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Post by greengold35 on Aug 10, 2022 9:29:49 GMT
A simple yes or no doesn’t cut it as it depends on the criteria, for example, didn’t the Hassett's play with a team in Wicklow, Jack O’Shea in Lexslip, Tomàs Nemo, James O’Shea, Jack Ferriter and I think Mark Griffin Bishopsyown… off the top of my head. The transfers I have a serious gripe with is when a promising county or underage players moving from a rural to a high profile club, best example to mind wise an U21 midfielder from Tousist to Crokes. Which resulted in their former club struggling to field teams.
If outside the county for a ‘genuine’ reason, I have no issue, if untoward like the above, totally against. Ironically, you used a NK player as an example, not too long ago a neighbouring NK club’s county midfielder transferred to Mitchels on securing a building contract, what was the journey time … forty minutes away?? Agree 100% - if a guy is living outside the county and wishes to transfer best of luck to him - the O'Sullivan brothers moving to Stacks was a huge blow to Valentia too.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 10, 2022 9:47:41 GMT
Anyone have the link to the full football final from rte by any chance, commentary build up and ending, YouTube ones just have match, I might be able to in the next week or so
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Post by ciarrai4sam on Aug 10, 2022 10:34:16 GMT
Anyone have the link to the full football final from rte by any chance, commentary build up and ending, YouTube ones just have match, I might be able to in the next week or so Cheers for that 👍👍
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Post by dc84 on Aug 10, 2022 10:35:50 GMT
The shane walsh one is a tough one on his club id imagine the whole team much like galway is built around him. Where he is going the biggest club in the country makes it doublely awkward from a pr point. The fact he is doing an online course makes the travelling element a bit dubious as well. Having said that if he wants to move to dublin and play with whomever he wants its difficult to see how he can be stopped. Its an amateur sport so lads will always be moving counties for jobs particularly to dublin. Expecting lads to hop in car after work and drive 2 plus hours for training and the same back is hardly reasonable. At county level at least they aren't out of pocket. Intra county transfers are another matter a lad transferring from a small rural junior or intermediate club to a senior one within the same county is just wrong imo at least the districts here allow all players a chance to compete at the highest club level.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 10, 2022 10:37:36 GMT
The shane walsh one is a tough one on his club id imagine the whole team much like galway is built around him. Where he is going the biggest club in the country makes it doublely awkward from a pr point. The fact he is doing an online course makes the travelling element a bit dubious as well. Having said that if he wants to move to dublin and play with whomever he wants its difficult to see how he can be stopped. Its an amateur sport so lads will always be moving counties for jobs particularly to dublin. Expecting lads to hop in car after work and drive 2 plus hours for training and the same back is hardly reasonable. At county level at least they aren't out of pocket. Intra county transfers are another matter a lad transferring from a small rural junior or intermediate club to a senior one within the same county is just wrong imo at least the districts here allow all players a chance to compete at the highest club level. You might have missed the big news on this last week in that (second or) third level study is not in general grounds for a transfer.
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 10, 2022 10:41:59 GMT
A simple yes or no doesn’t cut it as it depends on the criteria, for example, didn’t the Hassett's play with a team in Wicklow, Jack O’Shea in Lexslip, Tomàs Nemo, James O’Shea, Jack Ferriter and I think Mark Griffin Bishopsyown… off the top of my head. The transfers I have a serious gripe with is when a promising county or underage players moving from a rural to a high profile club, best example to mind wise an U21 midfielder from Tousist to Crokes. Which resulted in their former club struggling to field teams.
If outside the county for a ‘genuine’ reason, I have no issue, if untoward like the above, totally against. Ironically, you used a NK player as an example, not too long ago a neighbouring NK club’s county midfielder transferred to Mitchels on securing a building contract, what was the journey time … forty minutes away?? Agree 100% - if a guy is living outside the county and wishes to transfer best of luck to him - the O'Sullivan brothers moving to Stacks was a huge blow to Valentia too. Yes, that is an even better example.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 10, 2022 10:51:28 GMT
The shane walsh one is a tough one on his club id imagine the whole team much like galway is built around him. Where he is going the biggest club in the country makes it doublely awkward from a pr point. The fact he is doing an online course makes the travelling element a bit dubious as well. Having said that if he wants to move to dublin and play with whomever he wants its difficult to see how he can be stopped. Its an amateur sport so lads will always be moving counties for jobs particularly to dublin. Expecting lads to hop in car after work and drive 2 plus hours for training and the same back is hardly reasonable. At county level at least they aren't out of pocket. Intra county transfers are another matter a lad transferring from a small rural junior or intermediate club to a senior one within the same county is just wrong imo at least the districts here allow all players a chance to compete at the highest club level. You might have missed the big news on this last week in that (second or) third level study is not in general grounds for a transfer. I didnt ! but if someone wants to move to another county for other reasons along with study ie girlfriend nightlife etc is he not entitled to freedom of movement including playing what is after all a hobby with a team in the area he is moving to ? I have transferred 3 times and never had any hassle ( i know it says a lot about me as a footballer 🤣). Im not even sure where i stand on this either tbh if shane walsh wasnt as good as he is there wouldnt even be a question of his club trying to stop the transfer.
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Post by john4 on Aug 10, 2022 11:29:31 GMT
I don't think anyone has any major issue with the fact that Shane Walsh wants to transfer from his club in Galway to a club in Dublin if that's where he's intending to live but I think the issue is the fact that it's Kilmacud Crokes he's looking at transferring to. If he was planning on moving to a club that he, or his family might have had some connection with previously, or a club in the precise area of his accommodation this wouldn't even be news. But there's the suggestion that there's more to this is the issue, in terms of benefits and the real opportunity for a national club title.
Nobody wants to see a guy held back but it would help if there was a genuine look about it.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 10, 2022 11:51:43 GMT
You might have missed the big news on this last week in that (second or) third level study is not in general grounds for a transfer. I didnt ! but if someone wants to move to another county for other reasons along with study ie girlfriend nightlife etc is he not entitled to freedom of movement including playing what is after all a hobby with a team in the area he is moving to ? I have transferred 3 times and never had any hassle ( i know it says a lot about me as a footballer 🤣). Im not even sure where i stand on this either tbh if shane walsh wasnt as good as he is there wouldnt even be a question of his club trying to stop the transfer. There is never a problem when a players current club initiates the transfer
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 10, 2022 12:43:05 GMT
Jason Foley leaves Ballyd to join a club 2 hours away, for arguments sake we’ll say Nemo rangers. Do you wish him well? No rambling nonsense, just a simple yes or no Yes. And as for the 'rambling nonsense' the rest of us can read Walsh's article on how the regional imbalance of economic activity across the state increasingly distances parish from workplace - now that's rambling for you! Travel home 4 times a week = 16 hours, fuel, etc - then his county commitments. And the weight of expectation on him to lead the team, etc - TBH I'd be surprised if it was possible not to do it. The better a player is the more that is expected of him. Rural Ireland needs support and the first thing is to lock up those who cause it and/or prevent it's rejuvenation - Gombeens they are called and we all know who they are - staging insurance claims, etc. And of course towns are included in that - I once had a GAA laddo say I shouldn't raise this issue, next thing he is on local media moaning that he is a victim of it. How many tourist attractions, sports centres, pubs, creches, etc struggle as a consequence? Farmers are big insurance customers, all small businesses - GAA grounds, etc. Look at what they screw local councils for and who just add it on to rate payers' bills and also cut expenditure on local amenities. It is the same greasy paws who raid the till, craw thumpers frothing from the mouth - too much is never enough. If this was addressed then the Shane Walshs and Mark O'Connors of the GAA world would have less reason to move away.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 10, 2022 13:50:48 GMT
I didnt ! but if someone wants to move to another county for other reasons along with study ie girlfriend nightlife etc is he not entitled to freedom of movement including playing what is after all a hobby with a team in the area he is moving to ? I have transferred 3 times and never had any hassle ( i know it says a lot about me as a footballer 🤣). Im not even sure where i stand on this either tbh if shane walsh wasnt as good as he is there wouldnt even be a question of his club trying to stop the transfer. There is never a problem when a players current club initiates the transfer Haha the only gaa player paid expenses to play with someone else !
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Post by dodgyknees on Aug 10, 2022 14:29:17 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 11, 2022 8:03:02 GMT
A close viewing of the final tells me that the two Dingle men did better that originally thought.
PG was involved in a lot in the first half and contributed in that way. His two missed chances are remembered but the shots were on. Kicking a wide is a lesser sin compared to being turned over.
As for TS, what could any defender do to prevent the 3 points Shane Walsh kicked. The shots were not on for 99% of forwards yet kicked them with minimum backlift.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 11, 2022 9:38:09 GMT
A close viewing of the final tells me that the two Dingle men did better that originally thought. PG was involved in a lot in the first half and contributed in that way. His two missed chances are remembered but the shots were on. Kicking a wide is a lesser sin compared to being turned over. As for TS, what could any defender do to prevent the 3 points Shane Walsh kicked. The shots were not on for 99% of forwards yet kicked them with minimum backlift. Agreed Paul was quite involved in the game but the radar was just a bit off. All very marginal. He will have a big role to play next year also. The fact that management left Tom on Shane Walsh indicates that they had similar thoughts on his performance
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Post by mg72 on Aug 11, 2022 9:38:23 GMT
A close viewing of the final tells me that the two Dingle men did better that originally thought. PG was involved in a lot in the first half and contributed in that way. His two missed chances are remembered but the shots were on. Kicking a wide is a lesser sin compared to being turned over. As for TS, what could any defender do to prevent the 3 points Shane Walsh kicked. The shots were not on for 99% of forwards yet kicked them with minimum backlift. I'd agree with you Mick. On the day in Croke Park, PG looked like he wasn't doing great, but when I watched it back, I too thought that he had done some good things. Not taking those shots on or dropping them into Gleesons hands would have been worse than kicking them wide. And TOS was in a no win situation the way that Walsh was kicking. There was also a lot of space in front of Walsh as Morley really concentrated on shutting down the space in front of Comer.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 11, 2022 12:45:52 GMT
A close viewing of the final tells me that the two Dingle men did better that originally thought. PG was involved in a lot in the first half and contributed in that way. His two missed chances are remembered but the shots were on. Kicking a wide is a lesser sin compared to being turned over. As for TS, what could any defender do to prevent the 3 points Shane Walsh kicked. The shots were not on for 99% of forwards yet kicked them with minimum backlift. Spot on especially in relation to Tom - any defender would have shadowed his man the way he did but Walsh’s accuracy rendered any meaningful defending futile - if a point is scored from the angles/distances as Walsh did, then there’s no blame attaching to the defender.
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Post by veteran on Aug 11, 2022 14:10:43 GMT
If Kerry had lost the final I wonder would supporters have been as sanguine about the decision of management to leave Tom O’Sullivan on Shane Walsh. I suspect there would have been a lot of questions asked. Victory tends to camouflage a lot of deficiencies.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 11, 2022 14:32:22 GMT
If Kerry had lost the final I wonder would supporters have been as sanguine about the decision of management to leave Tom O’Sullivan on Shane Walsh. I suspect there would have been a lot of questions asked. Victory tends to camouflage a lot of deficiencies. While I do 100% agree with you, I also think what you’re saying illustrates how important it was to get a winner in to coach us. Getting over the line is hard, as we’ve seen over the last few years, and I feel like Kerry had a plan that once we conceded no goals then we thought that we’d win. Walsh isn’t anywhere near as much of a goal threat as Comer, so the plan was to wrap him up and let Walsh take relatively low percentage shots from 40 yards. Some managers, myself included, would probably have panicked and changed the system or moved someone else onto Walsh but we stuck to what our game plan was. When stuff like that happens, stuff that seems inexplicable to me, I’m always brought back to an interview I heard with Stephen Rochford a few years ago. He talked about you not being able to win every battle and to keep every player quiet as teams at the top level have too many so sometimes you have to sacrifice something on the pitch to get gains elsewhere. When I look back on the switch option a with Tom then they are: 1) Foley who was destroying Comer 2) Get Morley closer to Walsh but then that would compromise our defensive system that had been working so well for us 3) move White onto him but then that would have taken away from our attacking game plan as White is essential to that. I do agree with you that it’s a fine line but I think the lads on the line got it right, thank god!!
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 11, 2022 15:31:10 GMT
If Kerry had lost the final I wonder would supporters have been as sanguine about the decision of management to leave Tom O’Sullivan on Shane Walsh. I suspect there would have been a lot of questions asked. Victory tends to camouflage a lot of deficiencies. While I do 100% agree with you, I also think what you’re saying illustrates how important it was to get a winner in to coach us. Getting over the line is hard, as we’ve seen over the last few years, and I feel like Kerry had a plan that once we conceded no goals then we thought that we’d win. Walsh isn’t anywhere near as much of a goal threat as Comer, so the plan was to wrap him up and let Walsh take relatively low percentage shots from 40 yards. Some managers, myself included, would probably have panicked and changed the system or moved someone else onto Walsh but we stuck to what our game plan was. When stuff like that happens, stuff that seems inexplicable to me, I’m always brought back to an interview I heard with Stephen Rochford a few years ago. He talked about you not being able to win every battle and to keep every player quiet as teams at the top level have too many so sometimes you have to sacrifice something on the pitch to get gains elsewhere. When I look back on the switch option a with Tom then they are: 1) Foley who was destroying Comer 2) Get Morley closer to Walsh but then that would compromise our defensive system that had been working so well for us 3) move White onto him but then that would have taken away from our attacking game plan as White is essential to that. I do agree with you that it’s a fine line but I think the lads on the line got it right, thank god!! I agree, leaving just one of their forwards do damage and score 0-4 from play while keeping all the rest quiet and eliminate their goal scoring threat would be an acceptable compromise by management. I do think Gavin White could have maintained his attacking threat and marked Walsh, as most of Walsh's scores came from the usual lateral build-up so would have given time for White to funnel back from any foray upfield. The big outlier however was McDaid who scored just as much as Walsh from play (0-4), with 0-3 coming in the 2nd half. He set up another two or three, and late on should have scored another point and was fouled for a free that was hit wide. Certainly wouldn't have pleased management and they didn't really do anything to curb his influence.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 11, 2022 15:38:10 GMT
If Kerry had lost the final I wonder would supporters have been as sanguine about the decision of management to leave Tom O’Sullivan on Shane Walsh. I suspect there would have been a lot of questions asked. Victory tends to camouflage a lot of deficiencies. While I do 100% agree with you, I also think what you’re saying illustrates how important it was to get a winner in to coach us. Getting over the line is hard, as we’ve seen over the last few years, and I feel like Kerry had a plan that once we conceded no goals then we thought that we’d win. Walsh isn’t anywhere near as much of a goal threat as Comer, so the plan was to wrap him up and let Walsh take relatively low percentage shots from 40 yards. Some managers, myself included, would probably have panicked and changed the system or moved someone else onto Walsh but we stuck to what our game plan was. When stuff like that happens, stuff that seems inexplicable to me, I’m always brought back to an interview I heard with Stephen Rochford a few years ago. He talked about you not being able to win every battle and to keep every player quiet as teams at the top level have too many so sometimes you have to sacrifice something on the pitch to get gains elsewhere. When I look back on the switch option a with Tom then they are: 1) Foley who was destroying Comer 2) Get Morley closer to Walsh but then that would compromise our defensive system that had been working so well for us 3) move White onto him but then that would have taken away from our attacking game plan as White is essential to that. I do agree with you that it’s a fine line but I think the lads on the line got it right, thank god!! Probably the best bit of analysis of the AI final, or indeed any match, on here for a while. It was even evident from the TV that Tom O’Sullivan sacrificed himself for the team and sure you could say the same of all defenders, i.e. they play well by keeping their man quiet, or quiet as possible as is the case marking top class forwards like Walsh and Comer - it is damage limitation. PK wasn't happy with Foley until he realised he was 'the least worst option' vs the likes of Tyrone's McShane, etc. Same applies re the unfortunate posting on the Cliffords and indeed any Kerry forward. Triskaidekaphobia it is, fear of Gooch, no 13 and there are a lot of unlucky defenders about. With respect I wouldn't agree with young Veteran's terming it as a 'deficiency' - there never a game played where everyone won their match-ups, i.e. that the worst individual performance of the winning team was better than the best on the losing side? A comment on here also alluded to the strategic positioning of Morley and how that was focal to a defense setup that worked. While things were tight at times, we still won by 4 points and people may argue with some justification that it flattered us, maybe it was the Galway were under rated? If we played them on 3 consecutive Sundays, would they win one? Ah sure 'tis now only 5 months 'till we're off again and there are now about 10 teams who could get there next year - still only one can do it and hopefully Sam will take an extended break seeing as he hasn't been around for a while. P.S. Re White on Walsh, you are making a number of assumptions there, chief of which might be that Joyce wouldn't have noticed? In any event a lose Shane would put the fear of God into everyone - so nope, I disagree, a good man needs 100% intensive care from the best doctor on duty, as opposed to on call - we wouldn't want anything to happen to him, he could go walkabouts! PS2 Walsh's side stepping point shows that the man is possession has the advantage, and did he exploit it - they didn't even get near him, let alone a hand being put on him. His timing and reading of his opponents was sublime - some may say they could have done better but a laddo who has been there suggests that Walsh gave himself so many options they had little chance of, well getting a hand on him.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 11, 2022 16:35:20 GMT
If Kerry had lost the final I wonder would supporters have been as sanguine about the decision of management to leave Tom O’Sullivan on Shane Walsh. I suspect there would have been a lot of questions asked. Victory tends to camouflage a lot of deficiencies. While I do 100% agree with you, I also think what you’re saying illustrates how important it was to get a winner in to coach us. Getting over the line is hard, as we’ve seen over the last few years, and I feel like Kerry had a plan that once we conceded no goals then we thought that we’d win. Walsh isn’t anywhere near as much of a goal threat as Comer, so the plan was to wrap him up and let Walsh take relatively low percentage shots from 40 yards. Some managers, myself included, would probably have panicked and changed the system or moved someone else onto Walsh but we stuck to what our game plan was. When stuff like that happens, stuff that seems inexplicable to me, I’m always brought back to an interview I heard with Stephen Rochford a few years ago. He talked about you not being able to win every battle and to keep every player quiet as teams at the top level have too many so sometimes you have to sacrifice something on the pitch to get gains elsewhere. When I look back on the switch option a with Tom then they are: 1) Foley who was destroying Comer 2) Get Morley closer to Walsh but then that would compromise our defensive system that had been working so well for us 3) move White onto him but then that would have taken away from our attacking game plan as White is essential to that. I do agree with you that it’s a fine line but I think the lads on the line got it right, thank god!! 100% agree. I think the goal the Dubs got was not going to happen v Galway.....even if it that was an unreal finish too. Galway were never going to win by monster points from Shane Walsh but they were a price worth paying to stop goals. The down side was that Kerrys ability to create goal scoring attempts were compromised a bit. But thats another debate.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 11, 2022 16:50:08 GMT
If Kerry had lost the final I wonder would supporters have been as sanguine about the decision of management to leave Tom O’Sullivan on Shane Walsh. I suspect there would have been a lot of questions asked. Victory tends to camouflage a lot of deficiencies. As you know, if we had lost the final, absolutely everything and everyone would have been slaughtered. Nobody would have been sanguine about anything.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 11, 2022 16:54:01 GMT
If Kerry had lost the final I wonder would supporters have been as sanguine about the decision of management to leave Tom O’Sullivan on Shane Walsh. I suspect there would have been a lot of questions asked. Victory tends to camouflage a lot of deficiencies. As you know, if we had lost the final, absolutely everything and everyone would have been slaughtered. Nobody would have been sanguine about anything. Yeah and sure if Peter Keane had won a big game then people would have been happy with his management. Winning is the name of the game
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 11, 2022 16:54:37 GMT
While I do 100% agree with you, I also think what you’re saying illustrates how important it was to get a winner in to coach us. Getting over the line is hard, as we’ve seen over the last few years, and I feel like Kerry had a plan that once we conceded no goals then we thought that we’d win. Walsh isn’t anywhere near as much of a goal threat as Comer, so the plan was to wrap him up and let Walsh take relatively low percentage shots from 40 yards. Some managers, myself included, would probably have panicked and changed the system or moved someone else onto Walsh but we stuck to what our game plan was. When stuff like that happens, stuff that seems inexplicable to me, I’m always brought back to an interview I heard with Stephen Rochford a few years ago. He talked about you not being able to win every battle and to keep every player quiet as teams at the top level have too many so sometimes you have to sacrifice something on the pitch to get gains elsewhere. When I look back on the switch option a with Tom then they are: 1) Foley who was destroying Comer 2) Get Morley closer to Walsh but then that would compromise our defensive system that had been working so well for us 3) move White onto him but then that would have taken away from our attacking game plan as White is essential to that. I do agree with you that it’s a fine line but I think the lads on the line got it right, thank god!! 100% agree. I think the goal the Dubs got was not going to happen v Galway.....even if it that was an unreal finish too. Galway were never going to win by monster points from Shane Walsh but they were a price worth paying to stop goals. The down side was that Kerrys ability to create goal scoring attempts were compromised a bit. But thats another debate. The thing with Walsh was he was only really hurting us with his scores. He was not creating chances for others or winning a load of possession. How McDaid got his scores would have been more of a concern. For a game that has been analysed to death this past few weeks, I have yet to get an explanation of how this happened from a Kerry perspective
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Post by Aodhan on Aug 11, 2022 17:16:41 GMT
If Kerry had lost the final I wonder would supporters have been as sanguine about the decision of management to leave Tom O’Sullivan on Shane Walsh. I suspect there would have been a lot of questions asked. Victory tends to camouflage a lot of deficiencies. After 15/20 minutes I felt Brian O Beaglaoich should have been moved on Shane Walsh. It would not have disrupted the defensive system in any way and may well have enhanced it. Brian has the speed to stay with Walsh while Tom could have created havoc from wing back. It was looking for a while that Walsh was going to beat us on his own coupled with McDaid stepping up big time in the second half. Stephen O’Brien’s two first half defensive master pieces I believed saved the day. He made up for his error against Tyrone last year. Stephen, you are forgiven.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 11, 2022 17:22:10 GMT
If Kerry had lost the final I wonder would supporters have been as sanguine about the decision of management to leave Tom O’Sullivan on Shane Walsh. I suspect there would have been a lot of questions asked. Victory tends to camouflage a lot of deficiencies. After 15/20 minutes I felt Brian O Beaglaoich should have been moved on Shane Walsh. It would not have disrupted the defensive system in any way and may well have enhanced it. Brian has the speed to stay with Walsh while Tom could have created havoc from wing back. It was looking for a while that Walsh was going to beat us on his own coupled with McDaid stepping up big time in the second half. Stephen O’Brien’s two first half defensive master pieces I believed saved the day. He made up for his error against Tyrone last year. Stephen, you are forgiven. I was calling for Beaglaoich to be moved onto him too.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 11, 2022 17:46:05 GMT
100% agree. I think the goal the Dubs got was not going to happen v Galway.....even if it that was an unreal finish too. Galway were never going to win by monster points from Shane Walsh but they were a price worth paying to stop goals. The down side was that Kerrys ability to create goal scoring attempts were compromised a bit. But thats another debate. The thing with Walsh was he was only really hurting us with his scores. He was not creating chances for others or winning a load of possession. How McDaid got his scores would have been more of a concern. For a game that has been analysed to death this past few weeks, I have yet to get an explanation of how this happened from a Kerry perspective I mentioned last week that JoD in his podcast said that JB moved off marking McDaid once DMoran went off. McDaid was the player who was really doing the damage...he could easily have 6 points and he got that free too that time GW put in the shoulder tackle.
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Post by brucewayne on Aug 11, 2022 18:21:41 GMT
If Kerry had lost the final I wonder would supporters have been as sanguine about the decision of management to leave Tom O’Sullivan on Shane Walsh. I suspect there would have been a lot of questions asked. Victory tends to camouflage a lot of deficiencies. After 15/20 minutes I felt Brian O Beaglaoich should have been moved on Shane Walsh. It would not have disrupted the defensive system in any way and may well have enhanced it. Brian has the speed to stay with Walsh while Tom could have created havoc from wing back. It was looking for a while that Walsh was going to beat us on his own coupled with McDaid stepping up big time in the second half. Stephen O’Brien’s two first half defensive master pieces I believed saved the day. He made up for his error against Tyrone last year. Stephen, you are forgiven. Stephen put in an almighty shift in the 1st half, it was beautiful to watch. He brought an abundance of good stuff, his speed was unreal. In saying that, he made these amazing interventions that made him unmissable while DOC worked and worked and did just as much important work as Stephen too. Graham Sull though, exhibition.
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Post by veteran on Aug 11, 2022 18:25:42 GMT
Kerrybhoy, that was a good response to the debate I initiated. It is great to be able to be able to indulge in something so academic at this stage with Sam in the bag. Of course it is not entirely of academic interest because it is not unlikely that Galway could be a roadblock in our journey next year and Shane Walsh and Damien Comer will need to be dealt with again.
Prior to the final, some of us here were discussing likely matchups in the final and I suggested Brian O’Beaghlaigh for Shane Walsh. I note Aodhan and Whoseinmidfield seem to be of like mind. Why diid I suggest Brian?
Brian has tons of pace, is tenacious , would not be physically disadvantaged against Shane, has plenty of attitude and likes to operate in open prairie, just like Shane. He marked Shane in the the NFL in Tralee some years ago, the day David Clifford did the drag back , and snuffed him out. At the time I described Bran as the marker from hell for Shane. You might say, there is a big difference between a NFL game in Tralee and a championship game in Croke Park. That is a reasonable point but if you get the better, much the better , of an opponent in any game surely you will approach the next game against him full of confidence. Witness how Jack Barry grows an extra foot every time he meets Brian Fenton.
Somebody said in a previous post that Shane Walsh, in that mood , this year’s final, is impossible to subdue. I do not accept that suggestion. A footballer is in “that mood” if his opponent is not good enough on a particular day. Witness the blotting out of Shane by a little known back against Derry. Shane was not allowed to be in the mood that day.
It is reasonable to say in respect of the Derry match, Shane was shut out but look at the damage Damien Comer did. I do not want to detract one jot from Damien because he is a marvelous footballer. However, he was being marked by a fullback whose heart was in midfield , unlike Jason, and he scored a second goal, a fine effort indeed , when the Derry goalie was out walking his dog in some other parish.
I would be one of last people to criticise Tom O’Sullivan. He has been one of our best players over the past couple of years , very often in defeat. However, I do think his form dipped in 2022 and I am not just referring to the final. It happens the best of players. For example he was well beaten Ryan O’Donoghue in Tralee , conceding points from play and from frees for fouls he committed on Ryan. There were other games along the way as well when he did not attain his ,admittedly , high standards of other years.
I will now pose a further question. If we meet Galway next year with our same back line and their same forward line, would management be prepared to delegate the responsibility for Shane Walsh to Tom again?
As a final word . We will never know how Brian would have fared on Shane in the final. No harm in speculating though.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 11, 2022 18:53:12 GMT
I genuinely think that they would put Tom on him again, is actually be surprised if we didn’t!
I would rate Tom as a better market than Brian and would think he has more ability to put a forward on the back foot but he just didn’t play his best game.
As you were saying tho, it’s a great debate to have with Sam in the bag!
Out of interest, how much did the Galway forwards score outside of Walsh?
I do fully agree that the McDaid performance would be of more concern as McDaid found himself in good position a few times outside his scores and butchered a couple of really good chances
All good things to work on and I’m sure they’ll be ironed out by this time next year when we are planning for 3 in a row 😀
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