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Post by dc84 on Jul 7, 2023 16:39:10 GMT
I hate the ref moaning but agree refs should come from neutral provinces to soften the moans of the brayers. Gough is a top ref. Gough liked a comment on Twitter in 2019 that compared the winner of the Kerry/Tyrone game as the cow going forward to the abattoir known as Dublin. He then got picked as the ref for the final. That's wrong. Checked again and still liked by our neutral friend. He is a good ref but the referee admins need to not put their refs in positions where their bias is called into question. I think Kerry should be too strong for Derry that another vintage Joe performance won't affect. I hope we learn how to block Cork attacks next year based off McQuillan's positioning in the Derry/Cork game. Yeah he rode Cork in fairness was it 3 times the frees derry got vs Cork. He also got in the way of Cork players 3 or 4 times !
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Post by dc84 on Jul 7, 2023 16:45:40 GMT
Heard gough speaking on mcgoldrick apparently they only get 1 shot at the fitness test which seems mad.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 7, 2023 17:03:26 GMT
Gough liked a comment on Twitter in 2019 that compared the winner of the Kerry/Tyrone game as the cow going forward to the abattoir known as Dublin. He then got picked as the ref for the final. That's wrong. Checked again and still liked by our neutral friend. He is a good ref but the referee admins need to not put their refs in positions where their bias is called into question. I think Kerry should be too strong for Derry that another vintage Joe performance won't affect. I hope we learn how to block Cork attacks next year based off McQuillan's positioning in the Derry/Cork game. I'm not on twitter but I'm told many fake accounts on it including our own Pat Spillane. If I was a betting man I would nt say it was the real ref David Gough that liked that comment. It's his real account. I hope you're not a betting man. It's the same account that tweets answers to #askgough so I can't imagine it's a fake.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 7, 2023 17:08:44 GMT
Read here and everywhere else, it's a forgone conclusion that Dublin will be in the final .... does anyone give Monaghan a chance?
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Post by john4 on Jul 7, 2023 17:38:21 GMT
Read here and everywhere else, it's a forgone conclusion that Dublin will be in the final .... does anyone give Monaghan a chance? It would be the shock of the year, if not the decade!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 7, 2023 19:23:57 GMT
Gough liked a comment on Twitter in 2019 that compared the winner of the Kerry/Tyrone game as the cow going forward to the abattoir known as Dublin. He then got picked as the ref for the final. That's wrong. Checked again and still liked by our neutral friend. He is a good ref but the referee admins need to not put their refs in positions where their bias is called into question. I think Kerry should be too strong for Derry that another vintage Joe performance won't affect. I hope we learn how to block Cork attacks next year based off McQuillan's positioning in the Derry/Cork game. Yeah he rode Cork in fairness was it 3 times the frees derry got vs Cork. He also got in the way of Cork players 3 or 4 times ! Maybe Derry had the ball more and/or are more disciplined. I don't understand how a lop-sided free count should mean anything.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 7, 2023 21:37:36 GMT
Anyone who likes anything from Ewen Mc Kenna deserves to be treated with a degree of scepticism. He is an attention seeking bellend
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on Jul 7, 2023 22:00:35 GMT
It's his real account. I hope you're not a betting man. It's the same account that tweets answers to #askgough so I can't imagine it's a fake. If it is, it is. I just saying I believe there are many false accounts. Pat Spillane was supposed to be real but seemingly it's not. Honestly I don't know but id be sceptical. Pat's tagline on twitter is "This is in no way affiliated with the real Pat Spillane. #8AIIrelands ** Parody** #NotPatSpillane" so it'd be a fair bet that it isn't him...
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Post by ciarraigodeo on Jul 8, 2023 20:50:24 GMT
I have to say I’m not loving the ‘Kerry will walk that semi-final’ narrative I’m seeing from almost everywhere (bar here!). This has a real banana skin feel to it but I’m telling myself that neither Jack nor the players will allow any complacency to seep in. A potential AI Final against the boys in blue might await them but I hope they’ll do everything in their power to focus on the game in hand. It will absolutely not be an enjoyable spectacle…hopefully we will put them to bed with time to go. I just don’t think they have the forwards to outscore us and our defenders will be on a high after the many, many turnovers the last day out. Id love to see a huge day out from DO’C again, he will probably need it with those 2 talented boyos.
Also, neither here nor there, but can confirm that is 100% David Gough’s Twitter account.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 8, 2023 21:50:42 GMT
Anyone who likes anything from Ewen Mc Kenna deserves to be treated with a degree of scepticism. He is an attention seeking bellend Ewan is a good barometer of your own paranoia. We all go through phases of thinking we have been fecked over or such and such an official is out to get Kerry. If Ewan is in agreement then you’ve prob gone too far and are in conspiracy theory territory
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Post by homerj on Jul 8, 2023 23:50:59 GMT
any kerry person expecting a handy game, , may as well not bother supporting the team anymore.
the worst of the 3 team to get IMO, going to be a complete and utter dogfight and a team thats got a system down to a T and imposssible to play against.
nightmare draw
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Post by Hicser on Jul 9, 2023 7:36:11 GMT
Game over after 15 minutes once Kerry get 3-4 points ahead, Will run out 7-8 point winners,
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 9, 2023 8:20:17 GMT
any kerry person expecting a handy game, , may as well not bother supporting the team anymore. the worst of the 3 team to get IMO, going to be a complete and utter dogfight and a team thats got a system down to a T and imposssible to play against. nightmare draw I'd disagree. I think had Kerry gotten Monaghan, we would have been undercooked for the final. We need a few questions asked. Had we somehow gotten Dublin (let's ignore the possibility they couldn't draw each other), I think like last year we would be flat in the final and unlike last year Derry would be a tougher nut to crack than Galway. Let's be honest, we were blessed it was Galway in the final. Finally, Derry will ask questions of Kerry. This will hopefully tune us up for the final v likely Dublin. And if we can't beat Derry, then we don't deserve to win to begin with, and shouldn't be relying on getting soft side of the draw to win it out. A nightmare draw, but the right draw.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 9, 2023 8:39:22 GMT
My fear is Derry turn up like Tyrone did in 2003 and catch us completely off gard.
Hopefully time has moved on from then and ambushes like that won't happen.
You'd have to think Derry will want to improve on their Semi Final last year when they never turned up.
I do think their tactics are limited and what Kerry need to do is to get 3 or 4 ahead and Derry then have to come out and play.
Derry do give you chances and they haven't faced a full forward line like ours.
I was talking with a member of the Louth backroom team yesterday and he was just said the difference in how Kerry and Dublin play was phenomenal compared to everyone else.
A long week ahead.
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Post by mike70 on Jul 9, 2023 9:39:00 GMT
We are usually nervous in kerry , as John B. Said “ Being a Kerryman, in my opinion, is the greatest gift that God can bestow on any man. When you belong to Kerry you know you have a head start on the other fellow. It is almost unbearable being a Kerryman and it is an awesome responsibility." So understandable we do be nervous, high standards.
A game we will win, but won’t be pretty, Derry are in a better place than Tyrone, 2 ulster finals back to back, they bring the good and bad, the bad is pretty bad, game slowed right down, hand passing around the field, waiting for that moment and when the moment does come, there definitely is good, some great scores kicked. So challenge for kerry is be patient, Tyrone we’re in the game till HT last day out, but they pushed on to kerry to their detriment that won’t happen with Derry, they are a seriously athletic team, how they manage Clifford will be interesting, our whole 15 will need to defend, but I expect it to open up in later stages, with Kerry to push on. I expect us to win out defensively , should be our platform again to push on and win.
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Post by KY50 on Jul 9, 2023 10:01:55 GMT
My fear is Derry turn up like Tyrone did in 2003 and catch us completely off gard. Hopefully time has moved on from then and ambushes like that won't happen. You'd have to think Derry will want to improve on their Semi Final last year when they never turned up. I do think their tactics are limited and what Kerry need to do is to get 3 or 4 ahead and Derry then have to come out and play. Derry do give you chances and they haven't faced a full forward line like ours. I was talking with a member of the Louth backroom team yesterday and he was just said the difference in how Kerry and Dublin play was phenomenal compared to everyone else. A long week ahead.
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Post by KY50 on Jul 9, 2023 10:05:26 GMT
My fear is Derry turn up like Tyrone did in 2003 and catch us completely off gard. Hopefully time has moved on from then and ambushes like that won't happen. You'd have to think Derry will want to improve on their Semi Final last year when they never turned up. I do think their tactics are limited and what Kerry need to do is to get 3 or 4 ahead and Derry then have to come out and play. Derry do give you chances and they haven't faced a full forward line like ours. I was talking with a member of the Louth backroom team yesterday and he was just said the difference in how Kerry and Dublin play was phenomenal compared to everyone else. A long week ahead. Agree, Derry much stronger than Tyrone, they were not going at full tilt against Cork, easily kept them at bay and scored a goal when they needed it. A major challenge awaits us
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Post by dc84 on Jul 9, 2023 11:03:08 GMT
Wonder would it be a good game to start sob instead of geaney he won't shirk the defensive stuff and looked sharp when he came on last day. We can leave Clifford up but not sure we can leave 2 up all the time.
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Post by fitz on Jul 9, 2023 22:04:44 GMT
Agree, Derry much stronger than Tyrone, they were not going at full tilt against Cork, easily kept them at bay and scored a goal when they needed it. A major challenge awaits us They beat Armagh on penalties and made plenty of hard work with Cork, much stronger than Tyrone? Not sure that evidence is there, they will still be tough however
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Post by mike70 on Jul 10, 2023 4:54:16 GMT
Agree, Derry much stronger than Tyrone, they were not going at full tilt against Cork, easily kept them at bay and scored a goal when they needed it. A major challenge awaits us They beat Armagh on penalties and made plenty of hard work with Cork, much stronger than Tyrone? Not sure that evidence is there, they will still be tough however 100% better than Tyrone, they have only played twice last 2 years and Derry winning both games, as mentioned, back to back ulster titles, take your comment on games v Armagh and cork, but they controlled both those games and done times their system is low scoring so kerps others in touch, they had cork well under control. So for me a bigger challenge than Tyrone for sure.
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Post by percentageplay on Jul 10, 2023 7:21:16 GMT
Agree, Derry much stronger than Tyrone, they were not going at full tilt against Cork, easily kept them at bay and scored a goal when they needed it. A major challenge awaits us They beat Armagh on penalties and made plenty of hard work with Cork, much stronger than Tyrone? Not sure that evidence is there, they will still be tough however Short memories, Kerry also made hard work of Cork! This certainly won't be a game for the neutrals and will be a test of Kerry's ability to break down the blanket. Tyrone certainly did not bring their usual defense against Kerry and they lacked intensity, Derry will bring both. Derry will happily camp inside their half and Kerry will stop any quick counter attack early. Therefore I think we will see a very low scoring game that will see a Kerry win and headlines on Monday about the dire state of intercounty football.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 10, 2023 8:09:13 GMT
Comparing Derry and Tyrone is interesting,
Derry have been the more consistent team over the past 2 years. Unlucky to miss out on league promotion in 2022 they were excellent this year in gaining promotion.
Back to back Ulster Championships.
2 consecutive all ireland semi final whilst losing their manager.
2 All Ireland minor titles in 4 years shows there's a lot of solid work going on in Derry.
However player for player I still think Tyrone are a better attacking unit.
McCurry Canavan x2 Donnelly McShane
Compared to 1 real danger man in Derry.
If Kerry play as well defensively as they did last week then I don't see Derry hitting enough scores to win on Sunday.
To beat Kerry or Dublin you need around 1.18 I just don't see that on the evidence so far and looking at Derrys concession rate they do give up chances.
Kerry to win and hopefully not pick up and injuries.
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Post by oldschool on Jul 10, 2023 9:24:53 GMT
Wonder would it be a good game to start sob instead of geaney he won't shirk the defensive stuff and looked sharp when he came on last day. We can leave Clifford up but not sure we can leave 2 up all the time. That would be a very good plan. I don’t know about P Geaney lately. He’s certainly not up to where he should be.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 10, 2023 10:11:20 GMT
Wonder would it be a good game to start sob instead of geaney he won't shirk the defensive stuff and looked sharp when he came on last day. We can leave Clifford up but not sure we can leave 2 up all the time. That would be a very good plan. I don’t know about P Geaney lately. He’s certainly not up to where he should be. I agree, However it's hard to see who you drop from that HF line after the last day.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 10, 2023 16:07:31 GMT
That would be a very good plan. I don’t know about P Geaney lately. He’s certainly not up to where he should be. I agree, However it's hard to see who you drop from that HF line after the last day. You dont drop anyone that's my point traditional forward positions aren't going to be as relevant anyway. But I'd we are thinking that way 2 wf same as last day paidi and seanie switching between ff and 11 with o brien in and out aswell obviously David inside always !
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Post by dc84 on Jul 10, 2023 18:41:39 GMT
You dont drop anyone that's my point traditional forward positions aren't going to be as relevant anyway. But I'd we are thinking that way 2 wf same as last day paidi and seanie switching between ff and 11 with o brien in and out aswell obviously David inside always ! But if you want O Brien in you have to drop someone. Now I'd be worried about Derry midfield so maybe we do need a change in half forward line. Having said that I thought same b4 Tyrone game and we were brilliant. I'd have o brien in for geaney as I said , derry will ruthlessly run any forward they can into the ground my thinking is David has to be told to stay where he is as much as possible and I'm not sure geaney would have the legs for it. If I'm being honest what I'd love to see is seanie in there with him and four in hf line ( nominally ) with adrian and data dropping deeper and paidi and sob being the outball around the 40.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 10, 2023 18:46:42 GMT
Clean bill of health.
Killian back in contention.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 10, 2023 18:50:13 GMT
But if you want O Brien in you have to drop someone. Now I'd be worried about Derry midfield so maybe we do need a change in half forward line. Having said that I thought same b4 Tyrone game and we were brilliant. I'd have o brien in for geaney as I said , derry will ruthlessly run any forward they can into the ground my thinking is David has to be told to stay where he is as much as possible and I'm not sure geaney would have the legs for it. If I'm being honest what I'd love to see is seanie in there with him and four in hf line ( nominally ) with adrian and data dropping deeper and paidi and sob being the outball around the 40. I get what your saying but we still need balance shooters and although Geaney hasn't being playing his best he can chip in with a few. The other thing is our bench, Some are saying we've lost strength there but I honestly don't see that. Brosnan Spillane OBrien OBeaghlaoich Breen. All offer good options.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 10, 2023 19:38:27 GMT
I would've agreed previously and dont get me wrong I think he has been playing well as a playmaker to an extent this year but he has scored 7 points in 5 games so far this year an average of less than 2 are you saying you wouldn't back o brien or Donal sullivan for that matter to kick 2 points Sunday? O brien can play inside aswell not as effectively but still. Anyway if it was me I'd play seanie and David inside with geaney as reinforcement. Having said all that I will back the man from dromid to pick what he thinks is best he probably knows a bit more than I do !
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 10, 2023 20:58:49 GMT
Are we keeping Donal Down as a secret weapon 🤣🤣
Has he featured at all in the championship?
Few minutes maybe against Tipp.
Hard to see him on a bench with Brosnan and Spillane.
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