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Post by homerj on Aug 27, 2006 16:38:34 GMT
well now we know, its Kerry V Mayo, 3 weeks and counting!
let the games begin.
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Post by deco on Aug 27, 2006 16:44:40 GMT
at least it may be a small bit easier to get tickets that its mayo. some game. mayo will be no push overs.
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Post by ciarrai33 on Aug 27, 2006 16:46:50 GMT
Well if we think that this current crop of Mayo players are gonna bottle anything then we are in big trouble. They have scrapped to the end of each of their games so far. And to recover from two goals today and losing Mcgarrity shows great character.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 27, 2006 16:51:02 GMT
Aghhhhhhhhhhhh. Really wanted to play Dublin.
But congratulations to Mayo. They were incredible today in a fantastic match.
Mayo are fit, incredibly fit and getting fitter as the season goes on. They have huge belief as well and really proved themselves when coming back from seven points down. The backroom man in Mayo has a hoodoo over Kerry.
Mayo should be favourites for this - they gave an incredible performance. We've only put 20 minutes together against a tiring Armagh team.
But still, was hoping I'd be flying home for a Dublin v Kerry All Ireland.
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Post by KerryLad on Aug 27, 2006 17:03:10 GMT
absolutely delighted. think we'll get a really good game from mayo. they battled back so well today. its gonna be alot easier for tickets now.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 27, 2006 17:50:22 GMT
I would love to see Mayo win an All Ireland but they keeping getting to the final the year that Kerry are in it..............
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Post by nicoshea on Aug 27, 2006 17:59:10 GMT
will be a great match, but dont think tickets will be too much easier to get, mayo are going to travel to play us, they want to get revenge for all the times when kerry have beaten them in the finals.... defo not easy to get, and been in cork is going to make it harder, cant even queue up here for tickets.............. going with or without tickets, the atmosphere will be electric
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Post by ciarrai33 on Aug 27, 2006 18:00:57 GMT
Just thinking about jerseys for the final. Mayo played in red in 2004 (i think they thought they were lucky), is there a chance that Kerry will have to play is different colours for the final???
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 27, 2006 18:13:34 GMT
This could be a classic,a lot of kerry players will have to play out of their skins and peak on the day to win.Mayo wont lie down and will be looking to put to bed 55 years of hurt.
The kerry team will have to be right going into the final.
Mayo will nearly be favourites now,seeing the way they demolished dublins seven point lead.
It could be a really great final,something to look forward too.
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Post by bannerman on Aug 27, 2006 19:10:02 GMT
The back room man your on about is John Morrison I presume. He was with tyrone last year and he is an absolute genius he will know what time the kerry players get up to what they eat for breakfast to what time they go to bed..... he will leave no stone unturned!!! As for the final itself..... I would have my reservations about us winning. Mayo are a serious outfit and have the motivation of 2004 while some will have further motivation from 1997.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 27, 2006 19:23:41 GMT
The high ball into Donaghy may not work as well against Mayos full back line as it would have worked against Dublins.
My neighbour is a Mayo man and he told me last week that he wanted Dublin to beat Mayo because at 60 years of ago he could not take another defeat in a final and he wanted to know when would Kerry get sick of winning it. I told him that in Kerry the next one is what matters. He was 5 when mayo won it last and he has no recollection of it. I pointed out to him that Donaghy has no medal..........
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Post by neil on Aug 27, 2006 21:29:04 GMT
Paddy Power has Kerry at 2/7 and Mayo at 3/1 A few quid on Mayo at that price me thinks. Makes it a win-win situation, still be hoping for a Kerry win of course!
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Post by smallball on Aug 27, 2006 21:40:50 GMT
I would love to see Mayo win an All Ireland but they keeping getting to the final the year that Kerry are in it.............. Feel exactly the same MM. It they were playing anyone one else i'd be hoping they would win.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2006 23:27:24 GMT
We're still the best team Mayo will play this year. Dublin had a glass jaw. The fact that they beat Dublin without McGarrity is a tad worrying but I still think we'll do it. MM and smallball, Mayo full back line have yet to deal with anyone like Donaghy!
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Post by una on Aug 27, 2006 23:36:24 GMT
So disappointed after today.would have loved to meet and beat the Dubs.just proves how over hyped the Dubs are.well done to Mayo,great game.Would love to see McDonald and co win A1medal but not at our expense.After beating Armagh and getting revenge on the rebels its time to finish the job!! Ciarrai Abu
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 27, 2006 23:49:49 GMT
The addition of Moynihan, O Se and Donaghy since 2004 gives me optimism but a lot of the Mayo players have improved since then particularly Mortimer. Tom O'Sullivan had an absolute stormer on him that day, so hopefully he can do it again. The worry is what to do about McDonald. Perhaps Aidan O'Mahony on him and when he goes very deep, have Galvin helping out. If Kerry win, it would be a repeat of 2004 - beating Galway in the League Final and Mayo in the All-Ireland final. No number 13 has ever captained a team to an All-Ireland apparently - maybe Gooch should wear number 14!!!
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Post by seamus on Aug 28, 2006 7:42:07 GMT
My gut feeling is that Mahoney will pick up McDonald although they tend to put Marc on any player who wanders out the field. Here's a thought: Eamonn Fitz totally wiped him out in 2004 by just going man to man on him. Did'nt try to play much ball but closed him down at every opportunity.
Mayo are superbly fit but have a few weaknesses: 1. Not convinced about Geraghty at corner back. High ball to the gooch or mfr there please! 2. Nallen was a disaster at centre back the last day 3. Dillon and Mortimer are the main scoring threats and i think we could close them out. 4. I rate Heaney big time but i don't think he can handle donaghy. Also i think MFR and Gooch will be too cute for higgins and geraghty.
However, Mayo are very strong midfield and we may have to bring Donaghy out at some stage to negate them there which would weaken our hand inside. Brosnan has to start now in my view to exploit Nallen's lack of place in the middle of their defence. Their fitness is definitely higher than ours as well.
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Post by Joxer on Aug 28, 2006 7:57:37 GMT
Does anyone know how Bryan Sheehans recovery is going? Will he be available for selection for the final?
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Post by KY50 on Aug 28, 2006 8:10:06 GMT
Mayo should really be favourites going into this one. They have been on an upward slope since the drawn game with laois. They have already dealt with the 6 5" full forward- Noel Garvan without too much bother in the replay. Garvan scored 3 points in the drawn game but was completely marked out of in the next match. Mayo have already beaten Kerry in Tralee this year in the league, an excellent game at very high pace.
Somebody asked me before the game yesterday how many Dublin players would get on the Mayo team. We struggled past 3 players. This Mayo outfit are a serious team. In 2004 they were going backwards after their quarter final win over Tyrone, this time they are going in the opposite direction. They have much more football than Dublin and will be very difficult to beat with their high fitness levels. We really have our work cut out for us. Kerry will also be hyped up by media who want Mayo to Win in the hope that they will cave in like Dublin.
Overall we really have our work cut out in this one. From 1 to 12 this Mayo team are as good as Cork, better than Armagh and Dublin. From 13 to 15 they are better than Cork, and the Dubs.
Lets not get complacent. This will be a great Final
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Post by KY50 on Aug 28, 2006 8:58:38 GMT
Interesting interview with Conor Mortimor. This Mayo team appear to be really focused
Half an hour after a key role in one of the best games in living memory, he was wearing the kind of poker face that would be the envy of many a Las Vegas card shark.
“There’s no point running and jumping around the place,” he said, matter-of-factly.
“We haven’t won anything. You can’t just say anything just because you’ve beaten Dublin. Dublin are just like Laois, Offaly, Galway. They’re just another team. Unless you win a cup at the end of the game you can celebrate, but we’ve nothing to celebrate now.”
Given Mayo’s recent past with national finals, his lack of exuberance is understandable. September has promised Mayo much and delivered little; the fact it is their tormentors from 2004 awaiting them next month puts everything in perspective.
“Look it, there’s a 50/50 chance we can win the final. There’s no point saying any different, regardless of who we’re playing in the final. We’ll be hoping we don’t lose it as we have in 2004, ‘97 and ‘96. None of those Mayo teams wanted to lose either but that happens on the day.
“God isn’t going to come down and win you an All-Ireland. You have to do it yourself. Things have to go right for you on the day. They went right for us today. We got a goal when we needed it. David Clarke got up and punched a ‘50’ that was going over the bar. These things are just the bit of luck you can get.”
Any luck that came their way yesterday was earned with sweat. With 25 minutes to play and seven points down, they never threw in the towel.
With Mickey Moran and John Morrison holding the reins this year, the temptation is to say that some northern grit is the difference. Morrison says it’s Connacht grit that turned the tide. Either way, this must surely rank as the best Mayo performance for donkey’s years.
Said Mortimer: “We showed great character to come back. We showed great belief in each other to come back. Maybe a couple of years ago, when we would have gone five or six points down, even myself — I would have said: ‘F**k this, we’re gone. The same thing is happening to us.’ This team is different.
“We’re all capable footballers. We wouldn’t be there if we weren’t. I think personally we’ve cemented together more than in the last few years. Everyone has been pulling together in the one direction — management and players. I wouldn’t say it’s down to Mickey (Moran) alone, it’s the goal.
“Once you make the quarter-finals and all the Ulster teams are gone, you think you have a great chance because that’s the first year that the Ulster teams are gone early. But saying that, one of the greats are there in the final still.
“I just think we played well when we needed to. They went six points up and we just kept the heads down, kept plugging away. We got the points and got ourselves back into the game. That’s what won it.”
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 28, 2006 9:42:19 GMT
i was thinking the same seamus as regards fitzmaurice and brosnan.
this is a game we will need brosnan driving forward flat out,nallen is starting to show the signs of wear and tear.
i though heaney,rather surprisingly looked a bit suspect under the high ball yesterday,he was emense on the ground though,it will be a huge test for donaghy.
i think this will be a game our backs could win for us,they will have to be hugely on their toes for the final.
this will be a huge test for kerry,we will need at least 10 players peaking on the day to win.
the burning question though is,how good actually are dublin,there a team i dont rate especially ciaran whelan.
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Post by kerryman on Aug 28, 2006 9:55:44 GMT
I've a feeling Kerry might turn this into a dogfight (I hope we don't though). It'll be tough to beat them playing champagne football.
Marc for McDonald and Mahoney on Alan Dillon. Tom Sullivan for Mortimer again. We'll probably try and crowd midfield with Moynihan and Galvin getting in there.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 28, 2006 9:59:48 GMT
i think the game can be won by kerry from no.2 to n0.9.
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Post by butchy on Aug 28, 2006 10:40:22 GMT
i think the game can be won by kerry from no 13 to no 15. Can't see that mayo full back line holding the 3 boys. I mean how long was higgins left on brogan. Shows they don't have much there.
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Post by animal on Aug 28, 2006 11:07:46 GMT
I thing Nallen is deffo showing signs of wear and tear. I'd love to see Brosnan on him. Can't see Mayo coping too well with high ball either. They are much improved from '04 but this is still ours to lose. I really think that if we play well on the day we'll do it. Also I can see Kerry being very physical on McGarrrity. They completely overpowered him in 04 and that was without Darragh. Whats the latest on B. Sheehan?
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Post by BIGMAC on Aug 28, 2006 11:21:00 GMT
2 vital things that mayo have at the moment are hunger and desire add this to the team ethic them seem to have and this could prove fatal if u lot underestimate them,throw in the revenge fact for 04 and ur goin to have a battle royale in 3 weeks time.its goin to be a classic
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Post by KY50 on Aug 28, 2006 11:48:58 GMT
Agree with your comments Bigmac. We should take note
Animal I detect overconfidence already. Remember 1996. There was no way we were going to lose to Mayo.Also 2002, 2003, and 2005.Overconfidence played a part in losing those matches as well as being beaten by better teams on the day
Animal wrote " thing Nallen is deffo showing signs of wear and tear. I'd love to see Brosnan on him. Can't see Mayo coping too well with high ball either. They are much improved from '04 but this is still ours to lose. I really think that if we play well on the day we'll do it. Also I can see Kerry being very physical on McGarrrity. They completely overpowered him in 04 and that was without Darragh."
Remember Mayo have come on a lot. Do not underestimate them or we will have egg all over our faces
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 28, 2006 11:53:13 GMT
2 vital things that mayo have at the moment are hunger and desire add this to the team ethic them seem to have and this could prove fatal if u lot underestimate them,throw in the revenge fact for 04 and ur goin to have a battle royale in 3 weeks time.its goin to be a classic 100% accurate bigmac.
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Post by animal on Aug 28, 2006 12:07:53 GMT
Agree with your comments Bigmac. We should take note Animal I detect overconfidence already. Remember 1996. There was no way we were going to lose to Mayo.Also 2002, 2003, and 2005.Overconfidence played a part in losing those matches as well as being beaten by better teams on the day Animal wrote " thing Nallen is deffo showing signs of wear and tear. I'd love to see Brosnan on him. Can't see Mayo coping too well with high ball either. They are much improved from '04 but this is still ours to lose. I really think that if we play well on the day we'll do it. Also I can see Kerry being very physical on McGarrrity. They completely overpowered him in 04 and that was without Darragh." Remember Mayo have come on a lot. Do not underestimate them or we will have egg all over our faces I'm not over confident at all. It was a positive post which if you read again is hard to argue against. Of course I've my doubts in other sectors. Our full back line is still suspect. Tom Sullivan's form has been so-so and I'm not sure he could do a repeat on Mortimer given both players' form this year. Fitzmaurice is unlikely to start and his marshalling of McDonald was crucial in 04. I was impressed by Pat Harte and how he came into the game once Mayo lost McGarrity. I remember 1996 very clearly. Was high in the Cusack Stand. Awful day but there are very few similarities between then and now. I still maintain that if we play to our potential especially for close on 70mins we will win the all ireland.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 28, 2006 14:06:43 GMT
Had a chat with somebody here by PM this morning. Same thoughts apply really. I'm never optimistic ahead of an All Ireland. Don't know why but anyway.
Setanta went up and down yesterday on the laptop during the game so I'm going to hold full judgement until I watch it on tv tonight with their digitial American service we get down here. Great stuff.
But from what I saw, and heard (Michael O'Muircheartaigh), a few things struck me.
Mayo do more handpassing than anyone. Including Kerry of the past few years (until we put Star in full forward). If your defense is water tight and hunting as we did against Armagh, the handpassing game will not give you the ability to play the fast game you hope to play. Dublin were, in my mind anyway, very naive at times, and gave Mayo too much space to play that kind of game.
Dublin hit the odd high ball in. Now, they don't have a big full forward, but still Mayo looked suspect under it, especially their two corner backs.
Dublins weakness was exposed. Mayo ran at Cullen and the half back line all day. Fair dues to them. The best way for us to expose Mayo is to play the game we're playing. Mayo are playing a variation on the Armagh / Tyrone model with one exception - they don't do long balls into their full forward line as much as Armagh ala Clarke / McDonnell. They have a huge work ethic, but if you've brought the ball forward twenty yards and you see the ball going over your head, you're not going to get back to your man. This is the way of John Morrisson who's been central to the Northern Revolution. Expect Mayo to start working on longer, fast ball as a delivery method. They know Kerry are weak under the high ball as we knew they would be in 2004.
I worry for one reason. That Mayo performance was Armagh minus the cynicism (except running into the Hill. Blah blah blah. Don't do it. It's childish - oh and was it Brady going down with cramp!!). Morrisson has a hex over Kerry. That was his performance out there yesterday. He alone is the man that can plot our loss.
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