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Post by noreenos on Aug 31, 2006 3:56:07 GMT
Riocht, O.K. then there was three maybe that didn't write Mayo off against Dublin. Did you have any other comments about the All-Ireland at all and the outcome. I'm very interested to know how you see it played out.
I'd love to see Marc O Sé moved out to the wing! Anyone agree?
regards Ciarrai go doe!
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Post by ruralgaa on Aug 31, 2006 11:19:25 GMT
No open training session for Mayo Mayo manager Mickey Moran 30 August 2006
Mickey Moran has asked Mayo supporters to understand that there will be no special open training session where fans can meet players before the All-Ireland final as he is keen to ensure that his squad can concentrate on football matters only.
Often counties that make the All-Ireland finals open up one training session where players can meet the fans and sign autographs. It is an excellent way of building a good atmosphere before a final but can also act as a major distraction to players as well as wasting an opportunity to prepare for the big match.
Mickey Moran has knocked on the head Mayo’s tradition of an open public training session and has asked the Connacht champions fans to understand the reasons behind his decision.
“All I would ask is that this time the Mayo supporters give the players the space to train for two or three weeks. It will make all the difference. We’re going to meet eight times and meet with the players,” said Moran.
“I’m going to honest; we’re not going to have any open sessions between now and the final.
“We need to have a lot of intense sessions, we’ll be doing different things ad it’s a time for the players to focus on Kerry. To beat them in an All-Ireland final is going to take one hell of an effort and we need to get work done.”
Moran has also said that the squad are happy with this arrangement as they are keen to put the disappointments of previous final losses behind them.
“The lads have already said that there were things done and not done in the past that will need to be got right this time.”
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Post by northkerry on Aug 31, 2006 11:22:23 GMT
In relation to the final......id put mark on mortimer (best man marker we have), aidan on dillon and seamus on mcdonnell (seamus would relish the chance!).....brady also needs close attention , he's handy enough. Massive game for dara in midfield, if he can win 50% + in that battle we should be ok. Where we can win it is up front....i think that full back was shakey under the high ball against dublin and they had no giants playing up there! dont think they will be able to handle gooch & mfr either.
will be tough, but kerry by 2 or 3.......ciarraí abú!
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Post by kerryman99 on Aug 31, 2006 11:32:44 GMT
agree marc for mort, if marc plays a good game then he should limit him to 1 or 2 from play, seamus is rising to the challenge this year and i would expect him to have a great final too. i hope we dont get too reliant on the high ball in though. if we really mix it up then we will cause them all kind of trouble.
Up Kerry!
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Post by kerryman on Aug 31, 2006 11:37:37 GMT
Great to see Sheehan back in training. If Dublin had him the last day they'd have drawn level (or possibly won it)!
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Post by noreenos on Aug 31, 2006 14:01:05 GMT
Admin, Where did my new thread go about Marc O'Se?
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Post by Admin on Aug 31, 2006 15:22:22 GMT
Since cmarty was about the only one on this thread to reference the game in the last two days, a lot of the posts have been moved to the "Cynicism" thread! Please try to actually discuss the game on this thread! Thanks
& Noreen, your comments can be discussed here - thats what this thread is for! (I had posted your comment earlier into your post above)
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Post by Dermot on Aug 31, 2006 15:56:59 GMT
Since cmarty was about the only one on this thread to reference the game in the last two days, a lot of the posts have been moved to the "Cynicism" thread! Please try to actually discuss the game on this thread! Thanks & Noreen, your comments can be discussed here - thats what this thread is for! (I had posted your comment earlier into your post above)Oooooooooooo ............. Pass the milk
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Post by noreenos on Aug 31, 2006 15:58:53 GMT
Thank you Admin.
I just wanted to highlight it a bit more!
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Post by clancarre on Aug 31, 2006 18:35:29 GMT
Kerry backs to come good in final. Dec Sul to regain his place at 11 for Bros and will be captain. Gooch still has not got his old confidence back. Team will have to play flat out for the full 70 minutes, we are lucky we have been warned of Mayo's ability to come back. Team should be Diarmuid - Aidan, Mike Mac, Tom Sul,- Tomás, Seamo, Marc, - Dara, Griffin, - Galvin, Dec Sul (Capt), Sean Sul, - Gooch, Donaghy, MFR.
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Post by una on Aug 31, 2006 20:54:25 GMT
Wouldnt drop Brosnan for the final.He will keep the Mayo backs on their toes and is not afraid to go for goal.Hard to judge how much of a test Mayo got against Dublin.Not a hope that we would allow them come back into the game if we went 7 points up.Dont think it will be as close as everyone is predicting.Kerry are saving the 70 mins performance for the final.Kerry to win by 4 or 5 points.
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 31, 2006 21:45:53 GMT
cmarty
you were right to apologise for the length of your epistle. Possibly the longest I have read here for some time.
Welcome to the site. I have great respect for mayo and have some good friends from that part of the world. I obviously hope Kerry win but if we have to loose, then Mayo is not a bad option. Enjoyed a few drunken nights in Swinford in the past.
ps. We are not going to loose.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Sept 1, 2006 11:21:07 GMT
Who do we reckon will be marking the 6 mayo forwards?
I reckon tom sullivan will take mortimer, Marc Se on Macdonald, O'Mahony on Ger Brady, I'd expect O'Neill might get a start and Mike Mac might pick him up, Maybe tomas on Dillon and Moynihan on billy joe, if padden is fit.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 1, 2006 11:26:45 GMT
three weeks seems to be a long time to be talking about a shaggin match,anything can happen in that time span.
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Post by surfdude62 on Sept 1, 2006 11:45:09 GMT
A shaggin match?I thought it was a football match? ;D
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Post by Admin on Sept 1, 2006 12:18:59 GMT
Referee:
The senior game between Mayo and Kerry will be controlled by Brian Crowe of Cavan, while Wexford’s Syl Doyle will take charge of the minor game between Kerry and Roscommon.
Crowe brings much experience to his refereeing role but will be appearing in his first All-Ireland Senior final. He has taken charge of senior championship games in Ulster and Munster as well as Leinster and he has also controlled two AIB All-Ireland club deciders.
This year he was on duty for both the Dublin v Laois Leinster semi-final and the All-Ireland quarter final between Dublin and Westmeath. A member of the Cavan Gaels club, he refereed throughout the Allianz League earlier in the year when his assignments included the Kerry-Dublin tie at Killarney in April.
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Post by Dermot on Sept 1, 2006 12:25:15 GMT
Where's this shaggin match on at then ? ................... Do ya have to be from Kerry ? .................... If so, "I can't stand them feckin Northerners !" Yep, I can almost feel admin grabbing that bit a hair just above & to the front of the ear and yanking
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 1, 2006 23:13:31 GMT
Crowe is fairly picky and really applies the rules - expect a start stop final for the first twenty minutes!!
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Post by Tadhgeen on Sept 1, 2006 23:35:39 GMT
I had a feeling all along that Mayo were going to reach the final. I could not ignore them especially when compared against other teams such as Laois and Dublin. Player for player they are very, very good. They also had a track record better than most other teams and that gave them much valued experience. Added to that they have an experienced and focussed management team.
My feeling is that the final will be extremely close and a draw wouldn't surprise me. I've said it before and I'll say it again, midfield is going to be crucial and I think that Mayo probably shade it here although a lot will depend on who can pick up the breaks where Kerry may just about have the upperhand. I am worried that we have depended too much on Daragh for the last few games - does anyone else think this?
If we can't get the ball inside to the forwards then it will be very difficult as we are not exactly masters of sending ball over the bar from far out (Sean Sull excluded). I do think that the team that scores goals will take the game. So far Mayo haven't looked too prolific in that department and their goal against the Dubs was soft enough.
For Kerry to win Gooch will have to up his performance as I think the 'Donnaghy affect' will be somewhat negated by Mayo. Gooch is our main forward for this game as far as I am concerned. The question is can he do it again?
I agree with Cmart's post particularly in relation to MacDonald who is a great player but slows the ball down when you feel Mayo would be better off not channelling the ball through him. I do feel that this is the main reason why they haven't scored too many goals as most of their attacks come through him. On numerous occasions against Laois in both games and to a lesser extent against Dublin he demanded ball when others were in a better position.
Having said that I am sure the Mayo management will address this problem against Kerry, possibly by playing MacDonald inside and I can see MacDonald upping his performance and not wasting as many passes as he has done so far this championship.
Mayo also have a small full forward who comes out the field for ball.
Mortimwer is brilliant at scoring points from all angles without even looking at the posts, however at least one goal will be required to win this game.
All and all , a very even game with the crucial battles being fought on the wings and in the corners rather than in the central positions.
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Post by Die Hard Kerry Fan on Sept 2, 2006 7:27:31 GMT
Time to throw in my two cents! I've seen posts saying that Kerry will not take Mayo seriously. As good as I believe Kerry to be and I'm certain that they know themselves how good they are, but there is no way that they will not take Mayo seriously. It's the All Ireland final and you cannot take any team lightly at this stage of the championship. I've been hearing criticism about Kerry's performances during the year and while I agree with some of it, especially in the two Munster games against Cork, when push has come to shove Kerry have delivered, Armagh being the perfect example. I personally don't think that Mayo have had to play any team near as good as Kerry have played. They beat a very poor Galway side, who then exited to Westmeath in the qualifiers, the same Westmeath who were destroyed by Dublin (God that was a terrible match). They beat Laois in a replay and although Laois did put one over on Tyrone, I never thought that Laois would progress any further than the quarters anyway. They've put one over on the Dubs, but in all honesty did anyone on here think that Dublin were any good from the start. They kicked 16 wides in the quarter final win against Westmeath in what has to be one of the worst matches I have ever seen. Westmeath were so bad that day that Dublin could have fallen asleep for the second half and still won by 5 or 6 points. While Mayo did come from seven points down to beat the Dubs and they showed heart in doing so, if Dublin had managed to play for more than the 20 minutes that they managed to put some effort into the game then we would be looking at Kerry -Dublin final rather than the game we are looking forward to now. When Dublin ran at the Mayo backs they destroyed them and I can see Kerry doing the same thing, the difference this time being that the Kerry forwards will sustain this for the entire game. I cannot see the Mayo defence being able to deal with the likes of Brosnan, Galvin, Gooch and MF taking them on. All in all, on the day Kerry will have too much in reserve for Mayo I think. I think Tomás will pick up MacDonald and this will curb any influence that he may have on the game. I'm sure now someone will have something critical to say about my piece, but sure, do as you please. Kerry will win and that's how I see it. Bring it on!
Ciarraí Abú!
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Post by FatTom on Sept 2, 2006 13:26:36 GMT
We've heard all about the Northern dominance but we need this All Ireland to show just exactly have been the kingpins of this generation.
Personally I feel we will have too much in the tank for Mayo. Against Dublin everything they kicked went over for once but they have a terrible tendancy to kick wides on the big occasion.
They will have to put over at least 85% of chances against us because our full back line won't be as forgiving as Dublin's. Heaney is a good player with the ball and has shown himself to be an excellent player but Donnaghy will give him big problems in the air. Kerry exploited this weakness in Mayo in 2004 and could do so again. I've been really impressed by Keith Higgins all year but he was given the run around against the Dubs by Brogan and Gooch will be too good for him on his day.
Their half backs are excellent picking up breaks and running forward but I think Brosnan or Declan Sullivan could cause damage through the centre as Nallen is pushing on in age. At midfield we'll need Darragh at his best as MacGarrity has been excellent all year.
Alan Dillon is a big threat in the forwards and was super in his last outing. I think Mortimer shouldn't be too much to handle for any of our full back line but on his day he is very accurate. Ger Brady could have a little too much pace for Moyno so maybe expect to see him push out to the wing.
MacDonald is their playmaker but he does slow things down a bit. However he has the ability to spot a pass out of the corner of his eye so he will have to be marked tightly as he was in 2004 when Eamon Fitz did a super job.
I always worry for Kerry when teams run at them. This isn't Mayo style. They tend to play direct ball into space and our backs are far better at curbing this threat than coping with a running style.
For these reasons I think we should win again. Only pity is I'll be watching it in Chicago.
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Post by Jo90 on Sept 2, 2006 18:09:47 GMT
If Ó Cinnéide can beat Heaney in the air then Donaghy surely will as well.
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Post by westofthebridge on Sept 2, 2006 21:18:56 GMT
I dont know quite what to think of this All-Ireland campaign. What I mean is, we as a team have been all over the place. A bad Muster Campaign, followed by a half decent display against an average team and then "The Kingdom" stun everyone in the country with a meer half hour of , what has to be called, footballing brilliance!!!!!! I think we have beaten the best team in this championship already but at the same time that does not mean we are automatically entitled to Sam. Our surprise factor is well and truely gone and Mayo have had a tough route here. Mayo showed unreal character and stamina against Dublin and you can rest assured that with Morrission behaind the scenes thay will leave no stone unturned. Kerry can not take this one as decided, as we could be in for a serious upset.... I guess my point is this........ Do not take Mayo for granted, this is prob gonna be the toughest, due to history and heart!!!!
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Post by watchdahop on Sept 4, 2006 8:58:27 GMT
There is a big lesson from yesterdays game: Look at Cork hurlers a lot of people wrote off KK but and I would say Cork ended up in the trap of being caught in a cocoon of hype. What happened? KK tore into them. A lack of hunger and complancey are a bad combination on a big day... Mayo won't lack hunger.....
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Post by kerryman on Sept 4, 2006 9:06:30 GMT
I wouldn't count on Heaney being left on Star. They could bring back McGarrity in full back, drop James Nallen (he's been poor this year) and put David Brady in midfield (he was outstanding against Dublin).
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 4, 2006 9:49:24 GMT
i couldn't see mayo taking ronan mcgarrity out of midfield,i dont think brady would man midfield for the 70 minutes,hard to see them not starting nallen for the first half at least for his experience till the game beds in.
they put mcgarrity on tomas in last years quarter final to nullify tomas,that would be playing right into dara's hands again.
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Post by falveyb2k on Sept 4, 2006 11:08:15 GMT
Mayo directed everything away from Darragh last year and putting McGarrity on Tomas worked well for them. It'll be interesting to see if it happens again
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Post by Jo90 on Sept 4, 2006 20:19:06 GMT
If that happens again surely Darragh will go over to pick up McGarrity for the kickouts.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 4, 2006 21:51:44 GMT
Cue a game of chasing as Darragh runs across the field to McGarrity and McGarrity running across to the other side of the pitch to get away from Darragh.....
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Post by kerryman on Sept 5, 2006 8:47:56 GMT
Tis true that they're a good side for "customising" the kickouts. It worked wonders with David Brady sprinting away from the pack out to the sideline for a shorter 50 yard kickout.
That's one thing Kerry certainly won't be trying - it'd go out over the sideline every time and would be like a licence to print scores for McDonald.
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