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Post by thehermit on Jul 3, 2023 10:08:12 GMT
I'm sure they'll be a huge crowd from Derry, after all this is only a second semi-final in near 20 years.
This is going to a very though game to approach mentally. Everyone now assumes that a Kerry v Dublin AI final is inevitable. Watching the Dubs in the second half yesterday I myself couldn't help crystal balling about match-ups - how our backs might cope with their forwards, the strength they would have to call from the bench etc etc. A dangerous mindset when facing into a game against a side there on merit as the double Ulster champions. I'm also thinking back to 2009 when we had a similarly emphatic Q-final victory only to put in a poor performance against a ho-hum Meath the next day out.
I just hope the players can come down to Earth quickly this week and refocus for the task in hand. We may well face Dublin soon but for the next two weeks we must consider them on the dark side of the moon for all the relevance they have.
We are a better team and have the better individual talent, we just need to make sure we are properly focused on what's next ahead on the road and not the bends 5km further up to use a Peter Keane analogy.
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Post by thepope on Jul 3, 2023 10:31:44 GMT
Don't see Derry scoring enough to beat us.
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Post by glengael on Jul 3, 2023 11:16:44 GMT
Could they not have this game at 3.30? If it goes to extra time etc as I assume it there is no provision for a replay, it's a tight run for those trying to make trains home at 7pm and 7.05pm, or earlier if you are heading to other destinations.
I know there's a curtain raiser but surely this start a little earlier. Minor semi-finals were played in the past and (barring extra time) were finished in time to allow senior game at 3.30.
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Post by john4 on Jul 3, 2023 12:38:38 GMT
Could they not have this game at 3.30? If it goes to extra time etc as I assume it there is no provision for a replay, it's a tight run for those trying to make trains home at 7pm and 7.05pm, or earlier if you are heading to other destinations. I know there's a curtain raiser but surely this start a little earlier. Minor semi-finals were played in the past and (barring extra time) were finished in time to allow senior game at 3.30. Get your point but surely it's the business of Irish Rail to adapt their schedule to suit their customers as opposed to the Gaa adapting theirs to suit a state owned company in Irish Rail. If Irish Rail was properly run they'd run as many trains as possible to get as many paying customers on board. Sometimes these organisations believe that the world revolves around them.
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Post by Lolly Valance on Jul 3, 2023 14:21:49 GMT
would surely have made more sense to have the Tailteann on Sunday before Derry V Kerry to bring that attendance up a little. Loads of Dubs living in Meath so the GAA are doing their best to for them keeping Meath and Dublin on the same bill
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Post by fitz on Jul 3, 2023 16:25:56 GMT
It's hard to see them scoring enough, but we need to beware of complacency and be patient and do more damage than Cork did with all the possession they had. Special treatment for Rodgers he's very influential and well able to take a score. Likewise muting Glass will help significantly. Could be an ugly enough spectacle if they keep it close. McGuigan had a bad day yesterday so has much better form than that.Time not yet to be dreaming of the Dubs.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 3, 2023 17:11:48 GMT
would surely have made more sense to have the Tailteann on Sunday before Derry V Kerry to bring that attendance up a little. If it's the same as last year, the Junior AI semi final was played on the Friday in Abbotstown with the final on Sunday. Would be tough on Junior teams to play on two days in a row. I know it happens in the Comórtas each year, but still.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 4, 2023 8:22:23 GMT
Derry is probably, well no they are the tougher of the two, but let’s be realistic, from quarter final stages on, one would expect to meet the cream of the crop…. Derry is a fitter more physical team than Tyrone, but, have the same game plan and approach. We will need a serious eighty minutes again from our midfield pairing.
The sides met in the 2017 minor final with Kerry running riot, I just flicked through the team and scorers below, only DC, PA Warren, Diarmuid and Donal Down were involved that day, panel players now in Gammel and O'Donoghue were also starters... I thought there was more being honest….
The minor sides and scorers that day were as follows:
Kerry: D Uosis; S O’Leary, M Potts, C O’Donoghue; P Warren, N Donohue, C Gammell; B Mahony, D O’Connor; A Donoghue (0-1), B Friel (0-5, 1f), F Clifford (2-0); J Griffin (0-2), D Clifford (4-4), D O’Sullivan (0-3). Subs: E Horan (0-1) for Griffin (45), Donnchadh O’Sullivan (0-1) for Donal O’Sullivan (50), C O’Reilly for F Clifford (53), R O’Neill for Donohue (58), M Slattery for A Donoghue (60).
Derry: O Hartin; O McGill, C McCluskey, S McKeever; C McShane, S McErlain, M Bradley; P McGrogan, O McWilliams (0-2); P Quigg (1-1, 1pen), R Mullan (0-1), D Rafferty; B McCarron, L McWilliams (0-2, 1f), M McGrogan (0-2). Subs: D Cassidy for McCluskey (h/t), C Brown for Rafferty (h/t), C Quinn for McCarron (h/t), O Quinn for McShane (40), T McHugh for Mullan (43), JP Devlin for M McGrogan (43).
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Post by Deise Exile on Jul 4, 2023 8:52:07 GMT
I'd imagine Jack will be having a quiet word with paudie Clifford to temper his behavior. Derry and surely Dublin would target him if they suspect he can be got at? We need paudie to finish this journey. Derry or Dublin should we make it through will take everything in our being to reach the summit again this year. It won't be easy take Derry down as they are a resilient bunch and it's not easy to follow a superlative performance with another. I trust in our management to devise the best strategy from here. It's clear Dublin are finishing with their strongest team. Not sure we have that luxury but getting all we can from the Bench will be key to success this year
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Post by Clogher on Jul 4, 2023 9:37:41 GMT
Season tickets now available in account to purchase
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Jul 4, 2023 10:52:49 GMT
Derry is probably, well no they are the tougher of the two, but let’s be realistic, from quarter final stages on, one would expect to meet the cream of the crop…. Derry is a fitter more physical team than Tyrone, but, have the same game plan and approach. We will need a serious eighty minutes again from our midfield pairing. The sides met in the 2017 minor final with Kerry running riot, I just flicked through the team and scorers below, only DC, PA Warren, Diarmuid and Donal Down were involved that day, panel players now in Gammel and O'Donoghue were also starters... I thought there was more being honest…. The minor sides and scorers that day were as follows: Kerry: D Uosis; S O’Leary, M Potts, C O’Donoghue; P Warren, N Donohue, C Gammell; B Mahony, D O’Connor; A Donoghue (0-1), B Friel (0-5, 1f), F Clifford (2-0); J Griffin (0-2), D Clifford (4-4), D O’Sullivan (0-3). Subs: E Horan (0-1) for Griffin (45), Donnchadh O’Sullivan (0-1) for Donal O’Sullivan (50), C O’Reilly for F Clifford (53), R O’Neill for Donohue (58), M Slattery for A Donoghue (60). Derry: O Hartin; O McGill, C McCluskey, S McKeever; C McShane, S McErlain, M Bradley; P McGrogan, O McWilliams (0-2); P Quigg (1-1, 1pen), R Mullan (0-1), D Rafferty; B McCarron, L McWilliams (0-2, 1f), M McGrogan (0-2). Subs: D Cassidy for McCluskey (h/t), C Brown for Rafferty (h/t), C Quinn for McCarron (h/t), O Quinn for McShane (40), T McHugh for Mullan (43), JP Devlin for M McGrogan (43). I remember that Calum Brown that came on for Derry was a big unit and a fine footballer. Could nt understand why he did nt start. Think he went to Oz afterwards as did Anton Tohill. They would be big assets to Derry as Mark Ó Connor for us. Tohill has come back from Oz, he got a couple of games in the McKenna cup and from the bench in the league but he didn’t make it. He actually wasn’t ever a highly regarded gaelic footballer even before going to Oz. Brown would be a unique asset for Derry if he was still around probably at full forward, an unbelievable athlete.
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Post by dodgyknees on Jul 4, 2023 10:57:01 GMT
Derry is probably, well no they are the tougher of the two, but let’s be realistic, from quarter final stages on, one would expect to meet the cream of the crop…. Derry is a fitter more physical team than Tyrone, but, have the same game plan and approach. We will need a serious eighty minutes again from our midfield pairing. The sides met in the 2017 minor final with Kerry running riot, I just flicked through the team and scorers below, only DC, PA Warren, Diarmuid and Donal Down were involved that day, panel players now in Gammel and O'Donoghue were also starters... I thought there was more being honest…. The minor sides and scorers that day were as follows: Kerry: D Uosis; S O’Leary, M Potts, C O’Donoghue; P Warren, N Donohue, C Gammell; B Mahony, D O’Connor; A Donoghue (0-1), B Friel (0-5, 1f), F Clifford (2-0); J Griffin (0-2), D Clifford (4-4), D O’Sullivan (0-3). Subs: E Horan (0-1) for Griffin (45), Donnchadh O’Sullivan (0-1) for Donal O’Sullivan (50), C O’Reilly for F Clifford (53), R O’Neill for Donohue (58), M Slattery for A Donoghue (60). Derry: O Hartin; O McGill, C McCluskey, S McKeever; C McShane, S McErlain, M Bradley; P McGrogan, O McWilliams (0-2); P Quigg (1-1, 1pen), R Mullan (0-1), D Rafferty; B McCarron, L McWilliams (0-2, 1f), M McGrogan (0-2). Subs: D Cassidy for McCluskey (h/t), C Brown for Rafferty (h/t), C Quinn for McCarron (h/t), O Quinn for McShane (40), T McHugh for Mullan (43), JP Devlin for M McGrogan (43). I wouldn't consider Derry to have the same game plan or approach as Tyrone. I think they'll bring a lot more hard running from deep and try get the Kerry backs running towards their own goal as much as possible. From what I've seen of Derry they are tough but fair. Don't think they'll the same level of verbals and general win at all cost mentality of Tyrone.
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Post by thehermit on Jul 4, 2023 11:10:56 GMT
Tickets on sale as of noon, same carry on as usual though offering the very end sections of both Hogan and Cusack at present.
Might wait till earlier next week and hope some more decent options come up when tickets start getting returned from clubs etc.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 4, 2023 11:13:16 GMT
I think Kerry are really tuned in now.
The Tyrone game didn't come in isolation rather on the back of the demolition of Louth.
The Louth coach Devlin, Mickey Hartes right hand man said he's never seen passing as good as Kerrys that day.
I'm surprised Derry have made it this far not because of a lack of ability but rather the loss of a manager mid season.
This will be another serious test of Jack and Diarmuid in midfield but one I expect them to pass.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 4, 2023 11:29:45 GMT
Tickets on sale as of noon, same carry on as usual though offering the very end sections of both Hogan and Cusack at present. Might wait till earlier next week and hope some more decent options come up when tickets start getting returned from clubs etc. Ah they're not that bad, just got four together for Cusack 308...
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Post by Jo90 on Jul 4, 2023 11:37:28 GMT
Derry is probably, well no they are the tougher of the two, but let’s be realistic, from quarter final stages on, one would expect to meet the cream of the crop…. Derry is a fitter more physical team than Tyrone, but, have the same game plan and approach. We will need a serious eighty minutes again from our midfield pairing. The sides met in the 2017 minor final with Kerry running riot, I just flicked through the team and scorers below, only DC, PA Warren, Diarmuid and Donal Down were involved that day, panel players now in Gammel and O'Donoghue were also starters... I thought there was more being honest…. The minor sides and scorers that day were as follows: Kerry: D Uosis; S O’Leary, M Potts, C O’Donoghue; P Warren, N Donohue, C Gammell; B Mahony, D O’Connor; A Donoghue (0-1), B Friel (0-5, 1f), F Clifford (2-0); J Griffin (0-2), D Clifford (4-4), D O’Sullivan (0-3). Subs: E Horan (0-1) for Griffin (45), Donnchadh O’Sullivan (0-1) for Donal O’Sullivan (50), C O’Reilly for F Clifford (53), R O’Neill for Donohue (58), M Slattery for A Donoghue (60). Derry: O Hartin; O McGill, C McCluskey, S McKeever; C McShane, S McErlain, M Bradley; P McGrogan, O McWilliams (0-2); P Quigg (1-1, 1pen), R Mullan (0-1), D Rafferty; B McCarron, L McWilliams (0-2, 1f), M McGrogan (0-2). Subs: D Cassidy for McCluskey (h/t), C Brown for Rafferty (h/t), C Quinn for McCarron (h/t), O Quinn for McShane (40), T McHugh for Mullan (43), JP Devlin for M McGrogan (43). Also met in 2016 1/4, Kerry won 1-24 to 2-10 www.the42.ie/kerry-derry-minors-2904284-Jul2016/
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Post by thehermit on Jul 4, 2023 11:40:55 GMT
Tickets on sale as of noon, same carry on as usual though offering the very end sections of both Hogan and Cusack at present. Might wait till earlier next week and hope some more decent options come up when tickets start getting returned from clubs etc. Ah they're not that bad, just got four together for Cusack 308... Feck better relook!
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Post by thehermit on Jul 4, 2023 11:46:28 GMT
Ah they're not that bad, just got four together for Cusack 308... Feck better relook! You were lucky Horse, all I'm getting is 301/02 or else 335/6
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Post by dc84 on Jul 4, 2023 11:56:36 GMT
I think our defence will come up trumps again and stop derry getting goal chances tyrone never really got a sniff yesterday and I think their forwards are at least as good as derry. Derry found it tough going against dublin in league final with the pace of dublins ball movement we are just as capable of doing the same. Another game for Jack and diarmuid to test themselves apparently now derry and not tyrone have the best midfield in the country ! I hear this regularly wonder what Fenton and James Mccarthy think of that 🤔
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 4, 2023 11:59:31 GMT
306 for me...
The season ticket is a decent ticket and atleast you are with your own.
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Post by homerj on Jul 4, 2023 12:27:27 GMT
The sides met in the 2017 minor final with Kerry running riot, I just flicked through the team and scorers below, only DC, PA Warren, Diarmuid and Donal Down were involved that day, panel players now in Gammel and O'Donoghue were also starters... I thought there was more being honest…. is anybody else worried how we seem to have virtually no graduations from the 18-20 minors at all, to our senior squad. granted they are all still only 21-22 but surely 2 or 3 of them at least should be on the panel and hopefully then same again from last 2 years. just a bit strange we seem to have a cut off at over 23 on the squad at the moment.
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Post by The16thMan on Jul 4, 2023 12:50:41 GMT
Tickets seem to be sold out for Dublin v Monaghan game, helps it was doubled with Tailteann Cup Final but can't say I expected it to happen. Most of Monaghan probably will travel. More tickets may become available. Attendance for Kerry game expected to be around 40,000-50,000 I would imagine.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Jul 4, 2023 13:05:41 GMT
The sides met in the 2017 minor final with Kerry running riot, I just flicked through the team and scorers below, only DC, PA Warren, Diarmuid and Donal Down were involved that day, panel players now in Gammel and O'Donoghue were also starters... I thought there was more being honest…. is anybody else worried how we seem to have virtually no graduations from the 18-20 minors at all, to our senior squad. granted they are all still only 21-22 but surely 2 or 3 of them at least should be on the panel and hopefully then same again from last 2 years. just a bit strange we seem to have a cut off at over 23 on the squad at the moment. From that 20-22 age bracket Ruairi Murphy, Sean O’Brien, Dylan Geaney, Evan Looney, Devon Burns, Joe Linehan and Cillian Burke have all been involved with the panel at various stages this year. It’s too early to say for the 2020 minors since they were u20 this year but no one has really pushed on yet from the 18 and 19 minor groups although Ruairi Murphy has seen game time (despite not being involved at minor) and Sean O’Brien is making the 26. The 2018 crop has been very disappointing when you consider we haven’t even gotten a panelist from an All Ireland winning side.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 4, 2023 13:07:58 GMT
The sides met in the 2017 minor final with Kerry running riot, I just flicked through the team and scorers below, only DC, PA Warren, Diarmuid and Donal Down were involved that day, panel players now in Gammel and O'Donoghue were also starters... I thought there was more being honest…. is anybody else worried how we seem to have virtually no graduations from the 18-20 minors at all, to our senior squad. granted they are all still only 21-22 but surely 2 or 3 of them at least should be on the panel and hopefully then same again from last 2 years. just a bit strange we seem to have a cut off at over 23 on the squad at the moment. Think, given that minor has moved to U17, we will have to wait longer to see graduation to senior - from that time we have had Seán O’Brien, Dylan Casey, Ruairi Murphy & Cillian Burke involved with senior panel. Physicality is huge now, so 22/23 would seem to be the time for guys coming into the squad. What I would like to see is that this years U20s would be following a supervised S & C programme run by county board.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 4, 2023 14:31:03 GMT
The sides met in the 2017 minor final with Kerry running riot, I just flicked through the team and scorers below, only DC, PA Warren, Diarmuid and Donal Down were involved that day, panel players now in Gammel and O'Donoghue were also starters... I thought there was more being honest…. is anybody else worried how we seem to have virtually no graduations from the 18-20 minors at all, to our senior squad. granted they are all still only 21-22 but surely 2 or 3 of them at least should be on the panel and hopefully then same again from last 2 years. just a bit strange we seem to have a cut off at over 23 on the squad at the moment. Age profile of our team is generally very healthy at the moment 3 lads over 30 o brien geaney Murphy A few lads heading for 30 a Spillane Morley barry Rest are all between 23- 26 I'd say we compare favourably with most of our rivals particularly when you look at some of our main players Ryan, foley,Tom sull, diarmuid seanie and David devious spine there for next 4 or 5 yrs minimum. We are well stocked defenders wise new corner forward and wing forward next year u 23 would be a great edition Also they need to be better or as good as the lads they are replacing kerry jerseys are hard won now !
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 4, 2023 14:57:33 GMT
is anybody else worried how we seem to have virtually no graduations from the 18-20 minors at all, to our senior squad. granted they are all still only 21-22 but surely 2 or 3 of them at least should be on the panel and hopefully then same again from last 2 years. just a bit strange we seem to have a cut off at over 23 on the squad at the moment. Age profile of our team is generally very healthy at the moment 3 lads over 30 o brien geaney Murphy A few lads heading for 30 a Spillane Morley barry Rest are all between 23- 26 I'd say we compare favourably with most of our rivals particularly when you look at some of our main players Ryan, foley,Tom sull, diarmuid seanie and David devious spine there for next 4 or 5 yrs minimum. We are well stocked defenders wise new corner forward and wing forward next year u 23 would be a great edition Also they need to be better or as good as the lads they are replacing kerry jerseys are hard won now ! Next year should see the return of Joe O Connor and Stefan Okunbor. We will be stronger next year.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 4, 2023 15:03:21 GMT
Age profile of our team is generally very healthy at the moment 3 lads over 30 o brien geaney Murphy A few lads heading for 30 a Spillane Morley barry Rest are all between 23- 26 I'd say we compare favourably with most of our rivals particularly when you look at some of our main players Ryan, foley,Tom sull, diarmuid seanie and David devious spine there for next 4 or 5 yrs minimum. We are well stocked defenders wise new corner forward and wing forward next year u 23 would be a great edition Also they need to be better or as good as the lads they are replacing kerry jerseys are hard won now ! Next year should see the return of Joe O Connor and Stefan Okunbor. We will be stronger next year. You can add in Cillian Burke & possibly Rob Monahan too - both young but big mature lads.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jul 4, 2023 16:12:17 GMT
A Derry pal of mine warned me not to read too much into the win over Tyrone on Saturday He said that Derry Hammered Tyrone earlier in the year ( albeit the McKenna Cup ) and Westmeath almost beat Tyrone a few weeks ago so We played well but beat an average team .
Can anyone here explain where DOC s tour de force performance came from? Also wondering How Jack Barry did I’m figuring Jack Barry will pick up as best he can Brendan Rodgers and DOC will make sure Conor Glass is chasing him back not the other way around DOC need to stay on the front foot in future games huge addition if he does
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Post by buck02 on Jul 4, 2023 16:17:53 GMT
Derry is probably, well no they are the tougher of the two, but let’s be realistic, from quarter final stages on, one would expect to meet the cream of the crop…. Derry is a fitter more physical team than Tyrone, but, have the same game plan and approach. We will need a serious eighty minutes again from our midfield pairing. The sides met in the 2017 minor final with Kerry running riot, I just flicked through the team and scorers below, only DC, PA Warren, Diarmuid and Donal Down were involved that day, panel players now in Gammel and O'Donoghue were also starters... I thought there was more being honest…. The minor sides and scorers that day were as follows: Kerry: D Uosis; S O’Leary, M Potts, C O’Donoghue; P Warren, N Donohue, C Gammell; B Mahony, D O’Connor; A Donoghue (0-1), B Friel (0-5, 1f), F Clifford (2-0); J Griffin (0-2), D Clifford (4-4), D O’Sullivan (0-3). Subs: E Horan (0-1) for Griffin (45), Donnchadh O’Sullivan (0-1) for Donal O’Sullivan (50), C O’Reilly for F Clifford (53), R O’Neill for Donohue (58), M Slattery for A Donoghue (60). Derry: O Hartin; O McGill, C McCluskey, S McKeever; C McShane, S McErlain, M Bradley; P McGrogan, O McWilliams (0-2); P Quigg (1-1, 1pen), R Mullan (0-1), D Rafferty; B McCarron, L McWilliams (0-2, 1f), M McGrogan (0-2). Subs: D Cassidy for McCluskey (h/t), C Brown for Rafferty (h/t), C Quinn for McCarron (h/t), O Quinn for McShane (40), T McHugh for Mullan (43), JP Devlin for M McGrogan (43). Beat Derry in the 15 semi final too. Jason Foley, Gavin White, Mike Breen and Seanie started that day. Of the 2016 team, 5 starters that day started last weekend Graham Sullivan, Diarmuid O Connor, Dara Moynihan, Seanie and David. Mike Breen also played that year.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 4, 2023 16:50:06 GMT
A Derry pal of mine warned me not to read too much into the win over Tyrone on Saturday He said that Derry Hammered Tyrone earlier in the year ( albeit the McKenna Cup ) and Westmeath almost beat Tyrone a few weeks ago so We played well but beat an average team . Can anyone here explain where DOC s tour de force performance came from? Also wondering How Jack Barry did I’m figuring Jack Barry will pick up as best he can Brendan Rodgers and DOC will make sure Conor Glass is chasing him back not the other way around DOC need to stay on the front foot in future games huge addition if he does In retrospect your friend has a point. Tyrone were poor in the league bar the game with Kerry. Lost first round of Ulster to Monaghan. Lost to Galway in group stages. We're blessed against Westmeath and a post saved them. Beat a Donegal team that had an awful season. In that context you'd have to say Kerry should have won but given our patchy season it was far from certain and Kerry didn't let Tyrone play. On the DOC point, He played like that against Louth so his form is definitely there and for me he had such a good 2nd half in last years final that it's great to see him pushing on.
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