seamus
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Post by seamus on Jul 11, 2006 9:13:02 GMT
Mossy Lyons looked lost last Sunday and the game passed him by. That is why he was taken off.
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Post by watchdahop on Jul 11, 2006 9:26:08 GMT
Mossy Lyons looked lost last Sunday and the game passed him by. That is why he was taken off. I can think of a few more fellows that were lost in the half forward line. Changes for next Sunday please. I won't be holding my breath though........
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Post by Jo90 on Jul 11, 2006 9:31:35 GMT
The problem with MFR is that he is getting cleaned out regularly at club level by non-intercounty backs so it's hard to see how he'd do well against Cork.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jul 11, 2006 9:58:23 GMT
The problem with MFR is that he is getting cleaned out regularly at club level by non-intercounty backs so it's hard to see how he'd do well against Cork. Now we're talking sense. Thanks for that jo.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jul 11, 2006 9:59:06 GMT
Mossy Lyons looked lost last Sunday and the game passed him by. That is why he was taken off. To be fair Seamus, I'd have taken Tomas off before Mossy.
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Post by smellUlater on Jul 11, 2006 10:29:16 GMT
Here is a list of players that could be dropped from the last day: Seamus (legs running out) Tomas (gone back a lot) Mossy (asleep aginst cork) Declan (needs to be more constuctive than destuctive in his thinking) Brosnan (did the guards find him yet?) Paul Connor (not up to it yet) Gooch Brian Sheehan too but he did kick 2 massive points which no other forward kerry forwrd could do. (not contributing much from play) Dara O se could be added to the list but he has been fairly good throughout the year so will give him one bad performance. I know not everyone will be dropped but at least 3 from that bunch should be.
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Post by watchdahop on Jul 11, 2006 10:30:17 GMT
Dropping fellows is one thing who are they going to be replaced with.
Name some alternative teams to the ones that played the last day. When you start doing that you quickly realise we ain't got a lot of forwards to come in........
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Post by ruralgaa on Jul 11, 2006 10:32:30 GMT
i know we were very poor sunday but in fairness that's a coming team that cork have. i have seen a lot of those younger players playing sunday against kerry underage the last few years. they ave some very good young players and the reason cork were being written off so much is that no one outside of their county really knew them.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Jul 11, 2006 10:39:21 GMT
I would be in favour of giving sean sullivan a go on the wing, put brosnan midfield (where he is better anyway) leave declan in full forward and play sheehan on teh 40. And keep the half forward line in attack mode. it would free up a lot of space for the half backs to set up the moves that they couldnt do last sunday
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Post by smellUlater on Jul 11, 2006 10:44:36 GMT
I would prob drop Mossy Lyons for Tommy Griffin. No prob if it was Seamus or Tomas either that got dropped. Brosnan for Sean Sullivan. Paul Connor will go for Darren Sullivan.
Gooch dropped for Mike Frank or Ronan O Connor (only a temporary thing though). I know all in all kerrys squad is fairly limited.? Not asking him to be dropped as he is a legend but would it do him good to take a time out and then come on when really needed? Also Declan could be easily dropped for Eamon Fitz in the half forward line or MF or Ronan in the full forward line. that 5 possible changes a bit too much but def 3 needed i think to spark a bit of life into this team
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Post by ruralgaa on Jul 11, 2006 10:51:25 GMT
Gooch leading the line of hotshots who have gone cold From:The Irish Independent Tuesday, 11th July, 2006 AT least he's in good company. When Colm Cooper looks north this morning he may gain some satisfaction from the plight of some of his most qualified contemporaries.
Stephen O'Neill and Eoin Mulligan are both reflecting on a season that's over before it ever even began, while Armagh's Steven McDonnell, with just a point to show from his Ulster final on Sunday, has been struggling with form to such an extent that elements of the Armagh support have been on his back for the first time since his emergence in 1999.
Cooper, O'Neill and McDonnell shared the three full-forward positions in last year's Vodafone All Star football team, but at the mid-point of this championship season none of them are among the top scorers.
Cooper's form is perhaps most alarming. In April, as Kerry prepared for a league final against Galway it was a question of 'who could stop him'. Now all of Kerry is wondering what can start him again. He has drawn blanks in each of his three Munster championship matches to date, an unprecedented slump from the game's marquee forward over the last four years. Seasoned Kerry observers will take heart that there was more urgency in his game last Sunday, that he was busier in the second half than he had been.
But the fleet of foot sorcerer that has lit up every championship since he announced his arrival spectacularly in 2002 is absent for the time being and the football championship is all the poorer for it.
At this stage of last year's Munster championship, Cooper had racked up an impressive 3-12 from play as free-taking duties were left mainly to Dara Ó Cinneide.
A 2-5 haul against Limerick in the Munster semi-final was his most significant tour de force and two points from play in a tight, low-scoring Munster final helped Kerry over the line. Even his 1-5 against Tipperary was racked up in Semple Stadium with alarming ease.
If he had 3-12 to his name he would now be the championship's second most prolific scorer behind Matty Forde with 1-25.
Contrast those figures with the famine he now endures in championship 2006. Without a score from play and just four frees in three matches, the game's most gifted forward languishes in the scoring charts. Even his free-taking was awry on Sunday last.
In one instance, he had an opportunity midway through the second half to reduce the deficit to a point but sent a kick, perfectly placed for a left footer, so badly wide it drew derisory cheers from the Cork support and injected fresh hope for the under-siege Cork players.
Kerry have been classed as a one-man attack, and even Jack O'Connor suggested he needed new modes of support after the league match in Tyrone earlier this year, but that theory is being put to the test now.
1 MAN MARKING Billy Morgan made the ultimate sacrifice for Sunday's Munster final. He deployed Graham Canty, arguably Cork's most effective player and most definitely a central figure, to man mark 'Gooch'.
Canty has been Cork's driving force from a variety of positions over the last number of years, but isolating him in the corner on Cooper marked a significant change in policy from the Cork management who were happy to detail Niall Geary and Kieran O'Connor to shadow him when he destroyed them in last year's All-Ireland semi-final.
The presence of the more physical and aggressive Canty on his patch clearly had the desired effect as Cooper was never able to find that extra yard of space to take aim.
Other teams may take a lead from Cork in future by deploying taller and agile defenders to shepherd him. Waterford gave the responsibility of marking him to Shane Briggs when the sides met in the Munster quarter-final and again Briggs, who is a different style of player to Canty, was successful as a disciplined approach paid off very well indeed.
2 CONFIDENCE With the flow of scores reduced to a trickle naturally there is going to be a confidence deficit. In a couple of challenge matches prior to the Munster final and in a club game for Dr Crokes, Cooper showed a glimpse of his early season form. But his body language and trademark movement across the full-forward line is not as sharp as it has been in the past.
Significantly, his main contribution in Sunday's Munster final was in a deeper more creative role as he set up three second-half scores.
He showed a reluctance to hang in close to the goals however and fight for whatever ball was coming in, preferring instead to drift out into space and pick up whatever ball was going.
That's not his game and it's not what has made Kerry such short-priced favourites for this and the last few All-Ireland titles. To live up to that they need Cooper sited no more than 30 metres from opposing goals, his natural predatory environment where he has excelled in the past.
In the previous matches he was slow to shoot for his own score, another sure sign that that he's enduring a crisis in personal confidence.
3 FITNESS One look at Gooch's movement suggests he's not as fit as he was this time last year. That ability to create those extra yards of space was missing from his game on Sunday.
Cooper has had more interruptions than normal this season. He was used sparingly during the league to help the healing process with a couple of nagging injuries. And there was also the untimely and sudden death of his father, Mike, that naturally took his focus off football.
Cooper is a young man in his early 20s, entitled to enjoy life away from sport too. He has played a lot of football over the last four seasons and may just be tiring of being at the pinnacle for so long. Perhaps there is also room for improvement in his current application to lifestyle and training.
4 PERSONAL The most obvious cause for the decline in form of the game's most feared forward can be attributed to the death in March of his father Mike. Colm is the youngest son and is still living at home, which brings its own emotional attachments.
Remember how Pádraig Harrington struggled with his form on the golf course last year after the death of his father Paddy?
And Tiger Woods didn't surface for any tournament between the US Masters and the US Open this year after the passing of his father and mentor Earl. These are global professional sportsmen at the top of their craft; Cooper's circumstances are entirely different.
Colm Keys
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Post by smellUlater on Jul 11, 2006 10:56:45 GMT
that is one damn good article
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Post by tommynk on Jul 11, 2006 11:38:23 GMT
I cant see Gooch being dropped, in fact its games he needs to get his confidence and sharpness back. We will allow him a few off days he has been so good for the last few years. I think that winning the brakes in midfield are where we are failing bigtime we could use sean o sullivan or dare i say it paddy kelly for this job alone. we wont win a thing this year if we keep missing easy frees, if opposition see this they will foul all day.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Jul 11, 2006 11:42:31 GMT
breaks certianly played a huge role in last sundays game. Especially in the last 15 mins Cork hoovered up everything on offer around the middle... Its that hunger and intensity that Kerry have to match on Sunday.
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Post by smellUlater on Jul 11, 2006 11:53:15 GMT
Tommynyk no need to dare say about paddy kelly, the word is he was dropped from the panel last week or so and he is now in america. i stand to be corrected but that is what i heard
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Post by kerryman on Jul 11, 2006 12:32:21 GMT
Despite not kicking scores on Sunday, Gooch was still pivotal in setting up a couple of scores. I don't think it will take much to get him back on form and the worst thing we could do is drop him. Whereas Brosnan and Tom Se amongst others have less excuses and are far more out of sorts than gooch.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Jul 11, 2006 12:35:30 GMT
The article by Colm Keys in Independent re Gooch is a load of rubbish and says nothing. It is designed to undermine Gooch and put him under pressure.
Gooch has been immaculate for many a season now, including this one. Ok he hasn't had the best of recent games but that's no reason to write a lengthy article in National paper which puports to examine his 'decline'.
Statements like 'Perhaps there is also room for improvement in his current application to lifestyle and training' are designed to undermine and discredit the Gooch are full of malice and are made without any justification.
Shame on Keys.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jul 11, 2006 12:38:08 GMT
The article by Colm Keys in Independent re Gooch is a load of rubbish and says nothing. It is designed to undermine Gooch and put him under pressure. Gooch has been immaculate for many a season now, including this one. Ok he hasn't had the best of recent games but that's no reason to write a lengthy article in National paper which puports to examine his 'decline'. Statements like 'Perhaps there is also room for improvement in his current application to lifestyle and training' are designed to undermine and discredit the Gooch are full of malice and are made without any justification. Shame on Keys. I wouldn't agree there Tadgheen. There is alot to Goochs situation at the moment, and it isn't easy on the lad. Colm may not have been wise in printing it, but none of it is miles of the mark.
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Post by smellUlater on Jul 11, 2006 13:05:08 GMT
Thought the article hit the nail on the head
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Post by smellUlater on Jul 11, 2006 13:10:24 GMT
I think next Sunday is probably one of jacks biggest tests as manager since he took over kerry. Cos of the backdoor it might not be the end of the world if we lose but i reckon if we do lose we won't win the all-ireland this year even if it practically within our grasp now with the loss of tyrone. if kerry win it will rejuvanate the team and get them back on the right road. The more i think about it i think this game aginst cork will be the makings of kerry this year, if we won it would have only papered over the cracks but this replay will force the cracks to be filled in with players knowing they not far off warming their behinds on the bench
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Post by inforthebreaks on Jul 11, 2006 13:54:06 GMT
I think Keys has every right to talk about Coopers performances (or lack of) on the field but I agree his private life should be kept away form the press. nobody's business except the man himself.
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Post by twohands on Jul 11, 2006 14:01:29 GMT
Lads, if ye don't want him there's room for him on our bench. That article was typical of the type of stuff that is becoming more prevalent now. The fact that McConville felt he had to give the interview he did to the Tribune on Sunday says a lot about where it's all headed. Let's focus on the football side of things.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 11, 2006 14:06:41 GMT
A tasteless article by an obviously bored journalist now that the the rows in the royals county have died down,i dont think some off the above comments about the player should appear in national media print.these are the same jounalists who wiil whinge the next time kerry put in place a media ban or if the gooch does'nt make himself available for an interview.
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Post by redbag on Jul 11, 2006 14:14:32 GMT
Agreed, there is a lot happening off the scene that is no one's business. Completely unjustified to pick out the Gooch, as one player not performing after 3 games (Christ, 3 games where someone plays badly and Keys writes a full article about it...) This is really pub talk glorified as an article.
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Post by smellUlater on Jul 11, 2006 14:32:48 GMT
Lads what is so wrong with the article ,he sounds more sympathetic to Gooch than anything else in the chapter about his father
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Post by redbag on Jul 11, 2006 15:03:19 GMT
The problem with the article is there is an implication made, based on a lot of gossip right now, that should not have been printed in a national newspaper.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 11, 2006 15:53:55 GMT
kerry team for the replay murphy aidan,mike,tom tomas,eamonn,marc dara,sheehan galvin,seamus,darren dec,bros,colm. assumming donaghy is out, a question,if two yellow cards do not result in an automatic ban why should donaghy be baned for a game for being sent off in a similar situation twice,doesn't make sense.
we need to get the spirt back into the kerry team,the next 2 or 3 weeks will be crucial.
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Post by scoobydo on Jul 11, 2006 15:58:10 GMT
The one thing all of us here can do is to go to Cork on Sunday and back the players for all they have done, encourage your family and friends to do the same. A bit of support goes a long way.
Has Diarmuid Murphys kickouts deteriorated since he started using the tee? I think they have. There were kickouts landing over our midfield and half forward line for a cork player to take it into his chest and bring it forward
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 11, 2006 16:06:20 GMT
agree scooby,its time for people in kerry to get behind the team and to make the treck to cork the next day,also for family and friends to get behind the players. There nothing like the sight of a full house when the team runs onto the pitch.
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Post by scoobydo on Jul 11, 2006 16:22:11 GMT
The cheer when the teams came out on Sunday was more akin to a league match, even with 26K of a crowd!
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