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Post by Mickmack on Sept 16, 2009 19:38:16 GMT
George Hooks programme on Newstalk on Friday evening is coming from Gneeveguilla GAA club. Another reporter is in Knocknagree.......
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Post by veteran on Sept 16, 2009 19:51:53 GMT
"Fussy little men" tend to be devoid of common sense. An example of common sense would be a referee getting a sense of the rhythm of a game and then refereeing it accordingly and fairly. I suspect a monkey could be programmed to enforce the rules.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Sept 16, 2009 20:22:32 GMT
Fierce pressure on the ref now boys what with all the media talking about him.
Hopefully we will concentrate on what is in our control , our football.
I'm sure Jack will seek some guidance/clarity etc from the ref before the game.
Thought the article about Declan being the best pound for pound footballer wasn't far wrong.
I would dearly love to see him running at the Cork defence from around the forty.
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Post by peanuts on Sept 16, 2009 20:42:53 GMT
Heard on RTE1 TV News& sport at 6pm that the Kerry team will be announced tonight Tommorrow night according to Kerry GAA home page
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 16, 2009 20:59:21 GMT
"Fussy little men" tend to be devoid of common sense. An example of common sense would be a referee getting a sense of the rhythm of a game and then refereeing it accordingly and fairly. I suspect a monkey could be programmed to enforce the rules. If the rules are going to be enforced they should come up with new rules. It could be said that Deegan got a sense of the rhythm of last years final and Kerry got screwed by persistent fouling. So frustrated was Donaghy that he lost the head and got booked for a high tackle. I am concerned that refs are now instructed to let everything go in order to make it an open game. Thats all fine and dandy unless one team is engaging in persistent fouling and the other isnt. Of course, it wont be much good to Kerry if we are awarded a glut of scoreable frees and we have no one to kick them.
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Post by popeye on Sept 16, 2009 21:09:57 GMT
Iv a feeling it will be the same Kerry team as the one that lined out against Meath. Also the Cork team could see one change with Eoin Cadaogan replacing the injured Ray Carey. its possible.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Sept 16, 2009 21:14:30 GMT
I am not convinced that the half forward line is Tadhg's best position. Does anyone else think this?
Against Meath he was quite in the first half and ok saw some ball in the second half but usually as the result of sloppy Meath play.
I didn't see him catch any balls or evn pick up any breaks unlike Galvin.
I think he may be better employed as a roaming 3rd midfielder.
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Post by fenit67 on Sept 16, 2009 21:27:57 GMT
This is the first time since 2004 that I won't be in Dublin for the big day. I will find myself at the tender mercies of Weeshie & Co or the Donnybrook Gob*es or if I can find a link to whichever kind soul can get around the internet thought police. It is one of my gripes that RTE cannot stream to mainland Europe or at least France; who the hell else will want to show the match in France? Not the local telly that's for sure! End of rant!! Has anybody given any thought to the following forward lineout:
10. Galvin 11. Declan 12. Donnacha 13. Gooch 14.Tadgh 15.Darran
If these two lines play well or badly then Cork know that they will still need to deal with Star or Tommy or both. Shields is the new defensive "wunderkind" because of his time playing Aussie Rules; let's see how he handles one of the best Rules players around. Carey will be starting at right-full back and may not be at his best; put a speed merchant on him, in any case NOBODY likes pace! Donnacha will not stand for any of O'Leary's nonsense and Miskella won't get across the half-way line without a note from his parents saying that he doesn't have to mark Galvin, because believe me he will have a very busy afternoon otherwise. Declan will keep Canty busy and I expect a stalemate but the remaining battle will go Kerry's way; Gooch will dominate Lynch. However some players may go for a wander but Galvin will roast O'Leary should the latter digress from the gameplan. Conor Counihan knows Kerry are hard to beat and he cannot afford having O'Leary chasing Galvin around the field to exact retribution ( give a good lamp in North Kerry patois), and not concentrating on the game. Galvin is the lynchpin of this Kerry attack and he has matured, the antics earlier in the year were an exception, to the point of being the leader of the forwards.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Sept 16, 2009 21:39:41 GMT
This is the first time since 2004 that I won't be in Dublin for the big day. I will find myself at the tender mercies of Weeshie & Co or the Donnybrook Gob*es or if I can find a link to whichever kind soul can get around the internet thought police. It is one of my gripes that RTE cannot stream to mainland Europe or at least France; who the hell else will want to show the match in France? Not the local telly that's for sure! End of rant!! Try using a proxy server to pick the game up on net. There is a thread somewhere on this forum which gives some more insight into this. I'm no expert but it's worth a try.
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Post by patinkerry on Sept 16, 2009 21:48:37 GMT
. For the record my current belief now is that Kerry will spring a surprise and start Kieran, just a gut feeling that's all. Agreed I agree too, I think JOC will work on the surprise element like he did with Bastick in the Dublin match....Conor may want to have a surprise too but I don't think he has the same options as we have. If Kieran is not the surprise-there will be something else
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Post by veteran on Sept 16, 2009 21:55:23 GMT
" A fussy little man would have done us fine last year". A fussy little man could have furnished us with two red cards in last year's final.
The rules of football are so varied and so complex that if a referee decides to observe them all ,then we would have absolutely no continuity in the game. A good, sensible referee will be able to read the tenor of a match, the nuances of a particular situation. Surely, a referee with a jot of intellect, with an ounce of street wisdom, will have a different approach to a game being played in vicious, malign spirit as opposed to a game being played with an intense but largely benign attitude, even though both games theoretically should be governed by the same rules. It is not unlike, for example, driving a car by day and driving a car by night. Essentially the same rules apply but anybody with a modicum of common sense will drive with a different level of awareness at night.
It is taken for granted that referees are familiar with the rules but what separates the good from the bad is the judicious application of these rules. Of course, a lot of situations are clear cut and leave no room for interpretation. I also recognise, of course, that the better referees make mistakes but they do not leave you with a sense of frustration and fury like some referees do.
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Post by mickthebridges on Sept 16, 2009 22:28:40 GMT
There was a similar debate last year re Paul Galvin. In hindsight of course he should have started. I mean when you think of it, playing against a team who use pace and pressure as key componets of their game plan we stick Sheehan and Brosnan on the wings...! Anyway, I digress. Johnny, have you lost the run of yourself boyeen.? Are you forgetting that we failed to score again once Paul was introduced against Tyrone last year and the 1st thing he did was get himself booked and a big YELLOW card was flashed in his handsome face. ;D
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Post by patinkerry on Sept 16, 2009 23:43:06 GMT
If kieran starts (remember how good he was in the Longford match)- subs used could be Donnacha, Micheal Quirke, Tommy Walsh, Aidan, Bryan? Possibility if Kieran is 70 min match fit that he will be moved from forwards to midfield as Darragh tires (he was effective last year in the 1st Kerry Cork semi when Darragh got a red card).
If Kieran doesn't start-subs could be as above except with Kieran coming on and with Donnacha or Tommy starting
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Post by patinkerry on Sept 16, 2009 23:46:40 GMT
There was a similar debate last year re Paul Galvin. In hindsight of course he should have started. I mean when you think of it, playing against a team who use pace and pressure as key componets of their game plan we stick Sheehan and Brosnan on the wings...! Anyway, I digress. Johnny, have you lost the run of yourself boyeen.? Are you forgetting that we failed to score again once Paul was introduced against Tyrone last year and the 1st thing he did was get himself booked and a big YELLOW card was flashed in his handsome face. ;D yes but maybe that was because he came on so late and would have been better coming on at least at half-time, if not starting.
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Post by mozzy on Sept 17, 2009 1:44:56 GMT
Doesn't matter much if the ref is fussy and does call frees for us.... who takes the frees? I cannot for the life of me believe we do not have a natural free taker .....
I believe JOC will stick with the formula he has for the past few games and make the changes as needed. Tommy Griffin will play his socks off and I would love to know how fired up Cooper is - he must must be dying to show his stuff and make up for the Munster game against Lynch....
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Post by chrism on Sept 17, 2009 7:09:42 GMT
Sean Boylan on Newstalk this morning said its Corks to lose .
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Post by Johnnyb on Sept 17, 2009 8:12:53 GMT
There was a similar debate last year re Paul Galvin. In hindsight of course he should have started. I mean when you think of it, playing against a team who use pace and pressure as key componets of their game plan we stick Sheehan and Brosnan on the wings...! Anyway, I digress. Johnny, have you lost the run of yourself boyeen.? Are you forgetting that we failed to score again once Paul was introduced against Tyrone last year and the 1st thing he did was get himself booked and a big YELLOW card was flashed in his handsome face. ;D The tide of the game had swung against at that stage. I think PoSe was waiting in vain for the high ball to work. He realised an hour after everyone else in the goround that it wasnt going to work. And anyone could see BS was unfit.
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Post by sullyschoice on Sept 17, 2009 8:47:46 GMT
Sean Boylan on Newstalk this morning said its Corks to lose . Has he been sniffing his own herbs again? I wonder what former Carlow supremo, Liam Hayes has to say on the matter.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 17, 2009 9:14:06 GMT
Heaney is a gas man,All-Ireland week involving two munster teams and he writes an article about Ulster football.
I didn't bother posting it up,its online on the examiner website if anyone wants to read it.
Come to think of it he didn't mention that Wicklow beat Cavan,Fermanagh and Down in the qualifiers.
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Post by Derek on Sept 17, 2009 9:48:58 GMT
Graham Whelton you are a Langer!!!
On one hand he says that cork have averaged a 9 point defeat against Kerry since 2002 in croke park and then he finishes the piece of rubbish with this!!
"A Cork victory too should put to bed all this rubbish about Kerry being team of the decade. They may have won four All Irelands in the last ten years but a defeat to the Rebels will also mean they will have lost four All Irelands in the same last ten years."
My stomach turned when I read it!! Cork have been hammered by Kerry above in croke park for the last 10 years and that clown thinks if by some miracle they beat us on Sunday that wipes out the current Kerry panels achievement. Beggar’s belief how these people get paid to write at all?
I have been saying to friends and family that a defeat to cork wouldn’t hurt as much as the Tyrone one last year but who am i trying to kid! To lose to them would make the winter unbearable. I can’t see a team turning around a 9 point average defeat into a victory – so it’s Kerry by at least 5 points for me.
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Post by kerryscoob on Sept 17, 2009 10:08:34 GMT
Anybody read the stats on Darren, he's down as being 5 ft 10, if he's that I fecking 7ft. ;D
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 17, 2009 10:18:38 GMT
The vast majority of commentators and "experts" have been calling this for Cork. The pressure's on them, just like it was with Dublin. Just the way we want it.
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Post by Johnnyb on Sept 17, 2009 10:26:15 GMT
John Duggan from Today FM had Cork backed months ago at 7/1. He said this morning that "theres no doubt in mind" that they'd win.
He's an astute tipster. I think he backed us against Dublin and gave Meath (plus 4).
All adds to Cork pressure.
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Post by Laoch na hImeartha on Sept 17, 2009 10:27:22 GMT
Graham Whelton you are a Langer!!! "A Cork victory too should put to bed all this rubbish about Kerry being team of the decade. They may have won four All Irelands in the last ten years but a defeat to the Rebels will also mean they will have lost four All Irelands in the same last ten years." I dont' like this bull*e talk about team of the decade especially after Spillane made an amadán of himself and his county on the sunday game, but if that quote above is not motivation for the team I dunno what would be. Ciarraí Abú
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 17, 2009 10:27:35 GMT
Who will win the All-Ireland Football Final? Cork 51% (13,987 votes) Kerry 49% (13,339 votes) Total Votes: 27,326
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 17, 2009 10:28:58 GMT
The pressure to perform must be mounting on Cork.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 17, 2009 10:35:37 GMT
Am revving up for one final post to purge the system of the turmoil that's going on in my mind........
The nerves have kicked in something horrendous altogether.......
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Post by Derek on Sept 17, 2009 10:38:52 GMT
John Duggan from Today FM had Cork backed months ago at 7/1. He said this morning that "theres no doubt in mind" that they'd win. He's an astute tipster. I think he backed us against Dublin and gave Meath (plus 4). All adds to Cork pressure. No he advised a 100 on Dublin at 10/11 he said it was like buying money he was so certain dublin would beat kerry. I remember because it i texted into the show the tuesday after the dubs game! So im delighted he has tipped Cork! He even said there is no doubt in his mind that cork would win!!! Strong words indeed as the presure mounts on the cork boys!!
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Post by sullyschoice on Sept 17, 2009 10:42:59 GMT
Who exactly is John Duggan and what are his qualifications. If he is a DJ or a sports news reader then he must be right. Matt Cooper must have told him so.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 17, 2009 10:44:24 GMT
For those of you with Jumpy Nerves
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