly with some terrible kicking (eight wides and four more efforts into the 'keepers' hands) as they nervously continued to take the completely wrong options.
Considering how much better a game they gave the All-Ireland champions in Killarney last year, it is safe to say that, despite their protestations, the media attention and hype garnered by their first championship victory in 19 years really got to them.
For the first 30 minutes, playing against the stiff wind, they were like startled deer in the live television headlights, running up blind alleys every time Kerry, inevitably, crowded them out. Truly, this was like Godzilla versus Bambi.
Manager John Kiely will have to wonder if he didn't help Kerry's cause by playing a forward (Brian Wall) as a sweeper for long periods.
Holding
The intent may have been a 'Donaghy Trap' but actually Thomas O'Gorman handled the big man well enough on his own, even though referee Gearóid Ó Connamha let him away with a ridiculous amount of holding and jersey pulling.
Ultimately, playing so defensively surely helped one of the most attacking half-back lines in the game more open space to gallop through than Frankie Dettori on Derby Day.
The siting of Gary Nurney at full-forward from the off also back-fired, though that was remedied early when it became clear that Waterford's two-man full-forward line would not prosper against a rock-solid defence in which debutant Reidy was in outstanding form.
Justin Walsh, at corner-back, was one of the few Waterford players to find his true form, yet it speaks volumes for the All-Ireland champions' ambition that manager Pat O'Shea, making his own championship debut, was not euphoric in victory.
He was delighted with his defence but "not convinced" elsewhere.
When Kerry clicked, as they did for Brosnan's two goals - both scored when their half-backs took flight and he powered home on an off-load - there was simply no stopping them, but their rhythmic perfection was a little staccato.
With just one score - from midfielder Mick Ahearne - by half-time, there was never a way back for Waterford.
Outscored
They actually outscored Kerry by 0-2 to 0-1 in the opening 16 minutes after the re-start, and were unlucky not to grab a goal in the dying stage when Brian Wall hit the upright and then Gary Hurney crashed the rebound off the crossbar. But the arrival of fresh substitutes like Paul O'Connor and Seán O'Sullivan showed just why the competition for a Kerry jersey is often as great as their players ever encounter wearing it.
Indeed, at one stage, it looked like those two Kerry subs alone would match Waterford's scoring.
Stung by being dropped for last year's All-Ireland final, Brosnan is definitely out to prove a point and looked set for a hat-trick in the second half until a timely Eddie Rockett intervention.
The Gooch's 0-5 (0-2f) showed he's returning to form and, at 6'7", dual star Michael Quirke, actually starting his first championship game for Kerry, managed to dwarf Darragh Ó Sé in stature and form in his brave efforts to gain a foothold in midfield.
But, as Kerry acceded, it is easy to decimate Bambi with a bazooka and Munster's heavy artillery has still to come.
Sadly, given the boost their defeat of Clare gave them, Waterford footballers, in some respects, now have a much tougher mountain to climb.
SCORERS - Kerry: E Brosnan 2-2, C Cooper 0-5 (0-2f), P Galvin 0-2, P O'Connor 0-2 (0-1f), M O Se, T O Se and S O'Sullivan 0-1 each, MF Russell 0-1 (f). Waterford: M Ahearne 0-2, A Hubbard 0-1, B Wall 0-1f.
TEAMS PLAYER RATINGS
KERRY - D Murphy 8; P Reidy 9, T O'Sullivan 8, M O Se 8; T O Se 9, A O'Mahony 7, K Young 7; D O Se 6, M Quirke 8; Declan O'Sullivan (Capt) 7, E Brosnan 9, P Galvin 9; C Cooper 9, K Donaghy 7, MF Russell 6. Subs: P O'Connor 8 for Russell (42), Darren O'Sullivan 6 for Declan O'Sullivan (58), Sean O'Sullivan 8 for Galvin (59), S Scanlon 7 for Quirke (63), M Lyons for Young (68).
WATERFORD - T Wall 8; J Walsh 9, T O'Gorman 8, S Briggs 7; P Ogle 6, E Rockett 6, J Phelan 6; M Ahearne 7, J Hurney 7; W Hennessy 6, A Hubbard 7, G Power 6; B Wall 5, G Hurney 7; L O Lionain 7. Subs: E Walsh 8 for Ogle (h-t), L Lawlor 7 for Ó Lionain (54), A Ahearne 7 for J Hurney (51), M O'Gorman for Power (65), J Ryan for Phelan (65).
REF- G O Connamha (Galway).
Att: 4,000 (est).
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Post by Piggy on Jun 4, 2007 17:39:59 GMT
Tomas O Se's performance against Waterford was one of the main reasons to feel optimistic for the coming year!looked like the player that won the footballer of the year award afew years ago(worrying for shannon rangers).
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 4, 2007 19:06:32 GMT
The main thing from yesterday is that Young and Reidy look the part
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Post by JOAN on Jun 4, 2007 20:30:02 GMT
I agree Mick mack they played wvery well they were the only reason I paid 20 to see instead of Radio Kerry via the web . I think Young is the lad to watch this year.. I think he will be huge for Kerry.
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Post by martym on Jun 4, 2007 22:31:29 GMT
I hope the Star has a good month he needs to sharpen up hos handpassing was poor .
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 4, 2007 22:40:45 GMT
How can yis even bother discussing that game seriously? The really sad thing for Munster GAA is that the media tried to make a big deal of it by building Waterford up. They must be more depressed than ever. Still, at least we have the honoured pleasure of watching Paidi & Micko battling it out for the Tommy Murphy! ;D
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Post by kerryeye on Jun 4, 2007 22:47:12 GMT
The fact that the media had put pressure on Waterford made it ten times harder for them,they had been expected to come and put in a decent performance(which for them would be losing by 5 or 6 points)but there was added pressure with live Tv and everything.They shot alot of bad wides,its not easy for these lads to go and play against the best players in the country.
Games like that dont benefit anyone really,maybe except for players like Reidy and Young to get settled into senior inter county championship.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 4, 2007 22:54:46 GMT
The fact that the media had put pressure on Waterford made it ten times harder for them,they had been expected to come and put in a decent performance(which for them would be losing by 5 or 6 points)but there was added pressure with live Tv and everything.They shot alot of bad wides,its not easy for these lads to go and play against the best players in the country. Games like that dont benefit anyone really,maybe except for players like Reidy and Young to get settled into senior inter county championship. It was painful to see a team humiliated like that. Year in year out, there has to be a better way?
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Post by kerryeye on Jun 4, 2007 23:03:06 GMT
It wasnt so painful from our point of view . We have seen a change this year with division four teams going straight into Tommy Murphy after first round defeats,and they're all complaining about this as they want to play championship football.What I'm saying is that teams like Waterford still want the chance to compete against Kerry even if it means taking a hammering like yesterdays.They dont train all Winter to play in Tommy Murphy Cup and i think if we saw them being kicked out of the race for Sam Maguire it would have a very negative effect in getting the players to play football for the counties.They all love getting their chance to be on the same field as legends like Dara and Gooch. Dont think we'll be seeing a change too quickly.Imagine if a player like Declan Browne wasnt allowed play top class championship football every summer.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 4, 2007 23:29:32 GMT
It wasnt so painful from our point of view . We have seen a change this year with division four teams going straight into Tommy Murphy after first round defeats,and they're all complaining about this as they want to play championship football.What I'm saying is that teams like Waterford still want the chance to compete against Kerry even if it means taking a hammering like yesterdays.They dont train all Winter to play in Tommy Murphy Cup and i think if we saw them being kicked out of the race for Sam Maguire it would have a very negative effect in getting the players to play football for the counties.They all love getting their chance to be on the same field as legends like Dara and Gooch. Dont think we'll be seeing a change too quickly.Imagine if a player like Declan Browne wasnt allowed play top class championship football every summer. I mean a better way to improve standards
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Post by kerryeye on Jun 5, 2007 0:06:33 GMT
They could introduce a transfer market and they could buy all the kerry subs ;D.
Seriously though,The only way for the weaker counties is to start right from the start,down at under age level.Proper coaching standards etc..need to be implemented into them counties before they can go anywhere.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 5, 2007 8:56:50 GMT
The town - sh1te The ground - sh1te the 2nd half - absolute sh1te
You cant beat the championship can you?!
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 5, 2007 11:17:47 GMT
There's 12 positions locked down on the Kerry team with wing-back, midfield and corner-forward the positions that are still up for grabs. I know Reidy has yet to have a proper test but I've a lot of faith in him passing with flying colours against Cork.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 5, 2007 11:21:52 GMT
what about sean ban a t 10 jo90,declan did well,it was his first game since the all-ireland final
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Post by buck02 on Jun 5, 2007 11:22:11 GMT
There's 12 positions locked down on the Kerry team with wing-back, midfield and corner-forward the positions that are still up for grabs. Full forward?
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Post by Timoleague on Jun 5, 2007 12:29:41 GMT
Thought the backs were fine - the positions up for grabs are
Midfield - Quirke not bad, but holy God is he cumbersome - can't see him holding off Tommy Griffen Wing Forward - don't think Declan is a wing forward, thought Seán Sull was much better when he came on - Darren wasn't bad either, but likely to be kept as an impact sub for a while Corner Forward - Again Mike F wasn't overly hot, Paul O' C was better - surprised Declan Quill wasn't tried.
I was sitting just in front of the subs, Declan Quill didn't look overly happy. Also, maybe it was the close proximity, but the entire Kerry panel seems to have bulked up further since last year.
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Post by watchdehop on Jun 5, 2007 12:54:27 GMT
Thought the backs were fine - the positions up for grabs are Midfield - Quirke not bad, but holy God is he cumbersome - can't see him holding off Tommy Griffen Wing Forward - don't think Declan is a wing forward, thought Seán Sull was much better when he came on - Darren wasn't bad either, but likely to be kept as an impact sub for a while Corner Forward - Again Mike F wasn't overly hot, Paul O' C was better - surprised Declan Quill wasn't tried. I was sitting just in front of the subs, Declan Quill didn't look overly happy. Also, maybe it was the close proximity, but the entire Kerry panel seems to have bulked up further since last year. Don't know what happened with Quill. o'Connor came on and did OK but Quill is only suited to the right corner and not the left. Quill is really in direct competition with Gooch and thats a tall task. Tough on Quill cos he is a good footballer. Can see Sean O'Sullivan closely challening for a place with Darren to remain in the impact sub mode. Looks like O'Connor will be keeping Mike Frank on his toes.
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Post by kerryeye on Jun 5, 2007 12:59:49 GMT
Was impressed with o Connor alright,took a great free aswell after winning it himself.We've unbelievable options in the forwards.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 5, 2007 17:27:03 GMT
waterford should be let into Leinster where standards are a good bit lower. Over time they would benefit....... it might take 3 years but they are no worse now than longford and westmeath and wicklow were a few years ago
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 5, 2007 18:27:07 GMT
The town - sh1te The ground - sh1te the 2nd half - absolute sh1te You cant beat the championship can you?! Dungarvan is a lovely town, and the ground in a beautiful location. Jealousy will get you nowhere
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 5, 2007 18:33:02 GMT
waterford should be let into Leinster where standards are a good bit lower. Over time they would benefit....... it might take 3 years but they are no worse now than longford and westmeath and wicklow were a few years ago Even better, get the great Jack OConnor to coach them, bring in a few mercenaries, sure before you know it they might get a draw with Carlow, or even Wexford! We could have "Leinster North & South" Championships, get a mural of Maurice Fitz to coach Kilkenny. Cork & Kerry could play each other 4 times before agreeing that Kerry represent Munster in the All-I Quarters
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Post by Piggy on Jun 5, 2007 22:10:54 GMT
funny man!!!!
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Post by kerry07 on Jun 6, 2007 10:05:30 GMT
Prediction :Watch Munster (Cork & Kerry) this year in the All Ireland Championship. If they stay apart after Munster the resullt could be surprising for some. One of Cork or Kerry if not both will be playing on the Third Sunday in Sept. despite the disadvantage associated with the provence.
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