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Post by austinstacksabu on Jul 14, 2006 10:37:15 GMT
I can't wait for it. I'll be mouldy diseased from the weekends drinking but bring it on. Hopefully Irish Rail have the new fancy trains going from Dublin Craig Doyle is telling us about to ease my hangover.....
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jul 14, 2006 10:38:15 GMT
Pretty sure this will be the team: Murphy Tom Sullivan Mike McCarthy Marc Se Tomas Se Moynihan Mahoney Dara Brosnan Galvin Fitzmaurice Darren Sullivan Gooch Declan Sullivan Sheehan Sounds on the money. Declans hand is grand for those who are wondering.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 14, 2006 10:42:15 GMT
One thing about Kerry football. We demand so much from our team and when we don't perform we always think there must a reason (fighting ,hassle in the camp etc). Looks like the players got a good kick up the arse and this may drive them on to prove a point. What about Dara, Pony and Tomas to have stormers on Sunday just out of pride in themselves and the jersey? Anyone thinking of giving Sunday a skip should seriously consider packing the ham sangers and flask of tea and hitting the road. It could be a cracker! fully agree,kerry by 3 to 4 points,gooch man of the match with 1-05 from play,was looking forward to going to the leinster final but nothing will keep away from cork on sunday. ciarrai abu.
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Post by scoobydo on Jul 14, 2006 10:53:28 GMT
I can't wait for it. I'll be mouldy diseased from the weekends drinking but bring it on. Hopefully Irish Rail have the new fancy trains going from Dublin Craig Doyle is telling us about to ease my hangover..... fecken train is pricey enough
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Post by Tadhgeen on Jul 16, 2006 21:15:38 GMT
Well lads and lassies , a six point beating. I can't say that I am that surprised by the Cork win , given our poor form in forwards, Lynch's return, Donaghy out and Corks renaissance under Morgan etc. However expected it to be closer than 6 points and we seemed to have no answer to them .
It was obvious from listening to it on radio that we were in trouble throughout and sideline didn't help when switching Mike Mac and Marc to mark Masters. It looked like Declan and Sheehan were left on too long and there seemed some improvement when subs introduced particularly Mike Frank and Griffin.
You could say difference between the sides was that Masters took his scores and Gooch didn't - apart from 1 pt I think. However this is probably too simplistic and doesn't address the undderlying problems such as lack of options, tactics, midfield back-up and scoring forwards.
Next game away to Longford - I'm afraid I can't see us having too many other days out this year which is a pity as the AI is up for grabs.
ps I did hear that Mike Quirke was approached last week and declined the offer to return to training.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 16, 2006 22:22:13 GMT
May possibly beat Longford, though dont bank on it.
What the F**k is wrong with this team. They have been crap all championship. I am very pessimistic for the future of this team. There is something seriously wrong here.
Dropping out of the top ten at this rate.
We could be facing a period in the wilderness. A number of personnel will pack it in this year aswell.
There are a number of players on this team who are no longer good enough. Move on.
This year has been very depressing for a kerry follower. Prove me wrong and get a bit of pride back into the team.
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Post by seamus on Jul 17, 2006 8:37:12 GMT
One thing about Kerry football. What about Dara, Pony and Tomas to have stormers on Sunday just out of pride in themselves and the jersey? quote] Dara and Seamus certainly performed and i thought tomas was a lot better. Seamus was our best player yesterday and answered all his critics. What a man!
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Post by watchdahop on Jul 17, 2006 8:43:05 GMT
Reading the game simply the backs did ok. Seamus played well. What a warrior and he has a lot of pride. Midfield was well beaten. Forwards poor without the Gooch to do the scoring where do the scores come from. Thats the exact same story as last year the only difference was Gooch was scoring last year.
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Post by outsider23 on Jul 17, 2006 8:52:41 GMT
The difference between the teams yesterday was hunger.. Kerry probably have the more skilful players than Cork but a lot of those players have so many medals and so much mileage its tough to keep it going. Seamus was good yesterday, never gave in when all around threw in the white towel.. reminded me of Meath 2001 in Croker!!
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Post by twohands on Jul 17, 2006 9:09:44 GMT
Lads, obviously pleased this morning but we know how ye feel. Think how you felt yesterday afternoon x3 and ye have some sense of where Cork have come from. Now ye need to get behind your team and give them a bit of support. They've earned it from ye over the last few years and now its time for payback. We may still meet again yet this year, but for all our sakes I hope not!
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Post by seamus on Jul 17, 2006 9:30:13 GMT
Well done Twohands! A humble Cork man is a rare thing after a game like that!
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Post by Owenabue on Jul 17, 2006 10:01:17 GMT
Ah we know what it’s like to wake up after a Munster Final defeat… not nice! But hopefully ye can pick yourselves up again.
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Post by bigbelly on Jul 17, 2006 10:04:32 GMT
the whole of kerry should be ashamed of themselves for the lack of support they had at the match yesterday. even people posting here say from listening on the radio or in the paper....ridiclous amount of support, very dissapointing.
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Post by seamus on Jul 17, 2006 10:10:30 GMT
There is a definite feeling in Kerry that a team has to earn our support rather than supporting them to help deliver a performance. One or two bad performances and people start cribbing. It has always been the way down here and i can't see it changing. We don't have the novelty factor of the northern teams, laois etc.
The words rough, f*ck and animals spring to mind. I can't believe Paidi got so much abuse for that. He was bang on the money.
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Post by smellUlater on Jul 17, 2006 10:20:50 GMT
D Murphy 6/10 - Kickouts over the sideline were very bad for morale Tom Sully - 6/10 had a poor 10/15 min in the 1st half but was impressive after Mike Mccarthy - 5/10 very standoffish not his usual self Marc O Shea - 8/10 outstanding, didn't give masters a kick when he was making him at the start
a o mahony - 6/10 not a bad performance but made a couple of very poor basic errors moynihan- 8/10 his determination and drive to the breaking ball, (legs tiring though he made one drive up the field in the first half lost the ball and strolled his way back. great game thouigh) tomas o se 7/10 a big improvement from the last day. missed a couple of good scoring chances but battled quite well
dara o se 7/10 no man was more up for this game than dara, had to be at the game to see how determined he was yesterday. battled right to the end and even though cork won the midfield battle dara went through a lot of work. brosnan 6/10 no help to dara at midfield, when moved further up the field showed signs of the brosnan of old, prob shoul;d start at centre forward the next day
paul galvin 6/10 good first half, went out of the game in the 2nd half eamon fitzmaurice 4/10 - was largely anonymous, time in the 1st half when he was facing his man and back to the ball when a pass was put in through to his man and he cracked the ball against the crossbar summed his performance up. probably dropped declan o sullivan - 3/10 -worst game in a kerry jersey, looked a jaded figure. normally good for breaking ball but was more waiting for the ball to bounce into his chest than go into the ball. was even worse in corner forward. caught behind his man. has his confidence gon e in his shooting? got the ball in the left side of the goal about 13 yards out and instead of shooting 1st time he soled and passed the ball 10/15 yards out again. was a time he would have swung that over the bar no problem.
gooch 6/10 - a hard mark to give him, could easily give him a 4/5 for his wayward shooting, this time last year the 6 would be a 9. he did give canty a lot of problems and won thier tussle. should have had 6/7 points but at least he showed signs of coming back to his old self brian sheehan 3/10 - is looking more like an american footballer kicker with every game. he isn't seen until kerry win a free. makes no runs and seems to have no pace. might be a great long range point kicker but has to get the ball first. questions mark if he is up to intercounty standard apart from his frees darren o sullivan 7/10 prob came close to be taken off as he was out of it in the 1st half until he made that run that won as free at the end of the 1st half. was good at running at the cork defence in the 2nd half. if he could becamo a more potent threat nearer to gaol would be deadly
subs: tommy griffin 7/10 great impact amd battled hard won a bit of ball around midfield too mike frank 7/10 looked lively and up for it when he came on, kicked one good point. won a couplke of tough balls, missed one good scoring chance though sean o sullivan 6/10. looked lively but anytime he won a break he ran 10/15 yards backwards. should have made the keeper work with a good chance for goal mossy lyons 4/10 no more questions about mossy starting for kerry, was YARDS off the pace. guiney a more likey replacement in future games. my preference is if tommy griffin doesn't play at midfield then he can come in as first defender sub paul o connor 6/10. won a couple of balls but didn't look threatening
overall kerry defence is still good enough. mike mccarthy prob had just one those bad days at the office. midfield; lost the battle against coek but plenty of life left in dara yet. donaghy coming back will be a boost and also t griifin now in the fray forwards ; too many misfiring and looking lost. have to say the deadness of the kerry forwards in making runs to help their defenders out was pathetic.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 17, 2006 10:38:31 GMT
bad day at the office,kerrys backs were good enough and dara was on his own at midfield,one goal and 12 points wouldn't win the majority of big games. on several occassions from my position in the stand right on the half way line when kerry players had the ball on the half back line and at midfield they continuosly looked forward to the half line and fullforward line but had no where to pass it on or kick it in.There was absolutly no movement from inside forwards.The forward devision is a shambles at the moment and has been for some time. we have made no strides to improve this area of our game since january,we have failed to take the pressure of the gooch and we have failed to create a fullforward line to work with colm in creating scores,winning inside ball,providing a target man and creating a decoy inside. its as clear as day to me that bryan sheehan is not a fullforward line man and needs to be further out the field. yesterdays result has being coming like an express train for sometime now with the warning lights flashing alarmingly since last september,i cant believe the management haven't heeded them.yesterday result doen't surprise me.
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Post by Hoffster on Jul 17, 2006 10:44:23 GMT
I'm totally unsurprised by the result yesterday. It was another day of the same gameplan..full the ball to a full stop or else kick the high ball into the small full forward line. Whatever happened to the days when our half-backs/midfield would play a long low ball into the corners, the corner forwards would angle their runs from the square out to the sideline, get the ball and either fire it over the bar or pass to the half-forward cominglike a train and he would fire it over. We seem to have forgotten the art of firing scores from long distance bar dara.masters was a joy to watch.How many of his scores were from 25-30 yards??the last 2 for definite.
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Post by ruralgaa on Jul 17, 2006 10:50:58 GMT
Kerry support was very small yesterday indeed. i found it kind of embarrassing to be honest. cork were cheering all day and there wasn't even enough kerry people to make any sound...same can be said of last week in killarney when the cork support outdid us there as well
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jul 17, 2006 10:52:05 GMT
A strange day at the office yesterday for Kerry, but a result that has been coming for a long time. Having had a few hours post match on a sweaty hot train from Cork to Dublin along with some fellow Kerry souls to digest the result and the match itself, I still can't put my finger on it.
And I really don't think we can. It wasn't that we played badly, or that our forwards weren't finding the posts, or that midfield was completely cleaned out of it, in the air and on the carpet. There was something just.....missing.....balls going short, over the sideline, passes going astray, balls being dropped when the Cork player was still a yard or two away.
At this stage there is no point blaming Declan or Eoin or Colm or Frank Murphy and Anthony Lynch or Eamonn Fitz. At this stage, all we as supporters can do is stop criticising, stop gossiping, stop the rumour mill. It was a pathetic Kerry performance that was coming for a long time and that needs to be committed to the past and left at that. All we can do is show up in Longford and give them full support no matter who Jack plays. Because they are finding this as hard to understand as we are. There are no easy answers within the camp that even radical surgery will fix. And the only way to help the players through this malaise is to continue to support them, in even greater numbers than ever before.
They need a lift, we need a lift. Criticism and the like won't achieve anything now. It's time to start thinking positively.
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Post by Admin on Jul 17, 2006 11:01:46 GMT
Well said Abu. Its worth repeating...
At this stage, all we as supporters can do is stop criticising, stop gossiping, stop the rumour mill. It was a pathetic Kerry performance that was coming for a long time and that needs to be committed to the past and left at that. All we can do is show up in Longford and give them full support no matter who Jack plays. Because they are finding this as hard to understand as we are. There are no easy answers within the camp that even radical surgery will fix. And the only way to help the players through this malaise is to continue to support them, in even greater numbers than ever before.
They need a lift, we need a lift. Criticism and the like won't achieve anything now. It's time to start thinking positively.
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Post by shurimonlyabollox on Jul 17, 2006 11:30:07 GMT
all these rumours are ridiculous and surely the players are hearing them too and this is affecting them
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Post by Joxer on Jul 17, 2006 11:36:39 GMT
Ok up to a point ASA but we're the people who support the team through thick and thin and I don't think its right that we should gloss over things for the sake of not hurting feelings. Kerry are still in the championship and as the old saying goes, where theres life, theres hope!Having said that, I'm a bit disappointed this morning to see Jack bemoaning the fact that we have not got an independent ball winner in the full-forward line. This fact has been debated to a stand still here for the past 12 months and bemoaning it now is a little late considering the paucity of efforts to change it during the league. The way the half-forward line consistently disappears is gone beyond a tolerable level at this point. I mused a few weeks back on the possibility of Kerry having a cunning plan...the reality is that far from cunning it was...essentially,we had no plan. Or maybe more fairly, we had the same plan as we had last year...when it works, great but its past its sell-by date. The backs did ok as far as I was concerned and can't be held too responsible for the unravelling that took place. Diarmuid was the most culpable in the back division and may well lose out, although I don't think Cremins kick-outs are much to write home about either. Dara had a good game at midfield. From there up we have problems. On the positive side. I thought Gooch showed signs of returning to form. He, Dara O'Se and Seamus cannot continue to carry this team on its back and, trying to be optimistic here, yesterdays performance may yet be a blessing in disguise. Some of the younger guys (younger than Dara and Seamus anyway) need to stand up and be counted. Too many were marked absent yesterday. We've got to stop this tactic with the half-forward line. Aping Tyrone is fine but its not something that we're good at or something that comes naturally to us.We need a higher workrate than we used to have there I agree but the half forwards must be available 90% of the time in the vacinity of the 40 and moving to take passes from the defence. They must also be capable of scoring from distance. In the Longford thread, I'll go into the changes I'd like to see but its time for a serious shake up in the forwards. We will not beat Longford with a return from our forwards like we got yesterday.Yesterday was a very definite wake up call. Whether we heed it or indeed have the resources available to do so, remainds to be seen.This team have given good service. Jack has been an outstanding manager to date and last week I was saying how he now faced perhaps his most difficult challenge to date in yesterdays game. Believe it or not, I think he achieved success in that challenge in so far as the team showed a far better attitude than was evident the previous week.Jack can't be held responsible for players failing to perform at the level he has a right to expect at this stage. He made changes but unfortunately, while there was improvement, it wasn't enough and by the end, the team were out on their feet.What Jack has to take responsibility for is persisting with a tactic in the half forward line that is stifiling the team. Jack has two weeks now to make some dramatic overhaul. I'd rather go out of the championship with all guns blazing than meekly. The Munster championship is over and had we won it, and lost the All-Ireland, we'd still count this year as a disappointment so not much is lost at this point. We're still in it...now can Jack & Co. turn it round..........
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Post by smellUlater on Jul 17, 2006 11:37:39 GMT
the prob about rumours is that a lot of it is made up *e. There are some *s in the county stirring *e.
for some reason i think kerry will have a big say in the all ireland yet and will be still in it after cork has gone. Looking at the loss it might be just the what we needed. There will be prob be a full colon irrigation after this. From goalie to midfield we have as good as there is around. Its in the forward line where we are falling down at the moment but with a bit of tweaking(maybe major tweaking !!!) for the longford game we should be back on track for the game against armagh, where the kerry players will have their reputations on the line against one of the top northern teams. We knew if kerry were to win the all ireland they would prob have to beat armagh or tyrone so now we got them a bit sooner than expected but still would say that it would be a 50/50 game betweeen us and armagh
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Post by **kerryfan** on Jul 17, 2006 11:44:43 GMT
I agree with you smellUlater I still think we have a chance of wining this All Ireland and by god I hope we do. Do you think that declan should start the next day after his recent performances I just dont see jack dropping his clubman if it was anyone else putting in as bad as performances as declan is they'd be dropped.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 17, 2006 11:45:17 GMT
Ok up to a point ASA but we're the people who support the team through thick and thin and I don't think its right that we should gloss over things for the sake of not hurting feelings. Kerry are still in the championship and as the old saying goes, where theres life, theres hope!Having said that, I'm a bit disappointed this morning to see Jack bemoaning the fact that we have not got an independent ball winner in the full-forward line. This fact has been debated to a stand still here for the past 12 months and bemoaning it now is a little late considering the paucity of efforts to change it during the league. The way the half-forward line consistently disappears is gone beyond a tolerable level at this point. I mused a few weeks back on the possibility of Kerry having a cunning plan...the reality is that far from cunning it was...essentially,we had no plan. Or maybe more fairly, we had the same plan as we had last year...when it works, great but its past its sell-by date. The backs did ok as far as I was concerned and can't be held too responsible for the unravelling that took place. Diarmuid was the most culpable in the back division and may well lose out, although I don't think Cremins kick-outs are much to write home about either. Dara had a good game at midfield. From there up we have problems. On the positive side. I thought Gooch showed signs of returning to form. He, Dara O'Se and Seamus cannot continue to carry this team on its back and, trying to be optimistic here, yesterdays performance may yet be a blessing in disguise. Some of the younger guys (younger than Dara and Seamus anyway) need to stand up and be counted. Too many were marked absent yesterday. We've got to stop this tactic with the half-forward line. Aping Tyrone is fine but its not something that we're good at or something that comes naturally to us.We need a higher workrate than we used to have there I agree but the half forwards must be available 90% of the time in the vacinity of the 40 and moving to take passes from the defence. They must also be capable of scoring from distance. In the Longford thread, I'll go into the changes I'd like to see but its time for a serious shake up in the forwards. We will not beat Longford with a return from our forwards like we got yesterday.Yesterday was a very definite wake up call. Whether we heed it or indeed have the resources available to do so, remainds to be seen.This team have given good service. Jack has been an outstanding manager to date and last week I was saying how he now faced perhaps his most difficult challenge to date in yesterdays game. Believe it or not, I think he achieved success in that challenge in so far as the team showed a far better attitude than was evident the previous week.Jack can't be held responsible for players failing to perform at the level he has a right to expect at this stage. He made changes but unfortunately, while there was improvement, it wasn't enough and by the end, the team were out on their feet.What Jack has to take responsibility for is persisting with a tactic in the half forward line that is stifiling the team. Jack has two weeks now to make some dramatic overhaul. I'd rather go out of the championship with all guns blazing than meekly. The Munster championship is over and had we won it, and lost the All-Ireland, we'd still count this year as a disappointment so not much is lost at this point. We're still in it...now can Jack & Co. turn it round.......... good post joxer,very accurate,maybe the last two games will be a blessing in disguise,if we had got the frees in the drawn game and won we would have fallen into quarter final unprepared with papered up cracks.
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Post by Owenabue on Jul 17, 2006 11:55:10 GMT
Sorry lads, but the All Ireland… They couldn’t even beat Cork and by all of your own admission they are only an average team. Yes ye should support Kerry for all they have done for ye over the years. But you also have to sit back and look at your years performances this year to date. Does this Kerry team look like real contenders for an All Ireland title?
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Post by Joxer on Jul 17, 2006 12:18:08 GMT
No Owenabue, they don't but are you suggesting we should throw in the towel?...we're still in the championship, it may well be for only two more weeks or hopefully, it'll go on longer than that. Kerry have two weeks to turn it round. We have the guts of a good team...more than that to be honest...whether, we can see that, this summer or not who knows but hopefully, it won't be for the want of trying. Well done on ye're performance yesterday. With the Kerry monkey off ye're back, ye could yet go all the way. Billy must be stopped from tinkering though. Its a good Cork football team now which if left together will grow stronger much to our disappointment but next year, who knows. We'll hardly meet again this year but you never know....
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jul 17, 2006 13:01:27 GMT
A good post Joxer, as always. But even the half forward display doesn't explain what happened over the last two Sundays in my mind.....I don't know, but it was throughout the team.
I'm not looking for us to gloss over things, but actually confine it to the past. I don't think searching through the debris will get any results. Jack and his team need to work on why lads, who we know have oodles of ability, were dropping heads, balls and everything else over the past three months.
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Post by seamus on Jul 17, 2006 13:23:52 GMT
Sean Boylan took Meath off to Scotland for a good PL$$ after the 3rd game in the Dublin Meath saga in 1991. A bit of team bonding is needed me thinks to pull it together. Lock in back in Paidis tomorrow night?!!
Seriously though, the lads seem to be playing with the weight of the world on their shoulders. Its time to go back to basics. Get the Gooch and MFR into the corners doing their criss cross runs in training for the next 2 weeks. Get good ball into them and get Brosnan on the 40 bombing in to support. It will be enough to beat Longford and get us moving again before we have to develop a game plan to beat Armagh.
Surprised nobody has mentioned how bad Mike Mc was yesterday. Masters kicked at least 1-3 of his total when he was marking him.
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Post by Joxer on Jul 17, 2006 13:28:26 GMT
You're right Seamus but why was Marc switched off Masters? Mike Mc will be ok, hes delivered too many good days for that to be anything other than an off day.
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