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Post by animal on Sept 11, 2009 11:34:49 GMT
Jack has hardly left Donnacha out of a team this year and clearly feels he has a job to do. I must say it's taken me a while to come around to this way of thinking as I've not been his biggest fan. I would not be one bit surprised if he started the final. In fact I'd nearly worry that if he wasn't playing we'd lose his physical aggression and energy. This could be what we need especially early on against Cork. I just wouldn't be sure about either Tommy or Darran offering that physicality and energy at wing forward when it could be a day in the trenches. Huge decisions for Jack and the boys to make here. Only they have the answers. Don't rule out a surprise just yet. Nobody saw John Crowley starting in 2004 but it fitted their game plan so in he went and played a stormer.
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Post by mafi97 on Sept 11, 2009 12:05:22 GMT
I dont know,they might give Donnacha the first 20 minutes in the war zone first.He was hugely physical v Meath. I could'nt agree more. I put him under the spotlight, both on and off the ball that day. The amount of work he does is unreal. Just before he was substituted, he fumbled a ball that squirted away from him on the greasy surface - his only blemish. I had just mentioned to my companion that he was working towards MOM - when his number was up. Just as well, TW came good. If it is raining - when changes up front have to made, it should be Darren who makes way. Think back to the wet days over the past two years, when Darren reverts to Head Down/Blind Alley.
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Post by KY50 on Sept 11, 2009 12:23:50 GMT
Cork look very strong and they believe they will dominate for years to come. They are the form team and its theirs to lose
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Post by Tadhgeen on Sept 11, 2009 12:28:32 GMT
I dont know,they might give Donnacha the first 20 minutes in the war zone first.He was hugely physical v Meath. I could'nt agree more. I put him under the spotlight, both on and off the ball that day. The amount of work he does is unreal. Just before he was substituted, he fumbled a ball that squirted away from him on the greasy surface - his only blemish. I had just mentioned to my companion that he was working towards MOM - when his number was up. Just as well, TW came good. If it is raining - when changes up front have to made, it should be Darren who makes way. Think back to the wet days over the past two years, when Darren reverts to Head Down/Blind Alley. Agree that Donncha should start. He was going welkl when taken off v Meath. However I think that Declan should also start on the forty , put Tadhgy in corner forward and ask him to play as a third midfielder........ So Galvin, Declan, Donncha Gooch, Tommy, Tadhg
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 11, 2009 13:04:52 GMT
Here is what smug Tony Davis had to say before the Cork-Tyrone match.......
Davis agrees, suggesting that Counihan's natural authority has Cork looking dangerous now.
The marriage of old soldiers like Anthony Lynch and Nicholas Murphy to a batch of gifted U-21 stars emits a healthy glow.
"I think there's more of a streak in Cork this year that we can actually finish a team off," says Davis, while sounding a cautionary note about tomorrow's opponents.
"It may sound a bit arrogant in a way, but we know that we can beat Kerry. Nobody really knows if we can beat Tyrone though. Because they're a team that just hates losing. If it's level with 10 minutes to go, the chips almost always come down on Tyrone's side. You know what they're going to be like. They're a real, dogged, hard team to beat.
"We've never met anything like that. So it's a new experience for the lads. Tyrone's tackling is ferocious. They've been through so much, they're a really tight unit. And until Cork beat somebody like that, you can't talk about them as being contenders.
"Because Tyrone are the team."
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 11, 2009 13:14:47 GMT
Don't worry about that gob*e MM. He's only showing Cork's weakness with this kind of crap, i.e. Cork have always (this decade) feared Kerry in Croker.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 11, 2009 13:16:22 GMT
I could'nt agree more. I put him under the spotlight, both on and off the ball that day. The amount of work he does is unreal. Just before he was substituted, he fumbled a ball that squirted away from him on the greasy surface - his only blemish. I had just mentioned to my companion that he was working towards MOM - when his number was up. Just as well, TW came good. If it is raining - when changes up front have to made, it should be Darren who makes way. Think back to the wet days over the past two years, when Darren reverts to Head Down/Blind Alley. Agree that Donncha should start. He was going welkl when taken off v Meath. However I think that Declan should also start on the forty , put Tadhgy in corner forward and ask him to play as a third midfielder........ So Galvin, Declan, Donncha Gooch, Tommy, Tadhg Can't agree with that. Tadhg's biggest assets are his athleticism and his distribution. You lose both of those in the corner.
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Post by overtheblackspot on Sept 11, 2009 13:27:01 GMT
I'm a Kerryman living abroad, does any1 have a clue how to get the final streamed live.. It looks like RTE are only streaming it to the island of ireland..
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Post by Tadhgeen on Sept 11, 2009 14:12:56 GMT
Agree that Donncha should start. He was going welkl when taken off v Meath. However I think that Declan should also start on the forty , put Tadhgy in corner forward and ask him to play as a third midfielder........ So Galvin, Declan, Donncha Gooch, Tommy, Tadhg Can't agree with that. Tadhg's biggest assets are his athleticism and his distribution. You lose both of those in the corner. Not if he is out roaming around midfield. This will also help to counteract Cork's strength in the midfield diamond and shore up our midfield when Darragh tires
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Post by animal on Sept 11, 2009 14:41:13 GMT
Can't agree with that. Tadhg's biggest assets are his athleticism and his distribution. You lose both of those in the corner. Not if he is out roaming around midfield. This will also help to counteract Cork's strength in the midfield diamond and shore up our midfield when Darragh tires Not too sure about leaving Tommy and the Gooch as a two man full forward line either. Has never really clicked between the two of them. Gooch seems to get frustrated playing alongside Tommy and sure Tommy tends to do his own thing regardless of who he's playing with.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Sept 11, 2009 16:21:07 GMT
Not if he is out roaming around midfield. This will also help to counteract Cork's strength in the midfield diamond and shore up our midfield when Darragh tires Not too sure about leaving Tommy and the Gooch as a two man full forward line either. Has never really clicked between the two of them. Gooch seems to get frustrated playing alongside Tommy and sure Tommy tends to do his own thing regardless of who he's playing with. I take your point. I am a bit worried about the midfield area though. Ideally Donaghy would make for a better partner to Gooch.
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Post by Corner Back on Sept 11, 2009 18:05:53 GMT
In fairness Christy Cooney should just nip down the road from Youghal to Aghada and give Conor Counihan the trophy now. Kerry have no business going up for the match at all really Cork are that good. They are all 8 foot tall all faster then Usain Bolt, have more stamina than John Treacy and stronger than Paul O'Connell. If they insist that Kerry have to play we will have to take to the field with the aid of zimmer frames and stretchers. and they will take to the field still half drunk
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Post by Corner Back on Sept 11, 2009 18:08:13 GMT
Here is what smug Tony Davis had to say before the Cork-Tyrone match....... Davis agrees, suggesting that Counihan's natural authority has Cork looking dangerous now.
The marriage of old soldiers like Anthony Lynch and Nicholas Murphy to a batch of gifted U-21 stars emits a healthy glow.
"I think there's more of a streak in Cork this year that we can actually finish a team off," says Davis, while sounding a cautionary note about tomorrow's opponents.
"It may sound a bit arrogant in a way, but we know that we can beat Kerry. Nobody really knows if we can beat Tyrone though. Because they're a team that just hates losing. If it's level with 10 minutes to go, the chips almost always come down on Tyrone's side. You know what they're going to be like. They're a real, dogged, hard team to beat.
"We've never met anything like that. So it's a new experience for the lads. Tyrone's tackling is ferocious. They've been through so much, they're a really tight unit. And until Cork beat somebody like that, you can't talk about them as being contenders.
"Because Tyrone are the team."and dont forget his "kerry's team of old dinosours" comment the night before the Kerry V Dublin game
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 11, 2009 18:17:05 GMT
Team of old dinosaurs...... dont recall that ... what was the context
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 11, 2009 18:38:24 GMT
Read on another forum that Cork had a fierce intense A v B game. The B team had the Kerry Jerseys on. A friend of mine was at Cork V Tyrone. He said you would have to be there to see it but he never saw so many Tyrone bodies lying on the ground in the 2nd half. TV did not do it justice. I was there, and Tyrone came into the game 2ft under already.....they looked so so flat from before the throw in, and remained that way.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 11, 2009 18:40:08 GMT
Two thoughts as I woke up this morning (read the Kerryman article about Gooch online before going to bed). 1) Yerra 2) Am beginning to grow quietly confident..... Do you mean Yerra as in 'The Kingdom of Yerra' as Tom Humphries calls the Kerry Press day before the All Ireland! I can see the papers already 'Yerra, Cork are the form team all year' 'Yerra, we will have a go off them' 'Yerra, its all on the day' Yerra as in, all of the above. Yerra as in, sure Gooch is grand, he hopped up the step into the Bank going into work and didn't look like he had anything wrong with him. Yerra as in......feck it lads, we've been here before. We can win this.
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Post by Corner Back on Sept 11, 2009 18:52:43 GMT
Team of old dinosaurs...... dont recall that ... what was the context APOLOGIES, APOLOGIES I dont remember the exact comment but I think it may have been about fossils rather than dinosours. I know Tony personally and clearly remember giving him a good slagging about it the week after the Dublin match ;D
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Post by wayupnorth on Sept 11, 2009 19:13:35 GMT
Team of old dinosaurs...... dont recall that ... what was the context APOLOGIES, APOLOGIES I dont remember the exact comment but I think it may have been about fossils rather than dinosours. I know Tony personally and clearly remember giving him a good slagging about it the week after the Dublin match ;D On the Sunday Game the night before the match he said something like: "Nobody ups their game by 80% when they get to Croke Park" I couldn't help thinking about it all through the QF ;D I hope Tony had a large plate of word salad afterwards.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 11, 2009 20:46:36 GMT
He called it as he saw it in fairness.
Most of us agreed with him at that particular time.
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Post by mozzy on Sept 11, 2009 21:56:15 GMT
So if Cooper's injury is serious and he can't play per today's latest - who takes over?
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Post by mickthebridges on Sept 11, 2009 22:35:26 GMT
FFS I dont know what yere worried about. Any team that could score 1-24 against Dublin must have a great chance against Cork, who struggled against a Tyrone team ravished by flu and disease. Isnt it well known that the firm of contract cleaners employed to clean the Red hand team bus almost got sick with the smell of puke during the cleanup on Monday. Donegal were a junior team and dont get me started about Limerick. Kerry by 10 and the start of something big, agin
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Post by wayupnorth on Sept 11, 2009 23:01:19 GMT
He called it as he saw it in fairness. Most of us agreed with him at that particular time. True!
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Post by JOAN on Sept 12, 2009 1:13:26 GMT
kerry will be well up for cork have no doubt about that.. kerry in sept is a totally different team from june!!!!
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Post by scoobydo on Sept 12, 2009 8:40:05 GMT
FFS I dont know what yere worried about. Any team that could score 1-24 against Dublin must have a great chance against Cork, who struggled against a Tyrone team ravished by flu and disease. Isnt it well known that the firm of contract cleaners employed to clean the Red hand team bus almost got sick with the smell of puke during the cleanup on Monday. Donegal were a junior team and dont get me started about Limerick. Kerry by 10 and the start of something big, agin .....Oh yawn..... Mick this is getting tiresome, wouldn't mind if you were remotely funny. Why don't you just save yours and more importantly our time and stick to rebelgaa.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 12, 2009 8:49:59 GMT
Top drawer interview by Tom Humphries with Darragh today in the Times. Have put it up in the articles thread.
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Post by mozzy on Sept 12, 2009 8:53:09 GMT
Top drawer interview by Tom Humphries with Darragh today in the Times. Have put it up in the articles thread. what are your thoughts if Cooper was not to play or is it all hogwash?
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 12, 2009 9:14:37 GMT
Jerome Conway came out yesterday saying it was all hogwash.
Put it this way......I had heard he was injured, and that he scored a rake in the trial game.........I'd rather believe the latter. I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle.
HOn
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Post by mandad on Sept 12, 2009 11:32:42 GMT
Good turn-out of support at the stadium this morning. Everybody present and looked in good shape - including Colm and Kieran Donaghy. There is a calm determination about this group that one has to admire. They might be underdogs but they will put up one hell of a battle.
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Post by maineview on Sept 12, 2009 14:57:57 GMT
It was nice to see such a good turn out this morning for the open day, just dissappointing that the kids didnt get to meet the players. All the squad looked very relaxed and all where moving very freely including gooch, he was turning and kicking like there was no bother on him, the journalists took particular interest in his warm up routine, he was on his own doing his own stretches and there was 2 journalists right up with him, maybe its just to see if he was/is injured, but in the kick around after he ran at his ease, it was also nice that all the lads showed their appreciation for the support by applauding the supporters as they walked along the stand.So lets just sit back relax and enjoy the rest of the build up and let cork get even more carried away with themselves
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Post by animal on Sept 12, 2009 18:41:46 GMT
Top drawer interview by Tom Humphries with Darragh today in the Times. Have put it up in the articles thread. what are your thoughts if Cooper was not to play or is it all hogwash? As Frankie said in the 80's - Relax! Gooch will be there and fighting fit.
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