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Post by kerrygold on Aug 28, 2006 14:42:38 GMT
our backs form will have a big bearing on this one,who are their main scoring threats?
mortimor,dillion,ger brady and to a lesser extent mcdonald.
if we hold mortimor and dillion the rest will struggle.
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Post by watchdahop on Aug 28, 2006 14:47:54 GMT
Phew I am glad there is a note of caution about Mayo. I think they will ask a lot of questions of us at Midfield where they are very good they will try and expose our full back line and I expect Ger Brady to try and run at us all day long. McDonald's left leg could open a tin not to mind our defence!! I expect us to try and test their full back line and do a specialist marking job on McDonald and Mortimer. I think facing the dubs would be less dangerous than Mayo. They can come into the final as under dogs and very confident....... Hopefully Mayo can take the favourites tag from us!!
I wonder if we will bring back Leo Griffin for the final: that pre match kickaround is no place for faint hearted back room staff!!
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Post by butchy on Aug 28, 2006 14:50:57 GMT
If Kerry play to there potential there is nothing Mayo can do to stop us. NOTHING !!
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Post by watchdahop on Aug 28, 2006 14:55:18 GMT
If Kerry play to there potential there is nothing Mayo can do to stop us. NOTHING !! So much for the note of caution.........!!! ;D
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 28, 2006 15:37:01 GMT
Mayo's forwards are playing out of their skin and probably are the most cohesive unit in the country at the moment. Kerry have better individuals but not a better team. The way the kerry backs are playing at the moment the mayo forwards will fancy their chances of putting one over the kingdom.
I thinks this might actually be a game for moving star around the place and not planking him inside in full forward. Mayo dont play the blanket defence so there should be more room for the gooch and MFR to display their wares inside. Moving star a little further out the field maybe to play in between the 21 and the 40 would be more benifit. He could move in and out from the 14 to this position. I presume Mickey moran will have noted how effective moving a sweeper back in front of him when mcgeeney did it but kerry only cut loose when he tired.
If there are two men marking star further out the field cooper and russell can go one on one inside. The mayo corner backs are there for te taking I think.
Midfield will be fine but mcgarrity is a fine player and not just a converted bballer and is a way more mobile than darragh. I can see brosnan going to midfield and griffin getting the bullet. Letting dec sull come back in at the centre. I know Ive criticsed him but hes playing well again and hes ball carrying could be needed against mayo. The game seemed very open yesterday and brogan caused havoc when running with the ball.
Kerrys defence is fine its just the matchups need to be perfect. I'd be in favour of letting tomas o se pick up mcdonald. Tomas is good going forward and has a good eye for a pass. Marc can pick up dillon and let o mahony in the full backline with him picking up mortimer. hes strenngth might throw him off.
One point to note. We dont really knioow how good mayo are as i believe they beat what is essentially a poor dublin team.
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Post by butchy on Aug 28, 2006 15:54:04 GMT
Would you not agree with what i said watchdahop ?? I'm not saying it will be a cake walk for Kerry. All I'm saying is that if Kerry play to there full powers Mayo will just have no answers no matter what they do
I agree with Lolly on a fews points: The mayo corner backs there for the taking. I would leave star inside cause Heaney as well as he played yesterday he still struggled under the high ball. I would also leave Brosnan at 11 (his best and only position in my opinion) cause his direct running will have Nallen in big trouble.
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Post by watchdahop on Aug 28, 2006 16:13:03 GMT
Fair enough Butchy but I just dont want Kerry to fall into the trap that Dublin might have fallen into: over confidence I think Kerry will need to play their absolute best to beat Mayo who I think can cause us problems in a lot of areas Also we have only turned it on in a big way in the second half against Armagh so far this year. and even that day we needed the luck involved in Darrens goal to seal the win. So yes if Kerry play to their full potential they should win its just that we haven't seen their full potential a lot this year.
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Post by watchdahop on Aug 28, 2006 16:20:58 GMT
Also think it wont be as straight forward as saying Kerry will run at Nallen and Mayo with Brady will run at Seamus. Look at what happened with Cork they put in McCarthy to run at Seamus but Seamus was out on the wing taking care of Sean O'Brien and look how that turned out. There will be a lot of chessboards out in Kerry and Mayo trying to make out the moves for this one!!
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Post by puckaroo on Aug 28, 2006 16:57:39 GMT
One thing for sure is that it's building up to be a mighty game and Mickey Moran will have his homework done! It will be Kerry's game to lose over 70mins!
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Post by duaghexile on Aug 28, 2006 18:03:29 GMT
i just can't see Kerry taking Mayo seriously enough. Don't matter what anyone says. motivation is going to be a problem.
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Post by JOAN on Aug 28, 2006 18:49:08 GMT
I disagree with you duaghexile. I think it will be the other way around. I feel that Kerry will be a bit wary of Mayo and will be prepped for them. Like a post said earlier it will be ours to loose cant see the lads leaving it behind or the back room not getting them ready mentally
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 28, 2006 19:02:56 GMT
I agree with earlier comments there is no room for complacency and particularly with (watchdahop) midfield is going to be the key battle. While I know we have Dara (huge plus) I would feel more secure about this game if Willy Kirby was still involved. He is a big loss in my opinion to this Kerry team particularly for his performances in big games and especially against Mayo in 97 and 04. Having said that we have been warned accordingly about the strengths of this Mayo team and I’m sure Jack and lads will have their strategy well worked out for them.
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Post by kerryeye on Aug 28, 2006 19:25:46 GMT
i just can't see Kerry taking Mayo seriously enough. Don't matter what anyone says. motivation is going to be a problem. What?Motivation a problem,dont think so,it doesnt matter who your playin,the motivation is the Celtic Cross waitin for you when you win.If kerry were playin New York they would be just as motivated and focussed and to say that motivation will be a problem is rubbish.
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Post by homerj on Aug 28, 2006 20:47:23 GMT
i just can't see Kerry taking Mayo seriously enough. Don't matter what anyone says. motivation is going to be a problem. motivation?? try the memory of walking off the field last year with 30,000 tyrone fans screaming and shouting, not to mention 2002. motivation will not be a problem, do you think they were not motivated to beat armagh and cork for one reason, to win the all ireland?
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Post by sixtyseven on Aug 29, 2006 0:06:17 GMT
The dubs were playing in their home town and that always helps them. But it doesn't necessarily make them any good. Yet they could have won on Sunday if certain things had gone differently and what does that say about Mayo?
Mayo have a lot of hunger and some clever strategists in the camp but I don't know if this will take them all the way....some of the quotes from both players and management over the summer highlight how desperate they are about their philosophy. They can believe something all day long but it still might not be true. It won't guarantee them an All-Ireland and should they fail they will be absolutely heartbroken.
Individually and collectively Kerry have been all about raw defiance these past few weeks. Mayo have been defiant too but their attitude is more of a 'can-do' one. It promises to be one hell of a collision between Kerry's will and Mayo's belief but if we can manage to get them to question their beliefs they might well start to crumble. Hopefully anyway.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 29, 2006 3:37:57 GMT
A thread appeard earlier here asking if the rumour about Donaghys jaw being broken in training were true, since Ray Silke is on record as saying it earlier this evening. But it's gone now. For those of us away from home, any clarification on the story would be great.
I've just noticed on the early edition of The Irish Times on the web that there is a story about Mark Vaughans cheekbone being broken by some fella in a nightclub on Sunday night. Did Ray Silke hear the combination of a Mark Vaughan story and some rumour from home and make 5 with 2 + 2?
Answers on a postcard please.
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Post by macdanger on Aug 29, 2006 4:00:50 GMT
Can't wait for the final lads.
Kerry are favorites in Cashmans and rightly so although 11/4 for mayo is pretty good odds.
We have a lot to play for this time around though, the pasting we took against ye in 04 and again last year is still fresh in the memory. We have a much better run-in though than in 04 when we peaked against Tyrone and never reached that level again. Each game has been progressively harder this year and needless to say Kerry will be a lot harder and much more clinical than the dubs.
As regards our two corner backs, I wouldn't worry about K Higgins at all, he's a class player even though Brogan skinned him on Sunday. Geraghty on the other hand could be a bit of a worry. He has been under pressure at various stages in the championship so far but has fought back to hold his place. Liam O'Malley could replace him though if he's fit. The two battles here will be crucial to the winning of the game.
Heaney could struggle against Donaghy, but i'd hope that Mayo will have prepared for that one in training and devised something to counteract his influence.
The two wing backs Higgins & Gardiner should break even anyway but i'd be worried enough about Nallen, he's getting on and it's beginning to show. Hopefully there's one more big game left in the tank.
At midfield young harte has been a revelation this year and mcgarrity although i'd often criticise him for being a bit loathe to get stuck in has been having a good year. If they can break even here, we're in with a chance.
The half forward line has been improving all the time - G Brady played his best game so far for mayo on sunday and we'll need another big performance from him in 3 weeks time.
Dilllon has had a great year and if mayo win he'll be in the running for player fo the year. Billie joe was poor enough on sunday, but his workrate will be very important against a more physical kerry team.
Up front Mort needs to have a big game, he's played well all year but has been missing a couple of scorable chances at the same time. He needs to be spot on in the final and get 7-8 for us to have a chance. Doubtful that kerry will allow him much space though and the sympathy of the ref could be a big factor there.
MacD needs to have a huge game too. Played well against the dubs and worked really hard, can score when he wants to and will need to be at his best against either M O'S or T O'S.
The last CF spot is up for grabs and will probably go to O'Neill, A O'Malley (if fit) or T Mort (if fit). whoever plays needs to stump up 2-3 points from play.
We could struggle to score a goal and if we're as open at the back as we were against dublin, MFR and Gooch will bang in goals for fun. We had a good few strokes of luck on sunday when all the balls seemed to bounce our way but we won't always get that.
We have some good subs on the bench and if Moran uses them to as good effect as previously we'll be in with a chance.
Roll on sept 17th........
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Post by butchy on Aug 29, 2006 9:26:32 GMT
Spot on kerrynorth !!
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Post by Joxer on Aug 29, 2006 9:33:10 GMT
Well Silke had to divert attention from his total write-off of Mayo...classic bit of diversionary tactics instead of having ther good grace to accept his 'dislike' of Mayo had totally clouded his pre-match analysis.
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Post by mangler on Aug 29, 2006 9:39:44 GMT
The Dubs have not impressed me at all, Mayo are dangerous in a tight game though. But they have come through the easier side. Kerry really impressed with that win over Armagh. I backed Kerry to win at the start of the year and I stick by that.
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Post by kerrywoman on Aug 29, 2006 15:36:31 GMT
Have to close down mini mortimer he is a bit predicable has to go on the left - o mahony should sort him out, Midfield would be my worry not sure about Tommy Griffin, Mayo are not the team of old new confidence instilled in them by Micky Moran it will be a hard one but hopefully we will do the business
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 30, 2006 7:58:17 GMT
yerra let them off,theres only one way to answer that,grab the kick out,drive it back in to star, off load to the gooch and stick it past him into the net.
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Post by Joxer on Aug 30, 2006 8:57:11 GMT
At last, someone talking sense! amidst all the bull* of arguments over the captaincy and dubs crying into their beer, I like that post Kerrygold. Its the only way to answer all the cynical crap being bandied about. Hope we implement that tactic a few times!!
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Post by noreenos on Aug 30, 2006 15:47:32 GMT
Hey There lads,
surprised that most of you on this forum had written off Mayo against Dublin. Joan and myself with a couple of others were the only members who gave Mayo a chance in this game. I'm very surprised with that lads, because Joan and I are out of the country and maybe cannot see all the games as much as you are! What I think we might be better off doing is debating as to how we can beat that Mayo team. They are definately mentally fit and according to some of you lads here, physically fit also. Kerry are also physically fit, but how is their mental state. The big question for me is Would Kerry come back when they are down 7 points against Dublin? This is the big question for me. It takes a great team spirit, great mental training, great determination, great hunger to be able to turn the game around. I believe in Kerry to win the All-Ireland. Don't get me wrong. We have the forwards in there who can score. They need to pull off more points against Mayo then they did against Cork. The gooch will have to do much better than 2 points. They are all capable of scoring big time-and this is now the time to do it. Kerry have the habit of being up four or five points and then taking it easy, sitting back for a while. Can't do that against Mayo lads. The way I see it , it is the forwards will have to perform much better than they have been all six of them. Each of them needs to socre and score big. When they are finished doing that-bring up Tomas and Moynigan to get a few more to finish it off.
We can beat them.
Any comments lads.
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Post by ruralgaa on Aug 30, 2006 16:06:29 GMT
Sheehan back in training Kerry’s Bryan Sheehan 30 August 2006
Kerry’s options for the All-Ireland final have been increased with the news that Bryan Sheehan made a successful return to training on Monday night.
The South Kerry man, who is Kerry’s top scorer in this year’s championship, was ruled out of the semi-final meeting with Cork after he suffered ankle ligament damage in a club U21 match.
It was initially thought the player had broken his ankle but following an X-ray it was discovered that he had ligament damage.
The ace free taker has undergone intense physiotherapy over the past four weeks and after some light running work was able to resume training with the remainder of the Kingdom squad.
It is not thought that Sheehan will be able to force his way into the starting fifteen or the clash with Mayo but it is likely that he will be used as a substitute if he can prove his full fitness.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 30, 2006 17:57:34 GMT
I will admit I was one who thought Mayo would get beat - I'm glad they won and they showed great spirit in doing it............... The BIG question is "can they rise to those levels again" ............ I think they will need to if they are going to have any chance of beating you (Kerry). I fear however that they will loose the plot again as in 04.
They have the team to do it if they click and I'm sure most of you would want them to win the AI if you weren't in it - I'm the same, I hope they win it but I fear they will wilt again !
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Post by cmarty on Aug 30, 2006 19:19:07 GMT
Well folks, after being recommended this site by a friend i have become somewhat of an addict. However only now that my native Mayo have reached the all-ireland final did I feel it neccessary to actually join up and post some comments. I apologise now for the length of this one.
I personally cannot wait for September 17th, I think it is going to be a massive game of football, there is no bad history between these two teams (ive forgiven ye all for the pain of 97 and 04) so its not like its going to be a grudge game or anything. I dont think the mayo team will focus too much on this idea of getting revenge for 2004, we were hammered off the pitch that day fair and square, playing up to the revenge idea is only going to suit Kerry. I am also not going to write about where I think your weaknesses are (il post them on the mayo message boards!), instead il focus on my own team and the problems we can cause Kerry, and id be interested to hear your responses and where you see Kerry winning this game from.
This Mayo team is as strong as any ive seen before, we now have Clarke back in goals and he has definitely added confidence to our full back line, hes good in the air, not afraid to come out off his line and has a massive kickout. Heaney & Nallen are very experienced players, while Heaney will come up against his toughest opponent to-date in Donaghy at least hes had some experience of this against the 6' 5" Garvan. Nallen is a big worry for me, he will definitely start, because Mayo will need that experience in the opening 20 minutes, but it is hard to see him lasting longer then 50 minutes, that could be even less depending on who he is marking, I cant see him playing the McGeeney role of playing on front of Donaghy because Kerry have already seen that, my view on Nallen is dont play him to last 70 mins, let him do a job on a player for as long as hes able for it then take him off.
Im expecting huge games from our corner backs, Geraghty got roasted by D Breenan in the drawn game but has been playing great since, K Higgins got his lesson Sunday on Brogan and will learn from it. Dont know who there gonna pick up, MF or Gooch, but neither is in for an easy day. Back-up for either of these is the fit-again Liam O'Malley, who would be a starter if fully fit.
Half back line of Aidan Higgins and Gardiner, need to play out of their skin, id like to see Higgins mark Brosnan, but then either Gardiner/Nallen has to mark Galvin, a tough job, I can see him causing us major trouble, he works his socks off during a game and a lot of his off the ball work goes unnoticed. Gardiner also needs to get his confidence up and shoot for scores when he gets a chance, twice on Sunday he barrelled up the pitch only to lay the ball off each time to a forward in a worse postion, and both of them resulted in wides.
Midfield is where Mayo have their best chance of influencing the game, McGarrity will relish the task of marking O'Se, he has a great catch and is able to win a lot of clean ball, and more importantly use it wisely. Harte has been a revelation there as well for us, does a mountain of work around the middle, picking up breaks, provides a link between the backs and forwards, and when he gets the chance is not afraid to drive forward with the ball.
In our half forward line we have Alan Dillon playing the best seaon of his career, he is surprsingly strong for someone his size, very fast, very skillful, not afraid to shoot for points, and most importantly when he gets a ball into his chest his first instinct is NOT to look for McDonald, he will take the man on himself if needs be, or let a fast ball into our full forward line. He will be a handful for any of your half backs. Other wing im not sure who will start, Billie joe or Kilcoyne, Kilcoyne who came on against laois in the first game played excellent and scored a sweet point to bring us within a point of laois. On sunday he got a power of work done when he came on as well. For about 8-10 minutes he won every break in the middle, and each time he ran at the dublin defence and caused them trouble. Billie Joe on the other hand is a tireless worker, our own non-scoring version of paul galvin, theres advantages in playing both, i think Kilcoyne probably deserves to start, but its hard to see Billie Joe having an impact if brought on, so he gets the nod to start. Ger Brady finally starting showing his potential on Sunday, hoping it wasnt just a flash in the pan, he knows what he needs to do is get the ball in hand and run at defences, he effectively forced Cullen to actually do what centre backs must do on Sunday, mark their man, Brady's involvement can depend a lot on where McDonald positions himself, if he plays deep, he gets all the ball brady should be getting and effectively cancels brady out of the game.
Our full forward line needs to do another big job, we will need Conor Mortimer to give us at least 5-7 points, he has definitely come on a lot this year, the training in DCU has made him a lot stronger on the ball, and he has been scoring some great points. Biggest improvement I have seen from him, is his ability to win 50/50 ball and he works a lot harder for the ball now, last 2 years if it wasnt into his chest he just wasnt interested. For a classy corner forward though he really lacks the killer instinct for goal that the likes of the Gooch has. Other corner Keven O'Neill should be starting, he has a dummy on his left foot that hes been using for the last 15 years without fail, hes a classy player, great for scores, and links very well with McDonald for shorter passes. If he wins ball he will generate scores, either off his own left boot or Mortimers.
Last but not least we have Ciaran McDanger...his contribution to the game could well win or lose it for us. First half last Sunday he played very well, winning ball & creating scores. But he has this compulsion, when midfield isnt winning ball, to drop deeper and deeper into the Mayo half, at one point last Sunday a dublin shot went across the mayo goal and the two lads chasing it into the corner were mossy Quinn and McDonald. Every team knows he does this, so its only a matter of time before he gets punished for it, by sending an attacking defender out the field after him. As well as this he slows down the play to a crawl, mayo break fast, McDonald demanding the ball in midfield means we give the defence a chance to find their man while he solos the ball and runs across the middle. Dont get me wrong, I think the man is brilliant, sideline kicks, 40 yard passes straight into your hands, but if he could all this from inside the kerry half rather then from inside the mayo half we would get a lot more scores. The winning point against Dublin was pure class, he bust a gut to get on the end of that ball and then struck it as sweet as you could to put it over the bar. Im expecting a massive game from McDonald and some master scores from play, if he stays on the kerry goal side of the 50 for 70 mins he can deliver for us.
Overall I think were able to match Kerry on the field, you can forget about Mayo collapsing like in 2004, not going to happen, if we go down it will be with a fight. I expect it to be a tight game, that could go all the way to the wire, hopefully Mayo's games so far in the championship will stand to us then. Kerry will definitely have dominant patches, and they will most definitely profit from them, if they were to go 7 points up we would find it extremely hard to pull that back, but so will Mayo have patches and if we make the most of these we will be right there at the end of the game.
Im glad its Kerry were up against in the final, if your going to be all-ireland champions you have to be able to beat the best of Ireland, and Kerry are in my opinion the best team around today.
So thats my view in a nutshell, apologise again for the length, said id get it all out in one go instead of bits here and there.
Best of luck on the 17th...UP MAYO
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 30, 2006 19:27:39 GMT
good post cmarty,your on the ball.
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Post by Riocht on Aug 30, 2006 20:49:01 GMT
Noreenoes - I never wrote Mayo out! (Against Dublin) Más ea anois "Ciarraí go Deo agus ná bac le Maigh Eo"
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Post by macdanger on Aug 30, 2006 23:32:40 GMT
Good post there cmarty, I agree that our biggest weaknesses are in the full back line and at CHB. I'd expect Heaney to deal with Donaghy though considering he knows what's coming. K Higgins is a good enough player to recover from last weekends poor showing. How Geraghty and Nallen perform will be the deciding factor in the game for me. If both can play well we can win, otherwise we'll be hard pushed.
I'd expect our midfield to break even and our forwards to score 14-17 points which should have them there or thereabouts. Lack of a goalscorer is a big worry, we'll probably need one at least to win.
I'd like to see billie joe playing, he brings a lot of energy and toughness to the half forward line which will be important early on to give us a good share of the breaks.
Looking forward to a good game and def not a repeat of 04.....
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