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Post by Johnnyb on Sept 15, 2009 13:40:54 GMT
"if given the right ball" and "get the supply to them" sounds deceptively easy. Mid field and half back line will decide this game.
Someone mentioned ealier if Mike Mac can counter P O Neill and subsequently launch attacks then its sin sin. Big if though...
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Post by kerryeye on Sept 15, 2009 13:52:26 GMT
I cant see Tadgh being over awed to be honest Ardfert,he's been playin in massive high pressurised games week in week out for last ten years in Australia.Ya ican see him lappin it up and having a big impact on the game.
The team i would go for would be Murphy marc,tommy,tom sull tomas,mike mac,killian darragh,scanlon galvin,tadgh,declan, gooch,tommy,darran.
the options we have on the bench are unreal.I wouldnt hesitate in bringing Donaghy on early on if needs be.I watched the Longford game last night and his impact(after being out for over 2 and a half months) was phenomenol. look at teh othere subs we have and what counties wouldnt give to have men like these on there team. Aidan o mahony,bryan sheehan,Micheal quirke,moran,donnacha,sean sul,aidan o shea,paul o connor,padraig reidy.maher,bohane,barry john and a man named Star we are blessed to have such options on the bench and we have way stronger back up in all departments than cork do.
I have a great feeling about Sundays game and will say kerry by seven in the end.
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Post by seamus on Sept 15, 2009 13:59:53 GMT
Jack seems to be a big fan of Donncha Walsh. I reckon he is a definite to start.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 15, 2009 14:11:35 GMT
"if given the right ball" and "get the supply to them" sounds deceptively easy. Mid field and half back line will decide this game. I was responding to a previous post about moving Declan back out to the forty. Of course it sounds easy and I agree that the half backs and midfield will decide this game, along with half forward line.
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Post by duchalla on Sept 15, 2009 14:53:06 GMT
Lads
Have Kerry ever lost 2 All Ireland finals in a row?
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Post by animal on Sept 15, 2009 14:57:09 GMT
Jack seems to be a big fan of Donncha Walsh. I reckon he is a definite to start. That's my feeling too. Plus Jack has been known to spring the odd surprise on us down the years. John Crowley in 2004 for example.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 15, 2009 14:59:08 GMT
There is one question that hasnt been asked of Cork this year.......
How is that full back line under the type of diagonal ball that Tadhg sent into TW for the goal against Meath.
Neither Donegal or Tyrone asked it.
In training the fullback wont have dealt with it either.....
We shouldnt dispense with such a potent OPTION because of a chronic performance by the referee in last years final.
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Post by veteran on Sept 15, 2009 15:10:03 GMT
Kerry were beaten in the finals of 1964 and 1965 by Galway.
I notice that a lot of people are saying Kerry will do this and that if Mike McCarthy holds Pearce O'Neill. Put your life savings on Mike McCarthy to win that duel.
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Post by kerryeye on Sept 15, 2009 15:20:43 GMT
Agree veteran about mike mac..
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Post by longball2 on Sept 15, 2009 15:27:47 GMT
Lads Have Kerry ever lost 2 All Ireland finals in a row? Have Cork ever lost 4 All Ireland finals in a row?!
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 15, 2009 15:49:53 GMT
Lads Have Kerry ever lost 2 All Ireland finals in a row? Have Cork ever lost 4 All Ireland finals in a row?! They haven't been in 4 finals in a row!
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Post by Derek on Sept 15, 2009 15:52:54 GMT
Kerry were beaten in the finals of 1964 and 1965 by Galway. I notice that a lot of people are saying Kerry will do this and that if Mike McCarthy holds Pearce O'Neill. Put your life savings on Mike McCarthy to win that duel. completely agree with you veteran, and whats more is we've all seen how seamus has been dropping back between centre back and full back i believe this will also help counter Pearse O'Neill. I dont think he's a particularily good kicker of the ball from distance and his game is all about running at defences and hand passing the ball over the bar mainly and sometimes the odd goal - If he turns mike mac, i can seamus being there in waiting.
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Post by fivenarow on Sept 15, 2009 16:04:06 GMT
It could be the same team that started the last day. The only change that I can see,if at all is Tommy Walsh coming in for Donnacha but that in effect is 2 positional changes as Darren comes out on the wing. Tommy Walsh,Star,Aidan O Mahony,Paul O'Connor,Micheal Quirke,Daniel Bohane & David Moran are serious subs to have on the line if its not going to plan & the players inside know that if its not happening they will be over sitting down so that will drive them on as well. Same team that started the last day for me
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Post by kerryeye on Sept 15, 2009 16:06:23 GMT
Have Cork ever lost 4 All Ireland finals in a row?! They haven't been in 4 finals in a row! Cork last won it in 1990 and have lost in 1993,1999 and 2007,so it would be a 4 in row of sorts for them.Be a nice four in a row to inflict n our beloved neighbours
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Post by pony on Sept 15, 2009 16:17:20 GMT
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Sept 15, 2009 16:42:11 GMT
I can't make up my mind about this game at all, all confident a couple of days ago and not at all confident now! I think there will probably be very little between the teams and we might well be back on the 4th of October for round 2.
There are so many intrigueing clashes on Sunday that will have an enormous impact on the eventual outcome of the game. Kennelly v Canty, Griffin v O Neill, Mike Mac v P O' Neill, Galvin V O Leary, the midfield battle, mouthwatering stuff really. On the positive side, Kerry have improved since June, granted that wouldn't be too difficult.
Marc O Shea was injured after a couple of mins in Cork and by the time he came off the ship was listing. We will see a very different Marc on Sunday.
Tom Sull is my footballer of the year, so far,the bigger the challenge, the more he enjoys it.
Tomás and Darragh are always men for the big day, I hold no fears for them, apart from the knowledge that Darragh will tire and when he does, management will need to act quickly. Scanlan will give his all, as ever.
Galvin is playing great stuff and Kennelly is getting better with each passing game.
Tommy Walsh is chomping at the bit and ready to show that he can perform on 2 legs this time around.
Mike Mac has been the master stroke of the year by Jack, to date. He has made a huge difference in terms of adding a bit of urgency to our previously listless half back line.The ball is being moved much quicker and this will help on Sunday.
Look at the Gooch's record in games against Cork in croke park, outstanding, speaks for itself.
On the down side, however:
Tommy Griffin wont find the delivery into O Neill as easy to counteract as the high, aimless stuff that Meath kicked.He will need help on Sunday.
Killian hasn't been great this year, he will need to be on Sunday.
Declan played well against Dublin, effective, if unspectacular at other times. We need this man playing at 100% on Sunday. In my opinion, it is his running, on and off the ball that makes the Kerry forward line really hum. If Declan plays well we have a mighty chance. If he is as ineffective as he was against Cork earlier in the year, we could be staring at defeat again.
Donncha, hmm... still waiting for him to show his worth, hope it happens on Sunday. I know he does some good work around the fringes of midfield but if he ends up playing in that deep role again we are history, that is my biggest worry.
No free-taker is one of my biggest worries. If, for example, we start with the same team that started against Meath, and run at Cork, what happens if they give away frees and we start missing them.Can't afford to concede any advantage, unfortunately this looks like one we have conceded already.
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Post by Corner Back on Sept 15, 2009 17:22:21 GMT
No Tralee man might start this game. But the impact of Tralee men as subs may well decide the destiny of this years All ireland Kieran Donaghy Tommy Walsh Micheal Quirke Daniel Bohane David Moran I often heard it said by the oldtimers that you need a Tralee man in the full forward line. Hopefully an Ardshan man will do instead. In 2000 Kerry did not have a killarney, Tralee or Dingle man in the starting 15!!
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Post by kerryscoob on Sept 15, 2009 17:40:58 GMT
There is one question that hasnt been asked of Cork this year....... How is that full back line under the type of diagonal ball that Tadhg sent into TW for the goal against Meath. Neither Donegal or Tyrone asked it. In training the fullback wont have dealt with it either..... We shouldnt dispense with such a potent OPTION because of a chronic performance by the referee in last years final. I agree, but Donegal did pose a few questions Murphy a rookie decorated Shields, I thought Tyrone would add to the questions but they never showed up. Carey may be doubtful and there is gossip of Cadogan coming in this I think would cause Cork problems, I think he is a fine full back/center back but in the corner??. Full back line we can expose, the Sunday Game paneliists highlighted the Cork full forward line as possibly weak. Big game for young O'Neill , O'Connor hasn't I think being fullfilling the potential he showed.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 15, 2009 18:34:55 GMT
Off the beaten track.....how many of you have been doing the usual piseogs before the All Ireland this year?
After doing them all, to great delight come throw in of last years All Ireland (which we then lost!!), I've abandoned every one of them this year.
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Post by chrism on Sept 15, 2009 19:00:07 GMT
Cork could easily play Cadogan fullback with Shields in the corner. Cadogan was voted top club footballer in Cork last year . Some people in Cork were crying for him to be brought in ever before this Carey injury problem .
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Post by kerryscoob on Sept 15, 2009 19:10:02 GMT
Cork could easily play Cadogan fullback with Shields in the corner. Cadogan was voted top club footballer in Cork last year . Some people in Cork were crying for him to be brought in ever before this Carey injury problem . Had thought of that, but don't rate Shields in the corner either.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 15, 2009 19:38:28 GMT
Here I am sitting at my computer and instead of giving out at working at half eight at night, I'm absolutely flying at the thought of a 6th All Ireland final in a row.
Blessed are we in the Kingdom.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 15, 2009 19:49:32 GMT
I wonder how Cork will cope with the pressure of being favourites for the game? No All Ireland in 19 years, 2 All Irelands in 36 years, playing a team they have never beaten in Croke Park in 6 attempts.
Its this year or NEVER for a lot of their guys. I wonder will that be too much for them mentally.
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Post by Control on Sept 15, 2009 19:53:57 GMT
Cork Team Named
Date : 15-09-2009 20:48:19 The Cork Senior Football team to play Kerry in the All-Ireland Final on Sunday will be as follows:
Alan Quirke (Valley Rovers) Ray Carey (Clyda Rovers) Michael Shields (St. Finbarrs) Anthony Lynch (Naomh Aban) Noel O Leary (Cill na Martra) Graham Canty (Bantry Blues) - Capt. John Miskella (Ballincollig) Alan O Connor (St. Colums) Nicholas Murphy (Carrigaline) Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers) Pearse O Neill (Aghada) Paddy Kelly (Ballincollig) Daniel Goulding (Eire Og) Colm O Neill (Ballyclough) Donnacha O Connor (Ballydesmond)
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Post by buck02 on Sept 15, 2009 20:00:20 GMT
No surprises from Counihan so.
Or will we be surprised like last year when the actual team is named out at 3.15 on Sunday?
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Post by thepope on Sept 15, 2009 20:05:00 GMT
Or will we be surprised like last year when the actual team is named out at 3.15 on Sunday? is it still a surprise when its something you didn't want?? surprises like that, they can keep!! as darragh said in the tom humphries interview, 'last year we shot ourselves in the foot'- i would hope jack is capable of naming our strongest 15, best available to face each match-up- unlike last year.
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Post by seaniebo on Sept 15, 2009 21:57:39 GMT
I have to say I am extremely confident about a Kerry victory - simply because we have the likes of the Darragh Se's the Paul Galvins etc etc. Twice last year we were pegged back by the relatively same Cork team having gone 8 or 9 points up. "Oh but Cork are a different animal this year" ... Are they??? I doubt it. "Oh but Cork are a much more confident team now" Are they?? Again the jury is out there. I'll bet my bottom dollar that the last team they wanted to play this Sunday are us. I think if Cork show any sign of nervousness then they will be punished. I believe Kerry are going to explode from the blocks much like we did against Tyrone last year. I felt so sorry for Darragh last year because he was the fall guy for a lot of people yet he left his heart and soul on the pitch when it was the tactics that let us down. I believe we are a far superior outfit to Cork. Am I being cocky?? Perhaps a little. But when you see the team we have and the strength in depth its hard not to feel confident. These boys will be running through the walls before throw in. And if Cork ain't up for it then it will be 2007 revisited.
The first I would do if I was the Gooch is stare Alan Quirke in the eyes just at throw in and say "do you remember 2007" - mind games they work wonders.
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Sept 15, 2009 22:39:38 GMT
This should be in here
You say tradition counts for naught when two teams take the field, I fear you are mistaken, lad, but time will make you yield, And when your hair's as grey as mine, and time has made you old, Then you'll invoke the truth I spoke of the Kingdom's green and gold.
You cannot box or bottle it, nor grasp it in your hand, But pride of race and love of place inspire a love of land Time honoured is our birthright, we'll never break the mould, It's deep within the soul of us, who wear the green and gold.
Grey lakes and mountains soaring high, Mount Brandon's holy hill, The little church at Gallerus, our language living still, The Skellig Rock, stout football stock, they can't be bought or sold, For our county's fame, we play the game in the Kingdom's green and gold.
And when the battle's fiercest our backs are to the wall, We will stay alive, we can survive, we stumble but don’t fall For the spirit of our fathers and of stories yet untold, Still and sure, we will endure in the Kingdom’s green and gold.
We savour Kerry victories, we salute a gallant foe And when we lose, there's no excuse, we pick up our bags and go, So raise your glass each lad and lass to our warriors brave and bold, Who each year aspire to the Sam Maguire in the Kingdom's green and gold.
Gary McMahon
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Post by mickthebridges on Sept 15, 2009 22:54:16 GMT
In all fairness HUMILITY is our biggest asset and should see us through easily on Sunday. The only thing I worry about is that Cork have already won two out of two football titles already this year and we have nought. I'd be fierce worried about that Colm O Neill at full forward and his brother Pierce isn't bad either at No11. Anyway, our HUMILITY will take us through. ;D
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Post by mickthebridges on Sept 16, 2009 0:48:19 GMT
Juno lads, t'other thing that worries me a lot is the Tyrone game. Jasus almighty, not alone did this Cork team bate them, they hammered them. Hit them, hurt them, fouled them, ran at them, and then hit them again and bate them into the hallowed soil of Croke Park. This is the TYrone team that scuttered us last year in Croke Park and twice before that. I'm worried about our performances in Croker recently.? I'll never forget Micky Harte's face as the RTE cameras honed in on his stubble. The man was transfixed by the ferocity of this Cork team. The only thing that gives me a bit of hope is they miight have paeaked or is it peeked too soon.
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