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Post by butchy on Sept 5, 2006 9:33:04 GMT
Please god Kerry won't have too many Kickouts !!
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Post by kerryman99 on Sept 6, 2006 11:23:42 GMT
26 hours since the last post!? the game is getting near! Anyone see that GAA show on setanta last night. The two pannelists are the worst around, the presenter isnt much better! they go completely off the ball and ramble on. Anyway one reckoned Donaghy will take Heaney, the other said McGarrity might drop back, but I don’t think this will happen. I think it would weaken the mayo midfield too much with with darragh in such great form.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Sept 6, 2006 11:34:45 GMT
I cant see it either Kerryman. But their midfield area will be strengthened if Padden is fit to line out at wing forward. Crowley took Heaney to the cleaners in 04 under teh high ball so Donaghy would be expected to do ok there. But the Mayo backs will be preparing for that. Its a game set up for Gooch and Russell in the corners if you ask me. Cooper is due to give some corner back a roasting in the championship
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2006 11:43:19 GMT
expecting kieran to be the dominant figure in the all-ireland final is the rock we could perish on,we will have to vary our game plan from time to time,i'm sure the management will have been working on this.
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Post by kerryman on Sept 6, 2006 11:58:59 GMT
I cant see it either Kerryman. But their midfield area will be strengthened if Padden is fit to line out at wing forward. Crowley took Heaney to the cleaners in 04 under teh high ball so Donaghy would be expected to do ok there. But the Mayo backs will be preparing for that. Its a game set up for Gooch and Russell in the corners if you ask me. Cooper is due to give some corner back a roasting in the championship Can someone tell me, whats wrong with Padden that he keeps on getting subbed? Is he injured or unfit? He seems to be playing fairly well?
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Post by Joxer on Sept 6, 2006 12:12:41 GMT
injured I think Kerryman. Anyone listening to Terrace Talk on monday evening last? A few interesting statistics thrown out...particularly in relation to our midfield. Now the statistics were probably prepared in relation to the Cork game and they indicated a far better return from the Mayo midfield against Dublin than we have been getting. The remark was made that our midfield performance has been an issue since Donaghy was moved. I watched the Armagh match again on monday night and the amount of ball Tommy Griffin handled ,throughout the first half and up to the point of the second when he was subbed really surprised me. He handled it and drove forward with it far more than I had realised. You could argue that some of this was due to the role McGeeney was playing for Armagh, leaving Tommy more freedom but I'm not sure that carries a huge amount of water. Its a team game afterall and you need players capable of exploiting tactical options the opposition take and Tommy certainly did that on the day. I know theres been talk of Declan O'Sullivan pushing hard for a place for the final and the team certainly would not be weakened if he was included. Tommy is the most likely to lose out but, on the basis of the Armagh game, I don't see that happening. I think Declan will probably have to settle for a place on the bench...coming on in the second half hopefully, depending on how the forwards are doing.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2006 12:24:11 GMT
agree joxer,tommie does a huge amount of plugging away there in the middle,he goes through a huge amount of work without looking spectacular.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 6, 2006 13:14:05 GMT
Only glanced at this thread so I dont know if this has been brought up before. Big McGarrity lined out at wing forward on Tomas in last years 1/4 final and posed a lot of trouble on the wing. Would Mayo chance starting Billy Joe midfield in order to produce a similar result?
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2006 13:16:35 GMT
got a mention on page 6 buck02.
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Post by kerryman on Sept 6, 2006 13:19:36 GMT
David Brady or Billy Joe midfield maybe yeah.
Regarding Tommy Griffin - he's the new Donal Daly. Wins a lot of ball. Not great in the air, but you don't really need 2 glorious high fielders in there. You need a man to win the breaks and give a bit of continuity when taking the ball from the backs up front. He's also well able to get stuck in when the handbags are out.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2006 13:21:37 GMT
David Brady or Billy Joe midfield maybe yeah. Regarding Tommy Griffin - he's the new Donal Daly. Wins a lot of ball. Not great in the air, but you don't really need 2 glorious high fielders in there. You need a man to win the breaks and give a bit of continuity when taking the ball from the backs up front. He's also well able to get stuck in when the handbags are out. you mean kerryman,when things get cynical
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 6, 2006 13:34:57 GMT
If Jack wants to vary things, as has been suggested here, then bringing Declan in at centre half forward with Brosnan moving to midfield is the most likely option.
But that will change the dynamic of what the Kerry team have been working on. Brosnan will be far more inclined to get ball and drive straight out of midfield, with Declan working as a midfielder, almost dropping back as a 7th defender. You'd see less ball going out towards Sean O'Sullivan and Galvin on the wings, less diagonal ball into the corner forwards, and towards Donaghy.....
I can't see the team being changed but then Jack pulled a right trick out of his back pocket with Johnny Crowley two years ago.
Can somebody tell me how training is going etc? Usually one of ye has a third cousin twice removed who goes.....
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2006 13:56:53 GMT
unless he picks declan at midfield.
agree with stacks,brosnan on his day represents a far greater presence on the forty than dec.
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Post by kerryman99 on Sept 6, 2006 14:07:08 GMT
unless he picks declan at midfield. agree with stacks,brosnan on his day represents a far greater presence on the forty than dec. no doubt about that, i think ill be backing him for the first goal. when he is on his day, nobody better.
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Post by butchy on Sept 6, 2006 15:05:19 GMT
Brosnan is a forty man or nothing in my opinion at inter county level. I think he should start the final.
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Post by kerryman on Sept 6, 2006 16:13:17 GMT
I wouldn't change the team for the final. Tommy Griffin is definitely worth his place. Brosnan has scored 4 goals in 3 games so stays put. Declan has done very well as a sub in every game. he's won the fans back - good scores and winning frees all over the place. He's a terror of a man to put on a tiring back line.
Jack isn't going to start Declan at midfield. Doesnt' make an ounce of sence.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 6, 2006 16:27:15 GMT
Anybody give me odds on Declan at full forward with Donaghy at midfield?
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Post by Dermot on Sept 6, 2006 16:34:24 GMT
Anybody give me odds on Declan at full forward with Donaghy at midfield? Jasus Stacks, I wouldn't have see that one coming - I can see why it might actually make a bit of sense, but if JOC did it and you lost he'd be shot !
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 6, 2006 18:34:32 GMT
That's the risk the man would be taking but either Jack will play with the team he has chosen and pray Mayo don't have the necessary components to nullify Kerrys new found catch, kick and hope system or he'll do a Johnny Crowley on it from 2004.
One thing remains - in 2004 Jack O'Connor put in a strong aerial ball winning full forward because the Mayo backs were used to training against small full forwards. Now, Dillon and McDonald may vary it a bit, but two of the three forward line of 2004 are going to be in the forward line on Sunday week.....
And yes, I've changed since my post earlier asking about Declan at half forward, but some time to contemplate and a chat with a few knowledgeable people on this board have had me thinking a bit more.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2006 19:56:24 GMT
I wouldn't change the team for the final. Tommy Griffin is definitely worth his place. Brosnan has scored 4 goals in 3 games so stays put. Declan has done very well as a sub in every game. he's won the fans back - good scores and winning frees all over the place. He's a terror of a man to put on a tiring back line. Jack isn't going to start Declan at midfield. Doesnt' make an ounce of sence. does it make any less sence than the game dec has played for the last two or three years and playing at half back in last years final.
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Post by macdanger on Sept 7, 2006 0:55:25 GMT
"Would Mayo chance starting Billy Joe midfield in order to produce a similar result?"
Not a hope of Billie Joe playing at midfield, he'll be in the half forward line if he's fit. Despite having a pretty good year, he goes missing occasionally and young Kilcoyne or A Moran could push him for his spot. I'd expect to see BJP starting though.
As regards Donaghy, Mayo have the perfect training model for Heaney in McGarrity. I'm sure they'll practice a bit with McG in on the 14 yard line and work out something to counteract it. Gooch would be my biggest worry from the Kerry full forward line, if he cuts loose, he could destroy us again.
If T Mort is fit, he could also start with the possibility of L O'Malley coming in for Geraghty.
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Post by kerryeye on Sept 7, 2006 1:00:24 GMT
It'll be the same team,No reason to change it in my opinion.Declan has done very well in the last few games when brought on and will be a great option to be able to bring from the bench,as will Bryan and Darran,3 greats forwards who can all bring different qualities to the game if required.Theres no doubt if they were from mayo they'd be on the first 15,as would Eamonn Fitz and Mossie Lyons.I believe our strength in depth will be vital for us.
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Post by Jo90 on Sept 7, 2006 8:55:12 GMT
"have the perfect training model for Heaney in McGarrity. I'm sure they'll practice a bit with McG in on the 14 yard line and work out something to counteract it. Having a 6'5" player playing as a full-forward in training is overrated as a way to prepare for marking Donaghy as Derek Kavanagh will testify.
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Post by turnovers on Sept 7, 2006 9:20:36 GMT
watched the boys training in killarney last night. the 6 starting forward were. galvin declan sean gooch star mf
dara and tommy were midfield marked by sheehan and bros. cant see anyone stoping that full forward line. Remember back to 04 when declan took nallen to the cleaners
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Post by kerryman on Sept 7, 2006 11:00:22 GMT
watched the boys training in killarney last night. the 6 starting forward were. galvin declan sean gooch star mf dara and tommy were midfield marked by sheehan and bros. cant see anyone stoping that full forward line. Remember back to 04 when declan took nallen to the cleaners Interesting. That sounds like Sheehan will be benched (but is fit enough to train) with a battle for number 9 between Tommy and Brosnan. I really think changing the team would be madness at the moment, but as Kerrygold suggested earlier, sense doesn't always come into it.
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Post by seamus on Sept 7, 2006 11:16:01 GMT
Brosnan would be seriously unlucky not to start the final. I personally would be very annoyed over it. I started a thread about the captaincy issue and people told me to shut up. I am convinced that Jack wants Declan on the team to bring the cup to Dromid. If people want proof of this then look at the league and early rounds of the championship when he was really struggling and kept his place. Brosnan cannot play midfield and has done well enough at 11. Hopefully when the team is picked i will cool down a bit!!
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 7, 2006 11:22:05 GMT
Brosnan would be seriously unlucky not to start the final. I personally would be very annoyed over it. I started a thread about the captaincy issue and people told me to shut up. I am convinced that Jack wants Declan on the team to bring the cup to Dromid. If people want proof of this then look at the league and early rounds of the championship when he was really struggling and kept his place. Brosnan cannot play midfield and has done well enough at 11. Hopefully when the team is picked i will cool down a bit!! i fully agree,i think the team should be left alone as well,i will be very upset also if its changed. however i think joc will be looking for even the slightest ounce of creditability to start declan. i keep thinking of the dog salvating from the mouth looking at the tee bone steak resting on the kitchen table as the cooks back is turned.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 7, 2006 11:49:22 GMT
I'm still looking for odds on Declan to start by the way.....
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Post by Jo90 on Sept 7, 2006 11:53:54 GMT
I am convinced that Jack wants Declan on the team to bring the cup to Dromid. If people want proof of this then look at the league and early rounds of the championship when he was really struggling and kept his place. Jack O'Connor and his management team have gotten Kerry to 3 All-Ireland finals in a row losing only one meaningful game in that time and also winning 2 National Leagues. I don't think we should be making disparaging remarks especially when you consider that (a)The team hasn't been picked yet and (b)The final hasn't been played yet. There are around 19 players that you could have a case for making the starting 15. I personally would keep the same starting 15 and thus leaving Declan O'Sullivan as an impact sub, but the way he has reacted to being dropped has been immense and his substitute performances in the last 2 games has also been very good so I certainly wouldn't begrudge him a starting place although I would have great sympathy for whoever lost out instead.
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Post by laddo on Sept 7, 2006 11:55:22 GMT
It's all well and good saying Declan should start or brosnan should start without knowing how they're going in training... Turnovers, as you were there you should have some idea of how they're going... Bros was playing well up til the semi-final where he was very quiet... Declan destroyed Nallen in '04 but it remains to be seen if he has fully regained that form although he has been improving over the last few outings... Tough one to call me thinks!!
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