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Post by apocalypseanois on Sept 20, 2006 11:16:00 GMT
One last thing bugging me from the match on sunday. I was up on the hill during the match and had a very good view of the Tom o' Sullivan / Mortimer exchanges. And i was fully convinced that in fact it was Mortimer who was doing the pulling and dragging. when the umpire called the ref's attention I thought my suspicions were gonna be confirmed but no O' Sullivan got booked. Any else have opinions of this, or is it just me looking through green and gold tinted glasses. I was on the hill myself 33 and I was very surprised to see O Sullivan get booked aswell. It was obvious that Mortimer was trying to prevent O Sullivan from playing from the front. I suppose Mortimer got the benefit of the doubt him being much smaller and all. Speaking of O Sullivan, I was very dissappointed to see he only got a 6 rating in the examiner on Monday. I thought he was outstanding keeping the most in-form corner forward of the championship quite all day. I even thought he was one of the contenders for man of the match.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 20, 2006 11:31:46 GMT
That left Armagh and Kerry and with 5 minutes to go in the quarter final there was only 2 points in it. One intercepted pass and Darren o Sullivan killed off Armagh. That was the day that the 2006 Sam was won. 100% true.i dont think any1 can argue that point Any going back to Dara O'Cinnaide's comments on Sunday night. Kerry were in year three of a development programme. Dublin, Mayo and Laois were in year one of new programmes. Galway in year two but God knows what happened there. Kerry were always going to be too tough for them physically.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 20, 2006 12:07:15 GMT
we shouldnt lose sight of who we beat on sunday either,mayo were the best from the weaker side of the draw who managed to beat a dublin side whom mopped up the weaker teams in leinster and thus subsequently colasped in the semi v mayo .
our game against armagh is proberly a better barrometer to judge our credentials,remember armagh struggled to beat monaghan,fermanagh and didnt distroy donegal.Armagh i feel however would have beaten most if not all of the other contenders left at that stage.
we should keep our feet on the ground,remember we will be on the weaker side of the draw next year and will be depending on cork and dublin to put it up to use and thoughen us up in the race for sam '07.
dara o cinneade also said on the sunday game that there is unfinished business with tyrone that might need to be addressed yet,we will have it all to do to retain sam and we will have to earn it the hard way like this year by beating the best teams out there.
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Post by BIGMAC on Sept 20, 2006 12:33:25 GMT
we should keep our feet on the ground,remember we will be on the weaker side of the draw next year and will be depending on cork and dublin to put it up to use and thoughen us up in the race for sam '07. apparently not so kg,next year we are supposed to be gettin the closest thing to an open draw when it comes to the 1/4's ams semis, all teams will be pull out of a hat
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Post by BIGMAC on Sept 20, 2006 12:34:25 GMT
100% true.i dont think any1 can argue that point Any going back to Dara O'Cinnaide's comments on Sunday night. Kerry were in year three of a development programme. Dublin, Mayo and Laois were in year one of new programmes. Galway in year two but God knows what happened there. Kerry were always going to be too tough for them physically. i hate to say it stacks but i told u so
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Post by inforthebreaks on Sept 20, 2006 13:00:29 GMT
we should keep our feet on the ground,remember we will be on the weaker side of the draw next year and will be depending on cork and dublin to put it up to use and thoughen us up in the race for sam '07. apparently not so kg,next year we are supposed to be gettin the closest thing to an open draw when it comes to the 1/4's ams semis, all teams will be pull out of a hat Good. I don't think Billy morgan could take another pasting from Kerry in an all ireland semi final...
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Post by Jo90 on Sept 20, 2006 13:09:39 GMT
I presume the four 1/4 finalists through the back door will come out of a hat but the semi-final 3 year cycle will continue?
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Post by Owenabue on Sept 20, 2006 13:13:31 GMT
inforthebreaks... we're improving all the time!
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 20, 2006 13:43:25 GMT
we should keep our feet on the ground,remember we will be on the weaker side of the draw next year and will be depending on cork and dublin to put it up to use and thoughen us up in the race for sam '07. apparently not so kg,next year we are supposed to be gettin the closest thing to an open draw when it comes to the 1/4's ams semis, all teams will be pull out of a hat thats proberly a good thing for the championship. but wasnt their something about that before when that was the case,i remember micko giving out about it,something about not getting a two week break before the quailifiers after losing a provencial final,maybe i'm getting my wires crossed though.
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Post by BIGMAC on Sept 20, 2006 14:34:11 GMT
no the way i understand it once the qualifiers are over its every1 in the hat and whoever come out is the way the matches will be played
no i think ur right there kg but also some of the provincial winners were'nt getting a game for 4 weeks so this could be the answer and as the provincials are now lame ducks i think it only fair that everybody has the same time between games
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Post by FatTom on Sept 20, 2006 14:56:30 GMT
So lads lets look at our record this decade. We won 3 All Ireland's. 2 of them emphatically. We lost 2 All Ireland finals by the kick of a ball. In one of them we should have been out the gate at half time (I'll never forget Eoin's chance going a whisker wide) but in the end we were beaten by a better team by the sideline could have done a lot more about it. In 2005 2 incidents changed the game. An alleged push by Gooch on MacMenamin after Mike Mac was ridiculously out of place led to their goal and the Gooch/Goalie incident which led to him being negated for a large period. However again we were beaten by the better team on the day.
The less said about 01 and 03 the better. But 5 finals in 7 years and making the semi every year so far is damn impressive.
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Post by seamus on Sept 20, 2006 15:39:25 GMT
I reckon we were well beaten last year FatTom. The scorebaord flattered us big time. It was more the performance that was bad, trying to break tackles, overcarrying etc.
But I agree we have been the outstanding team so far this decade. We have not lost to a mediocre team apart from cork this year (2002 excused for OSe's dad). Tyrone and Armagh have regulary fallen to poor opposition. Also winning 2 leagues in the last 3 years shows we can dominate on a level field as well seeing as some of our Ulster brethren reckon Ulster messes up teams by forcing them to peak too early.
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Post by FatTom on Sept 20, 2006 16:06:06 GMT
I reckon we were well beaten last year FatTom. The scorebaord flattered us big time. It was more the performance that was bad, trying to break tackles, overcarrying etc. But I agree we have been the outstanding team so far this decade. We have not lost to a mediocre team apart from cork this year (2002 excused for OSe's dad). Tyrone and Armagh have regulary fallen to poor opposition. Also winning 2 leagues in the last 3 years shows we can dominate on a level field as well seeing as some of our Ulster brethren reckon Ulster messes up teams by forcing them to peak too early. I agree. But as I said those 2 incidents did turn the game.
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Post by Jo90 on Sept 20, 2006 16:06:59 GMT
I reckon we were well beaten last year FatTom. The scorebaord flattered us big time. It was more the performance that was bad, trying to break tackles, overcarrying etc. But I agree we have been the outstanding team so far this decade. We have not lost to a mediocre team apart from cork this year (2002 excused for OSe's dad). Tyrone and Armagh have regulary fallen to poor opposition. Also winning 2 leagues in the last 3 years shows we can dominate on a level field as well seeing as some of our Ulster brethren reckon Ulster messes up teams by forcing them to peak too early. I'd agree. 2005 was a bit like 1997. There might have only been a goal in it but it was obvious who the better team were.
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Post by tyroneperson on Sept 20, 2006 16:25:23 GMT
I reckon we were well beaten last year FatTom. The scorebaord flattered us big time. It was more the performance that was bad, trying to break tackles, overcarrying etc. But I agree we have been the outstanding team so far this decade. We have not lost to a mediocre team apart from cork this year (2002 excused for OSe's dad). Tyrone and Armagh have regulary fallen to poor opposition. Also winning 2 leagues in the last 3 years shows we can dominate on a level field as well seeing as some of our Ulster brethren reckon Ulster messes up teams by forcing them to peak too early. Tyrone might have been beaten to mediocre enough opposition in 2004 and in 2006, but when it came to the crunch games in 2003 and 2005 against the other 2 of the "big 3" Kerry/Armagh we had enough to win
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Post by FatTom on Sept 20, 2006 17:03:24 GMT
I reckon we were well beaten last year FatTom. The scorebaord flattered us big time. It was more the performance that was bad, trying to break tackles, overcarrying etc. But I agree we have been the outstanding team so far this decade. We have not lost to a mediocre team apart from cork this year (2002 excused for OSe's dad). Tyrone and Armagh have regulary fallen to poor opposition. Also winning 2 leagues in the last 3 years shows we can dominate on a level field as well seeing as some of our Ulster brethren reckon Ulster messes up teams by forcing them to peak too early. Tyrone might have been beaten to mediocre enough opposition in 2004 and in 2006, but when it came to the crunch games in 2003 and 2005 against the other 2 of the "big 3" Kerry/Armagh we had enough to win Good point. But I'd rather win an All Ireland than lose to a bad team after beating one of the big 3
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Post by Tadhgeen on Sept 20, 2006 17:14:27 GMT
Well done to Kerry players, management and fans. Thoroughly enjoyed the weekend and am just about recovered now. There are plenty posts giving views on the game and I agree with the majority.
A few comments/observations none-the-less:-
Declan was superb and was well worth selection. There's a fine line between constructive comment and ignorant criticism. A few here on this forum have been guilty of the latter.
All other Kerry players were also superb with the exception of Tomas O'Se who has had a mediocre season by his own standards and certainly had an off day last Sunday.
Jack Connor and co-selectors didn't put a foot wrong and made all the right decisions.
We will never do enough to please some people - soft AI my ARSE!
Mayo scored 1 measly point from play and you could argue that 2 of their goals were fortuitous - you had to question why Billy Jo Padden was taken off as I thought he was doing ok?
Fair dues to Mayo that they didn't start fighting (ok 1 or 2 big hits but nothing really sustained and visious) like some other counties would have.
Programme notes made a glaring mistake saying that Kerry & Mayo last met in AI final in 1997!
Keith Barr has lost his marbles which is demonstrated by his inclusion of no-less than 4 Dublin players (Cluxton, Cullen, Brogan & Sherlock) in HIS Allstar selection, he gave Kerry 5!
The majority of the media have also lost their collective marbles demonstrated by their inept reporting of the game and in particular their rating of some Kerry players. I agree with you Fat Tom on this subject.
Roscommon fans were there in numbers and very vocal.
Draw was a fair result in minors.
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Post by sullyschoice on Sept 20, 2006 21:52:50 GMT
I was delighted with the game on Sunday. Had a nice few creamy pints in Kennedys afterwards with a few friends, a couple of who were mayo men. They were gutted.
Decided that I would drive to Tralee for the homecoming on Monday because i had never done it before. Stopped off at Listowel for a few races on the way- shouldnt have bothered, lost money.
Got a few photos on Denny street and drove back to Dublin on Tuesday morning before the missus went too mad.
Last night sat down and watched the game again on DVD. I couldnt believe how much time the Kerry players had on the ball. Mc Garrity was even worse on DVD than he looked live. A couple of balls kicked staright into Kerry arms.
Back into work today. Cock of the Walk. Collected a few bets.
Spare a thought though for poor old Mayo and their fans. It really hurts them. They deserve a break.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 20, 2006 22:00:38 GMT
declan o sullivan handled the ball 34 times,seamus and paul galvin 27 times each.
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Post by JOAN on Sept 20, 2006 23:38:14 GMT
I have to say that all of the team played very well. I was happy that Declan played so well. For me its his best game to date. but I though that seamus and paul were just brillant. The ground they covered the passion and heart by which they played was a credit to the county and to us all.
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Post by narrie on Sept 21, 2006 8:47:08 GMT
I must say I was delighted to see Jack O' on The Championship last night. At last a bit of balance. Although he was up against it with that langer McHugh. Kerry were nastier this year! Star always turns to the right! They can only beat Connaught teams!!!! It makes the blood boil. OK of the six finals we've got to we've been beaten by Ulster teams twice. But they didn't get to the other 4. We've beaten numerous Ulster and Leinster teams en route to those finals (Armagh, Longford, Derrry, Dublin, Kildare, Fermanagh, we won't include Wicklow). If Ulster or Leinster teams could make it to a few more finals, then maybe we would have a better record against them.
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Post by Timoleague on Sept 21, 2006 9:20:25 GMT
To be fair to most Northies - they seem like great fans. But this overiding arrogance that Ulster is dominant & that Tyrone in particular can't be beaten at full strength blah blah blah is fairly annoying at this stage.
The fact is that in 2006 Tyrone had serious injuries which badly affected their ability.However in 2004 Kerry were missing our 2 greatest players - both of whom had been in flying form. In addition our most lethal forward to then, MFR, was in poor form - yet we still won the AI in flying style.
All credit to Laois, but there is no way that they should have beaten Tyrone(injury ravaged or not), even with their injuries. Remember Laois were well beaten by what was obviously a mediocre Mayo side. I wonder if the real issues for Tyrone are:- 1 - Is the talent bank a little more threadbare than we believe 2 - How much of an influence, off and on the field, was Peter Canavan - and how much of a void does his retirement cause? 3 - Dooher is pushing on. He has been vital to Tyrone's success. Is there a replacement? I suppose we will not find out 'till 07. But 'till then we can only deal in facts - the obvious fact being that Kerry beat everyone, including the Ulster Champions, well this year and are worthy champions.
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Post by peig on Sept 21, 2006 9:42:48 GMT
WOOOOOOOOOOO! HOOOOOOOOOOOO! Comhgháirdeachas ó chroí le foireann bhuacach, laochmhar, lách na Ríochta! I haven't been able to get near a computer since I came back on Monday (hence, I haven't been here). Séamus, Aidan, Galvin, Declan, Marc, Donaghy - ye all had a great game. I could go on! Kerryman, I'm glad you secured a ticket in the end. Best of luck to the minors next weekend. UP THE KINGDOM!!!
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Post by Jo90 on Sept 21, 2006 10:09:20 GMT
Does anyone know if Brosnan's 5-1 makes him the top scorer in the Championship from play?
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Post by peig on Sept 21, 2006 11:18:38 GMT
Can anyone tell me when was the last time there were six goals scored in the first half of an All-Ireland Senior Football Final?
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Post by peig on Sept 21, 2006 11:20:55 GMT
You might have seen this before, but this is on the Hoganstand website
Kerry selector Ger O’Keeffe has claimed there was a mole in the Kingdom camp who was spreading stories about the panel to the media.
Details of a clear the air meeting was published in a Sunday newspaper following the Munster final replay defeat to Cork, while the build-up to last Sunday’s All-Ireland final was marred by reports of player unrest.
“I just don’t understand who is the cause of these stories coming out of the camp. It is absolutely disgraceful. There is no place for those type of people in the modern game and if we find out who those people are they will never a Kerry dressing room again,” blasted O’Keeffe.
Referring back to the All-Ireland final win over Mayo, O’Keeffe confirmed that Eoin Brosnan’s introduction at half-time in place of Tomas O Se was a tactical move and was not forced by injury.
“We made a good decision at half-time to bring on Eoin and drop Tommy (Griffin) back because Tomas was struggling a bit of Billy Joe (Padden). He was struggling under the high ball but Tomas has played well throughout the year and you have everyone playing fantastic on the day.”
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Post by isfearliomstar on Sept 21, 2006 13:15:47 GMT
Ya i heard that also before i left tralee tuesday nite to return home to cork. I was also told they know who it is and that its going to surface shortly. i fear the worst though as to who it is. the result of all this is not going to be nice i fear.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 21, 2006 17:29:14 GMT
Ya i heard that also before i left tralee tuesday nite to return home to cork. I was also told they know who it is and that its going to surface shortly. i fear the worst though as to who it is. the result of all this is not going to be nice i fear. This is getting surreal...... a bit like outing Stakeknife....... mother of jesus ...what next
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Post by topcat on Sept 21, 2006 17:42:38 GMT
They'll hardly name him will they???
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Post by kilye on Sept 21, 2006 19:27:56 GMT
hello ausinstacks i just ave 2 say tat declan o sullivan defo deserved 2 b on da starting 15 nd deserved 2 b captain....e did south kerry proud!!!!!
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