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Post by The16thMan on Jan 4, 2023 21:10:27 GMT
Defence were shambolic tonight, like a rabbit in the headlights in the 1st half especially. Once Cork pressed Shane Murphy, he didn't respond too well. The tracking of runners from deep (or lack of) was the main cause of a lot of the goals. Cork looked like they were well ahead in their conditioning compared to Kerry which is to be expected given Kerry aren't long back from Holidays. Cork are closing the gap I think but I'd still expect Kerry to be a 8 point (at least) better team come the summer when we've the full complement back.
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Post by mossie on Jan 4, 2023 21:31:53 GMT
when you malfunction as unit in what is really a pre-season match, it is unfair to be too critical of individuals
But like others to try pick out a few positives
- Dara Roche kicked 2 excellent points and if he got a half decent supply of ball we could have seen more from him - I know the match was over but I like the way Donal Down, Burns and Brosnan were able to kick a few long range points towards the end - Mike Breen got game time again at inter county level - lads get a gallop again v Clare where we get a chance to look at the extended panel again
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 4, 2023 21:50:09 GMT
Some night. Paid a visit to the grave of a dear friend on the way to the game and just after Blarney my clutch went and I was stuck beside the road until the recovery truck came. Luckily I was spared watching the game
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 4, 2023 22:02:15 GMT
Ya, look best let the dust settle, rotate accordingly giving others a starting berth and gauge then on those two games because we will not now be afforded the luxury of a third and final game.
Something along the lines of Burns, Dan O’Donoghue, Foley, Tom Sull, Breen, Morley, Cronin, Diarmuid, Buckley, Mahoney, Moynihan, Burns, Killian, Donal O’Sulivan and Roche.
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Post by peanuts on Jan 4, 2023 22:10:10 GMT
Very hard to judge players when the majority of the team are new and haven’t played together before. Ideally you’d like to be trying out 3-4 new players with 11-12 regulars instead of the other way around. The league will give us a better indication of the potential of the newcomers.
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Post by homerj on Jan 4, 2023 22:17:33 GMT
Hopefully the wake up call they all need, that team has been on the piss with holidays and weddings galore in recent weeks, even days.
3 weeks to be ready for Donegal, a proper wake up call tonight
Is that the mcgrath Cup over now or can we still win and get to a semi to meet Cork again?
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Post by mike70 on Jan 4, 2023 22:18:09 GMT
Lads to be fair, the boys have nothing done, I think there was 3 wedding last few months, there not one day affairs, throw in the holiday, we expected nothing tonight, only curiosity to see what cork had down, and although they thumped us tonight, I still think they are going to struggle, they have improved their defensive system, powter looks good on the 40, but still lack good point kickers imo.
The important thing is how we react in the first league game, bring it on.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 4, 2023 22:19:59 GMT
Changes have to be made for the Clare game
Burns Casey Foley O’Donoghue Breen Morley O’Sullivan O’Connor Buckley (if fit) Moynihan Murphy Mahony Brosnan Roche Spillane
Give Barry, Burns, Spillane, Okunbor, Donal O’Sullivan and Eddie Horan (if fit) game time from the bench.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 4, 2023 22:24:25 GMT
Ah ya in the last month or so the players have had the holiday, weddings and Christmas, so very little training has been done. It was obvious in the performances of the likes of Adrian Spillane, Diarmuid O’Connor, Morley and Barry, lads who were flying 6 months ago but that’s normal and to be expected. Preparation has been pretty much zero.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 4, 2023 22:27:56 GMT
Hopefully the wake up call they all need, that team has been on the piss with holidays and weddings galore in recent weeks, even days. 3 weeks to be ready for Donegal, a proper wake up call tonight Is that the mcgrath Cup over now or can we still win and get to a semi to meet Cork again? Over, two groups A and B, top two teams qualify so, I envisage Cork and Limerick... that's why Jack has to make the best of Sunday's game being the only competitive ball pre league.
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Post by The16thMan on Jan 4, 2023 22:46:31 GMT
Not so disappointed with the result, just with a few of the individual performances. A lot of guys who were given a chance didn't do themselves justice. Good thing we've a game only 4 days away because it'll give guys a chance to right the wrongs
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 4, 2023 23:29:27 GMT
Delighted I didn't travel down from Dublin for that. €10 spent but tank of diesel saved.
Horrible performance but not too surprising. Won't panic just yet.
A couple of lads who got a chance to impress certainly didn't. Some were completely anonymous.
Turnovers were most disappointing for me.
The value of the Mc Grath Cup could be called into question for a team that won the AI and have earned their time off. Two of the current squad got married lately along with one recently retired one.
But the fact that the league starts in 3 weeks would be a slight concern. Especially with so many lads still involved in Club competitions and injury niggles.
Kevin Walsh has had an influence on Corks defensive tightness but he had Galway playing the worst football they played in decades IMO
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Post by crokes86 on Jan 5, 2023 1:48:13 GMT
Everybody needs to relax it’s thf McGrath cup Cork had a strong team out Kerry had a very experimental team out Giving youth a run . They have to give theses players a look and games that’s what the McGrath cup is for
I don’t think Jack will be too worried the first week of January I’m sure he’ll try more players out in the next game .
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 5, 2023 7:58:32 GMT
Don't know if anyone has put up their hand given this display. Brosnan is probably the best on show in a Kerry shirt. From the starting XV, though Barry Mahoney showed well, all seven of the defensive unit were below par, Corks mid field ruled the roost but to be fair Barry Dan did handle a good bit of posession. Killian showed and Roche had two from play, Brosnan was on ball but too deep for me. Ruairí was involved in a lot of ball but hard to judge. Second half, Burns, Moynihan and Donal Down chipped away but look it's February, a winter of celebration. It's about getting games into lads. We were disappointing very poor, very disappointing that no one put their hands up to stake a claim to a league panel berth. In defence our right side in particular was opened. Learn from it , give players a second chance Sunday with Clare and then try get settled look for league. Poor fair for my tenner. Your loyalty is admirable!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 5, 2023 9:18:43 GMT
On last night: The performance was bad but it was bad across the board so I’d not be ruling any of the new lads out yet as there were plenty of experienced heads who didn’t cover themselves in glory. If we started ruling lads out based on their first game or 2 then Jason Foley would never be allowed near a Kerry team again and he’s probably the best full back in the country now.
The overall poor performance leads me to believe that we are just in a different place training wise as lads have been away, etc. I’d like to see Jack persist with a few of the new lads as it’ll take a lot of them until next year before they are at the physical level required for the top level- bringing lads through is a min of a 2 year process these days
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Post by john4 on Jan 5, 2023 9:40:09 GMT
On last night: The performance was bad but it was bad across the board so I’d not be ruling any of the new lads out yet as there were plenty of experienced heads who didn’t cover themselves in glory. If we started ruling lads out based on their first game or 2 then Jason Foley would never be allowed near a Kerry team again and he’s probably the best full back in the country now. The overall poor performance leads me to believe that we are just in a different place training wise as lads have been away, etc. I’d like to see Jack persist with a few of the new lads as it’ll take a lot of them until next year before they are at the physical level required for the top level- bringing lads through is a min of a 2 year process these days The only option is to keep pushing new guys in there and testing them at this Intercounty level. Players develop at different stages but you can't give up on anyone after 1 showing. TBH we don't actually have the luxury of being able to do that. We started the All-ireland final last year with 2 experienced I/C backs on the bench. And if memory serves me, I think there was a question mark over the fitness of one of these, Can't remember if it was PM or GC, but my point is if we needed a third defender replaced we'd be bringing in Jack O'Shea to make his Championship debut.! Is that where we want to be!! I don't care we lost last night. The McGrath Cup is basically organised rounds of challenge matches. Keep trying new players Jack. These are the matches for it.
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Post by time2shine on Jan 5, 2023 10:35:22 GMT
Everybody needs to relax it’s thf McGrath cup Cork had a strong team out Kerry had a very experimental team out Giving youth a run . They have to give theses players a look and games that’s what the McGrath cup is for I don’t think Jack will be too worried the first week of January I’m sure he’ll try more players out in the next game . Exactly, it’s rest a lot of our main players need, and minutes for the panel members.
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Post by gaaforlife on Jan 5, 2023 12:54:07 GMT
That was shambolic lads, Cork looked fit and raring to go and we looked like we were still enjoying the mince pies. The only positive for Kerry was Tony Brosnan. It could be a very difficult national league.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 5, 2023 12:55:28 GMT
From the starting XV, though Barry Mahoney showed well, all seven of the defensive unit were below par, Corks mid field ruled the roost but to be fair Barry Dan did handle a good bit of posession. Killian showed and Roche had two from play, Brosnan was on ball but too deep for me. Ruairí was involved in a lot of ball but hard to judge. Second half, Burns, Moynihan and Donal Down chipped away but look it's February, a winter of celebration. It's about getting games into lads. We were disappointing very poor, very disappointing that no one put their hands up to stake a claim to a league panel berth. In defence our right side in particular was opened. Learn from it , give players a second chance Sunday with Clare and then try get settled look for league. Your loyalty is admirable! Kerrybhoy06, I broke one of my self-imposed cardinal rules last night, and that was never post direct in the aftermath of a result, normally would sit back, take stock and then discuss.... in hindsight, we should compare like with like, Cork Fitness levels, players available, work down, current training schedule etc all these would give fairer indication. When you strip this back, it was still a ten of Corks championship fifteen against, maybe three of four of ours.. My only gripe really is players who one expected more of, didn’t put their hands up, maybe Sunday will afford us a more balanced look. Ideally a manager would rather have eleven or twelve regulars to bed in two or three newcomers, not the opposite, which was the case last night.
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Post by gaaforlife on Jan 5, 2023 13:00:25 GMT
Jeasus some of ye are too critical. Calm down i am keen follower not kerryman however but i woldnt worry about kerry it is first game if this happens in league regukarly yes but its first game owing of dirt and only back from holiday recently cork have work done.
Jeez the opposite of Mayo fans too hypijg them up after one gane ye are writting yer own team off and Kerry have good players aside from clifford.The league will tell more its Mc Grath cup . Bad result but come on Kerry can turn it around never saw such negativity aftet one gane so early , nor a kerryman but wait to mideay through league and see. Clifford very inportant but kerry have good players around him but its Mc Grath Cuo and negativity is bit ridiculous coming off all ireland holiday etc .Wait for 3 weeks or 4 weeks and one two games into league before writting kerry off.
Have faith in all including clifford and other players
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Post by dodgyknees on Jan 5, 2023 13:14:48 GMT
Donegal are 9/2 to beat us at home in the first round of the league - given the players Kerry will be missing and the performance last night this seems like crazy odds!
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Post by thehermit on Jan 5, 2023 13:55:52 GMT
I take everything that has been said by both sides of the coin about last night and I was in Tralee three years ago when Cork gave us an even bigger hiding in the same fixture.
The difference there was that it was the Kerry U-20s pressed into service.
Almost everyone who started for us last night has played for the Kerry seniors at some point previously. This might come across as hyper critical but I believe any team going out to represent Kerry at senior level (and certainly one containing fellas looking to force their way into a League or Championship panel) should be competent enough to not look like a group of ten year olds being barraged aside by adult players running through on goal.
That's the reality of what happened multiple times last night and John Cleary was right to say afterwards his crew could have buried 9 or 10 goals if they felt like it.
These lads have played football for years surely they have a bit of muscle memory as regards defending?
I've no problem with a Kerry team being beaten at this time of the year but last night was boarding on the incompetent and for me that's unforgivable whatever the context, most especially when you are the AI champions and every other county is licking its lips at your crown.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 5, 2023 14:11:53 GMT
The great thing about forums is the freedom to express your opinion even if it's against the general views held provided it doesn't step over the line.
I stand by what I said last night,
It was shambolic no matter if its a challenge match or game latter in the year.
I understand there was a team holiday and weddings, injuries etc however with the exception of a few starters the majority last night are fringe players trying to make a name.
Now I know its easier having 3/4 rookies with 11 regulars so I'll give them a break on that.
Harsh or not there's a lot of ground to make up in 3 weeks and haven spoken to a few Tyrone people they were poor in last years McKenna cup and never responded.
They had the same holidays, weddings as Kerry.
Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 14:18:12 GMT
Jeasus some of ye are too critical. Calm down i am keen follower not kerryman however but i woldnt worry about kerry it is first game if this happens in league regukarly yes but its first game owing of dirt and only back from holiday recently cork have work done. Jeez the opposite of Mayo fans too hypijg them up after one gane ye are writting yer own team off and Kerry have good players aside from clifford.The league will tell more its Mc Grath cup . Bad result but come on Kerry can turn it around never saw such negativity aftet one gane so early , nor a kerryman but wait to mideay through league and see. Clifford very inportant but kerry have good players around him but its Mc Grath Cuo and negativity is bit ridiculous coming off all ireland holiday etc .Wait for 3 weeks or 4 weeks and one two games into league before writting kerry off. Have faith in all including clifford and other players Exsuce you mayo are not hyping up our team we just support our team literally like any other county !!!! Why bring ua into this? When we werent even playing???!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 5, 2023 16:16:55 GMT
Your loyalty is admirable! Kerrybhoy06, I broke one of my self-imposed cardinal rules last night, and that was never post direct in the aftermath of a result, normally would sit back, take stock and then discuss.... in hindsight, we should compare like with like, Cork Fitness levels, players available, work down, current training schedule etc all these would give fairer indication. When you strip this back, it was still a ten of Corks championship fifteen against, maybe three of four of ours.. My only gripe really is players who one expected more of, didn’t put their hands up, maybe Sunday will afford us a more balanced look. Ideally a manager would rather have eleven or twelve regulars to bed in two or three newcomers, not the opposite, which was the case last night. I meant your loyalty to your club mate
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jan 5, 2023 16:41:05 GMT
The performance last night in my view has less to do with fitness, weddings, holidays and more to do with the fact that the team that played have barely trained together let along played a game. It was basically a bunch of individuals. Therefore it is unsurprising that kick outs and the defensive structure did not work. Do you think Paddy Tally has done much in recent weeks from a coaching perspective?
Cork may be a bit fitter but I reckon also they have done a lot more training as a collective.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 5, 2023 17:21:18 GMT
Kerrybhoy06, I broke one of my self-imposed cardinal rules last night, and that was never post direct in the aftermath of a result, normally would sit back, take stock and then discuss.... in hindsight, we should compare like with like, Cork Fitness levels, players available, work down, current training schedule etc all these would give fairer indication. When you strip this back, it was still a ten of Corks championship fifteen against, maybe three of four of ours.. My only gripe really is players who one expected more of, didn’t put their hands up, maybe Sunday will afford us a more balanced look. Ideally a manager would rather have eleven or twelve regulars to bed in two or three newcomers, not the opposite, which was the case last night. I meant your loyalty to your club mate You've lost me, or wires crossed somewhere?? my clubmate would be Foley.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 5, 2023 17:23:37 GMT
I meant your loyalty to your club mate You've lost me, or wires crossed somewhere?? my clubmate would be Foley. Apologies, I thought it was Mahoney Foley is a great bit of stuff, he must be very proud out that way. As I said earlier in the thread, he’s become probably the best full back in the country
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 5, 2023 17:55:05 GMT
Ah easy mistake, I do harp on a bit about Barry Mahoney, I've watched him since about U16 level I suppose he first came to my attention, he was a man amongst boys from then to Minor.
Even though he was Diarmuid's midfield partner for one Minor win in Croker, I think he is too slight in stature for a midfield berth, I don't know is he county standard but he is an above average club man and could be chipped maybe as a rough diamond- either way he has his chance to shine now so ball like a lot of yesterday's troops is their court.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 5, 2023 18:36:45 GMT
Ah easy mistake, I do harp on a bit about Barry Mahoney, I've watched him since about U16 level I suppose he first came to my attention, he was a man amongst boys from then to Minor. Even though he was Diarmuid's midfield partner for one Minor win in Croker, I think he is too slight in stature for a midfield berth, I don't know is he county standard but he is an above average club man and could be chipped maybe as a rough diamond- either way he has his chance to shine now so ball like a lot of yesterday's troops is their court. Ah yeah look if jack deems him worth a shot then that’s good enough for me. I hope lads like himself get 3/4 opportunities as it’s impossible to judge them on one game. I’ve heard great things about Gammell aswell but haven’t seen much
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