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Post by austinstacksabu on Jun 13, 2006 10:59:28 GMT
So, the old rivals are back for their third championship joust in a little over a year.
What kind of team would you like to see fielded? Better still, if we started with the same 15, do you think we could actually send in low balls to Darren O'Sullivan? Would we actually pass something into Gooch? Is Bryan Sheehan the man for full forward or should we revert to Declan there?
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Post by ruralgaa on Jun 13, 2006 11:03:18 GMT
Keep Declan Sullivan out on the wing.......after watching the match sunday and the league campaign he's more suited to that position. if he goes full forward he wiull only bring Graham Canty out wid him and that would suit canty down to the ground.
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Post by ruralgaa on Jun 13, 2006 11:08:30 GMT
They will probably have anthony lynch marking Gooch, other corner corner back connor is fast but beatable, cork centre back is poor too. Cork don't offer much a threat up front at the moment so the battle is between kerry's forwards and cork's backs.
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Post by milko on Jun 13, 2006 11:10:09 GMT
Fitzmaurice in for brosnan from the start and leave the rest the way it is for a while to see how it goes.
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Post by Joxer on Jun 13, 2006 11:43:14 GMT
I keep thinking back to a column by Eugene McGee earlier this year which had the headline....'If Kerry have a cunning plan, they're hiding it well'. I just think there must be a cunning plan for later in the year because at present we have all the appearances of not having much of any kind of plan. To be honest. I didn't think Fitz was that much of an improvement on Bros and Bros was very poor. I'd go with the following forward lines for the Munster Final...
D.O'Sullivan Paul Galvin Darren O'Sullivan
Paul O'Connor Bryan Sheehan Gooch
I don't for one minute think thats the cunning plan....it would want to be a helluva lot more cunning than that...but I don't think we'll need to be all that brilliant to win in the munster final 9famous last words and all that) because unless Cork improve and with Morgan at the helm I don't think its going to be a radical improvement, we should be able for them.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 13, 2006 13:14:59 GMT
We've beaten them in the last 4 championship meetings so the law of averages and past history of meetings between Kerry & Cork mean its high time for a Cork win. I think this game will be one of the most ugly games between the sides in the recent past cos Morgan will just play 13 behind the ball at all times. They will also try to rough us up big time, sly digs, off the ball stuff etc. Derrys display against Tyrone wont be lost on Morgan, trust me.
Not sure what we'll do about the forwards - Darren didnt work the last day so maybe its time to give Paul Connor his first chance or Mike Frank his chance at redemption. Dont know what to think about Eoin Brosnan, his form is obviously poor and his confidence must also be extremely low, I'd nearly give him another cut on the 40. Other than that I'd leave the forward line as it was the last day, only hopefully we'll see better ball into the full forward line and the full forward line offering a few more options of the ball.
Its also probably time for MikeMc to come back in full back, with Mossie Lyons being the very unlucky one to lose out.
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Post by JOAN on Jun 14, 2006 3:21:59 GMT
Good to see eamon in sunday. Brosan to me is not a starter
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Post by bmorgan on Jun 14, 2006 8:52:48 GMT
COME ON CORK,I CAN SMELL THE FEAR UP YE BOYOS
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Post by Joxer on Jun 14, 2006 9:34:06 GMT
Ah now bmorgan, its not fear you smell at all, you should know that by now...coming from where you're coming, its something else entirely that be wafting on the breeze ;D
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Post by bmorgan on Jun 14, 2006 10:32:17 GMT
JOXER U SHOULD BE IN STUTTGART, WERE GOING TO KILLARNEY TO WIN THE MUNSTER, A TIRED TEAM IS WHAT YE ARE, WE HAD OUR BAD GAME AGAINST LIMERICK,
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Post by Joxer on Jun 14, 2006 11:04:16 GMT
ye did bmorgan, ye did indeed have ye're bad game against Limerick....and of course then theres the league games but lets not talk about the league...theres ye're last championship match before last sunday...now who was that against again???....nope, won't come to me, guess ye must have performed great anyway. Ye've a lot to prove...handy enough in your opinion against a tired, rudderless team but ye can't always keep playing training games against ye'reselves...hope ye turn up this time and not like last august
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Post by animal on Jun 14, 2006 12:38:09 GMT
I think bmorgan, you should note that the reality and probability is that we can afford to play badly ( again) and still beat ye. Not an ideal situation as we'd rather sterner opposition before the knockout stages. (just thought I'd stoke the auld fire a bit)
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Post by mossie on Jun 14, 2006 12:43:44 GMT
mike mac is just too good to be a sub. I would drop all our defenders bar Tomas Se to make a place for him. he should be match fit by the munster final. I feel Jack will have him on the starting 15 by the time the year is out. mite stick with the backs for the munster final but after that Mike Mac will be back in.
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Post by kerryman on Jun 14, 2006 13:30:54 GMT
I agree with Joxers starting forwards above. I also mentioned in some other thread that Moynihan should be an impact sub. Wrong. Start him at centre back.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 14, 2006 14:47:13 GMT
What have Darren Sullivan and Paul Connor done to justify a starting place in the forwards ahead of the likes of Brosnan and Russell in your opinion Joxer (and Kerryman)? Cork in a Munster Final isnt the time to throw 2 young, light lads into the fray. And when has Paul Galvin played centre forward before?
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Post by bluesball on Jun 14, 2006 14:50:03 GMT
GAME WILL BE OVER BY HALF TIME,GIVE ME PLENTY OF TIME TO GET HOME AND WATCH THE WORLD CUP FINAL.COME ON ITALY
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Post by watchdahop on Jun 14, 2006 16:55:42 GMT
Are you on some kind of wind up bluesball?
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Post by FatTom on Jun 14, 2006 18:36:27 GMT
I for one wouldn't mind seeing Paul O Connor in the full forward line. If our tactic is high ball into Sheahan forget about it cause Canty will swallow that up all day. People have said to me the forwards weren't showing. Bull. Its too slow coming in and when it does its too high. Keep it low and fast into the space and Gooch will win it. Dunno what happened our excellent diagonal ball tactic from the last few years but it has been non existant so far. We're stronger at midfield than last year and our backs should be too strong for Cork. But we need great improvements if we are even to get as far as we did last year.
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Post by kerryman on Jun 15, 2006 12:01:08 GMT
What have Darren Sullivan and Paul Connor done to justify a starting place in the forwards ahead of the likes of Brosnan and Russell in your opinion Joxer (and Kerryman)? Cork in a Munster Final isnt the time to throw 2 young, light lads into the fray. And when has Paul Galvin played centre forward before? Darren O Sullivan didn't play well the last day but both himself and O Connor get the ball and put it over the bar more often than Russell and Brosnan from what I've seen this year. Brosnan seems to have zero interest and Russell isn't exactly a giant of a man relative to Darren and Paul. Russell and Brosnan have onl been good as subs this year. I reckon Galvin is well able for anywhere on the half forward line.
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Post by outsider23 on Jun 15, 2006 13:05:54 GMT
All Kerry need to do is break even midfield and the game is theirs cos their forwards are far superior. K. O Connor will mark the Gooch. He did pretty well last August against him (after the damage had been done). Just hope it'll be a tough close game cos it's what both teams need for later in the year.
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Post by moth on Jun 15, 2006 15:58:31 GMT
I expect a huge improvement from Cork and hopefully we will get one. Our forwards won't get much from the Cork defence, while I expect our backs to make life difficult for Cork upfront. In the past, we have struggled against Cork in midfield ... it's important that we get a reasonable return here. Forget about the world cup - we can't influence that - let's get behind the team and cheer them on to the final whistle. This game is far from a foregone conclusion the way we have been playing so far this summer.
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Post by smellUlater on Jun 16, 2006 11:24:42 GMT
Kerry by 6/7 points if playing badly. Playing well could be closer to 10-15. The corner backs for kerry will eat james Masters for breakfast. As for the rest of the cork forwards, Billy would be better off trying to get Stephen Wallace to tog off i nthe red and white!!
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Post by northkerry on Jun 17, 2006 8:53:36 GMT
is it set for killarney def? heard diff things around
think the backs and midfield will pick themselves but its tough on mike mc.....but who cud you drop??...seamus??...prob been the least impressive of the backs this championship....in saying that he hasnt done much wrong either
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CC BS Darren O' S (still unconvinced tho but with MFR not in good form & ye know what I think of Ronán O' C!)
Declan O' S Bros (but he needs to pull d socks up bigtime) PG (workhorse)
Jasus what is it about the old enemy (even if they are not the power they were) thats gets d blood flowing??!!
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Post by realist on Jun 17, 2006 11:08:14 GMT
Lads the cork game wont be as easy as some of ye are saying. They will give our lads plenty to think about. They usually do, and having to come to Killarney will only act to spur them on more
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 17, 2006 17:14:02 GMT
I hope Cork try to mix it physically with us. They will be crap at that aswell and that headcase O Leary will be sent off for sure.
Cork are dreadful, one of the worst cork teams I have seen in years. I hope cork bring back Fionnan Murray....it will give Tom O Sullivan something to do.
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Post by KY50 on Jun 23, 2006 9:06:26 GMT
Folks, Don't underestimate Cork. They have put a significant amount of work into getting the team right for the championship this year. A weeks warm weather training in May and they are starting to well in recent weeks. Some nights they are training in Inishshannon. They are really geared up for this one. The poor performance against Limerick was exactly what they wanted.Armagh, Dublin have not been impressive yet. Bear in mind that Cork have better forwards this year. I know it did not show against Limerick. Goulding, Gould and O Sullivan are much better.Also remember 2002, 1998 etc
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Post by buck02 on Jun 23, 2006 9:30:08 GMT
Oh this is their all ireland final alrite, Morgan will have them out of their minds before the game. I've said it before but they'll try copy Derry's tactics against Tyrone, they couldnt care how they win if they win. Expect at least 8 yellow cards and a few for Kerry too!
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jun 23, 2006 9:38:40 GMT
Oh this is their all ireland final alrite, Morgan will have them out of their minds before the game. I've said it before but they'll try copy Derry's tactics against Tyrone, they couldnt care how they win if they win. Expect at least 8 yellow cards and a few for Kerry too! And therefore, Star to be sent off!
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Post by buck02 on Jun 23, 2006 10:46:04 GMT
Oh this is their all ireland final alrite, Morgan will have them out of their minds before the game. I've said it before but they'll try copy Derry's tactics against Tyrone, they couldnt care how they win if they win. Expect at least 8 yellow cards and a few for Kerry too! And therefore, Star to be sent off! Maybe he's learnt his lesson after the red card last weekend. I'm sure he'll be targetted by lads giving him sly digs off the ball in an attempt to get a similar response. Its one of the things he'll have to learn with.
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Post by watchdahop on Jun 23, 2006 10:57:38 GMT
Hopefully Star has learnt his lesson against the Brendans. He has been inclined to get stuck in the ref in the last two Kerry games also. Now is the time to be getting that out of the system and not have to learn the hard way later on.
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