exiled
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Post by exiled on Jul 4, 2023 23:47:05 GMT
2 class players like their Dad Both Canavans are fabulous players but Darragh went down in my estimation with his constant laughing and sneering in Tom O Sullivans face. It is beneath someone of his talent and Tom had a laugh back at him when he nailed the point with the outside of the left. I have a certain respect for physical stuff but the goading annoys me. I didn't see any of it as goading..guys just having a go.banter at best. Those 2 Canavan boys play with a smile on ..just like DC.
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Post by givehimaball on Jul 5, 2023 7:50:11 GMT
I was talking to a few underage coaches this evening and Clifford's sideline pass came up in discussion. I've no idea about how David Clifford was coached at underage but I'd be willing to bet that he and presumably his teammates were allowed the freedom to try the outrageous without fear of criticism if it didn't work out. Skills development can only happen by trying things out, but unfortunately many underage coaches are so obsessed with their own egos and winning that boys are in fear of going off script. I appreciate that there has to be systems/principles of play etc. but we can't make children afraid to go with instinct also. To all the underage coaches out there, Encourage the adventurous stuff please. The following saying seems apt "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see."
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kerryexile
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 5, 2023 10:48:32 GMT
Good Post Horsebox.
I was in the upper Davin and the lines of attack were clearly visible much like the tactical, behind the goals camera. Many times, Kerry were building with speed and purpose. You could see the Tyrone defence closing in on where they thought the attack was going, so they could turnover the ball. Then a Kerry player would turn back, recycle and the attack would swiftly move to the other wing. Kerry played the sidelines so the defence were sprinting all over the place to cover. As half-time approached they were just plugging holes in the dam.
The 2nd half was one of the best from Kerry in Croke Park in a long time.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 5, 2023 16:17:36 GMT
Just set YouTube Playback speed at 25% for DC's magic - still too fast, or is it too slow?
Our buck is even confusing his own now - Moore's law is no match for Clifford's!
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 6, 2023 12:10:42 GMT
I think a level of pushing, sledging and oneupmanship is now practically de rigueur in most must win/must not lose championship games. Its all part of the psychological warfare that players are almost encouraged to wage on their direct opponent to get inside their head, put them off and rattle them, so to speak. Its moved well beyond the jersey tug, the push, the trip or the shout when a lad is taking a free! All teams are at it to varying degrees. I'm sure many Donegal fans wanted to confront O'Mahony for literally standing on Murphys toes and making his life a misery throughout the final. At the start of the quarter final last year versus Mayo all the Mayo forwards in unison shoved their Kerry markers vigorously in the chest when taking up their positions before the throw in - players are now told to lay down markers, win their individual battles and to do whatever it takes. (Incidentally it did Mayo little good!). We might not like it when our players are at the end of it, but we do it ourselves too - otherwise a player is a beaten docket. Policing the totality of all these incidents in a game would take some doing. The punch by McCurry was clear and if not picked up in real time, could easily be cited after. I'd hate for the poster Tyroneperson, who seems a sound one, to be hounded away from the forum. He has no control over what a player says or does but I dare say Paudie Clifford is well able to look after himself too, physically and verbally. Well said Taggert. I seriously hate this them and us attitude. Let he without sin cast the first stone. I mean when I was a kid the great Jimmy Barry Murphy retired from inter County football cos of a Kerry s tactics against him (not within rules). Every county has boyos. Some worse than others. We gave been lucky that I've never heard of real thuggery although a Laois man told me long before my time Kerry had hatchetmen in the 50s and 60s that would maim you. Anyway lovely comments today by Brian Dooher saying Kerry play football the way you d love to play it. Credit where due. I had the pleasure of knowing JBM when working in Cork in the 80s - a mild mannered genius who was great company & wore the mantle of greatness lightly. One night when talking football , I put it to him who was the toughest player ever to mark him - his surprise answer was Mick Spillane - his explanation was simple - what he had over most markers was his speed off the mark - it was rare for any defender to beat him - he said Spillane also possessed that pace & he( JBM) rarely played well against him. Some of us tend to overlook Mick when thinking of the past greats but he amassed 7 All Irelands, all on the field of play and rarely, if ever, played a bad game. JBM’s concentration on hurling as opposed to football was down to his love of the game, rather than hanging up his football boots due to tough/rough handling.
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Post by mossie on Jul 6, 2023 22:36:11 GMT
I had the pleasure of knowing JBM when working in Cork in the 80s - a mild mannered genius who was great company & wore the mantle of greatness lightly. One night when talking football , I put it to him who was the toughest player ever to mark him - his surprise answer was Mick Spillane - his explanation was simple - what he had over most markers was his speed off the mark - it was rare for any defender to beat him - he said Spillane also possessed that pace & he( JBM) rarely played well against him. Some of us tend to overlook Mick when thinking of the past greats but he amassed 7 All Irelands, all on the field of play and rarely, if ever, played a bad game. JBM’s concentration on hurling as opposed to football was down to his love of the game, rather than hanging up his football boots due to tough/rough handling. Yeah JBM comes across as a lovely man. Nice tribute to Mick Spillane and yeah a real unheralded player for Kerry. In my memory though when JBM retired from football he mentioned in a national newspaper his decision was made easy by the way he was played by a certain Kerry back (it was nt Mick Spillane). Now I was a young boy at the time so my recollection might not be a 100%. JBM an all time great dual man and a sportsman supreme and gentleman In fact many say he was a more natural footballer than a hurler, he was sublime in 1973 when he came on to the cork senior football team at 18 and Cork won the senior all ireland. His skill level in hurling wasnt half bad! but in football I think it was even better He was pulled and dragged a lot by Kerry no doubt and he has referenced it occasionally but on his Laochra Gael programme, he admitted that if Cork had been winning football titles with the frequency that they were in hurling and the hurling had the bad run that the footballers were on, his decision would have been to stay with football and give up the hurling He basically hadnt it in him to play both at inter county anymore appetite wise and he choose the one that there was more chance of success in Nothing wrong with that
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