kerryscoob
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Post by kerryscoob on Sept 7, 2009 12:07:14 GMT
Jesus Mozzy!!!
Tis like something I would imagine William Wallace would have said to his troops before going out and doing battle with the auld enemy at the Battle of Stirling Bridge.
Summoning courage from the depths of history to stand up and fight for what you believe to be truly yours, let us not forget Paul Galvins speech the night before the 2007 final, it's again required and maybe more to keep the auld enemy down.
Ciarraí abú.
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Post by Johnnyb on Sept 7, 2009 13:04:24 GMT
Is it a bit early for a predictions thread?
I was certain we'd win the AI last year - tactics on the day let us all down.
JoC wont make similar mistakes - training is going closed door this week - this is tactics week so I suppose with next week for the press.
Im calling it for Kerry - unfinished business, setting records straight, climbing those steps.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Sept 7, 2009 17:39:13 GMT
Mozzy, Fantastic write up, written from the heart, that should be read to all the players at training next week. It has set the butterflies going early!Ardfhear, an ríocht abú!
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 7, 2009 20:56:21 GMT
Four hours have passed since the last post.
There is an eerie silence about this game...... or am i mistaken?
Is it the Commission on Taxation report or NAMA or what the hell is up?
Are people fearful that Kerrys game against Dublin was a false dawn and Cork will take us this time.
Or am i misreading things?
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Post by Tadhgeen on Sept 7, 2009 21:15:22 GMT
Cork are definitely in the driving seat but the pressure is on them.
Man to man though is fairly close with key battles all over the place.
I have a feeling that 2 Tralee men in Tommy Walsh and Michael Quike could yet play a big part in this game.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 7, 2009 21:21:09 GMT
The haunting eerie silence often preludes the ravages of a distructive storm, with the only sound audible to the backdrop of the deafening silence being the heavy breathing of the petifried scurrying hurriedly for cover in the undergrowth as they seek reprieve from a perceived oncoming hell.
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Post by fritz on Sept 7, 2009 21:26:41 GMT
Four hours have passed since the last post. There is an eerie silence about this game...... or am i mistaken? Is it the Commission on Taxation report or NAMA or what the hell is up? Are people fearful that Kerrys game against Dublin was a false dawn and Cork will take us this time. Or am i misreading things? I am very confident we will see a Kerry far closer to the Dublin game than the Meath one. The sense against Meath was that once Kerry realised what was enough, they didn't stray too far beyond that. I have respect for Cork as a driven battle hardened team with a good general in Counihan but the more I think about this the more hopeful I get. All the same, we need a big day around midfield. That would be my main concern.
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Post by mandad on Sept 8, 2009 8:04:42 GMT
I have'nt heard any 'health report' on the Colm Cooper. His injury before the Meath game required a pain killer on the day and that in itself could further delay recovery. If it's the same type of injury as Anthony Lynch had then it's a damb slow recovery. He would be some loss - frees and all that - and would open up a much bigger debate.
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Post by Control on Sept 8, 2009 8:23:51 GMT
Is it true that he played in Croke Park on All Ireland Final day 1995?
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 8, 2009 8:28:35 GMT
It is very quiet Mick, was asking myself the same question last night.
But then I realised it's the calm before the storm...........it always happens.
However, I also feel it's because there is a quiet, gentle confidence bubbling in Kerry but we don't want to shout about it.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 8, 2009 8:35:11 GMT
There isnt much happening on this thread cos:
a - Its our 6th final in a row; not exactly new territory b - We've already played Cork twice this season c - The game is still 12 days away d - Theres only so much you can say about it without repeating yourself (I should re-phrase that - theres only so much most of us can say about it...)
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Post by chrism on Sept 8, 2009 8:40:03 GMT
I thought Colms was a hip injury. Anthony's Lynch was a groin strain. Although I did hear at one stage that Anthony Lynch's season was over. He paid tribute to the backroom staff of the Cork team for getting him back. Think he was out for 2 months. Lets hope Colm's injury is not so bad. However do not agree with playing with a injection.
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Post by smokeyjoe on Sept 8, 2009 8:55:30 GMT
Buck 02 has it spot on. It may be a final but we have gone over the whole Kerry/Cork thing so many times recently that i think people feel like they are repeating themselves a little and dont bother to post as much this time around
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Post by patinkerry on Sept 8, 2009 9:41:03 GMT
I have good confidence in the team. Having seen them sail easily through the league and struggle through the championship to then blow me away with their brilliance in the Dublin match has given me more than enough confidence in their ability and the highly sought off “hunger”.
We have options, at this stage we have a variety of play and tactics depending on the need -JOC will have more than one way to play the game and that will be important against Cork. There is no doubt that Cork will be analysing our game looking for weak spots. However, we have not given away too much-the main game Counihan has to analyse is the Kerry v Dublin game (though he may learn something for the 1st half against Longford when Kieran was playing). The Kerry team that played Dublin are real- I don’t expect Cork to fold like Dublin but that match demonstrated our skill-our teammanship and flow –proving to the doubters that this Kerry team still has it and can rise to the occasion (no bigger or better than the AI final and against our neighbours). The Learning Process-who has learnt the most from the championship so far. Kerry did not know their starting 15 in June. We were also plagued with injuries of key players plus the qualifiers consistently challenged us (ok they were Div 4 but Longford, Sligo and Antrim all played it like it was their AI) and allowed us to try different methods and players. We now look like we have a starting 15 (Walsh and Star?) and have a REAL active depth of panel to call up. Cork have learnt also through the championship and have identified their starting 15 long before us. Their main challenge was Limerick, they played without Miskella but it was Mickey Ned’s analysis of Cork’s tactics that reduced their running game. Kerry in June were unsettled and apathetic and yet were able to draw (with Bryan Sheehan saving the day) whilst as JOC say we were significantly beating in the replay. Still -neither Kerry or Cork are expecting a similar game on September 20th. Tyrone did not resemble the Tyrone of the 2009 QF, SF or AI final. Having watched the game in Croke Park, I couldn’t help notice that they looked fairly ordinary and that they didn’t have the same energy or hunger as before. No doubt Cork were the better team on the day and tackled and fought for every ball; they were excellent in this and certainly threw Hartes tactical plans off course. Tyrone however, lost Cavanagh just before the game and there has been comments that a few of the players were coming down with the flu (no excuse but like Aidan O Mahony in last years AI, it does affect play).
Going back to the tackling and fighting for every ball-we did this at the Dublin match, it was Codys advice to Tyrone last year-Cork have shown they can do it even with 14 men-it’s the core of what we have to do.
In relation to individual Kerry players-where do you start-for the difficult journey we had getting here so many players put in that extra to get here-Galvin in the Sligo and Antrim match, Kieran in the Longford match, Tommy in the Meath match, Mike Mc in so many of the matches, Darren and the Gooch (and everyone really in the Dublin match) and that’s before I mention the constant improvement of Tadgh, Seamas and Tommy Griffin. Then we have our baseline-who when they play well-blow us all away-Gooch, Tom O Sullivan, Declan O Sullivan, the O Se’s and of course Diarmuid who has saved our skin more than once with his saves, varied kickouts and overall spirit when times were low. He is a special bonus for the team. I would not underestimate his importance. Look at PJ Ryan yesterday who saved the game for Kilkenny with his saves. Put that with Donnacha, Bryan, Quirke-the list could go on-put it altogether in an AI final fight for SAM against Cork and I think we have the ability, the hunger and the team unity.
The last two -the Odds-Cork are favourites-this can swing both ways but the signs are that it suits Kerry to be underdogs. Finally, my gut feeling tells me that this third Sunday in September, I will not be going home gutted from Croke Park. We live in hope! Ciarrai abu
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Post by A.N. Other on Sept 8, 2009 12:27:56 GMT
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising every time we fall."
Think this basically sums up this Kerry team, criticised and knocked of confidence in nearly every way but still never cease to deliver. Beaten by Cork in those munster finals and semi finals, Tyrone in those Finals it hurts and it hurts so much that they react and rise to the top as they as destined to do.
Mozzy left out one player who iv thought has played a major part in the last few years... Tommy Griffin. The work horse he is is easily criticised but is always short of being praised by the pundits.
About 4 or 5 years ago before he nailed down his place in the Kerry team his father sat in the bed next to my fathers in the Bon Secours in Tralee, Tommy strolled in one day and the topic of conversation quickly changed to football. Tommy said how he didn't care how he did it or where he was going to be playing or how many games they win or lose all he wanted to do was get his name in the first fifteen and that was enough.
Now as the Cork game, the Meath game will stand to Kerry as much as the Dublin game will.Its important to have options and for the oppostion to not know when these options will be used. We can play the running game, one tower up top or possibly the twin towers could stand together once again. Cork are a big strong team, so how to you counter-act a big strong team, keep them guessing. The variety in our play will have to improve which im sure it will.
I said to a few friends before the Dublin game that if we get an early goal and the Gooch gets out in front of his man we'll win by 6 or 7 or maybe 17.And with the meath game,i think we all knew the performance was going to be like that a few points and we'll regroup and build again. My prediction for Cork will be that this will be the best game of football for a number of years as the hurling was.
And to everyone who is unlucky enough not to get a ticket be happy that your not working and won't catch a second of it.
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Post by Corner Back on Sept 8, 2009 16:24:21 GMT
Begining this evening , all training sessions for this week will be behind-closed-doors I understand. Kerry trained behing "closed doors" on Sunday evening.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 8, 2009 16:36:33 GMT
Who will win the All-Ireland Football Final? Cork 52% (2,716 votes) Kerry 48% (2,485 votes) Total Votes: 5,201
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Post by ciarrai78 on Sept 8, 2009 16:46:26 GMT
I agree with Kerryman 125 re Tommy Griffin. A wholehearted player who has given his all in a variety of positions over the years, and who was unfairly treated last year. He won't lack motivation.......
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Post by Kerryman 2 on Sept 8, 2009 17:08:09 GMT
my team for final. 1.D murphy 2.M. O'Se 3.T Griffen 4.T O'Sullivan 5.T O'Se 6. Mike Mac 7. Killian Young 8.D O'Se 9. S Scalon 10.P Galvin 11. T Kenlleny 12. D Walsh 13 Gooch 14.Dec Sullivan 15. T Walsh
and if it go all wrong bring on star and sean sullivan.. star at the edge of the square and sean puuting good ball into him
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Post by icon on Sept 8, 2009 18:16:16 GMT
my thoughts exactly kerryman and darren to come in as well
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 8, 2009 18:20:41 GMT
and the capi-tan is............
If Kerry are going to stick with the current method of selecting the captain they should do what Kilkenny do and let a player retain the captaincy even if not selected in the first 15 for the final.
Michael Fennelly came on as a sub last Sunday and went up and collected the cup.
Would the people in favout of the current system on this forum be happy with that slight change?
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Post by peanuts on Sept 8, 2009 18:38:04 GMT
I think Darren will start with the last position between Tommy W, Donncha & possibly Star if he's fit to start.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2009 19:22:35 GMT
I agree peanuts. Darren will start and will captain the team. Darren's pace could be key and will present a problem for Cork that Donncha for all his attributes won't.
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Post by fritz on Sept 8, 2009 21:03:28 GMT
All going well, Jack et al will have eight serious options for six forward places. A headache but the type of headaches all managers dream for.
Donnacha Walsh, while generally on an ever improving trend as an inter county footballer, intuitively seems to be to me - on the face of things - the weakest of the eight right now. Even assuming that Kieran is not ready to start, I still struggle to put Donnacha in ahead of Tadhg/Darran/Tommy (fair to assume Paul, Gooch and Declan are certainties).
But.....but....
The axiom "sum of the parts" keeps popping into my head - that is to say, do Kerry as a unit function better with Donnacha on board? Does Donnacha give the forward line a balance the others - for all their attributes - do not? Is Donnacha's honesty and work ethic what is needed for the earlier stages of the game whereas a game opening up is more suitable to the others?
Hard to call in my view.....
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 8, 2009 21:19:03 GMT
and the capi-tan is............ If Kerry are going to stick with the current method of selecting the captain they should do what Kilkenny do and let a player retain the captaincy even if not selected in the first 15 for the final. Michael Fennelly came on as a sub last Sunday and went up and collected the cup. Would the people in favout of the current system on this forum be happy with that slight change? Makes perfect sence to me,people get too caught up in having the nominated captain on the field.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 8, 2009 21:58:34 GMT
and the capi-tan is............ If Kerry are going to stick with the current method of selecting the captain they should do what Kilkenny do and let a player retain the captaincy even if not selected in the first 15 for the final. Michael Fennelly came on as a sub last Sunday and went up and collected the cup. Would the people in favout of the current system on this forum be happy with that slight change? Makes perfect sence to me,people get too caught up in having the nominated captain on the field. I would be happy with that arrangement too. It wouldnt matter if he started or not then......
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 8, 2009 22:06:14 GMT
All going well, Jack et al will have eight serious options for six forward places. A headache but the type of headaches all managers dream for. Donnacha Walsh, while generally on an ever improving trend as an inter county footballer, intuitively seems to be to me - on the face of things - the weakest of the eight right now. Even assuming that Kieran is not ready to start, I still struggle to put Donnacha in ahead of Tadhg/Darran/Tommy (fair to assume Paul, Gooch and Declan are certainties). But.....but.... The axiom "sum of the parts" keeps popping into my head - that is to say, do Kerry as a unit function better with Donnacha on board? Does Donnacha give the forward line a balance the others - for all their attributes - do not? Is Donnacha's honesty and work ethic what is needed for the earlier stages of the game whereas a game opening up is more suitable to the others? Hard to call in my view..... I would answer your question fritz as follows..... who will more ball in the middle third...... Donnacha or Tadhg . Tadhg had a fine game in the replay in my opinion down in Cork...... one of the few. As against that, Donnacha has a great football brain and has improved hugely in the past year. I think that Cork will play one of the half forwards in defense and use him to give short kickouts to. How will Kerry cope with that. One of the interesting things about the hurling final was that KK were happy to allow Tipp to take short puck outs as long as they had plenty of men in defense under the clearance from tHE player that received the short puckout.
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Post by Kerryman 2 on Sept 8, 2009 22:10:19 GMT
my team for final. 1.D murphy 2.M. O'Se 3.T Griffen 4.T O'Sullivan 5.T O'Se 6. Mike Mac 7. Killian Young 8.D O'Se 9. S Scalon 10.P Galvin 11. T Kenlleny 12. D Walsh 13 Gooch 14.Dec Sullivan 15. T Walsh
and if it go all wrong bring on star and sean sullivan.. star at the edge of the square and sean puuting good ball into him
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Post by mafi97 on Sept 8, 2009 23:12:23 GMT
My biggest single worry is about the state of the pitch. There appears to be a conspiracy of silence on this issue.
Last Sunday, Galway minors won by four points - but they were 9-10 points a better team. All through the game, both teams slipped and slided all over the place. Kilkenny's goal (although well taken) owed it's execution to two Galway players completely losing their footing. A few minutes later, the same thing happened, but Kilkenny failed to use the overlap they were gifted.
In the Senior game, Eoin Kelly slipped as he went to pull on what would have been a certain goal - this was as certain as Death and Taxes.
For Kilkenny's second goal, Conor O'Mahoney was left sitting on his a**e forty yards out when he turned to cover Comerford, who was luxuriantly free when he received the scoring pass.
There were numerous other examples - but these were ones where the consequences were immediate, direct and expensive. In fact, they were game-changing.
Now we have been subjected to consummate corporate spin by Peter McKenna on this issue ever since the U2 Concert. He made great play over the fact that prior to the Concert, they had tested the concept by digging up and relaying 20% of the pitch. Indeed they had - but he completely neglected to point out that the players had slipped and slided on that 20% of the pitch - just as they do now on 100% of the pitch.
If we have a repeat of the Kerry/Meath Ice Rink fiasco - no doubt, McKenna will blame the Kilkenny supporters flocking on to the pitch on Sunday. Now - in that situation, the Ice Rink conditions should be confined to the area between the two 45's - with a bit of treacherous ground down near the Hill 16/Cussack corner, where most of the fans entered the pitch.
Maybe JOC should draw up an Ice Rink map of the pitch based on where the Kilkenny fans deployed themselves.
I am serious about this. JOC can do everything exactly right over this crucial two weeks, get his preparation right, get the team optimally honed, get his tactics spot on - yet all can be undone, when somebody is left on his a**e, like Conor O'Mahoney last Sunday.
Of course, the same applies to Cork - but I have enough to worry about, without worrying about them as well.
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Post by peanuts on Sept 9, 2009 8:10:00 GMT
I must say I didn't think the pitch was bad at all on Sunday, certainly nothing like the Kerry-Meath game and I didn't hear any player, official or pundit mention it. I must have a look at the video.
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