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Post by greengold35 on Aug 3, 2022 12:28:27 GMT
The reason I asked the question is because when I was watching a recording of the match on Monday evening Kevin McStay repeatedly said he had never seen anything like it ,in reference to the scoring exploits of David and Shane Walsh. I can’t understand how Kevin forgot Maurice’s heroics particularly as it was achieved against his native county. The fact is that Maurice more or less matched what the two lads did. Reading the match programme, I notice that Sean O’Shea is credited with scoring ten points in the 2019 final , presumably the drawn game. I had forgotten he got such a haul. It doesn’t say how many were from play. Mickmack, you maybe right in your interpretation of what Kevin McStay said. Seanie did indeed hit 10 points with 4 coming from frees, 3 “45”s plus 3 from play - he had 100% accuracy from placed balls.
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Post by veteran on Aug 3, 2022 12:36:07 GMT
Reading the match programme, I notice that Sean O’Shea is credited with scoring ten points in the 2019 final , presumably the drawn game. I had forgotten he got such a haul. It doesn’t say how many were from play. Mickmack, you maybe right in your interpretation of what Kevin McStay said. Seanie did indeed hit 10 points with 4 coming from frees, 3 “45”s plus 3 from play - he had 100% accuracy from placed balls. Extraordinary contribution and he was only a garsun back then.
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Post by thehermit on Aug 3, 2022 12:49:33 GMT
Which gives you great hope for all that potential he still has - he'll learn a huge amount too from this year's final where he was not at his best (even though I think the problem lay more with his teammates not sending enough ball his way).
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 3, 2022 13:17:04 GMT
Micko, Jack and Sam: The story behind the iconic photo Cian O’Connor - son of Kerry manager Jack - on his photograph that lit up social media over the weekend MON, 01 AUG, 2022 - 15:27 Social share “We left Dingle on Friday morning with the Sam Maguire and headed for home in St Finians Bay before the official All-Ireland homecoming in Dromid that night. “What would normally be about a two hour journey took about four and half hours as we stopped at various places along the way including a call to see Jack’s good friend Dan Tim O’Sullivan in Kells. “At a few places, Jack would go on ahead and see if this person or that person was home and then he would ring me to bring the Cup. I’d have to time my run between the traffic so that Sam Maguire wouldn’t be spotted. “What struck me most was the reaction of people along the way. It was like carrying the relics of St James - everyone wanted to see and touch the Sam Maguire. “We eventually got home and gathered ourselves for a while. Shortly afterwards we met up with my aunts and uncles and travelled up to the family grave in Waterville where my grandparents, Jack’s mother and father are buried. Jack did a lot of praying to his parents during the year. “While we were there, Jack asked his brother Mike if we should call to see Mick O’Dwyer. “In the aftermath of the All-Ireland final, Micko had sent through a message to Jack congratulating him on the win over Galway. “Now you can only imagine how many messages Jack received after the game but certain messages mean a bit more and that one from Micko meant a lot to him. “Though they’d be club rivals, they would have fierce respect for each other. “Jack had been thinking about it during the day and felt it would be a nice gesture to call to see Micko with the trophy. We left the graveyard and headed down into Waterville. Nothing was arranged so we (Jack, Mike, myself and my wife Maeve) headed to Micko’s house but we weren’t sure he’d be there. “Mary, who helps out with Micko, answered the door and welcomed us in. In we went and there was Micko, sitting in a fine comfortable chair looking out towards the golf course. Jack sat down alongside him and they had a few quiet words for a few minutes. "I took a load of photos of them together but there was one of them in deep conversation that was the standout. “It was just the way that Jack was looking at Micko, and Micko had his hand on the Cup. “I knew straightaway that this was a powerful picture which sums up all that is good about Kerry football. It is never about one man - it is about tradition. I checked with Micko if he was happy that we made the picture public and he gave the green light. “We left for Dromid and after the ceremony there I said that I’d send the picture to the Kerry county board for use on their social media. I had to walk a few hundred yards to get phone reception and I rang Leona Twiss who is the Kerry GAA PRO and explained the picture I had taken. "She told me to send it on straightaway and she would do the rest. It went up on their social media around 8pm on Friday night and within 20 minutes it had 35,000 views. I don’t know how many people have seen it since. “As I said earlier, it is about the Kerry way and passing the baton through the generations. "At the homecoming in Dromid I watched Declan O’Sullivan in the middle of the crowd looking up with pride at Graham O’Sullivan on the platform. The wheel keeps on turning and hopefully another photograph like this will be taken in 30 or 40 years time.” In an interview with Colm O’Connor To Cian, Colm, Micko, Jacko, TCB, Forum members, etc - I can confirm that the photo is the first thing GAA folk up here North West mention. What I notice is the brevity - 'the photo' or 'Jack with Micko', then the GAA Smile, they may be our rivals but they are also admirers too, just as we acknowledge their brilliance. 'Clifford or Gooch?' is another 'salutation' - apparently it was a very good game from a neutrals perspective, and yes, people appreciated Galway running us close, the under dog will always have support though Kerry are popular when we do it, maybe we wear it well. I don't know if it's me or what but I'm in extra great form these days - ah we had a bit of a wait but sure that only makes it even more special. All Irelands are hard won and the competition is spiralling - who would have believed that Armagh and Derry would beat the Sam holders, and that Galway would nearly do it? Now I'd like to think there is good mileage in this panel but hey, there will be nothing easy, moreover as there is simply too many teams who believe they can do it, and as Henry Ford said - 'if you think you can you are probably right, just as if you think you can't you are also probably right', given how the tables turned this year it is a fool who would rule out any of the 10 teams or so that could do it based on what we now know about them. And maybe the girls day can't be too far away either. Was Gaelic football ever in a better place I wonder?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 3, 2022 13:26:54 GMT
After the match we took the M4/M6 to Galway and then the N59 to the South Mayo/North Galway border to spend the week exploring Connemara. It was a lot of driving in one day for an old boy and we arrived very tired but very happy. The house where we stayed is on the Mayo side of the border. The proprietress was delighted Kerry won because she "couldn't stand that crowd down the road gloating for the rest of the year". The GAA will never die with this wall to wall tribalism. We had only time to explore North Connemara. It is a stunningly beautiful location and would rival any part of Kerry for its splendour. Friday was a miserable day, the only one we experienced, and we had hoped to explore the Clifden area but all we could do was to go into a restaurant for a bite to eat. Before the meal I repaired to the boys' room where I met a true blue Dub and, on seeing my Kerry jacket, he congratulated me , as true blue Dubs tend to do. As we parted he proclaimed " that Clifford fella, sure anytime he gets the ball you know what he is going to do but you can do nothing about it. Ah jazus, he would break your heart". There you have it. David, the heart breaker and heart elevator all in one. It put me in mind of something Kerrybhoy said here on the days leading up to the match, something I applauded. "Keep it simple. Get as much ball as possible into the best forward in the country". Not bad advice. At this stage, the match has been well diced and spliced with little more to be said. It was a wonderful contest and of course it takes two teams to provide that. Apart from the gripping nature of the game there were two aspects which have merited little comment. The sporting approach of the teams without a hint of cynicism. A case of live and let live. Also, not a suggestion of anybody feigning injury. I can recall only two incidences of players needing prolonged attention- Sean Kelly and Cillian McDaid. David deservedly got a card for that careless tackle on Sean. Very shortly after that incident, which was in my vicinity, the Galway goalie directed a short kickout to Sean, towards the Hogan stand side. Sean had a head start on David but sweet Lord, David, not noted for his pace, overtook Sean to win the ball. It was total resolve rather than speed that enabled him to win that ball. As regards the Cillian McDaid's injury, I could not see the justification for the subsequent free. It appeared to me to me a fair, shoulder to shoulder hit, albeit venomous, executed by Gavin White. Talking about Gavin, similar to David, he won a ball in that second half in front of the Hogan stand which he had no right to win. As a Galway lad was about to collect Gavin whizzed past him like a tornado to collect and instigate an attack. He had a great match for a man who hobbled off against Dublin. I believe Padraig Joyce was unhappy about the late free awarded against John Daly. It was miles away from me and I was in no position to comment until I looked at the recording last night. There is no doubt John Daly clammed Killian's arm and technically it was a correct decision. The controversary arises from the fact that the player in possession usually gets away with it. I remember Stephen O'Brian being similarly penalised in a match in Croke Park. Not sure of the occasion. How decisive was the decision? We will never know. I felt Kerry were getting a grip at that stage but I am as biased as the next man. In any case , the free Cillian McDaid got after Gavin's tackle balanced it out. Ice in the veins from the Fossa kid to convert that very difficult one, with little help from the Galway supporters! I am surprised that people here get so worked up about All-Stars etc. Those awards are just a side show , being the opinions of people who often have their own agenda, to a large extent. What matters is what is won on grass. Reading some posts here this morning, I notice that somebody quoted Philly McMahon as saying that the physical approach employed by Dublin and Galway against David C was deficient. I smiled ruefully. Did Philly elaborate on his definition of "physical approach"? For instance I would be interested to know if that definition incorporated a smidgin of eye gouging. Just asking for a friend. During the year I was blessed with the addition of two new grandsons, now aged ten months and five weeks. As I was setting out for home after the Connemara holiday they shouted in unison " Hey Grandpa, we have a record which you will never achieve no matter how long you live. Kerry have never been beaten in an All-Ireland final in our lifetime". Cheeky devils. They start giving lip at an early age nowadays. P.S. Can anybody remember what Maurice scored in the 1997 final, from play and frees? Talking of GAA records and analysis, the apple didn't fall far Vet!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 3, 2022 15:05:55 GMT
Re those scandalous rumours as reported in The Kerryman, I heard stuff in the same vein in the run up to the match, and the person who told me wouldn't have mentioned such stuff unless he believed there was some element of truth in it, if innocently.
There is an fraternity who plant untruths to get innocent victims to believe and repeat.
What kind of individuals would do such a thing? And it isn't their first time, and they have done worse. They did similar in a case I am familiar with a while back but fair enough, a party who also stood wrongly accused cleared the air and much to the embarrassment of the culprits and who had accused someone of doing a wrong that they the culprits had actually done themselves.
You look at what is going on in other parts of the world today, then the prospect at home of a tight economy across the winter with families already having to decide between food and heat. Then we have a predominantly volunteer GAA group who make sacrifice so we can enjoy watching and chatting about a sport we love, they even win Sam for us - and then there are a few among us who treat them with such disrespect.
Anyway I just thought I'd flag it as it is unlikely I was the only person to hear it - the less attention they get the better, maybe a kick where the sun don't shine is what they need!
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Post by homerj on Aug 3, 2022 23:10:56 GMT
There is an fraternity who plant untruths to get innocent victims to believe and repeat. nothing innocent about somebody who latches on to fake news and sends it around. id call it malicious and they fully know what they are doing.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 4, 2022 9:29:27 GMT
There is an fraternity who plant untruths to get innocent victims to believe and repeat. nothing innocent about somebody who latches on to fake news and sends it around. id call it malicious and they fully know what they are doing. You miss the point - we have all at some stage believed something that wasn't true, and maybe repeated it, checking it out or whatever. The culprits are at the source and are often serial operators, pathological liars, they use social networks and not necessarily but increasingly social media, they are masters at manipulating opinions, be that local of global. If we can't discuss what we hear then we deny ourselves of freedom of speech so this nonsense won't stop any day soon. There are those who thrive on it, cackling cocks and hens, Drama Kings and Queens, Miss Nothings, etc - John B used to tell a great wan about a post mistress up the country who used to read peoples' mail - she'd then use her rump to reseal the envelope; unfortunately her likes are less proficient at sealing their lips. So in a way you are right, they are not innocent, more addicts, they thrive on gossip, occasionally begrudging; who said The Irish are a very fair race, we begrudge each other equally? So there you go - Donald Trumpet didn't invent fake news. Ballyfireside Quote of the day - Tell the right person and you tell the whole parish
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Post by veteran on Aug 5, 2022 8:50:46 GMT
That was a fascinatingly insightful comment by Sean O’Shea post the match when asked about his free taking approach. He said , as a young fellow taking them in his back garden he pretended he was taking them in Croke and now , when taking them in Croke Park, he pretends he is taking them in his back garden.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 5, 2022 9:33:45 GMT
That was a fascinatingly insightful comment by Sean O’Shea post the match when asked about his free taking approach. He said , as a young fellow taking them in his back garden he pretended he was taking them in Croke and now , when taking them in Croke Park, he pretends he is taking them in his back garden. I heard he used to make the class sing the National Anthem before the school yard lunchtime game; seriously - check it out!
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 5, 2022 9:57:53 GMT
I am just catching up on that podcast by JoD and Paddy Andrews.
One of them made an insightful comment that when DMoran went off, JB went onto Conroy and McDaid ran riot. DM was on Conroy in the first half and JB was keeping tabs on McDaid.
I was puzzled as to who was supposed to be picking up McDaid too in the second half. DoC had a fine match in the second half. I suppose it just developed into a shoot out as both sides went for it.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 5, 2022 10:06:31 GMT
Also, while Shane Walsh rightly get plaudits, i though McDaid was just as good.
Players like him will deliver in big matches at some point- they will make it happen.
4 points from midfield and it could have been 6. Against Armagh he scored the key goal and then that point after Jemar Hall had scored what looked like the winning point.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 6, 2022 8:08:22 GMT
We had An Poc ar Buile again in 2022 after 2014.
I like it. Paidí sang it somewhere I think in 1985.
They used to sing it back in Rugbaí CD too since about 2001 at least.
It might be half-claimed by West Kerry and by extension all of Kerry.
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Post by southward on Aug 6, 2022 8:27:30 GMT
We had An Poc ar Buile again in 2022 after 2014. I like it. Paidí sang it somewhere I think in 1985. They used to sing it back in Rugbaí CD too since about 2001 at least. It might be half-claimed by West Kerry and by extension all of Kerry. Anything's better than that other Godawful, dreary, victorian dirge.
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Post by john4 on Aug 6, 2022 9:13:03 GMT
We had An Poc ar Buile again in 2022 after 2014. I like it. Paidí sang it somewhere I think in 1985. They used to sing it back in Rugbaí CD too since about 2001 at least. It might be half-claimed by West Kerry and by extension all of Kerry. The tragic and untimely death of Limerick woman, and lead singer of the multiple hit band of the '90's "The Cranberries" Delores O'Riordan in 2018 just by pure fluke happened only months before Limerick ended their 45 year wait for their first All-Ireland Senior hurling title since 1973. Their global hit "Dreams" who's lyrics completely sum up the emotions of what it means to win after so long was a perfect fit for an after match celebration song. This Limerick song is iconic. The bar has been raised by Limerick but we can not compete with this, nor do I think that we should or feel the need to. There is no band of a global scale from Kerry (that I'm aware of!) Had Kilkenny won 3 weeks ago, we'd have got "The Rose of Mooncoyne" again and our "Rose of Moyderwell!" would have sounded alright!
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Post by thehermit on Aug 6, 2022 10:09:38 GMT
We had An Poc ar Buile again in 2022 after 2014. I like it. Paidí sang it somewhere I think in 1985. They used to sing it back in Rugbaí CD too since about 2001 at least. It might be half-claimed by West Kerry and by extension all of Kerry. Anything's better than that other Godawful, dreary, victorian dirge. How dare you, I love Mary!!! Ah no the Rose is grand, it's Kerry's county song what harm. Personally I wouldn't mind the Valley of Knockanure being blasted after victory but suppose if they're (Twitter) giving out about Sean South being sung they'd go for the Dalton boys soon enough. I think someone should put a decent tune to one of Sigerson Clifford's songs about Kerry football and then we'd be sorted. Either that or just re-release We Want Sam Maguire for every All Ireland.
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Post by thehermit on Aug 6, 2022 10:13:38 GMT
Also, while Shane Walsh rightly get plaudits, i though McDaid was just as good. Players like him will deliver in big matches at some point- they will make it happen. 4 points from midfield and it could have been 6. Against Armagh he scored the key goal and then that point after Jemar Hall had scored what looked like the winning point. Agree Mick, I thought McDaid was immense in that second half. He was bulldozing through the middle and banging huge ones over the bar. A man I'd like to have in my colours all year long. Hope we get to see plenty more of him, what age is he now?
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 6, 2022 10:19:10 GMT
Anything's better than that other Godawful, dreary, victorian dirge. How dare you, I love Mary!!! Ah no the Rose is grand, it's Kerry's county song what harm. Personally I wouldn't mind the Valley of Knockanure being blasted after victory but suppose if they're (Twitter) giving out about Sean South being sung they'd go for the Dalton boys soon enough. I think someone should put a decent tune to one of Sigerson Clifford's songs about Kerry football and then we'd be sorted. Either that or just re-release We Want Sam Maguire for every All Ireland. This should be it.it. Just change the first line from the 'Utah Desert' to the 'Stacks Mountain desert'
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Post by thehermit on Aug 6, 2022 10:23:06 GMT
It's a promised land alright 'working all day in my Daddy's farm, driving all night chasing some mirage' 😂😂
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Post by thehermit on Aug 6, 2022 10:24:23 GMT
Glory Days would be good, if Dreams just worked for Limerick than my God Bruce worked after Seanies free hit the stratosphere.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 6, 2022 10:31:03 GMT
Anything's better than that other Godawful, dreary, victorian dirge. How dare you, I love Mary!!! Ah no the Rose is grand, it's Kerry's county song what harm. Personally I wouldn't mind the Valley of Knockanure being blasted after victory but suppose if they're (Twitter) giving out about Sean South being sung they'd go for the Dalton boys soon enough. I think someone should put a decent tune to one of Sigerson Clifford's songs about Kerry football and then we'd be sorted. Either that or just re-release We Want Sam Maguire for every All Ireland. Without getting too political... Knockanure gets away with it as it is about the older IRA. Seán South somewhere between old IRA and provisionals (even if they had not yet formed). The thing about the Seán South song is that you cannot deny it is a deadly song even if you have misgivings around the content.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 6, 2022 10:55:35 GMT
Walking on cars are prob the only Kerry band of note
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Post by tpo on Aug 6, 2022 11:08:32 GMT
The Boys of Barr na Sráide
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Post by thehermit on Aug 6, 2022 11:14:35 GMT
The Boys of Barr na Sráide Nah too south Kerry, has to be a North Kerry song, the real Kerry
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Post by southward on Aug 6, 2022 13:14:58 GMT
Have we any Christie Hennessy songs that might suit Croke park? There are old songs like "The Golden Jubilee" and "Brosna Town" or maybe some famous old song that mentions the name Kingdom. However I must admit that hearing the" Rose of Tralee"played last Sunday week after the match made the hair stand on the back of my neck and gave me immense pride. Messenger Boy is good and lively, that's what you want to celebrate by. Sorry but the Rose just seems more suited to an old maiden auntie's funeral.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 8, 2022 15:33:38 GMT
St Brendan!
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Post by ciarrai4sam on Aug 9, 2022 21:58:50 GMT
Anyone have the link to the full football final from rte by any chance, commentary build up and ending, YouTube ones just have match,
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 10, 2022 0:27:32 GMT
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 10, 2022 6:51:00 GMT
Jason Foley leaves Ballyd to join a club 2 hours away, for arguments sake we’ll say Nemo rangers. Do you wish him well? No rambling nonsense, just a simple yes or no
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 10, 2022 8:46:10 GMT
A simple yes or no doesn’t cut it as it depends on the criteria, for example, didn’t the Hassett's play with a team in Wicklow, Jack O’Shea in Lexslip, Tomàs Nemo, James O’Shea, Jack Ferriter and I think Mark Griffin Bishopsyown… off the top of my head.
The transfers I have a serious gripe with is when a promising county or underage players moving from a rural to a high profile club, best example to mind wise an U21 midfielder from Tousist to Crokes. Which resulted in their former club struggling to field teams.
If outside the county for a ‘genuine’ reason, I have no issue, if untoward like the above, totally against.
Ironically, you used a NK player as an example, not too long ago a neighbouring NK club’s county midfielder transferred to Mitchels on securing a building contract, what was the journey time … forty minutes away??
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