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Post by keane on Sept 7, 2016 14:52:37 GMT
Wallace was pretty emphatic about thinking he was the wrong man for the minor job when it was available last time around. He's doing a fantastic job with the Juniors which I think people ought to be slow to disturb - it's potentially vital over the next few years. I thought I read somewhere that he is standing down - his own decision - after this years final. (open to correction?) You could be right, rings a bell
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 7, 2016 16:20:27 GMT
Ok if EF is staying on lets wish him the best of luck for the next few years. No doubt he makes decisions with the best interest of Kerry football in mind as he see fit. Maybe bringing in Marc as a counter to O Gara was the right thing but taking Geaney off was diminishing our fire power to a huge extent in those closing frantic minutes. Last years decisions , again in the closing stages , are still unexplainable. As a matter of interest did anyone read Brollys article in the Sunday independent ? I know he has been scathing in his comments about Kerry football and personal but interesting comments last Sunday might be food for thought ? At least there is nothing to lose and maybe the League would be a good place to start ? There's so much wrong with that article it's hard to know where to begin. You can only laugh and pity the man. His hatred for Kerry is all-consuming.
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Post by givehimaball on Sept 7, 2016 17:34:34 GMT
I thought I read somewhere that he is standing down - his own decision - after this years final. (open to correction?) You could be right, rings a bell Yeah he's definitely stepped down from the Juniors. I heard Limerick were seriously looking at him as a candidate for the senior football job last year but Bruder stayed on. Probably will be a couple more counties interested in him now.
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Post by thebluepanther on Sept 7, 2016 18:33:37 GMT
Funny thing is for all the talk of Dublin Success , We need Jim Gavin as no one else stands out as his successor. Doesn't mean someone not mentioned at the moment couldn't do a job and be brilliant at it. But as crazy as it sounds Dessie Farrell has won a minor title in 2012 and an 21 title in 2014 , but wouldn't be the most popular choice. Personally Im not convinced by him . I think we should have won the 2015 u 21s but bad tactical decisions against Tipp in last year's semifinal cost us.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 7, 2016 20:34:16 GMT
Ok if EF is staying on lets wish him the best of luck for the next few years. No doubt he makes decisions with the best interest of Kerry football in mind as he see fit. Maybe bringing in Marc as a counter to O Gara was the right thing but taking Geaney off was diminishing our fire power to a huge extent in those closing frantic minutes. Last years decisions , again in the closing stages , are still unexplainable. As a matter of interest did anyone read Brollys article in the Sunday independent ? I know he has been scathing in his comments about Kerry football and personal but interesting comments last Sunday might be food for thought ? At least there is nothing to lose and maybe the League would be a good place to start ? There's so much wrong with that article it's hard to know where to begin. You can only laugh and pity the man. His hatred for Kerry is all-consuming. I started reading and then said what the hell am I doing... Before the Dublin game he put a clip up of the 2014 final and said we were playing five sweepers...the players in shot were the goalkeeper and six backs...
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Post by kerryfanatic on Sept 7, 2016 22:35:46 GMT
Brolly is an ass...if ur reading this and I imagine you are as u are Kerry obsessed..you are an ass..but u know that and love it..I wouldn't take no notice of one word this man says:)
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Post by wayupnorth on Sept 8, 2016 0:01:55 GMT
Who is this B****y person anyway?
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 8, 2016 7:39:09 GMT
It is well documented that he gets his kicks from controversial writing. Maybe a product of spending sleepless nights walking around the house?
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 8, 2016 8:02:39 GMT
There is only one BROLLY and it is not always reliable. When the wind blows hard it turns itself inside out and makes a poor job of keeping the rain off - bloody useless device.
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 8, 2016 10:13:00 GMT
www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/eamonn-fitzmaurice-taking-off-paul-geaney-may-have-been-a-mistake-419960.htmlÉamonn Fitzmaurice: Taking off Paul Geaney may have been a mistakeÉamonn Fitzmaurice accepts he may have made an error in taking off Paul Geaney in the closing stages of last Sunday week’s All-Ireland semi-final defeat to Dublin. Speaking to Dara Ó Cinnéide on Raidió na Gaeltachta, he also said referee David Gough made slip-ups but didn’t hold him accountable for Kerry’s loss. “The referee made mistakes on the day... but even with the mistakes, we should have won. We made mistakes, particularly in the last 10 minutes and they are costly mistakes. We need to improve our composure at the end of matches, that’s our challenge for next year.” On the subject of Geaney, Fitzmaurice remarked: “Perhaps we should have left Paul on the pitch. He’s the best forward in the country at the moment. It may have been a mistake. But the analysis always points to the person who’s not there as the key to a win, but that’s too easy.” Reappointed for another two years on Tuesday, the Kerry boss bemoaned the negativity that envelops Gaelic football at the moment. “One of the things that stands out is there is a lot of negative coverage around matches and structures. People are giving out but they don’t go to the matches. We have to change that mentality because it’s not good... people need to go to the matches and to be more positive.” Fitzmaurice’s future as Kerry manager was sealed following July’s Munster final win over Tipperary, he revealed yesterday. Stating there is “unfinished business” to attend to after the board on Tuesday night gave him a further two years in charge, Fitzmaurice recalled how county chairman Patrick O’Sullivan had spoken to him about remaining on in the position earlier in the year before they discussed the matter again after he led Kerry to a fourth consecutive provincial title in Killarney. “It was not that tough, to be honest. Look, I had spoken to Patrick O’Sullivan earlier on in the year during the league and we had spoken again in July after the Munster final. “I pretty much made the decision at that stage that I was going to stay on. Obviously, we were very disappointed after the defeat to Dublin but at the same time there is unfinished business and we want to go one step further next year if we can.” In an interview with Jerry O’Sullivan on Radio Kerry yesterday, Fitzmaurice said he had known for some weeks he would be staying at the helm. “I had spoken to the players about it because obviously that is the most important thing. It is not so much about me as it is about the players because they are still buying into what we are trying to do. That was an important consideration as well. “It wasn’t a decision that was made in the last week of course; maybe after the Dublin game I might have been questioning myself for a day or two perhaps. But once you thaw out, like I said, there’s unfinished business there and we just want to keep going and get it that step further.” He won’t be pushing any of the more seasoned players out the door. “The older lads have been outstanding servants for Kerry and they were outstanding again this year. I think often times — and I’ve said this before — that there’s a rush to retire fellas. People are mad anxious to retire players and get rid of them as quickly as they can and as soon as they’re gone then, they’re wondering who’s going to fill the void. I think what people miss a lot of the time is what players are bringing to the pitch and the older players have brought a lot to the pitch this year for us.” The argument Kerry’s older stars lack pace doesn’t wash with Fitzmaurice. “Any time we’re doing the runs in training, they’re always up there at the top of the group. So there’s no lack of legs, it’s more about having the ball and that’s why when people look at Dublin they say they’re full of pace and full of running, but that’s because they have the ball so much and they’re very good at supporting each other and driving on.”
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Post by fitz on Sept 8, 2016 15:17:16 GMT
"We need to improve our composure at the end of matches"
Dublin have very strong end game management, certainly against us. We're not great at closing out tight games (Donegal 2014 aside) when we have the advantage. This is not just a current issue it stretches back right to 2002.
I mentioned in a previous post too, that we have not had much luck in the defining moments of key games at the end, most recently against Dublin specifically. Maybe we used up a decade's worth against Mayo in 14 and also that last gasp ball against the post v Donegal in 2014.
Here's a mix of bad end game management and not getting the rub of the green (they are likely close buddies)
2002 - 4 point lead against Armagh, to 1 point down. We had from memory at least 7-8 mins to equalize but couldn't get it done.
2008 - From leading by a point against Tyrone to going scoreless for last 11-12 minutes and Tyrone popping over 5 points. In the middle of this we missed a great goal chance (well saved)
2011 - well dcoumented
2013 - In injury time, all square, Dec shaves the upright, two Kerry players jump for same ball from the kick-out, and it spills free, McMenamin pounces, mi*s and loops ball into net
2015 - Completely outplayed - but McAuley hauls Donagahy down inside last 5 mins - clear penalty. Not given.
2016 - Frontal charge 30 metres in front of posts, free not given - to tie it up, 3 mins into injury time.
So, combining both of them together has led to losing lots of big games. The end game management is something we can work toward controlling, well, make advances on. Maybe the better we get at that, the more luck we might happen upon.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 8, 2016 15:22:59 GMT
1982 was the biggest fade of all...........
Dublin's game management, player decision making and being in the moment was streets ahead of Kerry's last Sunday week in the last five minutes plus injury time.
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Post by fitz on Sept 8, 2016 19:38:40 GMT
1982 was the biggest fade of all........... Dublin's game management, player decision making and being in the moment was streets ahead of Kerry's last Sunday week in the last five minutes plus injury time. In the 82 final the two frees the ref gave before Darby's wild lamp were outrageous.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 8, 2016 20:17:14 GMT
Micko took off Ogie at half time and brought on Pat Spillane who could hardly walk. On a par with the withdrawal of PGeaney in 2016 and Geezer in 2005 so all managers make mistakes.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 8, 2016 20:22:04 GMT
Its a bit of a sad indictment that the only two candidates for the job seem to have been Eamonn Fitz and Jack O Connor. Obviously Darragh didnt work out with the U21s but the likes of Seamus Moynihan, Mike Quirke (does his GDA role rule him out?), Maurice Fitz, Crowley from Templenoe & Steven Stack need to get experience at minor and U21 level or else Eamonn and Jack will just take turns being manager for the next 15 years. Would you disregard experience at junior? Would minor or u21 be better experience than junior?
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Post by wayupnorth on Sept 8, 2016 20:31:57 GMT
1982 was the biggest fade of all........... Dublin's game management, player decision making and being in the moment was streets ahead of Kerry's last Sunday week in the last five minutes plus injury time. In the 82 final the two frees the ref gave before Darby's wild lamp were outrageous. 1982: We must never speak of such things 😱
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Sept 8, 2016 21:01:49 GMT
In the 82 final the two frees the ref gave before Darby's wild lamp were outrageous. 1982: We must never speak of such things 😱 If you had let us win the semi in 82, we could've saved you from all that heartache.
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Post by wayupnorth on Sept 8, 2016 21:29:09 GMT
1982: We must never speak of such things 😱 If you had let us win the semi in 82, we could've saved you from all that heartache. I'm sure waiting another 20 years made it all the sweeter😉
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Post by Chinatown on Sept 9, 2016 7:04:05 GMT
Tommy Walsh. Have not heard much of him in while. How is he going, any chance after break from g&g he would be in for a shout next year?
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 9, 2016 8:32:14 GMT
Tommy Walsh. Have not heard much of him in while. How is he going, any chance after break from g&g he would be in for a shout next year? Tommy has been playing well for Rahillys and with the expected departure of Star from the inter county scene, there could be a place for him in the panel; the problem for Tommy is to try and regain some of the form he showed prior to leaving for Australia, plus the expected influx of players from recent winning minor teams; also, he was used little enough in this years league so his displays in the forthcoming county championship will determine a lot.
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Post by kerryexile on Sept 9, 2016 8:45:23 GMT
Tommy Walsh. Have not heard much of him in while. How is he going, any chance after break from g&g he would be in for a shout next year? Tommy has been playing well for Rahillys and with the expected departure of Star from the inter county scene, there could be a place for him in the panel; the problem for Tommy is to try and regain some of the form he showed prior to leaving for Australia, plus the expected influx of players from recent winning minor teams; also, he was used little enough in this years league so his displays in the forthcoming county championship will determine a lot. A number of experienced players in their late twenties will be needed to compliment the influx of young players. Tommy's return would suit this perfectly.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 9, 2016 8:53:04 GMT
Tommy's lack of NFL game time this year made little sense regardless of form. He did enough in Croke Park at the start of the year to show promise.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 9, 2016 8:58:39 GMT
1982 was the biggest fade of all........... Dublin's game management, player decision making and being in the moment was streets ahead of Kerry's last Sunday week in the last five minutes plus injury time. In the 82 final the two frees the ref gave before Darby's wild lamp were outrageous. Shocking refereeing in that final, there were four very dubious close in frees awarded towards the end of that game. Kerry, finals and refereeing calls seem to go glove in hand.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 9, 2016 9:01:42 GMT
It is probably more relevant to suggest that Oige didn't play on the forty in that game with the emergence of the young Tom Spillane and he not picking out the Bomber at the end of the game.
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 9, 2016 9:11:32 GMT
I Love it - 34 years later we are still remembering poor refereeing calls - winter is definitely here.
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 9, 2016 9:15:06 GMT
Tommy's lack of NFL game time this year made little sense regardless of form. He did enough in Croke Park at the start of the year to show promise. I fully agree; I think that Tommy's confidence was one of the issues; he performed well enough vs Dublin but found himself back on the bench for the Roscommon game- he only played as Alan Fitzgerald had to cry off- I think this undermined him and not being selected for the trip to Newry did not help either- I think this was a mistake by EF & Co is this was a game we were never going to lose and Tommy could have gained a valuable hour at county level- it did not happen and eventually led to him walking away.
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Post by keane on Sept 9, 2016 9:33:05 GMT
He should really have been told to play as many games as possible with Strand Road when he got back first I think.
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Post by baurtregaum on Sept 9, 2016 10:29:29 GMT
He should really have been told to play as many games as possible with Strand Road when he got back first I think. Exactly. Go back, get plenty games/training and get your confidence in the round ball again with your club. Maybe he will be back next year.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 9, 2016 11:31:31 GMT
Its a bit of a sad indictment that the only two candidates for the job seem to have been Eamonn Fitz and Jack O Connor. Obviously Darragh didnt work out with the U21s but the likes of Seamus Moynihan, Mike Quirke (does his GDA role rule him out?), Maurice Fitz, Crowley from Templenoe & Steven Stack need to get experience at minor and U21 level or else Eamonn and Jack will just take turns being manager for the next 15 years. Would you disregard experience at junior? Would minor or u21 be better experience than junior? The way I see the Junior set up Mickmack (and before we start this isnt for one minute to take away from anybody involved) it is essentially a 11-12 week job in terms of getting the team together, working with them and playing the (usually) 4 games it takes to win the All Ireland. The players you get in at junior are mostly current or previous U21s from the last 2-3 years. Most are up to speed as footballers, by the time the Juniors get together in May most are at peak fitness at that time of year from their clubs (and possibly county, college) training. With the Juniors its mostly a case of gelling the team and hoping they beat their opponents. There wouldnt be a whole lot of tactics behind it as you basically dont know your opponents. So insofar as getting experience on the ladder, minor and U21 would be a much more useful barometer as to your potential at senior level management IMO.
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Post by fitz on Sept 9, 2016 15:37:34 GMT
He should really have been told to play as many games as possible with Strand Road when he got back first I think. Exactly. Go back, get plenty games/training and get your confidence in the round ball again with your club. Maybe he will be back next year. Hindsightitis - would anyone of us have uttered that when we heard he was coming home after the cup won in 14. We were for heading to get him at Heathrow, and not Strand Row intended as destination. Yeah I'd love to see him back even 80% of his old self - massive lift for everyone. I agree - he didn't get enough minutes to make it the right decision to leave the panel.
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