fivenarow
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Post by fivenarow on Sept 18, 2009 10:19:24 GMT
Donnacha can feel unlucky but if Jack is going for scoring power then Tommy was an obvious choice. With Donnacha you know he wont sulk and will give it everything when he comes on. Cork are such hot favourites with the pundits, I havnt seen Kerry come in as such underdogs ever. In the Kerryman All Ireland pull out, they interviewed 12 former players/current managers etc from around the county and asked them 4 questions - the last question being who will win? 9 went for Cork, 2 for Kerry and Kiely the ex-Waterford manager said he couldnt call it. Yesterday on Newstalk Brady & Hayes went for Cork while McGee went for Kerry. It was also 2-1 Cork in last weeks Sunday Game. I hear by the ad for the Sunday Indo Paidi is tipping Cork, O Rourke is going for Kerry. Team along expected lines with plenty firepower on the sideline waiting to come in if needed - Donnacha was unlucky but he's started games in the past that I thought he was lucky to start. When last did Paidi tip us to win anyway - its about time that he got over it at this stage Come on the kingdom!!!!!!
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Post by Owenabue on Sept 18, 2009 10:30:35 GMT
As this place should be PG rating, I better not say in what context animal could be used. I'd rather not be used at all thanks! Although Páidí's now famous quote is the inspiration behind my username. Ah the innocents of it all.
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Post by seamus on Sept 18, 2009 11:01:43 GMT
Ah Oweny, Sure you know how innocent us Kerry people are. We still dont know our way around dublin and just head for O'Connell St looking both ways when we cross the road on the one way system!
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Post by animal on Sept 18, 2009 11:07:30 GMT
Ah Oweny, Sure you know how innocent us Kerry people are. We still dont know our way around dublin and just head for O'Connell St looking both ways when we cross the road on the one way system! After what happened on O'Connell St this Wednesday looking both ways is a most excellent idea!
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Post by seamus on Sept 18, 2009 11:12:20 GMT
Ah Oweny, Sure you know how innocent us Kerry people are. We still dont know our way around dublin and just head for O'Connell St looking both ways when we cross the road on the one way system! After what happened on O'Connell St this Wednesday looking both ways is a most excellent idea! I walked into that one!!
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 18, 2009 11:15:54 GMT
After what happened on O'Connell St this Wednesday looking both ways is a most excellent idea! I walked into that one!! We'll excuse you being a country boy ;D
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Post by Owenabue on Sept 18, 2009 11:19:07 GMT
Ah Oweny, Sure you know how innocent us Kerry people are. We still dont know our way around dublin and just head for O'Connell St looking both ways when we cross the road on the one way system! I give up.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 18, 2009 12:46:14 GMT
Possibly the worst match preview ever on rte.ie - Kerrygold just posted it on the articles thread.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Sept 18, 2009 12:56:17 GMT
Possibly the worst match preview ever on rte.ie - Kerrygold just posted it on the articles thread. you're absoluetly right there. They're even predicting a draw. It will be close but whatever happens a draw is highly unlikely if you ask me since no team want to go through this again. A draw is possible of course but I think if Kerry start early they will win it by 2 points if not they might loose it. Whoever wins it it will be well deserved I think.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 18, 2009 13:09:50 GMT
Possibly the worst match preview ever on rte.ie - Kerrygold just posted it on the articles thread. Mickey Mouse in a tea cup springs to mind. Did anyone hear Brolly with Des Cahill yesterday,how did he call the game?
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 18, 2009 13:12:06 GMT
Possibly the worst match preview ever on rte.ie - Kerrygold just posted it on the articles thread. Mickey Mouse in a tea cup springs to mind. Did anyone hear Brolly with Des Cahill yesterday,how did he call the game? Called it for Kerry.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 18, 2009 13:13:51 GMT
Mickey Mouse in a tea cup springs to mind. Did anyone hear Brolly with Des Cahill yesterday,how did he call the game? Called it for Kerry. Ta.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Sept 18, 2009 13:16:14 GMT
Possibly the worst match preview ever on rte.ie - Kerrygold just posted it on the articles thread. Mickey Mouse in a tea cup springs to mind. Did anyone hear Brolly with Des Cahill yesterday,how did he call the game? Surprisingly he went for Kerry. I would have guessed he'd say Cork because than his beloved Ulster teams were defeated by the All Ireland champions. BUt we defeated Antrim so maybe that's why he thinks we should win. He wrote an article in Gaeliclife last week about picth invasions and for once I totally agreed with him. Maybe Brolly is improving himself.
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Post by animal on Sept 18, 2009 14:03:51 GMT
At this stage now I'm doing nothing but thinking about different scenarios that might arise. One that worries me is that they'll target Darragh for pace. I can't see Darragh catching a guy who gets past him especially one with speed.
This is where Seamus Scanlon will be crucial. It was notable against Meath how much defensive work he put in. Was that done with an eye to playing Cork? Will he be an extra buffer / barrier to meet any Cork attack running through? Watching the goal they scored in Killarney this year would put the fear of God into you!
An awful lot of course will depend on our half forward line keeping the Cork half back line honest. If we can stop these boys getting on the ball we'll stop the majority of Cork attacks. Paul and Tadhg will be well up for this task but whoever the 3rd person on this line turns out to be (Declan or Darran) will have to play a game at times that perhaps is not their first instinct.
I am more hopeful of our full forward line even though I still don't think that Gooch and Tommy combine well together. They should pose enough threat over what I believe is a small and vulnerable Cork full back line. No way will Gooch allow Lynch get the better of him again. Don't be surprised though if Lynch resorts to fouling as he did frequently in the semi-final replay last year.
Our half back line V their half forward line is a journey into the unknown in many ways. I think Mike Mac will shackle O'Neill who I must say is one of the most improved footballers in the country. The 2 Cork wing forwards are very fast. Here I'd worry slightly for Tomás. Having said that Tomás has been flying of late and will be far more experienced than either of the 2 wing forwards (I take no notice of positions here by the way). Killian needs to improve on his performance in last year's final by 100% when he was beaten by Dooher. i expect he will.
Lastly our full back line is looking a lot healthier these days they'll do the business.
Lads
We're going to do it.
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Post by the1theyalllove on Sept 18, 2009 14:05:42 GMT
Oh god i could handly a draw aft the day im after having working in cork - there were playing the banks and everything!!! So im in bits at this stage -
I have every confidence in the boys - since the first day day out this yr in Tralee v's Donegal.....Bellaghy, Omagh, Dublin, Longford, Tullamore, Cork - every single day they have gone out and given there all and sure we cant ask much more of than.......
6 All-Irelands in a row - unbelievable - were spoilt really - so looking forward to the whole wkend must most especially when they play the national anthem - the hairs will be standing in the back of your head - so so proud of being from Kerry.........
So Kerry to win cos IN JACK WE TRUST......
COME ON KINDGOM......
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Post by mossyd on Sept 18, 2009 14:49:08 GMT
As a few people have already said, I think breaking even at midfield is the key. We were overran in the replay this year...what can Jacko change to stop this happening again? We have to counter the tactic they used of pulling our guys to the wings for their kickouts. Cork have more target men than us and are more mobile in this area. Is it a case of breaking all the ball from their kickouts and hoping the likes of Galvin etc can win dirty ball (didn't work for Tyrone) ...otherwise will Jacko be forced into bringing on Quirke or Moran as another kickout targetman if we are being cleaned out? I feel we have the measure of Cork in all other areas and I expect Galvin, Tadhg, Gooch and Tommy to be on fire...no team has managed to curb Cork's dominance in midfield this year...I know Dara and Scanlon won't be found wanting but would be interested in any opinions on how to help them. Hoping for great game and whatever the outcome, this team deserve huge credit. 6 all-irelands in a row in phenomonal in this era. Ciarrai Abu !!!
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Post by kerryscoob on Sept 18, 2009 14:55:52 GMT
Chieftain I remember the year Armagh beat us, we had flown into Cork from Lanzarote, watched the match in the airport bar, herself who has no interest in the game but is born and bred Kerry was shocked at the HATRED for us including the kids from the rebels. They really do despise us, as others on the forum have noted reading rebelgaa.ie It's rebelgaa.com. It's funny how ye get odd if someone calls ye animals, yet see nothing wrong with constantly calling us langers. Pot calling the kettle black perhaps? Owenabue my apologies on the web address, are we getting nervous, surely we won't fall out over that. ;D
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Post by buck02 on Sept 18, 2009 14:56:01 GMT
Time to call it.
Everybody seems to be tipping Cork and going on what we have seen so far this year (which has all been analysed to death and I'm not going to go over it again) who can blame them? I think they are probably marginally better now than when we played them earlier in the year.
If I was a Cork fan what I would be worried about it that for (I think) 6 of the starting 15 and 4 of the forwards, this will be their first all ireland starting. No Cork player has won an all ireland. So far they have displayed that they dont have to know-how to win it.
All Ireland final day is a huge occasion, there has been a 4 week build up for Cork, the whole pomp and ceremony of the day is different to any other. How will the Cork players react to this? If they react positively then one would have to say Kerry are in trouble. However if the occasion gets to even 2 or 3 of them, then I think its Cork who will be in trouble.
The big questions for Kerry is this: Was the Dublin game a one off? Can we re-produce a big game when its needed most?
Look at what Kerry have now as opposed to that replay in June (when, remember we got 5 points on the bounce to draw level only for a sloppy penalty to lose us the game). A fitter Darragh, a fully fit Tommy, a fit Marc, Scanlon, Tadgh with 5 more games under his belt, Gooch back "home" in Croke Park, Galvin for the whole game (fingers crossed). Donaghy is now an option. And the obvious increase in fitness levels since then.
We also have that vital experience. Tadgh is the only all ireland debutant and he has played in a Premiership final in Australia.
If Kerry can get the grips with Cork's kick outs, if we can get Corks half backs worrying about defending, if we can win 4 out of the 6 individual battles up front, if we can stop Cork scoring a first half goal (or if we can be level or ahead at half time) then I think Kerry can win a tight game.
On the other hand, if Cork get a foothold on the game and impose themselves on Kerry, if 14 or their starting line up play to their potential and if Kerry do not perform then I fear that Cork could end up comfortable winners. Make no mistake about it, if Cork are 4 or 5 points up with 10 minutes to go, they will want to win it by 8 or 10 points.
I feel it'll be Kerry who will win the tight game. After the hurt of last year, after the Galvin episode last year, with Tadgh returning, with Darragh's last game in Croke Park and with Tom Se and Marc ensuring Darragh wont bow out losing an All Ireland to Cork I think it'll drive Kerry on to a two point win.
Kerry 1-13 Cork 0-14
Hopefully when I check in here again on Tuesday or Wednesday, the Sam will be safely tucked up in Glenbeigh.
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Post by Owenabue on Sept 18, 2009 15:00:25 GMT
It's rebelgaa.com. It's funny how ye get odd if someone calls ye animals, yet see nothing wrong with constantly calling us langers. Pot calling the kettle black perhaps? Owenabue my apologies on the web address, are we getting nervous, surely we won't fall out over that. ;D I suppose we won't. I'll try cope with ye calling us langers too, just so long as ye stop getting into strops every time a Cork person gets excited about the thoughts of playing ye, and perhaps stops being a PC.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 18, 2009 15:11:08 GMT
One thing you overlooked there buck02 and one of the reasons why Kerry are a lot stronger than they were in June and perhaps last year is the return of Mike McCarthy.
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Post by veteran on Sept 18, 2009 15:27:41 GMT
I thought they would go for the team that started against Meath but on the other hand it is no surprise to start Tommy Walsh. It is hard luck on Doncha, a hard working if little acknowledged player.
Logic decrees that Cork should win this match. Their form, for the most part, has been outstanding all year, whereas Kerry, the Dublin match apart, have been patchy and at times incredibly poor. Yet, deep down, I feel Kerry are going to do it. The occasion and the opposition are likely to inspire them.
My good feeling is tempered by two worries, not unrelated. The match is being refereed by a fastidious, little man who knows everything about the rules but little about the nuances of a particular match. He is likely to be whistle happy and this is where my second worry manifests itself, the free taking problem. Management are taking a huge gamble in this respect. If it transpires that Kerry lose an All-Ireland due to faulty free taking Jack and friends are likely to be excoriated. However, I presume they have weighed up all the likely events and have come down on the side of the status quo as regards this conundrum. They have got it right so far and one hopes they know what they are about. I suspect they do.
So, it is Kerry then. A further hope is that the players do not reduce the occasion to a series of faction fights but rather respect the ability of their opponent and express themselves in a football sense. All I want after that is a Kerry win. Is that too much for an old boy to desire, demand even?
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Post by buck02 on Sept 18, 2009 15:29:59 GMT
One thing you overlooked there buck02 and one of the reasons why Kerry are a lot stronger than they were in June and perhaps last year is the return of Mike McCarthy. I knew I forgot somebody, apologies Mike Mc, I'm sure he'll play a stormer now he has this extra motivation
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Sept 18, 2009 16:11:33 GMT
Doesn't Mikey Harte have a Column with a paper?
Any word on who he tipped?
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 18, 2009 16:32:39 GMT
Doesn't Mikey Harte have a Column with a paper? Any word on who he tipped? Heard him talking today. He tipped Cork, mildly.....and put it this way....."If Cork don't win this, they need to seriously consider their place in football.......they have never had such an opportunity, been so well prepared and had all the right conditions".
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Post by wayupnorth on Sept 18, 2009 16:35:35 GMT
Doesn't Mikey Harte have a Column with a paper? Any word on who he tipped? He called it for Cork. Saw it on the front page of the Irish News this morning. Didn't buy it!
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Sept 18, 2009 16:48:49 GMT
Doesn't Mikey Harte have a Column with a paper? Any word on who he tipped? He called it for Cork. Saw it on the front page of the Irish News this morning. Didn't buy it! Has anyone got a subscription with The Irish News would like to read what he said?
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Post by blackandgreen on Sept 18, 2009 17:03:45 GMT
Its on Hoganstand.com
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Post by nicoshea on Sept 18, 2009 17:13:18 GMT
Logging off now as I need to pack for tomorrow..... And need to have a drink the settle the nerves....Best of Luck to all involved with Kerry and safe trip to all traveling.....
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Post by animal on Sept 18, 2009 18:12:12 GMT
I thought they would go for the team that started against Meath but on the other hand it is no surprise to start Tommy Walsh. It is hard luck on Doncha, a hard working if little acknowledged player. Logic decrees that Cork should win this match. Their form, for the most part, has been outstanding all year, whereas Kerry, the Dublin match apart, have been patchy and at times incredibly poor. Yet, deep down, I feel Kerry are going to do it. The occasion and the opposition are likely to inspire them. My good feeling is tempered by two worries, not unrelated. The match is being refereed by a fastidious, little man who knows everything about the rules but little about the nuances of a particular match. He is likely to be whistle happy and this is where my second worry manifests itself, the free taking problem. Management are taking a huge gamble in this respect. If it transpires that Kerry lose an All-Ireland due to faulty free taking Jack and friends are likely to be excoriated. However, I presume they have weighed up all the likely events and have come down on the side of the status quo as regards this conundrum. They have got it right so far and one hopes they know what they are about. I suspect they do. So, it is Kerry then. A further hope is that the players do not reduce the occasion to a series of faction fights but rather respect the ability of their opponent and express themselves in a football sense. All I want after that is a Kerry win. Is that too much for an old boy to desire, demand even? Veteran, Whilst I wouldn't be a huge fan of his he did referee the 2007 match in Killarney between us and Cork and that was alright. In fact, he could easily have given Cork a penalty at the end but didn't. I don't recall that game being free ridden and stop start but ratherr a fine flowing game of football.
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Post by Corner Back on Sept 18, 2009 20:08:47 GMT
Less than two days left.....
The occasion...
There is something special about match days in Dublin. A county united. The neighbour you have fought with all your life has the Kerry flag out, you have yours out. But for these few days you are backing the same horse.
As one drives to the smoke you look at reg plates. It’s a KY, its one of our own!! You salute them, they salute you. It may be the man you will be ‘marking’ in the North Kerry Championship in a month’s time (and maybe three month’s time!!). You are training three nights a week, planning to knock several lumps out of him. But today is different. You are different ores on the same boat.
On the way you thank the EU for all the money for the good roads. You thank God you were born a Kerryman. You thank God for gaelic football, the O’Se’s, the Kennelly’s, the Spillane’s, the tradition.
You are not long in Dublin when you start to see familiar faces following familiar routines. The piseogs! So many pints in certain pubs (and maybe mass if you can squeeze it in!) all the time edging closer to Croke Park.
The nerves are in full swing. Little things get to you. Silly thoughts start to enter your mind. Will the guy in seat next to me have eaten too many beans for breakfast? What if there is an early injury? What if the TV camera picks up on me when I’m carried away…doing my little dance? You get into the ground and an ease comes over you. Familiar surroundings!
As for the game itself….
How do I see it going? I don’t know! It was Cork on Monday, Kerry by Monday evening but Cork are young and fresh and hungry. I don’t know again!!!!
However I do see the forwards lining out as follows:
Galvin, Kennelly, Darren O’Sullivan Gooch, Declan O’Sullivan, Tommy Walsh.
The centre diamond is crucial. The trust is in Jack to have learned from that terrible day by the banks. What will the plan be for Cork’s kickouts. Will McCarthy contest them with O’Neill when Scanlon and Dara are torn to the touchline.
Lets hope the Glebe car park is a sea of green and gold on Monday night, lets hope the canister is at the top table!! Nama, the weather and the recession will be forgotten about. The length of the winter depends on 70 minutes in September.
Ciarrai abu.
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