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Post by seamus on Jul 10, 2006 8:42:40 GMT
Lets use the other thread to dissect the last game and this one to look ahead. It looks like those of us who have been tough in our criticism of Declan O'Sullivan may actually get our way. Reports from the camp say he has picked up a nasty hand injury and is very doubtful for Sunday.
Colm O'Rourke apparantly raised on issue about Donaghy during coverage. He said that he was already sent off in the league for 2 yellows and will probably now miss the game for being sent off twice within a certain period. Can someone clarify this?
I don't expect big changes although it would not surprise me if Jack threw in one of the lower panel members for the game. He loves a curve ball now and then (Paddy Kelly vs Dublin, Sheehan vs Cork, Darren in the final). I think that Mossy lyons will miss out. Many of us on this forum felt that Jack was waiting for a chance to shaft him but Mossy kept playing well and was unlucky the last day.
Up front i feel that Gooch was showing well but the ball coming in was too slow due to our midfield and especially DOS and Paul Galvin taking too much out of the ball instead of letting in go.
I personally would put in MFR for Paul O'Connor but i expect them to start Darren. I have concluded that we will not win the AI without MFR on song. The gooch is lost without MFR's brain beside him as their runs used to be totally dependent on where the other gut was running too. Both Paul O'Connor and Darren just stand in their own corner and this limits the Gooch's movement.
If Declan does'nt make it the obvious thing is to put Fitzmaurice in at 11. I think this would play right into the hands of Ger Spillane as he would be too mobile for Fitzy. Brosnan would make him think about staying at home and minding the house.
I would go for:
Murphy
Marc Mike Mac Tom Sull Tomas Seamus Mahoney
Dara Donaghy
Darren Sullivan Brosnan Galvin
MFR Sheehan Gooch
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Post by Joxer on Jul 10, 2006 9:07:52 GMT
Yeah, I'd agree with most of that (although I never thought Jack was waiting for an opportunity to shaft Mossy, not by a long way). I think Colm O'Rourke is right but like you, I'd need someone to confirm it. I guess if hes off, Tommy Griffin is the likely replacement but on the basis that Jack likes to curve ball, I think he'll go for Bryan Sheehan at midfield. That would leave a gap at full-forward and the most likely (but certainly not my preferred) option there is Ronan O'Connor. The team I suspect we'll see is the following:
D.Murphy
T O'Sullivan M McCarthy M O'Se T O'Se S.Moynihan A.O'Mahoney
D O'Se B.Sheehan
P.Galvin E.Brosnan Declan O'Sullivan Darren O'Sullivan R O'Connor Gooch
On the other hand, my preferred team would be
D.Murphy
T O'Sullivan M McCarthy A O'Mahony T O'Se S.Moynihan M O'Se
D O'Se B Sheehan
Sean O'Sullivan Paul Galvin Darren O'Sullivan MFR E.Brosnan Gooch
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Post by KY50 on Jul 10, 2006 9:08:11 GMT
I said last week that Cork would run us very close. Next week we need to make the following changes - Leave the Backs as were for now, introduce Tommy griffin to midfield as Donaghy is suspended, Put Bryan Sheehan at 12, Brosnan at 11, Galvin at 10, Gooch 13, McGearilt at 14 and Darren O Sullivan at 15. It looks like Declan O S is out. I think having a target man like Aodan at 14 could make all the difference here. We also need to up our display, I know we have the fitness and intensity to get past this one.
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Post by seamus on Jul 10, 2006 9:16:10 GMT
Personally i would love to see Aodhan but on the basis that he is number 30 and has hardly featured all year then Jack doesn't share our opinion.
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Post by bigbelly on Jul 10, 2006 9:30:03 GMT
Donahy definately out, if sent off twice (two yellows), an automatic two week suspension applies. he will be a loss to us, he was mush more involved than dara yesterday. we need to start winning breaking ball around the middle, like hasset used to do, just somebody to win the ball and lay it off quickly.
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Post by seamus on Jul 10, 2006 10:24:37 GMT
The messiah that is Murt Murphy just confirmed that Donaghy is out. He also wants to see the following changes to the team: Mossy Lyons back in Mike Mc to 6
Sheehan to midfield
Seamus to 10 Fitz to 11
Ronan O'Connor to 14
and wait for it.............................................................
Tommy Walsh to come in top of the right!
I think FatTom is right to change his campaign of terror from Weeshie onto Murt!!
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Post by watchdahop on Jul 10, 2006 10:36:51 GMT
Murphy Killian Young Mick Mac Tom Tomas Aidan Marc Daragh Tommy Griffin Darren Seamus Galvin Gooch Sheehan MFR
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Post by KY50 on Jul 10, 2006 11:06:17 GMT
Is the replay next Saturday or Sunday and what time ?
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Post by watchdahop on Jul 10, 2006 11:07:30 GMT
Sunday next 3.30....
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 10, 2006 11:20:45 GMT
I think aidan o mahony should be moved into the center. He played very well there during the league. Even though I think mossy should br kept in at the expense of seamus its not going to happen. Brosnan should go to midfield as he will provide a more effective link to the forwards. Using his pace to bring the ball upfield may counteract the defence used by cork. Think jack made a mistake in picking paul o connor lets just hope it doesnt shake his confidence. Gooch was the same in 2002 against cork in killarney though and look how he turned out. The team for the next day should be:
Murohy
O Sullivan McCarthy Marc O Se
Seamus O Mahony Tom Se
Dara Brosnan
Paul Galvin Fitzmaurice Darren O Sullivan
MFR Sheehan Gooch
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Post by MrT on Jul 10, 2006 13:23:13 GMT
If Kirby is still on the panel I would like to have him utilised at FF, if not Aodhan but this is not gonna happen.My team would resemble
Murphy
Mike Mac/Moynihan Moynihan?Mike Mac Tom Sull
Tom Se Mayhony Marc Se
Dara Se Brosnan
Sheehan Paul Galvin Darren/Sean Sullivan
Cooper Kirby Darren/Sean Sullivan
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Post by surfdude62 on Jul 10, 2006 13:34:00 GMT
Ye are talking about Jack springing a few surprises and i would totally agree that Tommy Walsh should be put inside full forward!He's a big target man who can easily field a high ball!We badly need a big target man inside!Brosnan contributed nothing at all to the game!All this talk about Gooch off form is a joke!How can the man be off form when no-one will pass the ball to him?He won every ball that was played into him yesterday!I would give Paul O'Conor another chance also to show his true worth!
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Post by Joxer on Jul 10, 2006 13:43:46 GMT
A bit off topic but Donaghy being automatically suspended following yesterdays ridiculous sending off is particularly a joke when you consider it in the light of what Mattie Forde got away with last sunday and was able to play again this weekend. Farsical disciplinary systems which need to be sorted out .....if theres a will to do it.
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Post by seamus on Jul 10, 2006 13:52:08 GMT
Tommy Walsh? Canty would eat him up and spit him out in 20 minutes.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 10, 2006 14:00:08 GMT
Cant wouldnt be marking him. Canty was marking gooch most of yesterday
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Post by realist on Jul 10, 2006 14:08:05 GMT
Brosnan got no kick yesterday but played 70 minutes??? Ger Spillane(a Cork Junior last year!!) ate Declan O Sullivan Moynihan struggled with Murphys size. Even when they put Mike Mac(the free man) out to help they struggled. Mossie lyons was shafted. It was up front the problems were staring from and the carted off a half back??? Made no sense at the time and still doesn't. The team looked leaderless? When the going got tough yesterday you would have expected the older stalwarts to step up and they didn't. It was left to the like of Galvin(a veteran on 1 all ireland medal) and Darren O Sullivan to take the bull by the horns and fair play to them. A lot of guys seemed to hide away. But pleasse give a lot of credit to Cork and Billy Morgans Tactics. They were excellent in my opinion.
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Post by Jo90 on Jul 10, 2006 14:11:58 GMT
If Ricey can appeal and get off kneeing an Armagh player in the throat, surely Donaghy can appeal his yellow card and be available for the replay? Aren't the CDC meeting Wednesday so the Kerry board should put their appeal in for then?
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Post by kerryman on Jul 10, 2006 14:21:57 GMT
Did Brosnan not hit the crossbar in the first half? He also shouldered one of the Cork fellahs out over the line. Apart from that he was too quiet. I don't think we'll see Moynihan moved to centre forward (although I do think it is what should happen - the other defenders are well able to mind the house).
Murphy
Marc Mike Mac Tom Sull
Tom Sé Seamus Mahoney
Daragh Tommy Griffin
Sean Sullivan Galvin Darren O Sullivan
Gooch Sheehan MFR
I don't think this will happen. Brosnan will hold his place and MFR will remain benched. We could well see Eamon Fitz back in the forwards with Sean Sullivan or Tommy G remaining on the bench. However, I think Tommy G, and Sean Sullivans drive and enthusiasm is what we are missing at the moment. Fingers crossed that Jack will see the light.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Jul 10, 2006 14:37:56 GMT
does anyone know for sure if Declan Sullivans injury has ruled him out for the replay?
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jul 10, 2006 15:32:27 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Declan play all 70 + minutes yesterday? When did this hand injury occur?
Also, Tommy Walsh in the corner? No disrespect Murt, but he was play pygmies yesterday at midfield / half forward when facing Tipperary. Put him in against a few hardened senior Cork players and we'll be calling in Garry Dillon waste removal by the twenty minute mark.
As I said on the other post, it's now over a day since the ball was thrown in and I still can't see how Jack can field a team that he'll be happy with.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 10, 2006 15:53:53 GMT
There is no way Jack O Connor would play Tommy Walsh next week...It just will not happen...He is one for the future. Good to see the Breeding Programme coming to fruition yesterday with Walsh, Moran and Kennedy Offspring playing. Has Maurice Fitz got any kids, even if they are girls they must be worth their place by the time they are 12
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Post by Boris on Jul 10, 2006 17:04:05 GMT
Jack chichened out yesterday.He took off the easiet man to take off Mossy Lyons.How Seamus played centre back for the whole game is beyond me.He struggled from the start.He is the weakest link in our defense by a mile.Seamus has given some brilliant displays for kerry but he is shadow of his former self.Its fine to look at his situation with rose tinted glasses but the reality is its 2006 and kerry wont win the all ireland with moyno at number 6. Its a disgrace how Tommy Griffen is still getting screwed.Bringing a player of his quality on for a minute at the end is a joke.Griffen was exactly what we needed around the middle of the field yesterday. My biggest worry for kerry is that our forward line wouldnt punch their way out of a wet paper bag.If gooch isnt playing well not one other forward has it in him to take a bit of responsibility.Brosnan especially is a huge disappointment,you would think a man with as much experience as brosnan would add a bit of leadership. Armagh are the team to watch.Their big guns are coming back into form at the right time
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Post by pony on Jul 10, 2006 17:40:48 GMT
Hi lads must say i have to agree with a lot of whats being said here. think ppl are being a bit harsh on B. Sheehan. He kicked the 2best scores of the day and besides the odd miss his frees kept us in it. He is still relatively inexperienced. The performance was very disappointing overall though. How at this stage of their carrers in intercounty the likes of Mike Mac Dara O se Eoin Bros even Seamus can't stand up and show leadership is beyond me. And we are still somehow lacking leadership some of these lads are in there 12th and more season of c'ship football for f**k sake. And still once we get passed midfield we look like an U12 side bunching running into eachother and opposition. It seems to me that Kerry managment has concentrated so so much on defensive football that we are forgetting how to attack at all. The ball into the forwards was poor but even worse esp in the first half the movement of the full forward line was very very bad not showing for the ball at all. I don't like to be critical of Jack coz of what he has achieved in such a short space. But what made him popular was his decisive and slightly ruthless streak in making subs (e.g Griffin for Crowley Lim Replay 2004). Yday Lyons was an easy first sub and harsh also. With Griffin coming on too late. This is why we wanted Paudie out after all!! Onto the next day i would hope we wont be as bad both on the field and sideline. Griffin has to start esp if Kieran's suspention is upheld(if you ask me he would not have been sent off he went back to the ref when he first asked). I like a lot of ppl want MFR back and quick. Think Gooch needs him now that Daragh O C is gone too. I would start Bros midfield and Griffin Center forward to win some breaks which we couln't do yday. Also Sean Sull is def worth a shot on the wing. Some pace and urgancey would make for a breath of fresh air in Kerry's football.
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Post by icon on Jul 10, 2006 19:05:10 GMT
drop seamus or mossy griffen in midfield galvin gooch darren ronan declan sheehan
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Post by neil on Jul 10, 2006 20:12:16 GMT
Brosnan is what I'd call a "moody" player, simply inconsistent at this level i.e he must be dropped (and not just for a "wake up" call this time)
Moynihan, too slow and should retire.
With those 2 out of the picture we MIGHT win the replay, if they stay then no hope
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Post by mickthebridges on Jul 10, 2006 20:48:42 GMT
Cant believe twas only a few days ago we were hoping for a tough game to get us ready for the bigger fish. Now that we got our wish, we have the rope out for the hanging party. Páidí was right,
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Post by Jo90 on Jul 10, 2006 23:20:38 GMT
On what performance in recent years are people basing their call for MFR to start?
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Post by seamus on Jul 11, 2006 9:03:11 GMT
I am in favour of starting MFR because i feel we simply have no alternatives. Fella's like Ronan O'Connor, Sean Sullivan, Paddy Kelly have been given as many chances as MFR in recent times and have not performed. Kieran O'leary, Aodhan Mcgearailt, Ronan Hussey etc are perceived by jack as being further down the pecking order judging by the sub listing which is normally an accurate guide in kerry.
I think we are at the stage where we cannot win the AI without another class inside forward and I only see one in the panel. MFR.
Work with him, give him game time to get the confidence back because i think if he doesn't spark then we are in right trouble.
Do people think we could win an AI with for example Gooch, Sheehan and O'Connor as our inside line. I don't.
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Post by smellUlater on Jul 11, 2006 9:10:29 GMT
Good point by Jo90, realisticly Mike Frank has done nothing of note to justifty a start himself. Its more how ineffective the other newcomers have been. Ronan is suppose to be playing out of his skin in training but so was paul Connor leading up to last sunday. But I would give Mike Frank a chance to try and redeem his reputation next Sunday. He must be hurting at being over looked(not Jacks fault) so if there is any bottle left in him surely he has a good performance still left in him for Cork. Would also bring in Sean Sullivan for Brosnan and Declan would have no cause to complain if he made way too(yep i usually saying he shouldn't be dropped) but maybe dropping him will cop him on to leave off the ball quicker and stay further up the pitch. Also i have seen no praise for jack for bringing on Tom Sullivan. He made a prompt decision to take off Mossy Lyons who was half in dreamland. He wasn't supporting players and just walking around a couple of times. Tom Sullvivan played well throughout after. Do ye not remember John Crowley been taken off after 20 mins aginst Limerick a few years ago to rejuvante the kerry attack. My main problem was that there was no further sub brought on until injury time apart from Darren o sullivan at half time. How the half forwards played the whole game is beyond me
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Post by smellUlater on Jul 11, 2006 9:11:19 GMT
Also finally Paddy kelly seems to be gone from the panel.
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