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Post by JOAN on Sept 14, 2009 18:49:57 GMT
Nice job Kerrygold made me miss home....but like noelandy have the huge KY flag flying outside the house much to the neighbors dislike but to hell with them for a few wks.. the car is knows from the ky sticker on the back n of course any chance to wear the Kerry t-shirt. Miss not been at home for the lead up to Sunday but forever in or hearts no matter how far away we are.. there is no greater place than Kerry no matter what the occasion. Looking forward to Dublin the wkend and the chance to meet friends n family.. Best Wishes to all. and a safe journey to all who will travel be it by plane train or car.. Ciarrai abu
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 14, 2009 19:10:12 GMT
There mus be a bit of Listowel in Kerrygold alright. Seamus is right there.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 14, 2009 19:30:40 GMT
After two weeks of a phoney war after the Meath game things are starting to get serious now. The hard work has been done, the tactics have been devised and now its down to who performs on the day.
I've said it before (about Mayo in 04 and Cork in 07) - a lot depends on how the guys who arent used of these occasions handle the whole day. Its totally different to any other day you play in Croke Park. Cork have 4 forwards starting their first final on Sunday, if the occasion gets to them, well then Cork are in big trouble.
Kerry will have one player who hasnt played in an All Ireland before. He left behind super-stardom and a few hundred thousand dollars a year to get to where he is on Sunday - I can only pray the occasion doesnt get to him.
Going through the game in my head I find it very hard to call. Was this the plan all year - build up to an all ireland final and then cut loose? Or was the poor periods of play we witnessed in Killarney, Pairc Ui Chaoimh, Longford, Tralee, Tullamore and Croke Park symptomatic of a bigger problem in the team this year? Are Cork as good as Kerry, Donegal and to an extent, Tyrone made them look all summer? Can they get over the mental block (just like Kerrys mental block of Tyrone) of beating Kerry in Croke Park?
I have come to the conclusion that it will either be a close win (>3) for Kerry or a handy win (<5) for Cork. I also fear that our little friend, Mr Duffy (now which one of the Mr Men characters would he be?) will play a big part in determining who goes home with nothing.
Looking forward to the next 5 days - for the 6th year in a row.
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Post by seamus on Sept 14, 2009 20:03:17 GMT
Jack has negotiated every challenge put to him this year.
His handling of Mike Mc, the way he slowly blended in Kennelly, the way he played Darragh to fitness, eased the kickouts problem, restructured the team when our tall men had issues of one sort or another, changed the team after 20mins v Meath, stuck with Donncha Walsh when the punters wanted him out, gave the relevent boys a kick up the ass for the break out.
He also changed tactics when the uber defensive system used vs Cork in Munster did not work.
He is a shrewd, shrewd man and will have a few curveballs to throw at Cork on Sunday.
In Jack we trust.
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Post by sambo on Sept 14, 2009 20:06:00 GMT
This is most likely the last time we will see Dara in a Kerry jersey. Win or lose on Sunday I hope goes out with a reasonable performance. He owes us nothing!!! But if we are been beaten around the middle of the park I hope he keeps his head and remains on the field. P O'Neill will do his bit to provoke him....aka 2008. I also hope Scanlon contributes going forward as well. He played poorly in final last year so we need him to have a big one on Sunday. For me midfield is key. We cleaned out Dublin there and that set the tone for that game. In all the other games we broke even and struggled over the line as a result.
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Post by chrism on Sept 14, 2009 21:11:53 GMT
Heard Murt from the Kerryman on radio 1 after 7. He said Paul Galvin has done very little training since Meath match with a stomach muscle problem. Thinks he will be ok though. Also said Tommy Walsh will not be on the first 15. Declan O Sullivan will play a roaming role at number 14. A word of warning Monaghan tried this in the league final an it just played in into Shields hands. He was kicking the most wonderful kick passes into the forwards and they were scoring some fine points.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Sept 14, 2009 21:23:44 GMT
Sambo,I agree that we cleaned Dublin out at midfield. They had two men who were 2nd rate midfielders at best. However, I think that we struggled against Sligo and Antrim, despite dominating at midfield. I think there was a general malaise in the team at the time, very static forward line, no hard running and our half back line being too lose at times. Against Sligo, in particular, when they ran at us we were at sixes and sevens.
I do agree that midfield is crucial, it has been a disaster zone in both Cork games this year and I really hope we can be competitive there next Sunday.Darragh will need to roll back the years and hold the head the next day. Scanlan had a poor final last year so hopefully he can make amends this year, he will be anxious to do so, I'm sure.
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Post by chrism on Sept 14, 2009 21:33:36 GMT
One would be hoping that Darrgh will be a bit fitter . By all accounts Alan O Connor is flying it in training. Cork usually bring on Gould for last quarter. Cussen usually follows then. We can bring on Mike Quirke but I would fear for him against Cork. Grand against Meath , a team with little pace.
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Post by JOAN on Sept 15, 2009 0:04:28 GMT
Cork have seroius pace this year..cant see kerry having any changes from the last game.. think tadgh will hold as donncha.. Unless star is fit then he would most likely start again he is a fast pacey player.... Jack has options and wont be afraid to make the changes..
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Post by ranabb on Sept 15, 2009 3:48:23 GMT
Joan are you going back for the match?
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Post by animal on Sept 15, 2009 8:22:03 GMT
Right lads let's call it. Who is going to play in the forward line?
In my eyes the guaranteed places are Paul Galvin, Declan O'Sullivan, Colm Cooper and most likely Tadhg Kennelly. That leaves Donnacha Walsh, Darran Sullivan and Tommy Walsh to duke it out for the remaining 2 places. I must have changed my mind a 100 times on this over the last week or two but more and more arriving at the conclusion that Tommy could be the one to lose out.
Tommy tends to that little bit more individualistic (jaysus is that a word?) and it's never really clicked for him and Gooch together. Darran and Gooch seem to combine nicely with each other so the challenge will be to get the right ball in to the boys.
Donnacha has gone from being a player I did not rate at all to one that I feel is necessary on Sunday for his workrate and running. I can't see either Darran or Tommy doing that kind of hard labour from the wing and it could make a massive difference.
The irony here of course is that I have put the twin towers on the bench. I have turned last year's plan A into this year's plan B (not that one the other one!). No matter what happens during the course of the game I expect at least Tommy and maybe Kieran to see some game time - hopefully with the game won by the time they come on. No harm in wishful thinking eh?
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Post by kerryscoob on Sept 15, 2009 9:24:15 GMT
One would be hoping that Darrgh will be a bit fitter . By all accounts Alan O Connor is flying it in training. Cork usually bring on Gould for last quarter. Cussen usually follows then. We can bring on Mike Quirke but I would fear for him against Cork. Grand against Meath , a team with little pace. Chrism I can't agree with you on Quirke, of all the county teams Quirke has played, Cork are the team he has most game time against and every time he has come out of top Last year in the replay in Croke Park we fell to pieces once he went off. Yes he isn't a 70 minute man but we will get a very solid 20 from him when required. Cussen isn't the first cousin ;D of a county player but he is a huge nuisance factor. Murphy Backs as was for Meath game Midfield the great one and Seamus. Paul, Tadgh, Donnacha Colm, Declan, Darren. This a a mobile team using pace and movement as somebody says this years Plan A is last years Plan B which was never implemented. My one worry and I know I'll get killed for writing this, but I hope Darren has a good game, I fear Corks physique will neutralise his speed, you can't run if your getting the * kicked out of you. Donnacha to start with Tadgh on the 40. Will Shields have the pace for Declan.?? I really think this full back line of Corks is not as great as what some people think. In the Munster final replay Tommy had one leg and made Shields look very very good, Colm, I think enough has already been said and Carey now will have a speed merchant to chase I think Bryan started in the replay. M. Murphy from Donegal gave Shields a torrid time. in the quarter final and Tyrone never got going to expose them. The men on the 40 will have to ensure the Cork half back line stay defending and are not marauding up the field. The match ups will also be a deciding factor of who will start, but we do have a new strategy which is pace and power. Ref will be another factor, will it turn out like the hurling final where you could have got away with manslaughter, or will it turn into a card fest.
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Post by Owenabue on Sept 15, 2009 9:42:36 GMT
Scoob, with all the bad press football gets, I'd imagine at least 2 will be sent off.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 15, 2009 10:06:29 GMT
O Leary and O Neil I'd say.
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Post by chrism on Sept 15, 2009 10:24:16 GMT
In relation to Mike Quirke I really think there is no point talking about Cork team of last year. They are much faster and fitter this year. Playing a different type of game. Hope you are right but I think Murphy, O Connor and Gould are playing much better this year. Would agree that Tommy was not right injury wise in june. However down the other end they have real find in Colm o Neill and another thing that worries me is that Goulding roasted Tom O ' Sullivan in June. Last year Goulding rounded Tom in the first match in Croker with ease and got a goal.
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Post by kerryscoob on Sept 15, 2009 10:49:58 GMT
Scoob, with all the bad press football gets, I'd imagine at least 2 will be sent off. Huh!!! Owenabue ye can't go out with that sort of an attitude thinking that 2 of the rebels will get sent off, I know Cork were lucky just to finish with 14 against Tyrone now ye are going to try and go one better and finish with 13. Already my weekend is fecked up, the young fella has a hurling championship match set for 16:30 Sat., accommodation cancelled for Sat. night, now booking flights/trains for Sunday morning. Bórd na nÓg wouldn't organise a piss up in a brewery the biggest weekend of the GAA calender and they won't reschedule a juvenile match.
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Post by animal on Sept 15, 2009 10:59:43 GMT
Scoob, with all the bad press football gets, I'd imagine at least 2 will be sent off. Huh!!! Owenabue ye can't go out with that sort of an attitude thinking that 2 of the rebels will get sent off, I know Cork were lucky just to finish with 14 against Tyrone now ye are going to try and go one better and finish with 13. Already my weekend is fecked up, the young fella has a hurling championship match set for 16:30 Sat., accommodation cancelled for Sat. night, now booking flights/trains for Sunday morning. Bórd na nÓg wouldn't organise a piss up in a brewery the biggest weekend of the GAA calender and they won't reschedule a juvenile match. Gotta love the GAA sometimes. Stubborn for the sake of it! I'd have thought the flights were full by now?
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Post by kerryscoob on Sept 15, 2009 11:17:11 GMT
Have now booked flights to Dublin ( from Cork) for myself and himself for €90, train down for about €50, new polo top €40, brekie in the Kylemore €20, *load of pints ? It's a bit like a Mastercard ad. and then to finish it off Kerry to win Sam PRICELESS!!! Had planned to go up on the Sat. take in a bit of the atmosphere, herself would have then drove us home Sunday night. I'm wary of travelling down on the rebel train with them in joyous form, IF the unthinkable was to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2009 11:31:19 GMT
Right lads let's call it. Who is going to play in the forward line? I think it'll be: FF line: Gooch, Dec o Sullivan, Tommy Walsh HF line: Galvin, Kennelly, Walsh I think Kennelly could keep Canty nice and honest
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Post by JOAN on Sept 15, 2009 11:33:43 GMT
Joan are you going back for the match? Wouldnt miss it!!!!!!
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 15, 2009 11:35:48 GMT
Can't see Darren being dropped to be honest. Although the thoughts of Tommy and Declan linking up is a mouth watering one.
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Post by zygote on Sept 15, 2009 11:55:41 GMT
HF: Galvin Declan Kennelly FF: Gooch Tommy Darren
Darren out on Miskella, Kennelly to roam all he surveys. Donnacha extremely unlucky. Feelo might not be far off either
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Post by Owenabue on Sept 15, 2009 11:58:36 GMT
Scoob, with all the bad press football gets, I'd imagine at least 2 will be sent off. Huh!!! Owenabue ye can't go out with that sort of an attitude thinking that 2 of the rebels will get sent off, I know Cork were lucky just to finish with 14 against Tyrone now ye are going to try and go one better and finish with 13. Already my weekend is fecked up, the young fella has a hurling championship match set for 16:30 Sat., accommodation cancelled for Sat. night, now booking flights/trains for Sunday morning. Bórd na nÓg wouldn't organise a piss up in a brewery the biggest weekend of the GAA calender and they won't reschedule a juvenile match. I was going to make a joke of that, but that ye were stil a bit sensitive over us beating Tyrone with 14 men.
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Post by nicoshea on Sept 15, 2009 11:59:48 GMT
O Leary and O Neil I'd say. Darragh and Miskella
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Post by tpo on Sept 15, 2009 12:06:28 GMT
Think it will be the same team that started against Meath, with Tommy coming in early for any forward thats struggling
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 15, 2009 12:42:58 GMT
Who will win the All-Ireland Football Final? Cork 47% (9,885 votes) Kerry 53% (11,055 votes) Total Votes: 20,940
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 15, 2009 12:47:28 GMT
No Tralee man might start this game.
But the impact of Tralee men as subs may well decide the destiny of this years All ireland
Kieran Donaghy Tommy Walsh Micheal Quirke Daniel Bohane David Moran
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Post by animal on Sept 15, 2009 12:58:41 GMT
No Tralee man might start this game. But the impact of Tralee men as subs may well decide the destiny of this years All ireland Kieran Donaghy Tommy Walsh Micheal Quirke Daniel Bohane David Moran I often heard it said by the oldtimers that you need a Tralee man in the full forward line. Hopefully an Ardshan man will do instead.
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Post by yerrah07 on Sept 15, 2009 12:59:35 GMT
I think there is a bit too much emphasis on how our half forwards can stop their half backs. While tracking back is very important, we need them to fear our half forwards...so should we not play the finest half forward in the country, i.e. Declan O' Sullivan, in his natural position...will Messrs Canty et al be as worried about Galvin, Kennelly and Walsh as they would be about Dec?
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 15, 2009 13:30:15 GMT
You raise a valid point yerrah and one that I would be slow to disagree with. However, we have to trust that Jack and co will make the right calls in their selection. Tony Leen's article about Declan shows just why they might be tempted to leave him in closer to the goal where he can be devastating, if given the right ball. In Declan and the Gooch we have 2 of the finest footballers in the 32 counties. Get the suppy to them right on the day and they will cause havoc. For me the biggest call they have to make is whether or not Tadhg is the right man on the 40 against a player of the calibre and experience of Canty. Remember this his first Final and the fear would be that he may be over awed. However, I think he is a natural born winner and will lap it up.
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