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Post by onlykerry on Jan 18, 2022 18:05:03 GMT
The GAA's central council will meet on Saturday to consider the two proposals for potential Gaelic football reform with the green proposal set for significant backing.
Two templates have been drawn up for consideration ahead of next month’s annual congress.
From 2023 onwards, the red proposal could see a round robin provincial championship in February and March, followed by a league-based championship from April.
Meanwhile, the green proposal would see the retention of the current Allianz League and provincial championships from 2021 - followed by round-robin groups in the Sam Maguire and Tailteann Cups.
-------- Great to see to has not taken years to react to the close defeat of the recent restructuring vote and it appears that the concerns about the provincials has been taken on board. Not sure if anybody knows who goes into which round robin championship or how a season would look - if anyone has more details.....
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 18, 2022 19:09:50 GMT
A bit of searching turned up this article which seems to have the most detail on the red and green proposal. The Red Option looks like the worse of the two options there - the round-robin provincials championships would surely be a disaster, simply increasing the number of uncompetitive matches significantly combined with the fact of playing the same opposition over and over every year. Kerry playing Waterford every year in a game where Kerry would know that there's a good chance that scoring difference could well be a factor so don't even have the option to ease off. A disaster for Waterford and a disaster for Kerry. The "new" league would also surely be less competitive - Kerry for example would have 4 less matches against Division 1 opposition and have 4 more matches against Division 2 opposition. At every level the league would be less competitive. Also I could definitely see there being issues with dead legs in the last round of the "new" league when the top 3 in each of the 1 Division are going through to the quarter-finals - I could easily forsee a situation where Kerry could be mathematically guaranteed one of the top 3 spots before the final game and already have 2 points banked as provincial winners for the round-robin stage. The Green Option looks like a less worse option. Still gives way too much importance to the provincial competitions. Unfortunately this situation is likely to continue until such a time as the wasteful Provincial Councils are scrapped. I'd be concerned about the 4 team group stages possibly being a less competitive Super 8. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40770249.html
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 18, 2022 19:22:47 GMT
A bit of searching turned up this article which seems to have the most detail on the red and green proposal. The Red Option looks like the worse of the two options there - the round-robin provincials championships would surely be a disaster, simply increasing the number of uncompetitive matches significantly combined with the fact of playing the same opposition over and over every year. Kerry playing Waterford every year in a game where Kerry would know that there's a good chance that scoring difference could well be a factor so don't even have the option to ease off. A disaster for Waterford and a disaster for Kerry. The "new" league would also surely be less competitive - Kerry for example would have 4 less matches against Division 1 opposition and have 4 more matches against Division 2 opposition. At every level the league would be less competitive. Also I could definitely see there being issues with dead legs in the last round of the "new" league when the top 3 in each of the 1 Division are going through to the quarter-finals - I could easily forsee a situation where Kerry could be mathematically guaranteed one of the top 3 spots before the final game and already have 2 points banked as provincial winners for the round-robin stage. The Green Option looks like a less worse option. Still gives way too much importance to the provincial competitions. Unfortunately this situation is likely to continue until such a time as the wasteful Provincial Councils are scrapped. I'd be concerned about the 4 team group stages possibly being a less competitive Super 8. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40770249.htmlBrilliant analysis.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 19, 2022 10:42:54 GMT
Don’t ruin the Football League to bail out a bad plan for Championship Martin Breheny
First rule of good governance: change what’s wrong – don’t meddle with what isn’t. Second rule: be smart enough to know the difference. Hopefully, GAA Central Council will be guided by those principles when two proposals for changes the All-Ireland football championship come before them on Saturday.
If they are, then one of the proposals will be binned instantly, since it’s a clear example of interfering with something that’s perfectly sound.
In this case, it’s the Allianz Football League, the only inter-county competition that’s run purely on merit.
No mixing of counties of wildly varying standards, as happens in Division 1 of the hurling equivalent.
No protection of the strong at the expense of lower-ranked, as happens in the Leinster and Munster Football Championships where the draws are seeded.
No geography-based unfairness, as happens in the Championship, where despite the four provinces having a different number of counties, they each get one automatic place in the All-Ireland stages.
Four divisions of eight teams each, with a two-up, two-down promotion system makes the Football League the fairest, most competitive, most incentivised competition of all.
Tampering with it shouldn’t be countenanced, yet that’s on Saturday’s agenda as part of the so-called ‘red’ proposal for Championship reform.
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It involves running off the provincial Championships first, followed by the League. Finishing places there would decide which counties qualified for the Sam Maguire and Tailteann Cup tiers.
In order to give the provincial Championships an input to the Sam Maguire tier, the four winners would receive a two-point bonus on the League table with the runners-up getting one.
The sting in the tail comes with the proposal to interfere with the League format.
That would involve a restructure, so that the top 16 would comprise Divisions 1A and 1B, with the bottom 16 in 2A and 2B.
There’s the objectionable part. Instead of four divisions, based purely on merit, teams of different standards would be put together. It would also reduce the number of heavyweight clashes as not all of the top counties would be in the same group.
It’s ridiculous to suggest there are 16 teams of broadly equal standard, either in the top half or indeed in the bottom half.
For example, are Offaly, who have just come up from Division 3 anywhere near the standard set by Tyrone, Dublin, Kerry and Mayo? Not yet anyway, but if the proposed system applied this year, they would find themselves playing two of them.
The current system allows Offaly to build on their Division 3 progress against higher-ranked Division 2 opposition but doesn’t ask them to take on the super-powers.
That’s what a League is all about, progression through the ranks, rather than tossing teams of varying standards into the one group.
At the lower end, combining the Division 3 and 4 teams into 2A and 2B would inflict more misery on quite a few.
There’s quite a difference in standards between counties at the top end of Division 3 (two of which would have come from Division 2) and those at the lower end of Division 4.
So where’s the incentive for the latter group?
As things stand, they can aspire to improve against other bottom eight teams, but now they would find themselves facing much higher-ranked opposition too.
Winning promotion from Division 4 might not look much of a prize for those looking down from lofty peaks, but it matters to those involved.
Remember the excitement in Carlow in 2018 when they won promotion for the first time in 33 years? Or in Leitrim in 2019 when they were promoted from Division 4 for the first time in nine years?
If the bottom 16 are mixed together in two groups of eight, the chances of Carlow, Leitrim, Wicklow, Waterford and some others being promoted will be cut substantially, thereby removing what is now an attainable prize.
The argument that change is good and that refreshing the League with top 16/bottom 16 groups is worth an experiment doesn’t hold because this is not something new and imaginative.
In fact, it’s used goods, having previously applied between 1999 and 2007, before being discarded because of the obvious deficiencies.
It’s now back on the agenda as part of a proposed All-Ireland fix. Time to reach for the delete button!
That leaves the ‘green’ championship proposal which seeks to retain the provincial championships as a core part of the All-Ireland series while also rewarding higher League finishers. The rest would head for the Tailteann Cup.
The eight provincial finalists would automatically qualify for the All-Ireland series, together with the eight best League finishers. The four provincial winners would be top seeds in four groups of four, played off on a round-robin basis to decide the All-Ireland quarter-finalists.
The big problem with this plan is that it retains the unfair and imbalanced provincial Championships as its core. Still, it’s better than the other one, which includes a clumsy manoeuvre to award extra League points for wins in other competitions (provincial Championships) while also wrecking the perfectly good divisional format that currently exists.
Another difficulty with both proposals is their complicated nature. I guarantee that the vast majority of GAA people have little idea of the details. And if past experiences are anything to go by, that applies to players too.
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Post by dc84 on Jan 19, 2022 14:51:00 GMT
What is it with the gaa and organising convoluted systems and names? I wouldn't be gone on either of those proposals as laid out there tbh. The fact that (as reported) we were one of the counties that are resistant to change galls me a bit we have more to gain than anyone from getting away from provincals.its so bloody frustrating! I'm so sick of the provincals its ridiculous, even if cork get back up to a level of proper competition its all so monotonous same teams every single year ! That was one of the good things about the super 8s variety. We got to play different teams in different venues, mayo in killarney, above in navan and clones. If it was done right we could've had the dubs in killarney or thurles, trips to Galway, Donegal Tyrone armagh etc during the summer. Instead this year it looks like a trip to pairc ui rinn 🤔 and possibly a mouth watering trip to ennis or the arrival of tipp to killarney. After that it would be croke park for the remainder (If we get that far). Not the most exciting prospect is it?
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Post by buck02 on Jan 19, 2022 16:01:24 GMT
The fact that (as reported) we were one of the counties that are resistant to change galls me a bit we have more to gain than anyone from getting away from provincals.its so bloody frustrating! I'm so sick of the provincals its ridiculous, even if cork get back up to a level of proper competition its all so monotonous same teams every single year ! That was one of the good things about the super 8s variety. could've had the dubs in killarney or thurles, trips to Galway, Donegal Tyrone armagh etc during the summer. Well when you say "we" what you mean is the previous County Board management committee. The clubs were given minimal information and minimal time to have meaningful debate before special congress and the fact that the county board meeting was held by zoom didn't lend to any debate. The Kerry players had expressed a desire to move away from the current championship structures. The cynic in me could suggest that the former chairman was keeping an eye on the upcoming appointment in the Munster Council and was not willing to seen to be stepping out of line on the matter. Instead we sat on the fence and said we would adapt a "wait and see" policy. Maybe the new people in charge of the county board might be more open to change. And hopefully they listen to the players - the people who really matter - this time round.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 19, 2022 16:19:56 GMT
What is it with the gaa and organising convoluted systems and names? I wouldn't be gone on either of those proposals as laid out there tbh. The fact that (as reported) we were one of the counties that are resistant to change galls me a bit we have more to gain than anyone from getting away from provincals.its so bloody frustrating! I'm so sick of the provincals its ridiculous, even if cork get back up to a level of proper competition its all so monotonous same teams every single year ! That was one of the good things about the super 8s variety. We got to play different teams in different venues, mayo in killarney, above in navan and clones. If it was done right we could've had the dubs in killarney or thurles, trips to Galway, Donegal Tyrone armagh etc during the summer. Instead this year it looks like a trip to pairc ui rinn 🤔 and possibly a mouth watering trip to ennis or the arrival of tipp to killarney. After that it would be croke park for the remainder (If we get that far). Not the most exciting prospect is it? This is what happens when you try to please everyone. The one decent competition where ALL 8 top teams get to play each other EVERY is the league and that now looks like it will be tampered with.
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Post by dc84 on Jan 19, 2022 17:35:16 GMT
What is it with the gaa and organising convoluted systems and names? I wouldn't be gone on either of those proposals as laid out there tbh. The fact that (as reported) we were one of the counties that are resistant to change galls me a bit we have more to gain than anyone from getting away from provincals.its so bloody frustrating! I'm so sick of the provincals its ridiculous, even if cork get back up to a level of proper competition its all so monotonous same teams every single year ! That was one of the good things about the super 8s variety. We got to play different teams in different venues, mayo in killarney, above in navan and clones. If it was done right we could've had the dubs in killarney or thurles, trips to Galway, Donegal Tyrone armagh etc during the summer. Instead this year it looks like a trip to pairc ui rinn 🤔 and possibly a mouth watering trip to ennis or the arrival of tipp to killarney. After that it would be croke park for the remainder (If we get that far). Not the most exciting prospect is it? This is what happens when you try to please everyone. The one decent competition where ALL 8 top teams get to play each other EVERY is the league and that now looks like it will be tampered with. Yeah once they decided that everyone has to have the chance to play for Sam this was always going to happen.
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 19, 2022 18:14:55 GMT
What is it with the gaa and organising convoluted systems and names? I wouldn't be gone on either of those proposals as laid out there tbh. The fact that (as reported) we were one of the counties that are resistant to change galls me a bit we have more to gain than anyone from getting away from provincals.its so bloody frustrating! I'm so sick of the provincals its ridiculous, even if cork get back up to a level of proper competition its all so monotonous same teams every single year ! That was one of the good things about the super 8s variety. We got to play different teams in different venues, mayo in killarney, above in navan and clones. If it was done right we could've had the dubs in killarney or thurles, trips to Galway, Donegal Tyrone armagh etc during the summer. Instead this year it looks like a trip to pairc ui rinn 🤔 and possibly a mouth watering trip to ennis or the arrival of tipp to killarney. After that it would be croke park for the remainder (If we get that far). Not the most exciting prospect is it? This is what happens when you try to please everyone. The one decent competition where ALL 8 top teams get to play each other EVERY is the league and that now looks like it will be tampered with. Can you clarify what you mean by the league being tampered with? As far as I can make out the "Green" proposal (which is the one that is most likely to be adopted from comments to date from GPA and Provincial councils) leaves both provincials and league as they are but then sets up a 16 team Sam Maguire and a 17 team Tailtean Cup. The 16 Team Sam Maguire consists of four groups of four with a round robin competition where one game is home, one away and one at a neutral venue. The 16 teams are the 8 provincial finalists plus the next 8 highest ranked teams from the league. Not sure how many qualify from the groups of 4 but presume its 2 giving a QF round with SF and F to follow. Every county gets a minimum of 3 championship games with the eventual winners playing 6 games. Every county has a theoretical chance of playing in the Sam Maguire each year and there will be novel pairings in the round robin series. It seems to tick a lot of boxes.
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 19, 2022 19:00:59 GMT
The fact that (as reported) we were one of the counties that are resistant to change galls me a bit we have more to gain than anyone from getting away from provincals.its so bloody frustrating! I'm so sick of the provincals its ridiculous, even if cork get back up to a level of proper competition its all so monotonous same teams every single year ! That was one of the good things about the super 8s variety. could've had the dubs in killarney or thurles, trips to Galway, Donegal Tyrone armagh etc during the summer. Well when you say "we" what you mean is the previous County Board management committee. The clubs were given minimal information and minimal time to have meaningful debate before special congress and the fact that the county board meeting was held by zoom didn't lend to any debate. The Kerry players had expressed a desire to move away from the current championship structures. The cynic in me could suggest that the former chairman was keeping an eye on the upcoming appointment in the Munster Council and was not willing to seen to be stepping out of line on the matter. Instead we sat on the fence and said we would adapt a "wait and see" policy. Maybe the new people in charge of the county board might be more open to change. And hopefully they listen to the players - the people who really matter - this time round. The makeup and terms of reference of the Fixtures Calendar Review Task Force was announced on the 9th of June 2019. Their initial recommendations were first launched on the 4th of December 2019. There were 3 different proposals put forward at this stage in relation to the championship structure. There was a whole swathe of meetings and workshops throughout 2020 before Proposal A and Proposal B were finally decided on. As far as I can see the finalised version of Option A and Option B were posted on the GAA website on the 4th of November 2020. www.gaa.ie/news-archive/news/fixtures-task-force-recommends-split-season-model-for-gaa-calendar/The initial plan was that Proposal A and Proposal B would be voted on at the Annual Congress on the 27th of February 2021. As far as I can see these two proposals are identical to Option A and Option B that were voted on at the Special Congress on the 23rd of October 2021. The GAA webite doesn't have the exact wording for Motion 18 and 19 as they were for Annual Congress in February but does have a link to when they were finalised but not in the form of the motion submitted to Congress. I'm pointing this out because it looks like there might have been changes to the wording of the motions. These changes if any they did occur might have been to make things more clear or maybe for some small technical tweak but as far as I can see Proposal A and Proposal B announced on 4th of November 2020 were pretty much completely identical to what was voted on almost a year later as Congress. www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-special-congress-2021-the-motions-explained/Kerry GAA showing up at the Special Congress and asking for the vote to be delayed was utterly embarrassing as it seems to clearly indicate that the relevant people in Kerry GAA had been totally tuned out during this whole process. Reeked of a lad turning up for the Leaving Cert that had already been postponed 8 months and when he got the first paper putting his hand up and saying he never knew that there was going to be an exam on and could everyone please postpone things for a few weeks so he could do a bit of study.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 21, 2022 9:51:18 GMT
This is what happens when you try to please everyone. The one decent competition where ALL 8 top teams get to play each other EVERY is the league and that now looks like it will be tampered with. Can you clarify what you mean by the league being tampered with? As far as I can make out the "Green" proposal (which is the one that is most likely to be adopted from comments to date from GPA and Provincial councils) leaves both provincials and league as they are but then sets up a 16 team Sam Maguire and a 17 team Tailtean Cup. The 16 Team Sam Maguire consists of four groups of four with a round robin competition where one game is home, one away and one at a neutral venue. The 16 teams are the 8 provincial finalists plus the next 8 highest ranked teams from the league. Not sure how many qualify from the groups of 4 but presume its 2 giving a QF round with SF and F to follow. Every county gets a minimum of 3 championship games with the eventual winners playing 6 games. Every county has a theoretical chance of playing in the Sam Maguire each year and there will be novel pairings in the round robin series. It seems to tick a lot of boxes. I will revert when i read the proposals again. You post makes me think that i may have mis read it
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 22, 2022 19:18:41 GMT
Green it is
Central council today agreed to put the "Green" proposal to Congress next month. As expected the Red proposal had little support.
Another interesting one is they are also proposing an U19 hurling and football championship from 2023 - is this a new grade or a coming together of the U17 and U20 grades - has anyone any further insights on this development?
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Post by john4 on Jan 22, 2022 20:26:47 GMT
Green it is Central council today agreed to put the "Green" proposal to Congress next month. As expected the Red proposal had little support. Another interesting one is they are also proposing an U19 hurling and football championship from 2023 - is this a new grade or a coming together of the U17 and U20 grades - has anyone any further insights on this development? An Coiste Bainistíochta/Ard Chomhairle Bulletin 22ú Eanair 2022 A chairde, Virtual meetings of both An Coiste Bainistíochta and Ard Chomhairle took place last night and today respectively and the following matters, among others, were decided: It was agreed to put forward the ‘green’ proposal for the football championship to Congress for consideration, and also to submit a motion to introduce an U19 Minor Intercounty Hurling and Football Championship from 2023 onwards. It was agreed to allow the decision to include Kerry in Appendix 4 of the Official Guide to stand. Motions submitted by units relative to the coaching and games funding model (referred to Ard Chomhairle by the Rules Advisory Committee), along with a proposal from the National Games Development Committee, which was presented to members, will now be discussed by counties with a view to the introduction of a new funding model beginning with the financial year 2023. It's a pity there isn't more flesh on the bones in terms of information in this bulletin. Presumably it's the U20 championship that's in line for the chop, but it's not clear.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2022 21:18:14 GMT
Can you clarify what you mean by the league being tampered with? As far as I can make out the "Green" proposal (which is the one that is most likely to be adopted from comments to date from GPA and Provincial councils) leaves both provincials and league as they are but then sets up a 16 team Sam Maguire and a 17 team Tailtean Cup. The 16 Team Sam Maguire consists of four groups of four with a round robin competition where one game is home, one away and one at a neutral venue. The 16 teams are the 8 provincial finalists plus the next 8 highest ranked teams from the league. Not sure how many qualify from the groups of 4 but presume its 2 giving a QF round with SF and F to follow. Every county gets a minimum of 3 championship games with the eventual winners playing 6 games. Every county has a theoretical chance of playing in the Sam Maguire each year and there will be novel pairings in the round robin series. It seems to tick a lot of boxes. I will revert when i read the proposals again. You post makes me think that i may have mis read it so the league stays the same mick? That doesn't sound so bad now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2022 22:17:35 GMT
The green proposal seems to be more games for the sake of it. Kerry will be guaranteed a spot in the last 16/round robin every year as they will always be one of the better league teams so can take a break in Munster
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 22, 2022 23:59:23 GMT
I suppose players prefer to be playing games than having training sessions.
Games that dont have the 'do or die winner takes all edge' are seldom worth the candle for me and it looks like there will be a several of those for Kerry before the QF stage.
I assume the 'knock out' part starts when they get down to the QFs for the last 8.
The Ulster counties who dont reach the Ulster final will be taking the league very seriously. A small county like Monaghan will struggle if a few key players get injured.
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 23, 2022 1:17:36 GMT
If the "Green" proposal was in play in 2021 the following counties would have made up the 4 Sam Maguire groups
Mayo, Galway, Dublin, Kildare, Cork, Kerry, Monaghan, Tyrone by virtue of making their provincial finals and the next eight from the league would have been Donegal, Armagh, Roscommon, Meath, Down, Clare, Derry and Offaly
This would basically have been the all division 1 and 2 (after relegations and promotions) - 3 Connaught, 3 Munster, 4 Leinster and 6 Ulster teams.
There had been talk of the previous years Tailteann winners being in the Sam Maguire the following year but there is no mention of this in any of the recent explainers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2022 2:46:32 GMT
At least now the league remains separate and integrated in the championship.
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Post by Aodhan on Jan 23, 2022 3:00:06 GMT
The green proposal seems to be more games for the sake of it. Kerry will be guaranteed a spot in the last 16/round robin every year as they will always be one of the better league teams so can take a break in Munster Doubtful if they will take a break. Surely the Provincial winners will receive the top 4 seeds and be kept apart in the group stages. Also Kerry needs to keep a winning mentality, something Jack seems to be instilling on the evidence of the McGrath Cup. The green proposal happens to make both the Provincials and League more relevant.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 23, 2022 8:36:07 GMT
If the "Green" proposal was in play in 2021 the following counties would have made up the 4 Sam Maguire groups Mayo, Galway, Dublin, Kildare, Cork, Kerry, Monaghan, Tyrone by virtue of making their provincial finals and the next eight from the league would have been Donegal, Armagh, Roscommon, Meath, Down, Clare, Derry and Offaly This would basically have been the all division 1 and 2 (after relegations and promotions) - 3 Connaught, 3 Munster, 4 Leinster and 6 Ulster teams. There had been talk of the previous years Tailteann winners being in the Sam Maguire the following year but there is no mention of this in any of the recent explainers. Re Tailteann Cup - it is arguably easier to get 'out' of Taillteann Cup with a good team by reaching a provincial title. I think this is the way to go and similar to Jimmy McG's model.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 23, 2022 9:16:14 GMT
If the "Green" proposal was in play in 2021 the following counties would have made up the 4 Sam Maguire groups Mayo, Galway, Dublin, Kildare, Cork, Kerry, Monaghan, Tyrone by virtue of making their provincial finals and the next eight from the league would have been Donegal, Armagh, Roscommon, Meath, Down, Clare, Derry and Offaly This would basically have been the all division 1 and 2 (after relegations and promotions) - 3 Connaught, 3 Munster, 4 Leinster and 6 Ulster teams. Kerry need to be playing 'football counties' before the knockout phase so they will get that certainly. Most counties will have a dozen matches at least before the 'last 8 knock out' business begins. With the final in July, it will be a full on programme for the first 6 months of the year. I wonder will they try to put the sigerson and club finals into Nov and December.
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Post by john4 on Jan 23, 2022 9:25:43 GMT
According to the examiner, the U19 grade is a replacement for the U17 Minor grade.
"As was expected, a change in the minor grade at inter-county level to U19 was proposed for Congress. If successful, it will come in for the 2023 season"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2022 11:39:35 GMT
According to the examiner, the U19 grade is a replacement for the U17 Minor grade. "As was expected, a change in the minor grade at inter-county level to U19 was proposed for Congress. If successful, it will come in for the 2023 season" so will U20 go back to U21?
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Post by clarinman on Jan 23, 2022 14:31:02 GMT
According to the examiner, the U19 grade is a replacement for the U17 Minor grade. "As was expected, a change in the minor grade at inter-county level to U19 was proposed for Congress. If successful, it will come in for the 2023 season" so will U20 go back to U21? Sean Moran of Irish Times says that there will be one elite-level underage competition at u19. The u17 grade will be a development competition. This proposal will go to Congress for a 3 year trial.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2022 15:50:49 GMT
so will U20 go back to U21? Sean Moran of Irish Times says that there will be one elite-level underage competition at u19. The u17 grade will be a development competition. This proposal will go to Congress for a 3 year trial. mmm, so 1 competition at U19 that seems worse than U20. If they had U19 and U21 that would be better in my view.
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Post by john4 on Jan 23, 2022 16:09:25 GMT
Was there talk once about an U23 championship
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 24, 2022 22:11:09 GMT
There were two additional nuggets of information in the Indo today
- The four group winners go forward to the Quarter Finals with the four second place teams facing the 4 third place teams to see who they will end up playing the 4 group winners in the QF's. Not sure if this will take the bite out of the round robin series if 12 of the 16 teams get to knock out games. It also adds another weekend of games - perhaps the reward for winning your group is a weekend off and maybe this will be incentive enough.
- There will be only one underage national competition at u19 age level. I think the GAA are right to make the grade at U19 rather than U17 or even U18 but think they are missing a trick dropping the U20/21 age group as well as the Junior grade (or so it seems). Based on what I have seen and witnessed over the years the gap between School years and work is where a load of club players are lost and I think the GAA need to show more imagination and put in more effort to keeping players active and engaged in the 19-23 age category. A County and National grade of some sort is required for this age group.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2022 22:44:43 GMT
So Kerry can lose in Munster in the first round, then lose two of the three round robin games and still end up in the last 12. I don’t see this as any great improvement.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 24, 2022 23:51:08 GMT
Fast forward to 2022... the provincial championships will be run off and those counties who don't reach the provincial finals will see the league as their last chance to take part in the 'race for Sam' group of 16. I can see players being instructed to not play sigerson! Players who play for clubs in the all Ireland club series will be in a tough dilemma too Mick - this is 2022 League takes place before the Provincials this year and will continue like this under the Green plan if adopted. The Red plan which got no support (and id therefore dead) was the one where the Provincials happen first. I meant to say 2023! Ok- it looks like the red is dead alright. With green..... the league is to start in January...will the Sigerson have to move to before Christmas ....and the club series too? The 7 league games will be great. Hard to know how the provincials will play out if the likes of Kerry, Dublin, Mayo, Galway and Tyrone come high enough in the league to make the 'pool of 16' before the championship starts. Its hard to see much cut and trust in those pool games if the big teams are kept apart in separate pools Time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2022 23:57:39 GMT
Mick - this is 2022 League takes place before the Provincials this year and will continue like this under the Green plan if adopted. The Red plan which got no support (and id therefore dead) was the one where the Provincials happen first. I meant to say 2023! Ok- it looks like the red is dead alright. With green..... the league is to start in January...will the Sigerson have to move to before Christmas ....and the club series too? The 7 league games will be great. Hard to know how the provincials will play out if the likes of Kerry, Dublin, Mayo, Galway and Tyrone come high enough in the league to make the 'pool of 16' before the championship starts. Its hard to see much cut and trust in those pool games if the big teams are kept apart in separate pools Time will tell. Pretty much all division one teams are guaranteed a spot in the last 16.
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