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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jun 27, 2023 22:26:09 GMT
I’m confident one minute and next minute can’t see us winning. We are 4/9 to win it and bookies are seldom wrong, however, Tyrone are so used to upsetting the odds it’s no wonder Kerry folk are spooked at the thoughts of playing them. We have a lot to be positive about and on they other hand, a few niggling doubts that pick away at and fray any threads of confidence. I thought Kerry were absolutely humming against Louth, after a shaky enough start where a better team would have converted 1-2 or 1-3 against us, once our game clicked it was amazing to watch how skilful powerful and physical Kerry are. We will need all of that on Saturday as well as lots of courage and discipline. I think if we have a plan to deal with the Tyrone midfield it will provide us with a decent starting point. Will Kerry flood midfield, make it a battleground and hope we win the lions share of possession? In 2021 we lost most of the breaks as the game wore on. We were caught coughing up possession by walking into contact time and again. We surely will know what’s coming. However, have we ever been well able to deal with it? The Canavan brothers add that xfactor that Tyrone have been lacking up front since their win in 2021. Darragh has matured since then and Ruairí is a firebrand capable of doing serious damage. On the flip side, Seánie Shea, the Cliffords, Dara Moynihan and Tony Brosnan were bouncing the last day out and will hopefully function as the same unstoppable force again on Saturday. Our defence is not as suspect as it was in 2021, however, the niggling doubts persist, teams have worked out how to go around Tadhg and render him and his role redundant (Mayo in Killarney). When we are forced to defend in numbers against numbers, how will we cope? More questions than answers, so much to consider, so much to look forward to. One thing is for sure, Tyrone will bring it to Kerry on Saturday, as they always do. However, I’ve a feeling that they will meet a Kerry team in a mean mood and one emboldened by and all Ireland final victory last year as well as the hard knocks taken already this year. Roll on Saturday, can’t wait.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Jun 27, 2023 22:36:30 GMT
Was Kerry ever the evil enemy for all Ulster? Only from about 1884 Hi Ardmhaca you are a lovely poster here and on Hoganstand. Best of luck to the Orchard. While I was upset in 02 the Armagh fans were brilliant in the aftermath. I’m not on Hogan stand. If someone has the same username as me on there, I hope he’s behaving! Here’s hoping we’ll both make it through. Maybe we’ll renew acquaintances in the semi final.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Jun 27, 2023 22:46:19 GMT
Was Kerry ever the evil enemy for all Ulster? Only from about 1884 Ard Mhacha It would be worth your while listening to a podcast between Tomas Ó Sé and Mike Frank Russell and it's on the Kerry forum somewhere. Tomas mentioned dirty players and hard players and Mike Frank said not Francie Bellew anyway. Mike Frank said Bellew was tough and hard but never did a dirty stroke on him. He has the utmost respect for Francie Bellew. Ah yes, I have listened to a few of Tomas’s podcast episodes. Have a few downloaded episodes to catch up on. Will get around to that one soon hopefully. Russell helped break our hearts in 2000. A fine player.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 27, 2023 23:24:00 GMT
I’m confident one minute and next minute can’t see us winning. We are 4/9 to win it and bookies are seldom wrong, however, Tyrone are so used to upsetting the odds it’s no wonder Kerry folk are spooked at the thoughts of playing them. <SNIP> Kerry were 1/5 in 2021 and were favourites in 2003, 2005 and 2008 also.
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Post by whiteheat on Jun 27, 2023 23:36:45 GMT
Watched 21 game again there. Really left it behind us + niave tactics. Everytime we have lost (with exception of 05) has been solely down to poor tactics. I would have faith in this management team though. I think they will have a few surprises up their sleeves come sat
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Post by john4 on Jun 28, 2023 0:14:32 GMT
Watched 21 game again there. Really left it behind us + niave tactics. Everytime we have lost (with exception of 05) has been solely down to poor tactics. I would have faith in this management team though. I think they will have a few surprises up their sleeves come sat Nobody was more surprised in '21 that Tyrone won that match than the Tyrone players themselves. A total failure on our part.
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Post by glengael on Jun 28, 2023 8:14:23 GMT
Ard Mhacha It would be worth your while listening to a podcast between Tomas Ó Sé and Mike Frank Russell and it's on the Kerry forum somewhere. Tomas mentioned dirty players and hard players and Mike Frank said not Francie Bellew anyway. Mike Frank said Bellew was tough and hard but never did a dirty stroke on him. He has the utmost respect for Francie Bellew. Ah yes, I have listened to a few of Tomas’s podcast episodes. Have a few downloaded episodes to catch up on. Will get around to that one soon hopefully. Russell helped break our hearts in 2000. A fine player. Off topic, I know but have to second that. Mike Frank was a true craftsman. In reviews of that era he is often overlooked in favour of more 'high profile' personalities.
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Post by kerryboyo on Jun 28, 2023 12:11:46 GMT
Anyone Know if Armin Heinriech could be cleared to play heard hes been doing well in AvB could do him the world of good being involved Heinrich played for stacks the weekend so I doubt he’ll play any part Maybe Cillian burke or rob monahan
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Post by Lolly Valance on Jun 28, 2023 14:50:58 GMT
I think we will be in for a battle on Sunday and will have to be at the peak of our powers to get over the line. Tyrone might have struggled along in the championship but, look to be hitting form at the right time like us. Midfield is my main concern with Fitzgerald and Kilpatrick probably the best pairing left in the competition. Not to mention Niall Morgans laser like kickouts we will be doing well to break even on Saturday in midfield. I am not sure of the heights of the Tyrone half back line apart from Peter Harte so would assume Dara Moynihan’s marker would have a height advantage. Assuming Gavin comes back in and Brian O’ Beaglaoich isn’t fit to start it leaves a straight choice between Paul Murphy and Mike Breen for the other half back slot. Mike was targeted by Tyrone for their kickouts in 21 and Paul Murphy would face similar issues if selected there. Consequently, we may abandon the ariel route and break the ball but, do we have the groundhogs to win the battle on terra firma either. Not to mention if Mattie Donnelly comes out around the middle to make his presence felt. Looking at the likely starting sextet in the Tyrone forward line of: Conor Meyler, Kieran McGeary, Ruairi Canavan, Darren McCurry, Matthew Donnelly and Darragh Canavan all of whom are potential match winners we ideally need to starve them of the ball or sit deep to deny space. All good in theory but, when we get the ball we need someone to kick it to in the transition and can’t rely on David up front on his own.
Seanie has shown this year he is most effective in the full forward line with Paudie going out to centre forward. Seanie seems be slightly less mobile or pacey than last year for whatever reason; so trying to minimise his exposure to the traffic and the relentless running of a middle third player seems a logical solution. Against Louth Tony Brosnan most often was the +1 of the full forward line that drifted out the field to knit the play or give room to the 2 lads inside. Can he do the same against Tyrone given his propensity to take too much out of the ball? Or does Paul Geaney come back in and Seanie reverts to his centre forward role? Do Kerry try to call the Tyrone bluff and play 3 up top and force Tyrone to keep men back?
That’s even before we mention the defence. Tyrone along with others will have seen the way to negate Tadhg Morley is to push up on him and actually make him mark a man and not give Kerry a handy +1 in the backs to free up Morley for sweeping duties. Kerry have spent the last 2 seasons playing a sweeper system so cant see it being abandoned now. Or maybe Paddy Tally & co have been working on a man to man defence with a deep lying Jack Barry positioned between the full back and half back lines.
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Post by whiteheat on Jun 28, 2023 18:10:13 GMT
Ah yes, I have listened to a few of Tomas’s podcast episodes. Have a few downloaded episodes to catch up on. Will get around to that one soon hopefully. Russell helped break our hearts in 2000. A fine player. Off topic, I know but have to second that. Mike Frank was a true craftsman. In reviews of that era he is often overlooked in favour of more 'high profile' personalities. [. I am good friend with a man who marked MFR in an all Ireland final. He reckons he is still tied in knots. Super player, with a wand of a left foot
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jun 28, 2023 18:27:29 GMT
Tough test, but we should win this. Every time they bate us in the last few years it was our own failings and they have the ability like no other county to doubt ourselves. Man for man we have a much better team, but they seem to be bale to put doubts in our heads. Every time we play them it is down to the wire, so it comes down to believing we are better. McKenna and McShane meant two really hard to stop forwards, the Canavans are more very nippy forwards, like we would have ourselves. In a strange way Tyrone are much more like Kerry with the two Canavans and McCurry. Looking at both benches we probably have more bite on the bench for when the going gets really tough. One thing that Tyrone have been doing really well since coming good this year is creating goal chances, just like ourselves. If it's a shoot out Kerry will win, so Tyrone will want to keep Kerry's forwards in check and score on the counter. Kerry will want to start very well and make a point out of winning well. Expecting some massive battles in the first half and whoever comes out on top after the first half will probably go on to win the game. Huge game for Kerry's defence, who have been defending the area rather than the man so far, so I'd expect Morley as a sweeper and Foley, Casey and O'Sullivan to stick with their markers. Kilpatrick, McKernan, Hampsey and McNamee have a way of running at defences and breaking the defensive line. If they do they have the ability to set up goals so almost like in rugby it will be important to stop them from breaking the line and keeping them out of the 45. With the Canavans though Tyrone have also discovered the kick pass and somehow I think the offensive mark will be used by both teams to good effect.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 28, 2023 20:30:13 GMT
Watched 21 game again there. Really left it behind us + niave tactics. Everytime we have lost (with exception of 05) has been solely down to poor tactics. I would have faith in this management team though. I think they will have a few surprises up their sleeves come sat Nobody was more surprised in '21 that Tyrone won that match than the Tyrone players themselves. A total failure on our part. Could not agree more - the losses in 20 & 21 are some of the ones I find hardest to take - we had the players …….! On 2005, think it was the best football championship for many a year - the standards reached by Tyrone, Armagh & ourselves would have won an All Ireland in any other year - Armagh, for me were an enigma - expected them to win more than the one AI with some of the best players of their era - Marsden, McConville, McDonnell, McGeeney, the McEntees were super players. C’est la vie!
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Post by mike70 on Jun 28, 2023 20:58:01 GMT
Anyone Know if Armin Heinriech could be cleared to play heard hes been doing well in AvB could do him the world of good being involved Heinrich played for stacks the weekend so I doubt he’ll play any part Maybe Cillian burke or rob monahan Lads will ye stop, neither of them boys have played a senior game, one might scrape on to the 26, depending on injuries, but the team will be selected from the tried and tested. Them young lads will have a day in the future, but can’t see it today.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 28, 2023 21:46:04 GMT
Heinrich played for stacks the weekend so I doubt he’ll play any part Maybe Cillian burke or rob monahan Lads will ye stop, neither of them boys have played a senior game, one might scrape on to the 26, depending on injuries, but the team will be selected from the tried and tested. Them young lads will have a day in the future, but can’t see it today. Took the words out of my mouth, sure bring back Tommy Walsh to full back as you're at it, sure his dad went back there .... 💥☹🔫
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Post by thehermit on Jun 28, 2023 22:50:10 GMT
Killian not going to be involved anyway according to Jack.
Suppose there's always going to be a few injuries to deal with but pity he hasn't had a chance really at championship football this year he is the quintessential summer footballer.
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Post by thehermit on Jun 28, 2023 22:56:52 GMT
I think we will be in for a battle on Sunday and will have to be at the peak of our powers to get over the line. Tyrone might have struggled along in the championship but, look to be hitting form at the right time like us. Midfield is my main concern with Fitzgerald and Kilpatrick probably the best pairing left in the competition. Not to mention Niall Morgans laser like kickouts we will be doing well to break even on Saturday in midfield. I am not sure of the heights of the Tyrone half back line apart from Peter Harte so would assume Dara Moynihan’s marker would have a height advantage. Assuming Gavin comes back in and Brian O’ Beaglaoich isn’t fit to start it leaves a straight choice between Paul Murphy and Mike Breen for the other half back slot. Mike was targeted by Tyrone for their kickouts in 21 and Paul Murphy would face similar issues if selected there. Consequently, we may abandon the ariel route and break the ball but, do we have the groundhogs to win the battle on terra firma either. Not to mention if Mattie Donnelly comes out around the middle to make his presence felt. Looking at the likely starting sextet in the Tyrone forward line of: Conor Meyler, Kieran McGeary, Ruairi Canavan, Darren McCurry, Matthew Donnelly and Darragh Canavan all of whom are potential match winners we ideally need to starve them of the ball or sit deep to deny space. All good in theory but, when we get the ball we need someone to kick it to in the transition and can’t rely on David up front on his own. Seanie has shown this year he is most effective in the full forward line with Paudie going out to centre forward. Seanie seems be slightly less mobile or pacey than last year for whatever reason; so trying to minimise his exposure to the traffic and the relentless running of a middle third player seems a logical solution. Against Louth Tony Brosnan most often was the +1 of the full forward line that drifted out the field to knit the play or give room to the 2 lads inside. Can he do the same against Tyrone given his propensity to take too much out of the ball? Or does Paul Geaney come back in and Seanie reverts to his centre forward role? Do Kerry try to call the Tyrone bluff and play 3 up top and force Tyrone to keep men back? That’s even before we mention the defence. Tyrone along with others will have seen the way to negate Tadhg Morley is to push up on him and actually make him mark a man and not give Kerry a handy +1 in the backs to free up Morley for sweeping duties. Kerry have spent the last 2 seasons playing a sweeper system so cant see it being abandoned now. Or maybe Paddy Tally & co have been working on a man to man defence with a deep lying Jack Barry positioned between the full back and half back lines. Oh Lolly I had a pint after work this evening and the fear started to grip me, not so much about losing on Saturday but more the thought of losing and the summer being over football wise already if we do and it not even July! Out our way you wouldn't even be drawing the turf home yet this time of year. It's going to take me a long, long, long, time for the body clock to adjust to this new thing of All-Ireland's done by August. I've been to the last four Kerry matches and it still doesn't feel like its the Championship yet. BTW big big fan, ever since I was 16. "Kiss Kiss" was some video (I'm sure there was a song there too). Was devastated when I heard you married some billionaire yank. But sure, no money drawing turf in Stacks Mt these times
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Post by john4 on Jun 28, 2023 23:05:55 GMT
Don't know much about this referee but really hoping that he and his linesmen are brave enough to pull up on the inevitable off the ball stuff that Clifford's guaranteed to be exposed to. Hard belting on the ball is no issue it's the stuff when the ball (and cameras) miles away needs to be watched
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Post by whiteheat on Jun 28, 2023 23:48:27 GMT
Hammer the hammer. Think Paul Murphy is the man for Darragh canavan. DC does not have blistering pace or height but has plenty of football. Murphy won't be found wanting here. This would free us tom s to switch to half back on ruairi c and take him on a tour of Croker. I have a feeling that Barry Dan could have a say in this game too
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 29, 2023 8:59:10 GMT
Does anyone think there will be much change from the team that took the field against louth? - Does Gavin come straight back in and if so at whose expense?
- Will BOB get the nod after a brief cameo the last day?
- Does Geaney come back in or will Tony B hold his place
- Does SOB start for his workrate
Not to mention the positional or tactical switches. - If David and Seanie stay in the full forward line can Paudie get on enough ball to provide the ammo to the finishers inside?
- If Geaney starts does he have to legs to track the runners?
- If Tony B starts does he have the discipline to track the runners and the nous not to take the ball into contact?
- If like in 2021 Morgan constantly eschews the short kickout (which we offered up) to go long, have we the plan and the players to gain possession?
- If introduced does Barry Dan have the legs for Croke Park?
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Post by thehermit on Jun 29, 2023 10:39:30 GMT
Team named tonight yeah?
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Post by john1974 on Jun 29, 2023 11:29:27 GMT
Yes.. Should be named for 8pm..
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 29, 2023 11:56:17 GMT
Gosh nice to see a few new members arriving. Probation often turns people off, what with cronyism in the world, aspiring members might be thinking it is some kind of closed shop.
Well it isn't, in fact anything but - without you it will die.
Now I don't speak on behalf of the forum, and which in a way evidences my general contention here - we all contribute and abide by a common good ethos. Anyway from my years on here I'd sense that the more one blends in, the shorter the probation. IMO if there is a secret, well put yourself in the moderators' shoes - they don't need grief as they are volunteers, so once they are confident you ain't trouble, then they will lean towards green lighting you ASAP - people want an easier life!
Of course we all have our moments, we all make crazy assertions occasionally, we all make mistakes, and we can all be wrong - yes, even me! Still most contributors, and that is what members are, get most things right most of the time and very importantly, we all benefit from engaging with one another on the forum.
So there you go, welcome aboard!
PS - My all time favourite contributor was mandad and who for whatever reason hasn't been on here in a while. His comments were awesome and you can see them by clicking on 'Members' up above.
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Post by john1974 on Jun 29, 2023 12:31:40 GMT
Cheers Ballyfireside.. yea reading the posts for years decided to contribute.. Sure we’ll all have differing opinions at times but sure that’s what makes it interesting.. But one thing that we’ll all agree on is the team doing well and hopefully that will continue Saturday evening.. let’s hope we get a good Kerry crowd to croker Saturday evening and roar on the boys.. They give us great pleasure..
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 29, 2023 14:26:49 GMT
Does anyone think there will be much change from the team that took the field against louth? - Does Gavin come straight back in and if so at whose expense?
- Will BOB get the nod after a brief cameo the last day?
- Does Geaney come back in or will Tony B hold his place
- Does SOB start for his workrate
Not to mention the positional or tactical switches. - If David and Seanie stay in the full forward line can Paudie get on enough ball to provide the ammo to the finishers inside?
- If Geaney starts does he have to legs to track the runners?
- If Tony B starts does he have the discipline to track the runners and the nous not to take the ball into contact?
- If like in 2021 Morgan constantly eschews the short kickout (which we offered up) to go long, have we the plan and the players to gain possession?
- If introduced does Barry Dan have the legs for Croke Park?
This is a game that Kerry really need to win to be recognised as a good /great team. Every team of champions are scrutinised unless they win a few and beat all pretenders. Tyrone the same. No team was lambasted as much as Tyrone last year as the fared poorly after their All Ireland win. Jack and selectors and the players know that if Kerry fall v Tyrone the team will be known as weak and give the critics ammo to say without David Clifford Kerry are an average team. No disrespect to Dooher and Logan but their management is not as strong as Mickey Harte s. Harte was a deep thinker and was a huge thorn in Kerry sides. We don't have to worry bout Mickey and if we get a decent display midfield I think we will win this game by a few points. Tyrone bowed out meekly in round 1, Kerry have at least made the 1/4 finals. Also, Kerry haven't lost a knockout Championship match in 70 minutes since 2016, their losses have either been after extra time or after a replay, so I expect if we bow out it won't be meekly anyways.
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Post by ciarraigodeo on Jun 29, 2023 17:29:38 GMT
It’s a fierce long week
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 29, 2023 17:33:10 GMT
Does anyone think there will be much change from the team that took the field against louth? - Does Gavin come straight back in and if so at whose expense?
- Will BOB get the nod after a brief cameo the last day?
- Does Geaney come back in or will Tony B hold his place
- Does SOB start for his workrate
Not to mention the positional or tactical switches. - If David and Seanie stay in the full forward line can Paudie get on enough ball to provide the ammo to the finishers inside?
- If Geaney starts does he have to legs to track the runners?
- If Tony B starts does he have the discipline to track the runners and the nous not to take the ball into contact?
- If like in 2021 Morgan constantly eschews the short kickout (which we offered up) to go long, have we the plan and the players to gain possession?
- If introduced does Barry Dan have the legs for Croke Park?
Think we need Gavin & Briain - both come back in for me at the expense of Mike Breen & Paul Murphy; Paul G too, think Tony comes in off the bench. Think sideline will have plan for Paudie - Tyrone likely to man mark him but this should create space for David & Seanie. Defensive match ups crucial plus game plan to foil the possible blanket.
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Post by jerryewe on Jun 29, 2023 17:53:45 GMT
Here's a hopball for everyone - if game goes to penalties who are the chosen 5 (obviously all dependent on who is on field by end of game). I'm going with the following 2 x Cliffords Seanie Shea Tom Sullivan Shane Ryan
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Post by kerryman90 on Jun 29, 2023 18:05:43 GMT
I'd be absolutely shocked if Tony Brosnan starts on Saturday
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 29, 2023 18:09:30 GMT
Here's a hopball for everyone - if game goes to penalties who are the chosen 5 (obviously all dependent on who is on field by end of game). I'm going with the following 2 x Cliffords Seanie Shea Tom Sullivan Shane Ryan The finishing 15 is as crucial as the starting 15, penalties apart. Just a pity it is closed doors training, 'twould be nice to be figuring out the plan. And yeah, a long week it is!
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Post by mike70 on Jun 29, 2023 19:03:13 GMT
No change really
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