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Post by ciarrai33 on Sept 19, 2006 9:41:59 GMT
Is any else getting pissed off with the treatment that the gooch is getting in nearly every game from opposition defences. some of the tackles on him are bordering on assault. The incidents against Mayo and Tipperary this year were terrible. Fair play to Canty, he marked the gooch with skill and strenght and nothing else.
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Post by Owenabue on Sept 19, 2006 9:45:06 GMT
Judging by the lack of knowledge of some of the people going up on the train, I would say it was the first match all year. You have to wonder when someone makes the discovery that the minors are also playing before the senior games just how little they know about football in general. (I didn't get to go to the match)
ciarrai33, with regards to Copper, didn't Jack O' Connor say that during the year that Canty is the only player that marked him fairly?
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Post by kerryman on Sept 19, 2006 9:47:44 GMT
Is any else getting pissed off with the treatment that the gooch is getting in nearly every game from opposition defences. some of the tackles on him are bordering on assault. The incidents against Mayo and Tipperary this year were terrible. Fair play to Canty, he marked the gooch with skill and strenght and nothing else. There's a photo in todays indo of a fellah with Gooch in a headlock (there's a brawl going on beside them at the time). Says it all. The man is a giant of the sport to be able to take this treatment and still keep his nose reasonably clean
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Post by thehighfield on Sept 19, 2006 9:50:54 GMT
Is any else getting pissed off with the treatment that the gooch is getting in nearly every game from opposition defences. some of the tackles on him are bordering on assault. The incidents against Mayo and Tipperary this year were terrible. Fair play to Canty, he marked the gooch with skill and strenght and nothing else. Having looked at that incident in particular where Cooper was flattened in slow motion I though that shoulder was almost shoulder to shoulder but Gooch was completely off balance and hence got floored. Brady didn't do much either (at the time I thought he had clattered Gooch). Donaghy was lucky to stay on the field in my opinion not that it would have mattered as Kerry were back in 3rd gear at that stage. Did anyone else see Keith Higgins' stamp on the Gooch. Clear as daylight on TV last night? As Colm Cooper is lying half dead on the ground Higgins comes in and picks up the ball, turns and does a shuffle with his feet that lands his studs into Cooper's groin. It shows how much pain the Cooper was in that he didn't even react to the stamping
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Post by ciarrai33 on Sept 19, 2006 9:51:44 GMT
Is any else getting pissed off with the treatment that the gooch is getting in nearly every game from opposition defences. some of the tackles on him are bordering on assault. The incidents against Mayo and Tipperary this year were terrible. Fair play to Canty, he marked the gooch with skill and strenght and nothing else. There's a photo in todays indo of a fellah with Gooch in a headlock (there's a brawl going on beside them at the time). Says it all. The man is a giant of the sport to be able to take this treatment and still keep his nose reasonably clean I know the photo you are talking aabout and i assume that at that time the gooch was practically concussed. Bad form on the mayo back's behalf
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Post by inforthebreaks on Sept 19, 2006 9:55:14 GMT
are we suggesting that Mayo are a cynical team? ??
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Post by kerryman on Sept 19, 2006 9:57:19 GMT
are we suggesting that Mayo are a cynical team? ?? Nope. This is about the treatment that Gooch gets in every game. Its only a matter of time before he has a bone broken by defenders that aren't good enough to mark him.
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Post by ciarrai33 on Sept 19, 2006 10:03:44 GMT
i would use the term naive before cynical when talking about Mayo 2006
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Post by BIGMAC on Sept 19, 2006 10:05:38 GMT
Moynihan undecided on future
Sunday, September 17
Sports stars can be separated into two categories. The one’s who rise to the occasion, and the one’s who falter when most needed. Seamus Moynihan has been a steadfast figure in the first category, but rarely has he received the plaudits that he has deserved.
Some of his supporters in the media have simply referred to him as the cog in the Kerry machine – the one who keeps it all turning over. He is, however, a player who offers much more than he is given credit for. Now he was won his fourth All-Ireland winners medal and is widely expected to retire from Gaelic football. If he does, Kerry football will face a big problem in trying to find a replacement for him.
Before making his decision on his playing future, Moynihan wanted to enjoy the success of winning another All-Ireland over Mayo in a 4-15 to 3-5 victory.
“It was a fantastic win. Your goal at the start of the year is to win the National League, but to win the All-Ireland is brilliant,” he said in the All-Ireland winning dressing room on Sunday.
“We got a real kick up the backside from the Munster Final, and it was something that we needed. I feel that if we progressed through Munster and played Donegal in the quarter-final, they would have beat us at that stage because we wouldn’t have learned up at Croke Park what we did against a very good Longford team.”
Moynihan remains undecided about playing on, even if the Kerry fans would like to see him and midfielder Darragh O Se return in the Green and Gold jersey for one last year.
“There is a fantastic panel there for Kerry. Darragh and myself have been around for a good few years, I think it was fantastic winning the All-Ireland and that was our target for this year,” he explained.
“Maybe it’s time for new players to come in, because you have to face reality as you can’t keep running forever.”
Whatever the future holds for Seamus Moynihan, the historians will ensure that his legacy in the Kerry jersey is one that reflects on his tireless efforts to helping the Kingdom to four All-Ireland victories, and he will always be remembered as a player who rose to the occasion.
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Post by thehighfield on Sept 19, 2006 10:06:47 GMT
are we suggesting that Mayo are a cynical team? ?? I don't anyone would, or for that matter anyone could, accuse Mayo of being systematically cynical. It's just that given the circumstances a few of them got very disheartened and did some things that they normally would never do.
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Post by kerryman on Sept 19, 2006 10:35:49 GMT
“We got a real kick up the backside from the Munster Final, and it was something that we needed. I feel that if we progressed through Munster and played Donegal in the quarter-final, they would have beat us at that stage because we wouldn’t have learned up at Croke Park what we did against a very good Longford team.” He'd a great line on the Sunday game: He was asked about the fact that training sessions were getting a bit heated and Moynihan says: "Yerrah yeah, a few of the North Kerry lads were getting back to basics alright". Brilliant.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 19, 2006 11:11:36 GMT
in relation to the kerry fans,can ye imagine what the reaction in kerry would be like if the shoe was on the other foot and we were the team beaten by thirteen points.
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Post by FatTom on Sept 19, 2006 11:57:20 GMT
I read another article in the Indo about trend setting by Armagh and Tyrone. 1 All Ireland by Armagh and they are trend setters. Is losing to Fermanagh setting a trend? just curious ft is no one allowed an opinion other than kerry are gods and should be worshipped without quiery,com'on tom thats what makes for good debate,pundits are allways being proved wrong thats why we love/hate them.i predicted to one member (by pm) of this forum and a senior 1 at that,that kerry would win by at least 8 points and was told that they thought the game would be a lot tighter that that maybe a point or 2,indeed on this forum posters were predicting a very close match so just because some one puts it in print in a daily rag does'nt make them a prat any more than some1 doin it here,remember they get (well) paid for their opinions and as i allways say "opinions are lie a55holes,everyone has 1". just 1 more thing tom i dont recall armagh being beat by fermanagh this championship as far as i recall we only had 1 loss,1 which we did'nt have the chance to rectify like some teams did Do you consider 1 All Ireland trend setting. As for Fermanagh I referred to that as in 2004. Armagh have a great record in Ulster ut even you must agree they largely underachieved on a national scale. I have great respect for ye but setting trendsto me would mean consistently being the best which unfortunately for ye ended with One Ireland. Now if its about trend setting in the North then fair enough.
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Post by BIGMAC on Sept 19, 2006 12:55:48 GMT
just curious ft is no one allowed an opinion other than kerry are gods and should be worshipped without quiery,com'on tom thats what makes for good debate,pundits are allways being proved wrong thats why we love/hate them.i predicted to one member (by pm) of this forum and a senior 1 at that,that kerry would win by at least 8 points and was told that they thought the game would be a lot tighter that that maybe a point or 2,indeed on this forum posters were predicting a very close match so just because some one puts it in print in a daily rag does'nt make them a prat any more than some1 doin it here,remember they get (well) paid for their opinions and as i allways say "opinions are lie a55holes,everyone has 1". just 1 more thing tom i dont recall armagh being beat by fermanagh this championship as far as i recall we only had 1 loss,1 which we did'nt have the chance to rectify like some teams did Do you consider 1 All Ireland trend setting. As for Fermanagh I referred to that as in 2004. Armagh have a great record in Ulster ut even you must agree they largely underachieved on a national scale. I have great respect for ye but setting trendsto me would mean consistently being the best which unfortunately for ye ended with One Ireland. Now if its about trend setting in the North then fair enough. with the exception of 2004 the team that has beaten armagh in recent years has went on to win the all ireland,there is no doubt that this armagh team have underachieved we should hav had 1 or maybe 2 more all irelands by now but thems the breaks,2002 kerry beaten by the kick of a ball,2003 armagh the same,2005 same again for kerry in the final and armagh in the semi's,in close games sometimes a bit of luck goes ur way sometimes it does'nt. i have'nt seen the total article but i would hazard a guess that it could be the new type of open football that armagh are tryin to perfect. ur running around cocksure of urself at the moment tom chest out and full of pride and rightly so but that does'nt make any statement you make carry any more weight of importance to that of any other,does 1 all ireland give a team or supporter no right to have an opinion if that is the case how many do you need to have a voice. i for 1 am proud of my team and the majority of their supporters,i am proud of the fact that win or lose i can shake the hand of my opponnet but most of all i'm glad my minds not closed to the opinions of others and i do my best not to disrespect theirs wether i dissagree with it or not.
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Post by kerryman on Sept 19, 2006 12:59:00 GMT
In fairness Tom, up to 6 weeks ago Armagh were the team to beat this year. Themselves and Tyrone have been more of the teams to fear than Kerry. call it the northern scare factor or call it whatever you want, but they were exceptional. The 1 all Ireland does not do them justice.
The fact that a lot of Kerry fans would rate the Armagh match as our most significant win of the year speaks volumes for Armagh.
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Post by FatTom on Sept 19, 2006 13:01:56 GMT
Nor do I. And you should be proud of your team they are an excellent bunch of players and gave us our biggest challenge in knockout All year. I have no doubt ye would have beaten Cork had the draw worked as it usually does.
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Post by kerrywoman on Sept 19, 2006 13:42:17 GMT
(Just to note, a full strength Tyrone would definitely match us though. We were handpassing away to beat the band around the middle 3rd. If we did that against Tyrone we WOULD lose.[/quote]
Have to agree with you Kerryman watched the match last night-we would have played into Tyrones hands with the handpassing. Everytime we kicked direct ball we were a dream to watch
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Post by FatTom on Sept 19, 2006 13:43:41 GMT
In fairness Tom, up to 6 weeks ago Armagh were the team to beat this year. Themselves and Tyrone have been more of the teams to fear than Kerry. call it the northern scare factor or call it whatever you want, but they were exceptional. The 1 all Ireland does not do them justice. The fact that a lot of Kerry fans would rate the Armagh match as our most significant win of the year speaks volumes for Armagh. totally agree. bby far our biggest challenge all year.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 19, 2006 13:43:53 GMT
i dont agree that armagh team under achieved,whats wrong with one all-ireland medal?,how many great players have never won one,dermot early,james nallen,kieran mc donald,glen ryan,kevin o brien etc. etc.,gaa history is a grave yard full of players who never won the holy grail,that no insult on them they tried their best.One all-ireland is a huge achievement in my opinion,no one or no team have a god given right to win an all-ireland,those who do are fortunate.
some of those armagh players have won,one senior all-ireland,6 ulster senior championships,0ne national league,an all-ireland runners up medal,10 club armagh senior championships,5 ulster club senior championships,3 all-ireland senior club medals and several all-stars.
under achievers my arse,like fcuk are they.
the armagh game this year was the only morning i couldnt eat my breakfast before going up to croker this year.I also woke several times during the night before the game.
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Post by lostinmayo on Sept 19, 2006 13:46:44 GMT
well Gentlemen & Ladies, back in work today and it is sweet, what an amazing performance, these guys were so focused and determined they got it spot on including management. Was reading in Examiner that decision to bring off Tomas 'O Se was tactical and that Billy Jo Padden was winning ball off him in the first half, this was true but very harsh to be brought off. It just shows how the management teams make quick tough decisions and stand by them, like the team selection obviously. Sean Walsh is offering them another 3 years in charge, i really hope they stay and i think they might, i think they have unfinished business and need to beat Tyrone.
The Mayo people are absolutely sick here and and sick of me, i'm not too bad considering all my in-laws are from Mayo, they reckon that a crowd of women would do better and are really giving out *e, which i suppose is undertstandable. The biggest factor for me was that Kerry were physically a lot stronger than Mayo allover the park, starting with Tommy Griffing bursting through players and O' Mahony taking the ball of McDonald, superb. I would like to see Moynihan retiring now at the top and i really hope he gets the 3rd All-Star, i fear he won't though.
As for the BigMac, FatTom debate, FatTom you are nitpicking with Canavan, he got the predictions wrong, a helluva a lotta people got it wrong including on this forum. As for Armagh and Tyrone being trend setters, they are, they may have only 3 All-Irelands, but the fact is that Kerry have both those teams to thank for that performance on Sunday, Kerry have upped the ante in the last few years in the training and physical side of things so that they would be prepared to beat those 2 Northern teams. It just happened to be Mayo that felt the full physical force of that Kerry team on Sunday.
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Post by homerj on Sept 19, 2006 13:50:58 GMT
just watchin the video now(AGAIN!) with the pre match build up and everything. a few things i have noted
1 - how focused the kerry team where in the build up, especially when meeting the president and also in the parade/anthem.some of the mayo players in contrast looked totally caught up in the occasion 2- gooch handled a pile of ball and set up alot of scores, as did declan o sullivan and paul galvin 3- tommy griffan had a brilliant game, especially first half.
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Post by peileadoir on Sept 19, 2006 14:01:05 GMT
in relation to the kerry fans,can ye imagine what the reaction in kerry would be like if the shoe was on the other foot and we were the team beaten by thirteen points. It is very hard to think rationally after Sundays performance. Im still shocked. Working in Galway and the lads here are putting in the boot... but there is nowhere to run or hide. Its hard to think straight but I think when the shock subsides there will be a lot of anger in the county. How would people in Kerry react to the players, management and county board if they had been beaten like that by Mayo ??
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Post by homerj on Sept 19, 2006 14:07:23 GMT
remember peileadoir, we were beaten by 15 points in 2001 by meath, it was not nice, it still reigns in most of our memories. i genuinely feel sorry for everyone connected to mayo gaa, i have alot of good friends from mayo and i know its not easy. also, remember that we lost 2 finals, in 2002 and 2005. people say that we win alot and mayo deserve one as they have not won in 55 years,but our hurt was fresher, especially after last year. mayos day will come.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 19, 2006 14:08:27 GMT
i though ray silkes article in yesterdays examiner leaves a lot to be desired where he seemed to be having a cut at some of the mayo players especially james nallen for not winning an all-ireland medal.
the "lisping loon" as elequently coined by an esteemed member of this forum readily comes springing to mind.
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Post by lostinmayo on Sept 19, 2006 14:17:43 GMT
yes, i read that article by Silke aswell, very bad taste, now he is a prat
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Post by BIGMAC on Sept 19, 2006 14:41:46 GMT
its nice to see that some on this forum can spare a though for those they left in their wake,nice touch lads
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Post by Dermot on Sept 19, 2006 14:44:40 GMT
Fat Tom ............. Good grief, you couldn't just enjoy the moment ?...... you had to get your knickers in a twist about what this one said and that one said. I feel sorry for you in that whilst you have just won an All Ireland, you feel the need to attack people like Peter Canavan for getting a prediction wrong...... Look, everyone knows you "hate" him (your words in the past), but surely you should concentrate on celebrating your victory. Why would you want to start arguing with BM about Armagh (& Tyrone) and slagging other teams off.................... . . Your posts on p39 & p42 are seriously twisted, especially in light of what Kerry have just achieved. . I'm afraid I just don't understand
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Post by BIGMAC on Sept 19, 2006 14:46:24 GMT
u tell him dermot
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Post by FatTom on Sept 19, 2006 14:47:24 GMT
well Gentlemen & Ladies, back in work today and it is sweet, what an amazing performance, these guys were so focused and determined they got it spot on including management. Was reading in Examiner that decision to bring off Tomas 'O Se was tactical and that Billy Jo Padden was winning ball off him in the first half, this was true but very harsh to be brought off. It just shows how the management teams make quick tough decisions and stand by them, like the team selection obviously. Sean Walsh is offering them another 3 years in charge, i really hope they stay and i think they might, i think they have unfinished business and need to beat Tyrone. The Mayo people are absolutely sick here and and sick of me, i'm not too bad considering all my in-laws are from Mayo, they reckon that a crowd of women would do better and are really giving out *e, which i suppose is undertstandable. The biggest factor for me was that Kerry were physically a lot stronger than Mayo allover the park, starting with Tommy Griffing bursting through players and O' Mahony taking the ball of McDonald, superb. I would like to see Moynihan retiring now at the top and i really hope he gets the 3rd All-Star, i fear he won't though. As for the BigMac, FatTom debate, FatTom you are nitpicking with Canavan, he got the predictions wrong, a helluva a lotta people got it wrong including on this forum. As for Armagh and Tyrone being trend setters, they are, they may have only 3 All-Irelands, but the fact is that Kerry have both those teams to thank for that performance on Sunday, Kerry have upped the ante in the last few years in the training and physical side of things so that they would be prepared to beat those 2 Northern teams. It just happened to be Mayo that felt the full physical force of that Kerry team on Sunday. The thing that annoys me is when people say they are the trend setters and not us. Our record recently is better than both. Also the other thing is I hate when people group Ulster as a force. I think BigMac will agree with me when I say that it is only 2 big teams up there. Dublin, Cork, Mayo, Galway are as good if not better than the rest.
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Post by FatTom on Sept 19, 2006 14:48:46 GMT
As for people predicting and giving Mayo a chance. Did anyone ever really believe that?
I only had doubts ahead of one knockout gane this year. The Armagh one. I knew we'd hammer Cork in Croke Park. And, sorry Mayo fans, but I knew ye would choke again yesterday.
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