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Post by kerryman on Sept 18, 2006 15:48:52 GMT
I meant to add, I drove through Fermoy yesterday and passed Tom Sé's school - they had a big Kerry flag outside, loads of green and gold posters wishing him luck etc. Twas great, and I'd say the kids will get no homework for the next week.
He hadn't a great year I spose, but I'm full sure he'll be back in all-star ville in 12 months.
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Post by FatTom on Sept 18, 2006 16:12:00 GMT
What do all the people who said they had lost all faith in Jack O Connor think now?
I think it was tough on Gooch to lose the captaincy and harsh on Brosnan but a tough call had to be made and Jack made it. And it worked a treat. Well done.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 18, 2006 16:18:06 GMT
One final thought on the day (tis still the day of the All Ireland final here). Jack O'Connor has come in for some incredibly harsh treatment this summer, from this camp included. His selection of Declan O'Sullivan earlier in the year baffled me for months. But Jack has proved why he is the best manager Kerry have had since Micko and the golden warriors. He went away, responded positively, and made hard calls where hard calls had to be made, including Declans inclusion in the All Ireland final, one welcomed by this poster oddly enough. But enough of that. Jack responded, he made the right calls, and he proved his weight in gold. Apoligies where due Jack. Congrats.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 18, 2006 16:24:07 GMT
I meant to add, I drove through Fermoy yesterday and passed Tom Sé's school - they had a big Kerry flag outside, loads of green and gold posters wishing him luck etc. Twas great, and I'd say the kids will get no homework for the next week. He hadn't a great year I spose, but I'm full sure he'll be back in all-star ville in 12 months. a quite year kerryman,but when the need was at its greatest,ie v armagh in the second half i though he was truely immense.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 18, 2006 16:27:44 GMT
just because people question calls or tactics it doesnt mean people have lost faith in joc.
jack mention a few times this summer how critism drove them on and gelled the team.
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Post by FatTom on Sept 18, 2006 18:07:02 GMT
I know Kerrygold. I questioned it too. However some people stated they had lost all respect etc for Jack O'Connor and that is ridiculous for a man who has rought us to 3 consecutive AI finals.
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Post by seamus on Sept 18, 2006 18:14:21 GMT
Congrats to all the lads and management. A truely powerful performance. I hope my hero moynihan bows out now at the top and people will remember his greatness as he deserves.
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Sept 18, 2006 18:20:13 GMT
Congrats to everyone of the 30 players on the panel. What a display of pure football. Words escape me to describe the joy during that 70 mins in the Hill.These guys give so much to feed us animals! Thanks for no 34. But when I heard Mortimer on the news on Sat evening saying "we'd need another 10% on the Dublin performance", i realised they had bought into the Hype. Dublin are poor, media driven and if Mayo had expected to beat Kerry with another 10% on that display then they really had read too much of the papers. Did anyone notice Seamus getting hit late near the side line (Cusack) with about 10 mins to go in the game. The scene was of a Gladiator not willing to surrender. He stayed on His hands and knees, undoubtedly hurting from the late tackle to the midsection after laying off the ball.Any other mortal would have dropped down and waited for the doctors and physios to come in, administer the first aid, take a breather. Not The Glenflesk Gladiator.It was as if to prove to Himself & to all the spectators in the Colosseum that He could take this & wanted more.He painfully moved His arms and legs to break into a crawl. Inch by inch He was getting stronger.Then He raised his head,a determination and resolve to see out the battle had once again taken control of the body.The strength of mind bolstered by the shirt & these men who he battles with and for.He climbs to His feet again,breaks into a jog, and rejoins the battle.This is what He was born to do,injuries/fatigue can wait until Monday. What a Legend. Dear God Socks I hope you're a woman or gay 'cos otherwise you're in serious denial
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Sept 18, 2006 18:23:54 GMT
And definitely no journalist. 'Twas brilliant from Kerry but the day of days was Croker for the quarter-final. Sickening match, like repeatedly kicking a wounded yet naively hopeful orphan or something. I couldn't raise a cheer for that fourth goal even. Mom's from Claremorris, though, so I'm a half-caste
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Post by trevor73 on Sept 18, 2006 18:52:17 GMT
Thanks Murhur
Can someone post the link for The Sunday Game when it is uploaded. Can't wait to see it.
Trev
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 18, 2006 19:42:40 GMT
So, number 34 annexed, another soft one apparently.
Some of the newspapers made reference to it today, a few of the ex pats I work with here are saying it and I've got texts from home as well.
It got me thinking:
2006: Kerry win soft All Ireland because Mayo weren't mentally up to it. 2004: Kerry win soft All Ireland because Mayo have a soft spot and we beat nobody en route 2000: Should have lost the final, Kevin Walshs injury in the replay handed a soft victory. 1997: If the Mayo sideline had taken Pat Holmes of Maurice Fitzgerald, they'd have won. 1986: Up against a weakened Tyrone team without Eugene McKenna and Frank McGuigan 1985: Up against an aging Dublin team - beat nobody en route. 1984: Dublin were still not right after '83 against Galway - Kerry had thrown '83 to win the centenary 1981: Came up against a learning Offaly team and nobody else.
Anybody spot a trend here?
To the outside world, we're as soft as the Pillsbury Dough Boy.
Then look at Kerry reactions to our own loses:
2005: Beaten by the better team 2002: Management threw it away in the second half on the sideline 1982: (Yup, we hadn't lost an All Ireland final in 20 years) - Push in the back but great team won. 1976: No complaints - young novices by and large beaten by a hungry Dublin team.
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Post by FatTom on Sept 18, 2006 20:38:56 GMT
Just reading Canavan's pre All Ireland column now - listen to this for misinformed crap.
"Years of capitulating to northern teams had fuelled a passion that resulted in a famous victory. The previously lethargic Darragh O Se and Seamus Moynihan chose the Armagh game to spring to life with some vengeance."
How many AI's do you have Peter if we capitualted to ye Northies so much? 2 is it. Seamus has 4. Darragh has 4.
Lethargic - Darragh was unreal in the league this year. A fact that escapes you.
"The bookies must value tradition as they have placed Kerry firm favourites to add to their thirty three titles already won. I do not believe the outcome will be as clear cut" - good man Peter weighing in with your extreme knowledge.
"I will expect Mike McCarthy to pick up Mortimer with Tom O’Sullivan following McDonald. McCarthy is a superb reader of the game and can time his tackle to perfection. He will be relying on his outfield players to ensure that poor quality passes are kicked into Mortimer. If the supply is good then Mortimer is razor sharp and playing the football of his life – advantage Mayo. If the onerous task of stifling McDonald goes to O’Sullivan then he could be in for a torrid time. Despite the flashy appearance there is no soft centre to McDonald. " - advantage Mayo my ass.
"If this happens then Tom will add to Kerry’s approach play as he is so efficient with the ball." - Is poor old Peter confusing the 2 Rathmore men.
"After these four key match-ups I don’t see any clear advantage to either team" - I dunoo Peter maybe stick to teaching/winning cheap All Stars. So Gooch, Galvin, Marc Se, Aidan Mahoney et al weren't advantages!
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Post by topcat on Sept 18, 2006 20:43:37 GMT
Just back from a great w-end. I was proud to be a Kerryman and a Dromid man too. Stats have Declan as having touched the ball the most and i think he deserves great credit for his performance, his unselfishness in calling Gooch to lift the cup with him and his great speech. Great performances by everyone and Brosnan had a stormer when he came on(how unlucky that his run at the start didnt yield a score) I was in the hill and completely outnumbered by the Mayo crowd, i have to say i was dissapointed by their attitude, drunken and about to head away before the two late goals before half time. one fellow in his excitement turned around and squared up to my brother calling him a Kerry cnut.(even though we still had a massive lead) I know these few were probably in the minority but it left a bad taste in my mouth. It seems that they bought into the hype of beating Dublin who are an average media driven side who always remind me of the english soccer team, average but hyped to the max by the media.
All in all though a great w-end, one that'll live long in the memory.
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Post by Riocht on Sept 18, 2006 20:49:50 GMT
Austinstackabú - Don't you think that says it all - Why we have the greatest Team in Ireland - and the best supporters also. It takes breeding and class. As I kept saying over the weekend "We have experience on our side, thank God" and those "fly by night" Counties that win their first or second AI don't understand any better.
(Bye the way being cute helps also!)
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Post by inforthebreaks on Sept 18, 2006 21:44:58 GMT
Just back from a great w-end. I was proud to be a Kerryman and a Dromid man too. Stats have Declan as having touched the ball the most and i think he deserves great credit for his performance, his unselfishness in calling Gooch to lift the cup with him and his great speech. Great performances by everyone and Brosnan had a stormer when he came on(how unlucky that his run at the start didnt yield a score) I was in the hill and completely outnumbered by the Mayo crowd, i have to say i was dissapointed by their attitude, drunken and about to head away before the two late goals before half time. one fellow in his excitement turned around and squared up to my brother calling him a Kerry cnut.(even though we still had a massive lead) I know these few were probably in the minority but it left a bad taste in my mouth. It seems that they bought into the hype of beating Dublin who are an average media driven side who always remind me of the english soccer team, average but hyped to the max by the media. All in all though a great w-end, one that'll live long in the memory. it sure was. Make sure ye dont burn down the inny tavern on tuesday night though...
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Post by FatTom on Sept 18, 2006 22:10:58 GMT
Eugene MacGee has to be the worst journalist ever.
"Another unpredictable item was the failure of Kieran Donaghy to have another field day.
Yesterday he was just an 'ordinary' player, but a very useful one, as his contribution of 1-2 indicated.
Neither did Colm Cooper seem to set the world on fire this time, but he too rowed in with 1-2 and he distracted the Mayo backs[/b]. " - He obviosuly didn't watch the Cork game or Armagh.
Apparentely 1-2 in all ireland final is ordinary!
Seamus Moynihan has been one the greatest defenders Kerry has ever produced but up to yesterday he was having only a middling season.
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Post by FatTom on Sept 18, 2006 22:15:10 GMT
I read another article in the Indo about trend setting by Armagh and Tyrone.
1 All Ireland by Armagh and they are trend setters.
Is losing to Fermanagh setting a trend?
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Post by homerj on Sept 18, 2006 22:31:38 GMT
my player ratings
murphy - (7) - could do noting wit the 3 goals, good handling and one great save. mark o shea - (8) pretty faultless and another great game to end a great year. destroyed dillon. mike mac - (7) - played well but even though he was hung out to dry for the goals, his direct marker got 2 goals, still, a solid end to the year tom sullivan - (8) - thought he was superb and kept the top scorer in this years championship scoreless. aidan o mahony (9) - my man of the match and got the sunday game honour. like mark, should get an all star. 2 great points, seamus moynihan (9) - if this was his last game, then he went out in style. unreal game from the pony thomas o shea (6) - quite first half and was replaced, wonder was he injured? dara o shea - (8) possibly the player of the year and did his job yesterday, not as good as the previous 2 games but he didnt need to be, beat his man hands down. tomm griffan (9) - i watched the video again today and i saw just ow much ball he played, as some1 already said, was in running for man of match at half time, he then move onto padden, who was taken off 14 minutes later, another man who introduction to the team helped the transformation. Sean Sullivan (7) - had a job to do on peader garnder and did it well, one great point good season. Declan O sullivan (9) - credit where credit is due, handled more ball than anybody else on the field. great game. Paul Galvin -(8) another superb game and sould get another all star. one of the most important players on the kerry team. googh cooper - (8) - solid game, not like his wonderful performance of 2004 but that was simply majestic. delighted for him and the smile on his face lifting the cup said it all. kieran donaghy - (8) - another great game, what a season and a new hero. goal of the season? i think so! mike frank russell - (8) was invloved in alot more ball than we think, got the opening 2 scores that set the trend for the game. delighted for him
eoghan brosnan - (8) was one of the best players on the field in the second half, very very good and another goal along with a great point.
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Post by whoscryinnow on Sept 18, 2006 22:52:18 GMT
my player ratings kieran donaghy - (8) - another great game, what a season and a new hero. goal of the season? i think so! mike frank russell - (8) was invloved in alot more ball than we think, got the opening 2 scores that set the trend for the game. delighted for him Definately Goal of the Year, nothing on when that ball came to him, by the time he landed, turned and looked at keeper, well ........
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Post by FatTom on Sept 19, 2006 0:06:07 GMT
Relax FatTom! What are you getting worked up about!! We're the All-Ireland Champions - have nothing left to prove after that display - so don't worry about what people are saying! - no need to be nitpicking. Enjoy the moment! Humble in victory and all that! Also, this year is so special because we beat Armagh along the way (ask the players) - so don't take away from the value of that Qtr-final win - Armagh and Tyrone HAVE upped the bar in recent times - and Kerry have responded in the only way we know!!!! I am quite humble but that sort of * annoys me.
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Post by FatTom on Sept 19, 2006 0:21:10 GMT
Another thing. KErry have put up some massive scorelines this year but most people see us as getting only 2 All stars in the forwards.
what does this tell ye? If dublin scored 4-15 in an All Ireland final they'd probably get 7 All stars in the forwards!
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Post by animal on Sept 19, 2006 8:17:56 GMT
lads, could someone post up a few decent photos? I need a new wallpaper for desktop.
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Post by thehighfield on Sept 19, 2006 8:32:50 GMT
Was out with a load of Mayo people on Sunday night. I think they were suitably embarrassed and totally shell-shocked. Delighted for Declan O'Sullivan, correct me if I am wrong but I don't think he got caught in possession once despite as somebody said above having the most touches during the match. He must be one proud man today.
As for homerj's ratings, I'd definitely dock another point from Diarmuid Murphy. Having watched it on tv again last night I thought there was little he could do for the goals and he made an important save very early in the game but I thought his fielding was quite poor and he dropped balls he normally wouldn't drop but got away with it because there was a Kerry defender nearby.
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Post by kerryman on Sept 19, 2006 8:39:02 GMT
Austinstackabú - Don't you think that says it all - Why we have the greatest Team in Ireland - and the best supporters also. The best team in the country? YES. The best supporters? What are you on about - a few thousand showed up for the Munster final replay and cheered when the team captain got subbed (and that includes a few clients on this guestbook). Declan got more sh*t from these so called fans when he came on against Longford. Supporters are there to expect the best from the team and to stand squarely behind them when the chips are down. Our support can be absolutely disgraceful compared to what the team has earned. We're not the ones training umpteen times a week all year round for nothing but the love of the county and the game.
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Post by peileadoir on Sept 19, 2006 9:13:02 GMT
Im so, so hurt and distraught. Still in bits. I cant imagine how (some) of the players are feeling.
Kerry are some machine... I read over the program again and see that Donaguhy and Gooch are in their early 20's. Which means they have years of football left in them. Thats heartbreaking because while Kerry have players like them we (or any other team) havnt a hope for years.
Simple fact is if kerry play to half what the played against us they wont be touched for years.
I cant come to terms with what happened at all. Such a range of emotions from fury to despair.
I dont think there is even a point in posting anything about the match because at this stage a Mayo opinion doesnt count.
Utterly, utterly disappointed and upset.
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Post by kerryman on Sept 19, 2006 9:17:57 GMT
Im so, so hurt and distraught. Still in bits. I cant imagine how (some) of the players are feeling. Kerry are some machine... I read over the program again and see that Donaguhy and Gooch are in their early 20's. Which means they have years of football left in them. Thats heartbreaking because while Kerry have players like them we (or any other team) havnt a hope for years. Simple fact is if kerry play to half what the played against us they wont be touched for years. I cant come to terms with what happened at all. Such a range of emotions from fury to despair. I dont think there is even a point in posting anything about the match because at this stage a Mayo opinion doesnt count. Utterly, utterly disappointed and upset. Commiserations Peileadoir. Its tough being a real football fan and being at the wrong end of a hammering alright. Just to note, a full strength Tyrone would definitely match us though. We were handpassing away to beat the band around the middle 3rd. If we did that against Tyrone we WOULD lose.
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Post by Owenabue on Sept 19, 2006 9:27:59 GMT
Kerryman, I’ll have to agree with you on that. I commented before about the way some Kerry so called supporters treated, most notable Declan O’ Sullivan. I got some strange looks from friends in Cork when I said I wanted Kerry to win because I felt he got a very raw deal. Also you are correct, the thousands that showed up on Sunday where not in Pairc Ui Chaoimh when the team needed them. Or is that fact it’s Kerry you know no matter what happens come September you’ll still probably get to the final? Word of warning, the Cork hurling supporters had that mentality too.
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Post by BIGMAC on Sept 19, 2006 9:33:49 GMT
I read another article in the Indo about trend setting by Armagh and Tyrone. 1 All Ireland by Armagh and they are trend setters. Is losing to Fermanagh setting a trend? just curious ft is no one allowed an opinion other than kerry are gods and should be worshipped without quiery,com'on tom thats what makes for good debate,pundits are allways being proved wrong thats why we love/hate them.i predicted to one member (by pm) of this forum and a senior 1 at that,that kerry would win by at least 8 points and was told that they thought the game would be a lot tighter that that maybe a point or 2,indeed on this forum posters were predicting a very close match so just because some one puts it in print in a daily rag does'nt make them a prat any more than some1 doin it here,remember they get (well) paid for their opinions and as i allways say "opinions are lie a55holes,everyone has 1". just 1 more thing tom i dont recall armagh being beat by fermanagh this championship as far as i recall we only had 1 loss,1 which we did'nt have the chance to rectify like some teams did
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Post by kerryman on Sept 19, 2006 9:34:47 GMT
Also you are correct, the thousands that showed up on Sunday where not in Pairc Ui Chaoimh when the team needed them. Or is that fact it’s Kerry you know no matter what happens come September you’ll still probably get to the final? Word of warning, the Cork hurling supporters had that mentality too. The Kerry supporters are like that since the 80's. I saw faces outside the Flowing Tide on Sunday that I see at matches once a year. These are probably the same people fuelling the rumours in July.
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Post by ciarrai33 on Sept 19, 2006 9:35:25 GMT
congrats to the Kerry team and managment. Everything worked out fantastic and some of the scores were a delight to watch. Pity there were so many people struggling on sunday morning looking for tickets.
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