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Post by augustafield on Apr 1, 2019 20:12:08 GMT
Absolutely agree with Veteran - those brown/copper jerseys are putrid - and that’s a charitable description. There is something in the Kerry DNA missing to watch a Kerry team in Croke Park without our beloved green and gold colour and it’s absence has to lessen the impact the sight the green and gold jerseys have on the opposition .
Did our County board approve of these ? Why cannot we wear our usual colours ? Are we pandering to television demands ? These jerseys are a total abomination and should be scrapped .
Having read all erudite informative and interesting posts - it’s wonderful to read of honest hard held opinions as the the merits or demerits of players - let’s not forget the bitter disappointments endured by the players after yesterday’s result . Bitter disappointment no doubt that will make them all the more determined to get back to Croke Park to set the record straight.
Finally Jack Barry , in my opinion , had a good game yesterday . He covered acres of ground was far more visible than his opposite number but needs to shake off his doubts and just go for it . One effort in the first half from in front of goal where he timidly kicked the ball gently into the goalies hand after doing all the hard work was pitiable . He caught some great balls in the style of a good midfielder and will improve . He is good and if he believes that he will be great . And why was Sean O Shea in his own square , not once but on several occasions ? The farther away he was from the Mayo goals the happier their defenders were.
Playing badly and a point down at the end of normal time - omens for the future are good . But get rid of those geansies .
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Post by kerryboy83 on Apr 1, 2019 20:33:24 GMT
It simply comes down to Kerry been physically behind Mayo and experience is key too. Will take 2-3 years for kerry to get to that level but we will b kingpins in no time!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 1, 2019 20:39:22 GMT
Conclusion on the league: we did well overall and there’s a lot to work with going forward. A number of the issues we encountered yesterday are rectifiable.
Only two concerns are the lack of physicality(which is inevitable with young players) and the midfield. Hopefully time and Moran will solve those respective issues.
Definite progress being made.
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Post by exiled on Apr 1, 2019 22:01:47 GMT
Posters here remind me of Alex Fergeson blaming the jerseys for the defeat.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 1, 2019 22:25:34 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 2, 2019 0:00:05 GMT
72 mins and 27 seconds on the clock.
Hennellys final kickout with Mayo a point up and AOS sent off.
Two Kerry lads go for it and it falls into the hands of the waiting Mayos DOC.
Very similar to the way the 2013 semi final midfield mixup that led to McMenamins goal.
A case of Deja vu
If Kerrys DOC had caught it the game might have gone to extra time.
A game of inches at the end
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Post by dano on Apr 2, 2019 2:16:55 GMT
Mickmack, That's why I couldn't understand Horan's ridiculous comment about how they could have actually have won by 10 or 12 points. Still a bit sore over Limerick '14 perhaps?
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 2, 2019 3:18:00 GMT
David Cliffords goal-non goal was a real surprise to me and game changer as Kerry were a real goal threat at that stage and could possibly have killed the game if they took all of them. I celebrated wildly as it was rolling into the net to discover it was disallowed for an apparent push only to realise on the big screen after it was a perfectly executed tackle and as the rest of the crowd saw it they left out a gasp in shock bar the Mayo supporters who stayed silent knowing they really got away with one. Does on here anybody think the ref was right to disallow it cause I don't and clearly a few more on here don't either 🤔
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Post by taggert on Apr 2, 2019 6:18:22 GMT
72 mins and 27 seconds on the clock. Hennellys final kickout with Mayo a point up and AOS sent off. Two Kerry lads go for it and it falls into the hands of the waiting Mayos DOC. Very similar to the way the 2013 semi final midfield mixup that led to McMenamins goal. A case of Deja vu If Kerrys DOC had caught it the game might have gone to extra time. A game of inches at the end Mayos first goal also came from Paul Murphy and Diarmuid contesting the same ball. Mayo broke with posession and while Murphy got back, Diarmuids man finished it to the net. There is a helluva lot to be gained by the players and management team from a video analysis of the game.
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Post by wayupnorth on Apr 2, 2019 7:03:07 GMT
Posters here remind me of Alex Fergeson blaming the jerseys for the defeat. No one is blaming the jerseys but win lose or draw they are putrid. I hope I never see them again.
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 2, 2019 7:45:56 GMT
Posters here remind me of Alex Fergeson blaming the jerseys for the defeat. No one is blaming the jerseys but win lose or draw they are putrid. I hope I never see them again. WI'm of the same opinion but don't like the blue too much either, I know it's the Munster colour but it's not part of the traditional Kerry green & gold. What would be wrong with a predominantly gold away jersey like the gold we see on the home jersey with a green trim to it, would avoid colour clashes with counties like Mayo who have predominantly green jerseys whilst keeping our traditional colours on the shirt and have the blue as an alternative strip.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 2, 2019 8:17:28 GMT
Both Meath & Donegal on Saturday wore versions of Green & Gold. Kerry could adopt both of these versions as their alternative Kit to avoid clashes with all other jerseys out there. There is nothing Kerry about the current alternative kit. When we go to Croke Park we want to see the Green & Gold brand in action.
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Post by glengael on Apr 2, 2019 8:17:46 GMT
Mayo used to fear Kerry, not anymore. We used to be able to beat them when we were on an off day, not anymore. We used to physically dictate the game and let our finishers do the damage on the score board, not anymore. We have lovely footballers and they will learn and develop that steely edge with more exposure to that level of football. It was great that this has been exposed to the panel in March, not mid-July. I felt the wind was quite significant yesterday. It blew down from hill 16 and played havoc with several long kicks into Clifford and Tommy Walsh. Many were over hit and it the 2nd half it was even more difficult into the breeze. I felt that we set up well defensively in the first half but we seemed to run out of ideas and legs in the second half as Mayo upped the stakes and ran us ragged for most of that half. And yet, we could have stolen it, if Clifford's goal bound flick has nestled where expected, we could have had the league title bagged. We were still in it to the very last minutes. A good sign. We were decimated at midfield, yet only 1 point behind as time ran out. Sean o Shea got the full on Lee Keegan treatment off the ball, make no mistake. He will learn. Aiden O Shea was allowed do what he liked and should have walked long before he did. How I would love to have a Lee Keegan and an Aiden O Shea in the Kerry engine room, if we did I'd be fairly confident of us meeting most challenges this summer. We had the look of a very green team, when the heat was turned up we couldn't deal with it because we haven't been there before. A lot of doom and gloom afterwards, I'm surprised at that. We are making steady progress, as na Crócaigh said yesterday, a semi final place is about as good as we can hope for this year, after that you'd never know. Stephen O Brien was consistently excellent yesterday, O Connor showed flashes of his enormous potential, as did Clifford. Jason Foley was excellent when he came in. Jameso was a shadow of the player he was, the appetite for the battle appears to have disappeared, unfortunately. Mayo were better that us yesterday, we have lots to work on. Patience needed. Very reasoned concise summary. Thanks Misteallagh.
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Post by glengael on Apr 2, 2019 8:23:26 GMT
Posters here remind me of Alex Fergeson blaming the jerseys for the defeat. No one is blaming the jerseys but win lose or draw they are putrid. I hope I never see them again. Agree 100%. That said I was sitting beside 2 Waterford ladies on Sunday who thought the gold jersey was beautiful! It still mystifies me that Kerry and Mayo never changed jerseys until 2011. As far as I can recall anyway.
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Post by kerryexile on Apr 2, 2019 8:33:42 GMT
A huge amount has been said and written about the game since Sunday. From Kerry’s point of view there is little to be said. The game had all the signs that Peter and Donie were not expecting to be in the league final and just treated it as an eighth league game.
Peter implied earlier in the league that he could only fit in one session midweek when games were weekly. He was ok with that and appeared to be happy to stay out of the relegation trouble – the time to peak is July/August.
That reflected itself on Sunday. David Clifford and James O’Donoghue both looked about 20% ready for a Croke Park final. Jack Barry has been given a new job description and he is working on it. Diarmuid O’Connor is a big find.
Other things they need to work on in early summer are the defence thinking as a unit, 2 players not contesting the same ball, now that the mark is gone utilising Tommy better. The “physicality” thing in midfield is not as significant some say. Is Brian Fenton physical?
They showed great doggedness which is a vital ingredient. Horan said after the game that they could have won by 10 or 12. There is a reason why they didn’t.
Come July this will be a sharper “top of the ground” team and unlike a lot of posters I would not set any limits to what they could achieve.
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 2, 2019 8:40:53 GMT
Even in victory several Mayo fans I met were obnoxious - a congratulatory comment resulted in a middle finger salute. Sad that the chip on some shoulders appears permanent.
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Post by exiled on Apr 2, 2019 8:49:51 GMT
No one is blaming the jerseys but win lose or draw they are putrid. I hope I never see them again. Agree 100%. That said I was sitting beside 2 Waterford ladies on Sunday who thought the gold jersey was beautiful! It still mystifies me that Kerry and Mayo never changed jerseys until 2011. As far as I can recall anyway.
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 2, 2019 8:50:50 GMT
Even in victory several Mayo fans I met were obnoxious - a congratulatory comment resulted in a middle finger salute. Sad that the chip on some shoulders appears permanent. I'd say alot of supporters that were there were just as happy to see Kerry loose as they were seeing Mayo win. Several Limerick and Waterford supporters around me had purchased Mayo wristbands from outside the stadium whilst proudly showing them off.
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Post by exiled on Apr 2, 2019 8:53:18 GMT
Definitely on my agenda to buy one of those lovely gold jerseys. A credit to who ever designed them. Gold is the colour of champions. Time to move on from slagging the jerseys.
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Post by Joxer on Apr 2, 2019 9:45:04 GMT
It's interesting to see the amount of adulation being heaped on Aidan O'Shea in the press etc since Sunday. I really believe at this stage that there is nothing to him except fouling. I've noticed it before but to take even the two most recent games I've seen him in, in Tralee and Croke Park, it seems to me that absolutely everything he does begins with fouling. He starts with pulling and dragging etc before the ball is thrown in and continues until eventually a ref decides to give him a yellow card...and it is 'eventually' as most ignore it. He is so persistent in it off the ball that its gone beyond ridiculous. I've come to the conclusion that its the primary reason he disappears in games against Dublin...bullying doesn't work so well against seasoned seniors with the physicality to deal with his 'brand of play'. Once he got the yellow card on Sunday, he disappeared again. Kerry actually drew him in to the second yellow card foul...they need not have bothered, he was a spent docket at that stage. He couldn't resist though which is always good to know!
As for Kerry, far more positives than negatives from the league. We're far from the finished article but there is so much more potential about us now than there was at the same time last year. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Diarmuid O'Connor from playing a huge part this year as others are. I'm not big into accessing the 'dividend', or 'a return on our investment' as some people on here have included in their comments on him...I'm not sure that has any relevance in this context but sounds 'cool' I guess... in my mind, he is an outstanding talent and the place for him is on the field not warming the bench.
It's unfortunate in some ways that our next top class opposition game is likely to be mid-July. The same for Dublin of course. That's been well known in advance so I'm sure Peter, Donie et al have plans in place. As Kerryexile mentioned on here, we will be a different animal again on hard ground in the height of summer. Whether we have enough or not this summer is part and parcel of what makes it exciting to look forward to and like Kerryexile, I won't be setting any limits to what can be achieved. Let James Horan talk about his 10 and 12 point victories that Mayo should have achieved and remember the disrespect.....
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 2, 2019 11:02:49 GMT
Aidan O'Shea gave a serious ball into ?Donie Vaughan at one stage and won a world of ball; fouling or not.
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Post by animal on Apr 2, 2019 11:18:02 GMT
I have just watched the two Kerry goals back and frankly I don't think they are getting the credit they deserve. Both originated from our own kick out after mayo scored. For the first goal Ryan picks out a good run by Barry who lays it off to the other Jack. He then plays a lovely kick pass to Kevin Mac. He then plays another inch perfect kick into Clifford who attacks his man and is bearing on goal before finding Crowley who finishes superbly.Wonderful fast direct football.
For the second goal Ryan finds Diarmuid O'Connor who plays an incisive kick pass to Dara Moynihan. The bounce almost beats Dara but he shows great awareness to pick out O'Brien steaming in on the run. O'Brien's finish is lethal.
Both goals show good work from our keeper and midfielders. Both goals demonstrate accurate kick passing and fast direct ball into our forwards. It's the kind of football we'd all like to see more of and hopefully will.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Apr 2, 2019 11:32:45 GMT
I have just watched the two Kerry goals back and frankly I don't think they are getting the credit they deserve. Both originated from our own kick out after mayo scored. For the first goal Ryan picks out a good run by Barry who lays it off to the other Jack. He then plays a lovely kick pass to Kevin Mac. He then plays another inch perfect kick into Clifford who attacks his man and is bearing on goal before finding Crowley who finishes superbly.Wonderful fast direct football. For the second goal Ryan finds Diarmuid O'Connor who plays an incisive kick pass to Dara Moynihan. The bounce almost beats Dara but he shows great awareness to pick out O'Brien steaming in on the run. O'Brien's finish is lethal. Both goals show good work from our keeper and midfielders. Both goals demonstrate accurate kick passing and fast direct ball into our forwards. It's the kind of football we'd all like to see more of and hopefully will. Yes we did a lot of good things the last day but ultimately got overrun by a more seasoned and battle hardened team who look to be playing near enough their best. Kerry have much more scope for improvement of the two and when everyone is back fully fit and with the benefit of time on the training ground to work on things we should see a much better Kerry this summer. That’s the hope anyway.
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Post by taibhse on Apr 2, 2019 11:36:05 GMT
I have just watched the two Kerry goals back and frankly I don't think they are getting the credit they deserve. Both originated from our own kick out after mayo scored. For the first goal Ryan picks out a good run by Barry who lays it off to the other Jack. He then plays a lovely kick pass to Kevin Mac. He then plays another inch perfect kick into Clifford who attacks his man and is bearing on goal before finding Crowley who finishes superbly.Wonderful fast direct football. For the second goal Ryan finds Diarmuid O'Connor who plays an incisive kick pass to Dara Moynihan. The bounce almost beats Dara but he shows great awareness to pick out O'Brien steaming in on the run. O'Brien's finish is lethal. Both goals show good work from our keeper and midfielders. Both goals demonstrate accurate kick passing and fast direct ball into our forwards. It's the kind of football we'd all like to see more of and hopefully will. I would say the second goal came straight off the training ground. That goal would put a smile on the coach's face.
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Post by clarinman on Apr 2, 2019 11:51:03 GMT
I have just watched the two Kerry goals back and frankly I don't think they are getting the credit they deserve. Both originated from our own kick out after mayo scored. For the first goal Ryan picks out a good run by Barry who lays it off to the other Jack. He then plays a lovely kick pass to Kevin Mac. He then plays another inch perfect kick into Clifford who attacks his man and is bearing on goal before finding Crowley who finishes superbly.Wonderful fast direct football. For the second goal Ryan finds Diarmuid O'Connor who plays an incisive kick pass to Dara Moynihan. The bounce almost beats Dara but he shows great awareness to pick out O'Brien steaming in on the run. O'Brien's finish is lethal. Both goals show good work from our keeper and midfielders. Both goals demonstrate accurate kick passing and fast direct ball into our forwards. It's the kind of football we'd all like to see more of and hopefully will. We'll ignore Clifford's double hop for the first goal
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Post by peanuts on Apr 2, 2019 11:59:31 GMT
I have just watched the two Kerry goals back and frankly I don't think they are getting the credit they deserve. Both originated from our own kick out after mayo scored. For the first goal Ryan picks out a good run by Barry who lays it off to the other Jack. He then plays a lovely kick pass to Kevin Mac. He then plays another inch perfect kick into Clifford who attacks his man and is bearing on goal before finding Crowley who finishes superbly.Wonderful fast direct football. For the second goal Ryan finds Diarmuid O'Connor who plays an incisive kick pass to Dara Moynihan. The bounce almost beats Dara but he shows great awareness to pick out O'Brien steaming in on the run. O'Brien's finish is lethal. Both goals show good work from our keeper and midfielders. Both goals demonstrate accurate kick passing and fast direct ball into our forwards. It's the kind of football we'd all like to see more of and hopefully will. We'll ignore Clifford's double hop for the first goal It wasn't a double hop as he didn't catch it. Perfectly legit.
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 2, 2019 12:03:47 GMT
I have just watched the two Kerry goals back and frankly I don't think they are getting the credit they deserve. Both originated from our own kick out after mayo scored. For the first goal Ryan picks out a good run by Barry who lays it off to the other Jack. He then plays a lovely kick pass to Kevin Mac. He then plays another inch perfect kick into Clifford who attacks his man and is bearing on goal before finding Crowley who finishes superbly.Wonderful fast direct football. For the second goal Ryan finds Diarmuid O'Connor who plays an incisive kick pass to Dara Moynihan. The bounce almost beats Dara but he shows great awareness to pick out O'Brien steaming in on the run. O'Brien's finish is lethal. Both goals show good work from our keeper and midfielders. Both goals demonstrate accurate kick passing and fast direct ball into our forwards. It's the kind of football we'd all like to see more of and hopefully will. We'll ignore Clifford's double hop for the first goal There was no foul on the ball - Clifford hopped the ball for a second time but realizing what he had done, DID NOT gather it as it came back up to him , instead tapping it on his instep back into his grasp - it was brilliantly done and is even hard to catch on slo mo!
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Post by dc84 on Apr 2, 2019 12:10:31 GMT
We'll ignore Clifford's double hop for the first goal There was no foul on the ball - Clifford hopped the ball for a second time but realizing what he had done, DID NOT gather it as it came back up to him , instead tapping it on his instep back into his grasp - it was brilliantly done and is even hard to catch on slo mo! Heard a lot of "experts" talking about this lads who played the game hard to believe people dont know thst rule you cant bounce it all the way up the pitch basketball style if you want once you dont catch it
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 2, 2019 12:13:50 GMT
We'll ignore Clifford's double hop for the first goal It wasn't a double hop as he didn't catch it. Perfectly legit. The rules actually aren't 100% clear. The bounce isn't defined in the rules. Is a bounce a bounce and a catch... or just a bounce? The rules say: "When a player is in possession of the ball, it may be:- (a) carried for a maximum of four consecutive steps or held in the hand(s) for no longer than the time needed to take four steps; (b) played from the foot to the hand(s) -toetapped; (c) bounced once, and once after each toe-tap; (d) changed from one hand to the other once, with the original holding hand maintaining contact until the change is completed; (e) played away with: (i) a fist (ii) an open hand-in which instance there shall be a definite underhand striking action (f) released for a kick, a toe-tap or a pass with a fist or an open hand. The ball may be knocked from an opponent’s hand(s) by flicking it with the open hand." and "When the ball has not been caught, it may be bounced more than once in succession." Say a bounce doesn't involve a catch: Bounce - Bounce - Catch is OK Bounce - Catch - Bounce - Catch is a double hop Bounce - Catch - Bounce - No Catch isn't covered in the rules. Perhaps the rule should say that a bounce is a bounce AND a catch. Then the usual basketball effort is not a double bounce nor is Clifford's. If a bounce is just hand to ground then Clifford certainly did double hop. Ambiguous.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 2, 2019 12:25:12 GMT
Clifford seemed to lean over the defender in gaining control of the ball. In the process of doing so he seemed to shove the defender with his knee. The defender was crouching.
I didnt complain with the free out as i thought he fouled the defender with his knee. That was my initial reaction. The video might suggest it wasnt a foul but the ref had to make an instant call on it.
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