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Post by kerrygold on Jun 1, 2007 9:34:49 GMT
good point buck02,the half forward line is the only place for sheehan,how does he get in ahead of darren,sean ban,galvin,dec,brosnan.?He is not a ball winner on the full forward line,he doesnt have the positional sence in my mind for the full forward line,and doent seem to have the speed for the half forward line.Does any know if he has been fully injury free for the last two months?,i feel he would need an uninterupted run in training to be challenging for a place on the team.
i'd have the reservations about quirk,but a lot of people seem to think midfield is his best popsition watching club football,its proberly no harm to give him a run v waterford,if he holds his place you will know after 15 or 20 minutes of a munster final in killarney v cork if he good enough.
basketball has nothing to do with it.
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Post by Owenabue on Jun 1, 2007 9:41:14 GMT
Ye only beat them by 8 points last year in Killarney. By all accounts they have improved, so I'd say the cricket scores and "it's only Waterford" comments are being a bit presumptuous.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 1, 2007 9:52:24 GMT
If you remove your third point, I might respond buck. With that there, it dilutes the whole thing. I suppose my point being what does Pat O Shea see in him that Jack O Connor didnt - does Pat reckon that Quirkes basketball skills (ball handling, vision) will be able to make up for the shortcomings in some of his footballing skills.
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Post by watchdehop on Jun 1, 2007 10:07:29 GMT
If you remove your third point, I might respond buck. With that there, it dilutes the whole thing. I suppose my point being what does Pat O Shea see in him that Jack O Connor didnt - does Pat reckon that Quirkes basketball skills (ball handling, vision) will be able to make up for the shortcomings in some of his footballing skills. Are ball handling and vision not football skills? So is catching which he can do also. Also in regards to Quirke and criticising him. If we are to believe that Tommy Griffin was injured in the run up to this game what other midfielders in the county should be playing? Scanlon must be mentioned as he is a sub who else should be there. Its easy to be critical of Quirke but what do people think the alternative should be? If they can't come up with an alternative they are being critcal for the sake of being critical no?
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Post by Owenabue on Jun 1, 2007 10:22:00 GMT
One would think that catching the ball could actually be called a skill in football as well.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 1, 2007 10:43:14 GMT
vision on a football pitch is the greatest skill a footballer can have.
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Post by Piggy on Jun 1, 2007 11:28:52 GMT
Speed and Strenght are ahead of vision in my opinion
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Post by buck02 on Jun 1, 2007 11:30:14 GMT
I should have said his improved ball handling skills and vision due to him playing basketball that he probably wouldnt have if he only played football.
Anyway, on a different note, does naybody know where the pitch in Dungarvan is, do you have to go into the town or can you get to it by the by-pass. Any places close by to go for a pint beforehand??
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Post by yellowbelly on Jun 1, 2007 13:41:37 GMT
Hope the Honey Monster has a good game. Think he has a really good pair of hands but lacks the mobility that Darragh has and I think this will cost him at Inter-County Level. Pat O'Shea obviously doesn't rate him as a full forward as he only played a short while at full forward in the league, but the glimpses we saw of him in midfield were promising.
Overall think Tommy will get his place back when fit or Scanlon or Donnacha Walshe might sneak in to contention too.
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Post by watchdehop on Jun 1, 2007 13:45:54 GMT
I should have said his improved ball handling skills and vision due to him playing basketball that he probably wouldnt have if he only played football. Anyway, on a different note, does naybody know where the pitch in Dungarvan is, do you have to go into the town or can you get to it by the by-pass. Any places close by to go for a pint beforehand?? Its the off the by pass on the non town side. The left hand side if you are coming from the Cork direction. Its after about the 3rd or 4 roundabout. Not far from the town. You might be as well parking in town and strolling out to it. The Burkes used to have a hotel and I think the sons used to play with Waterford.......
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 1, 2007 13:54:49 GMT
Speed and Strenght are ahead of vision in my opinion darren o sullivan has speed and strenght,maybe the kerry management should get wind tunnels so the lads can blindly run down blind alleys to inrease speed and strenght without having to look up. is darren playing on sunday piggy?
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Post by Owenabue on Jun 1, 2007 14:12:48 GMT
Bit harsh there Kerrygold, but you do have a point. I know we’ve a few who could run lengths of the pitch but then fail to give an accurate pass to the full forward line. No point really. Also no point in killing all around you in midfield with animal type strength to get the ball and then failing to give an accurate pass.
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Post by JOAN on Jun 1, 2007 19:10:58 GMT
Lads I said this mts ago about the Forwards. There are so many to chose from I would hate to be the Manager... Look Sean, Darren, scanlon, Donnach, and Sheehan not mention O connor and quill are all in there fighting for their place and you still have proven players like galvin declan eoin gooch MFR and Star there. I am interested to see how Quirke will do and I totally disagree that speed is the game. You need to be strong and have a good read of where a ball should go and to find the open man. Eamon Fitz would never have been know for speed but strong as a ox in the back line. Speed on the wings is needed but vision and strenght needed more
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 1, 2007 19:17:59 GMT
I am a fan of Darren o Sullivan and I love his attitute and guts and bravery............ but................ every time he heads off on one of those "head down" runs through the middle I think of Mickey Ned O Sullivan in 1975 and you know what happend to him when he met Sean Doherty with his pointy elbows up.
I really fear that he is not tall enough for that role unlike Eoin Brosnan who is unstoppable when he puts the head down and heads for goal
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 1, 2007 20:43:18 GMT
brosnan is like a thoroughbred when when he pins back the ears,he also see everything else developing around him though.
i agree very much about eamonn fitz joan.
we might be looking at our six championship forwards on sunday for the summer,i dont see much variations happening,darren and sheehan will be proberly be used a lot as subs.A lot will depend on mfrs form,but i think he can improve even more on last summer,sean ban will be pushing hard for a place during the summer.
unless of course brosnan ends up midfield which might open up the door for one of the other lads on the half forward line.Tommy could also drop back to wing back if one of the new bucks was struggling.
The task is to get the best 15 players on the team
you'll proberly find,galvin,brosnan,gooch and kieran will be the 4 core forwards during the summer,if declan and mfr ignite we will be in clover.
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Post by JOAN on Jun 2, 2007 3:08:14 GMT
I agree with you Mick mack. I think Darren has proven what he is made of and can do. A bit samll alrigh but I think he has a ton to offer coming of the bench and playing on the wing. I hope that he will get a fair run height should not be a factor if Kerry and other teams are going to keep playing the short pass game.. Then it wont matter really will it.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jun 2, 2007 17:00:39 GMT
Quirke is there to win ball, plain and simple. Waterford have big men in midfield who have played both junior and senior for Waterford. They hit Kerry hard in midfield last year, and we need a strong presence there tomorrow.....hence Mike Quirke.
And Pat hasn't chosen him because of his basketball skills. If anything, not having an out and out ball carrier at midfield means we are going to be bringing our half forwards deep towards midfield and playing a catch and kick game from there.
Just a hunch - but I don't think we'll see the basketball game we all feared tomorrow.
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Post by JOAN on Jun 2, 2007 20:40:18 GMT
Stacks I think Quirke will surprise a few tomorrow. I have great faith in him. I would love to see him do well.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 2, 2007 21:12:30 GMT
Quirke is not mobile and will stay put at midfield.
I am reminded of the Kerry midfield in the 80s of Jack o Shea and Ambrose o Donovan. Jack ran all over the pitch and Ambrose minded the house at midfield.
In the Evening Press , Con Houlihan said after one particular match;
"Ambrose stayed in the nest while Jacko foraged"
I think that the kicking tee used by goalies suits Quirke and Dara as the ball hangs in teh air longer from the kickouts.
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Post by JOAN on Jun 3, 2007 3:59:07 GMT
And if it works and a win is the out come YAHOO.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jun 3, 2007 13:33:46 GMT
0-0 to 2-6 after 30 minutes.
We mean business but it's only the first round.
Mistakes being made, but they look hungry in the first half which is a good sign.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jun 3, 2007 15:09:58 GMT
Waterford 0-04, Kerry 2-15.
Despite slowing down considerably in the second half, Kerry still qualified for the Munster final.
The backs looked hungry and made very few mistakes, with Killian Young and Tomas O'Se showing very well.
Midfield was solid - Mike Quirke did all the work and Darragh was happy out playing second fiddle today.
The forwards were good enough with the exception of Star who looked off the pace and just not in the game.
It's a start, with much work to be done before we hit the Munster final. But there were signs of hunger there. Hopefully that will be sustained.
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Post by JOAN on Jun 3, 2007 15:50:42 GMT
though star was been being double tagged which allowed Brosnan to open up for goal. He was off his pace a bit.Waterford too much short passing I hate it. Impressed with Young did very well. Quike play ok I am glad for him. Dont think that is the final 15 though O shea will play with it a bit more. Galvin did well MFR Gooch also Declan did a lot of running which is what he does and the wing a better place for him but I am not sure yet about him being the #10 full time.
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Post by Aine on Jun 3, 2007 16:26:10 GMT
A job well done. Quirke played well. Think star needed this game to get back into things, he can only improve. Really impressed with Reidy and Young. Its great we have such competition for places as keeps players on their toes. Glad Mossie Lyons got a run.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 3, 2007 17:39:28 GMT
Job done! What more can we say, this system has to change however. The gulf in class today was a joke. It was no advantage to us having a facile victory like that; I really would have liked our fellas to have a tougher test before facing Cork. However, I thought our newcomers did well, and next time out it’s the real deal. Star was well out of sorts today, understandably enough coming back from injury, so hopefully he will come right for the Munster final.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 3, 2007 18:06:46 GMT
Hard to take much from the game other than that kerry arrived to do business,they looked fit and hungry and eager.
I thought paul o connor looked lively when he came on.Brosnan is some player coming through the middle,i'd imagine his place will be very secure this year on the forty.Gooch looked bright and has scored more from play already in the munster championship than he did during all of last years munster campain.
You have to say kerry looked to be in better shape than they were this time last,but you couldnt really take anything from this facile fixture.
You'd wonder how long more will it take before there is a major over haul of the championship structure,to-day was pointless for both waterford and kerry.
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Post by Piggy on Jun 3, 2007 18:40:39 GMT
Played well,looked very hungry alright!thought Reidy had a great game,Cork will be a big test for him though! I wouldnt call running with the ball and keeping our head up vision Kerrygold.
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Post by BIGMAC on Jun 3, 2007 18:52:59 GMT
looked the part lads but it must be said against very very poor opposition,tougher tasks ahead me thinks
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Post by Aine on Jun 3, 2007 19:35:24 GMT
yeah there wil be tougher tasks ahead but we went out to win and we won so job done.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Jun 3, 2007 20:38:54 GMT
I thought impressive win today all round. In particular Reidy looked assured, Tom O'Se looked back to his old self, Brosnan was top class and Paul O'Connor took a couple of good scores.
Quirke could be a good sub if he keeps at it and I wouldn't worry about Donaghy he was brutal today but will improve.
A bit annoying though to see Galvin trying to trip an opponent.
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