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Post by Mickmack on Sept 6, 2016 16:36:07 GMT
The knives were out for micko after 1977. Alex Ferguson was a cup win v Norwich from the sack. Cody didn't set the world on fire in the late 90s as manager. Nacrocaigh constantly states that Dublin are better than Kerry at the moment. I agree. Did he get the most out of Kerry in 2016? That's the question. EF took on the job when Kerry had no minor title for ages. Is he not entitled to stay a bit longer and manage the transition onto the next great team?
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2016 16:49:51 GMT
Eamonn, a young manager, will become a better manager on the back of his experiences against Dublin in recent times. On the back of 2014 alone he deserves the support of the Kerry supporters and KCB. He also knows the u21 players very well having been involved with a lot of them at colleges level. The Paul Galvin saga aside, I don't have any issues with his decisions over the past few seasons. I look forward to the new year and following the development of the latest transition of the Kerry senior football team. I've taken massive enjoyment from supporting the last two minor teams, this years minor team and this years u21 group. The future is Green and Gold, make no mistake about it.
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Post by fitz on Sept 6, 2016 17:10:27 GMT
Eamonn, a young manager, will become a better manager on the back of his experiences against Dublin in recent times. On the back of 2014 alone he deserves the support of the Kerry supporters and KCB. He also knows the u21 players very well having been involved with a lot of them at colleges level. The Paul Galvin saga aside, I don't have any issues with his decisions over the past few seasons. I look forward to the new year and following the development of the latest transition of the Kerry senior football team. I've taken massive enjoyment from supporting the last two minor teams, this years minor team and this years u21 group. The future is Green and Gold, make no mistake about it. That's Goddamn right! - he's human. He makes mistakes, once we can see he's learning from them. I think that performance (showed learnings from last September) proved there is no major issues in the dressing room (as much as any such proof can be gleaned from a performance). His composure is one of the things I most admire about him, and he's been through the mill with Dublin now. I don't think there's a better man within the county right now. It would be good to hear otherwise and more specifically "why" otherwise. He had his time as a selector with Jack too under-pinning and schools management success. It's a huge job and a lot of time, effort goes into it, which should not be shorn from consideration, even when the toughest of losses occur. Again, how good the Dubs are is an exceptional factor to be included in weightings. By this I mean, if we were losing to Tyrone, Mayo, Donegal - I'd be tending to be more critical in appraisal of Eamonn, (not to diminsh the ability of those teams, just the Dubs are currently standout). That you mention the Galvin saga, I think that there may have been a weakness(sentiment), introducing Marc (no proof at all). If so - that would be one thing to learn on and expunge it from judgment.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 6, 2016 17:24:45 GMT
So you lose 4 big games to Dublin and you get two more years. Haha it's makes me laugh. I guarantee you if Dublin lost 4 big games to Kerry Gavin would be gone for sure. I asked in a previous reply how with all our unacceptable failings we got to 71 mins 30 secs in that game and were level? Fitzmaurice deserves credit for his matchups and varying degrees of application of high press on Dublin's kickouts. The first 15 mins without score has nothing to do with Fitzmaurice. Individually we kicked the ball away in possession at least 6 times unforced, and heaped pressure on ourselves. I can only think we were panicking to get positions to score, to counter Dublin's good start. There was nothing lucky about either goal - the high press completely fcucked Cluxton's head for the first one, and it was a brilliant 1-2 with Daz and Donnachadh. The second one was admittedly was I think a point attempt by Maher but Geaney put huge pressure on Cluxton and between him, Small and one other they made a mess of dealing with the high ball - there was no luck. I agree and think the Geaney substitution is the one clearly flawed decision made on the day. I am thinking it was made for the purpose of getting Marc on the ball and getting up the pitch into scoring positions, which was taking huge effort for us to do at that time. However, taking off an in-form Geaney who could have been a recipient of such work was baffling. Dublin were a shambles before Gilroy arrived and his first season saw them beat 17 points by Kerry, he had an improved side performing in 2010 until indiscipline cost them a place in the final (Ross McConnell). They had been during that season handed their arse by Meath (5 goals in Leinster Champ). In 2011 they improved further and won the AI. It took time and he improved his playing style and squad. Gavin has generated a fabulous team some of which is from the work Gilroy has built, not withstanding his own fine work at underage before. He also has had brilliant talents coming through in McCaffrey, Mannion, Kilkenny,Cooper, McCarthy as well as huge development in performance from Cian O'Sullivan, Paddy Andrews, Berno, MD McAuley (think he's going the other way now mind), O'Carroll, McMahon. Gavin has also had his massive fcuk up with Donegal, but he learned and his team's defence is an impressive unit and result of serious development work fro that chastening. I think Fitz got a great performance from his team,and learned significantly from last year's final. I think he has brought in two new lads in the half back line and by all accounst Foley and O'Connor will be coming next year and maybe more. I don't think the old lads cost us this game at all, Mahoney put in a hell of a performance. I think we're just not as good as Dublin. I don't think firing Fitzmaurice, getting more minors into the senior team will see us beat Dublin any time soon. Progress needs to be measured. The conditioning of players back in 75 is in a different planet to today, some of the minors playing in last week's game would have been buried. For all Gavin's brilliance the base line is his team are the best because his players collectively are the best. There is no quick fix to this for Kerry, yet while we are second best for now, we are still close enough, as we saw last Sunday. Once Fitzmaurice is showing he is learning, which I think he is, I think he's still the right man. Another poster mentioned ridding Diarmuid. He's one guy I wouldn't let go, he visibly shows he's a man to challenge Eamonn, and he definitely needs to have guys like that by his side, not yes men. I would only counter there that the 2nd goal was a touch by Geaney, who had a running jump on Cluxton, and got a bit lucky with how the ball fell from the touch (deflected off Cluxton). Not to mention Byrne (Small nothing to do with it) ball-watching and giving Cluxton no protection from Geaney. Re-the claim that Gavin or whoever would be gone if Dublin lost 4 times in a row to Kerry in major games (all championship, also very little success against Kerry in the league), this is clearly someone with a short or very young memory. Between 2001 & 2009 Dublin lost 4 times in a row to Kerry. As it happened there were 3 different managers during each of those defeats but Dublin never had a coach staying for more than about 4 years anyway. Every Kerry fan's favourite Tipp man 'Tom' Carr was there from 98-2001 (first of the 4 Kerry championship games mentioned above was the 2011 Qtr final & replay, undoubtedly the high-point of Carr's reign, during which no Leinster title was won). 'Arseboxing' 'character' Tommy Lyons was there from 2002-2004, well beaten by Kerry in his final year, though it was the defeats to Westmeath, Armagh (the manner of defeat in 2003) & Laois (2004) that were the main reasons he was gone. As well as him not wanting it any more. In 2007 Pillar Caffrey saw his team produce their best performance of his 4 year reign Vs Kerry. It was the massacre by Tyrone in 2008 that brought his reign to an end but I think he also didn't want to go on. And of course there was the 2009 destruction, in Gilroy's first year. That coupled with the games Vs Wexford & of all teams Meath in 2010 could easily have brought a premature end to the gamble of the Gilroy/Mickey Whelan ticket, especially with Gilroy having had virtually no coaching experience. The rest is history. Once again the coach had had enough after 4 years, despite, indeed, the prospect of more success being very possible, or even likely. However ion hindsight, and according to some at the time, he handed the baton to a better coach. Looking back to the rest of the 90s Pat O'Neill was boss from 93-95 (or 96?). Paddy Cullen from 1991-92 (left in a welter of criticism after the 92 All-I final, not to mention the traumatic loss to Meath in the 4 game saga of 91). Gerry McCaul had 4 years under the thumb of the greatest ever Meath team, 87-90, most or all fans and critics were agreed that he did a good job with the fading members of the 83 team, and bringing through some new talent 88-90. Of course in those eras it has to be recalled that losing in one's provincial championship meant the end of the summer. Performance in some ways was often judged by how well the team had played against their major rivals, and how good the rivals were at the time. There have been the longevity managers (O'Dwyer, Boylan, Heffo - in two seperate spells, Harte) but there are maybe less examples of that in gaelic football these days. If Fitzmaurice is ratified for another two years that will surely make him the longest-lasting coach apart from Harte, unless Gavin stays on too (I can't see it tbh, such a career man). Overall I think it's a natural process for coaches to move on after 3-4 years. But some seem capable of renewing & refreshing their approach & their hunger for the chllenge. Cody being the clearest example!
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Post by fitz on Sept 6, 2016 17:27:56 GMT
I decided to not comment earlier on this subject as Éamonn Fitzmaurice had yet to make his position official. Now that it seems to be a done deal, I genuniely wish Éamonn the very best of luck! Given how Éamonn came into a job that was appealing to so few at the time - he definitely deserved the option of making the decision himself to stay or go. In my personal view, I thought it would have been far healthier for the Kerry team at this juncture and Éamonn if he did step down for a while. Taking a break away from the coalface and having some downtime and timeout to reflect, Éamonn could possibly have come back an even better and wiser manager down the line in another 3 or 4 years. By the way, I do think Éamonn is an excellent coach but is possibly too close to some of the former troops he soldiered with it and some of the decision making on the line reflected this. I’m not entirely comfortable with this succession strategy either. OK, it’s good to have a back up plan but a more open process would be far healthier. There are certainly other names out there that could be considered. One name being whispered about should the post come up is Liam Kearns. No involvement with the current set up, he certainly would clear the decks and be a breath of fresh air which would be no harm. Liam Kearns is a well-seasoned inter-county manager at this stage, surely his name should be given some serious consideration by the powers that be - should the post become available in 2 years time. Actually come to think about this - Cork could do lot worse than seek out Liam Kearns services when their managers post comes up again. However, if the Kerry managers position is a closed shop set in stone with a succession strategy we might regret ignoring and turning our nose up to the likes of Liam Kearns down the line. Good post Kingman. I'm going to put my "lookist" personality traits on this reply. He did a good job at Limerick and very nearly and possibly should have won Munster title. There's no arguing the achievement with Tipp to date, backroom at Roscommon, but not successful at Laois - why not? They don't have good footballers. I don't trust a man who has a gut that size. I would have difficulty taking performance advice from a man who indulges food/drink that much regardless of his CV. I may be rounded on for that opinion but like Crokey says - that's what it is, like it or not.
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Post by Kingdomson on Sept 6, 2016 17:42:01 GMT
I decided to not comment earlier on this subject as Éamonn Fitzmaurice had yet to make his position official. Now that it seems to be a done deal, I genuniely wish Éamonn the very best of luck! Given how Éamonn came into a job that was appealing to so few at the time - he definitely deserved the option of making the decision himself to stay or go. In my personal view, I thought it would have been far healthier for the Kerry team at this juncture and Éamonn if he did step down for a while. Taking a break away from the coalface and having some downtime and timeout to reflect, Éamonn could possibly have come back an even better and wiser manager down the line in another 3 or 4 years. By the way, I do think Éamonn is an excellent coach but is possibly too close to some of the former troops he soldiered with it and some of the decision making on the line reflected this. I’m not entirely comfortable with this succession strategy either. OK, it’s good to have a back up plan but a more open process would be far healthier. There are certainly other names out there that could be considered. One name being whispered about should the post come up is Liam Kearns. No involvement with the current set up, he certainly would clear the decks and be a breath of fresh air which would be no harm. Liam Kearns is a well-seasoned inter-county manager at this stage, surely his name should be given some serious consideration by the powers that be - should the post become available in 2 years time. Actually come to think about this - Cork could do lot worse than seek out Liam Kearns services when their managers post comes up again. However, if the Kerry managers position is a closed shop set in stone with a succession strategy we might regret ignoring and turning our nose up to the likes of Liam Kearns down the line. Good post Kingman. I'm going to put my "lookist" personality traits on this reply. He did a good job at Limerick and very nearly and possibly should have won Munster title. There's no arguing the achievement with Tipp to date, backroom at Roscommon, but not successful at Laois - why not? They don't have good footballers. I don't trust a man who has a gut that size. I would have difficulty taking performance advice from a man who indulges food/drink that much regardless of his CV. I may be rounded on for that opinion but like Crokey says - that's what it is, like it or not.
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Post by fitz on Sept 6, 2016 18:50:24 GMT
Good post Kingman. I'm going to put my "lookist" personality traits on this reply. He did a good job at Limerick and very nearly and possibly should have won Munster title. There's no arguing the achievement with Tipp to date, backroom at Roscommon, but not successful at Laois - why not? They don't have good footballers. I don't trust a man who has a gut that size. I would have difficulty taking performance advice from a man who indulges food/drink that much regardless of his CV. I may be rounded on for that opinion but like Crokey says - that's what it is, like it or not. World class! Maybe Mick "Bull" Daly would be to the fore of candidates to be considered
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 6, 2016 19:04:57 GMT
Dublin got Lowndes, Small, McCaffrey, Costello, Kilkenny and Mannion from the 2011 minor team beaten by that last second goal by Tipp.
They will be approaching their best in 3 years and Kerry must get a similar return from the 2014 minor team.
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Post by thebluepanther on Sept 6, 2016 20:12:11 GMT
Dublin got Lowndes, Small, McCaffrey, Costello, Kilkenny and Mannion from the 2011 minor team beaten by that last second goal by Tipp. They will be approaching their best in 3 years and Kerry must get a similar return from the 2014 minor team. Davy Byrne also played in 2011, . Though we won minor in 2012 with Davy Byrne, Lowndes , Costello still playing. Emmet o Conghaile midfielder from 2011minor and Shane Carthy midfielder from 2012 minor have been the two a lot of us expected to make the breakthrough, but Fenton just came from nowhere last year and grabbed his chance. Im still hopeful one of the other two can partner Fenton going forward. Kerry have some great young lads at the moment and I'd say Jack o Connor will be manager of the senior team when these guys reach maturity.
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Post by ballynamona on Sept 6, 2016 20:18:35 GMT
I would agree on Gooch, saw enough to know he has more left. He is still clearly not the Gooch of about 5 years ago but still has something to offer. Questions around Fitzmaurice's tactical accumen raised there but have to laugh at the suggestion to bring in Jack and that he would be better. Jack had the best players of last 30 years at his disposal in their prime and was beaten on the line twcie by Mickey Harte then by Gilroy & McGuinness. Jack hasn't been a tactical mastermind by any stretch of the imagination. Eamonn has worked wonders, we have gotten very close to Dublin in 2 semi finals and individual moments cost us rather than his tactical nous. Last years final was a day to forget for all. John Evans? Just no! I'd happily back Eamonn for the next couple of years and he wouldn't stay around himself if he didn't think he can get another All Ireland in the next 2 years. Rest easy - the Kerry Co Board would never appoint John Evans! I agree, Jack O'Connor coming back is not necessarily a forward step. 2011 was a freak perhaps, but he got things badly wrong in 2012, and I think his day is done at inter-county level.
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Post by fitz on Sept 6, 2016 20:22:08 GMT
Dublin got Lowndes, Small, McCaffrey, Costello, Kilkenny and Mannion from the 2011 minor team beaten by that last second goal by Tipp. They will be approaching their best in 3 years and Kerry must get a similar return from the 2014 minor team. Davy Byrne also played in 2011, . Though we won minor in 2012 with Davy Byrne, Lowndes , Costello still playing. Emmet o Conghaile midfielder from 2011minor and Shane Carthy midfielder from 2012 minor have been the two a lot of us expected to make the breakthrough, but Fenton just came from nowhere last year and grabbed his chance. Im still hopeful one of the other two can partner Fenton going forward. Kerry have some great young lads at the moment and I'd say Jack o Connor will be manager of the senior team when these guys reach maturity. I'd say that's Jack's vision alright
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Post by fitz on Sept 6, 2016 20:29:09 GMT
I would agree on Gooch, saw enough to know he has more left. He is still clearly not the Gooch of about 5 years ago but still has something to offer. Questions around Fitzmaurice's tactical accumen raised there but have to laugh at the suggestion to bring in Jack and that he would be better. Jack had the best players of last 30 years at his disposal in their prime and was beaten on the line twcie by Mickey Harte then by Gilroy & McGuinness. Jack hasn't been a tactical mastermind by any stretch of the imagination. Eamonn has worked wonders, we have gotten very close to Dublin in 2 semi finals and individual moments cost us rather than his tactical nous. Last years final was a day to forget for all. John Evans? Just no! I'd happily back Eamonn for the next couple of years and he wouldn't stay around himself if he didn't think he can get another All Ireland in the next 2 years. Rest easy - the Kerry Co Board would never appoint John Evans! I agree, Jack O'Connor coming back is not necessarily a forward step. 2011 was a freak perhaps, but he got things badly wrong in 2012, and I think his day is done at inter-county level. Not being smart Bally but I don't see how Jack's days are done at intercounty at all. Won two minors in a row and significantly improved the 21s in first year. Won 3 senior titles. He's a very shrewd and very successful manager and as indicated by the Panther, I think he's been eyeing the senior job with this crop of minors and 21s,well before the ball was thrown in for the 2014 minor final v Donegal.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 6, 2016 20:56:03 GMT
I havent been able to bring myself to watch the full game again but I saw this bit on Youtube, basically the last 7 minutes or so.
The manner in which JOD and Moran conceded possession was too cheap at this level. When Dublin went ahead they were willing to take a card (Connolly and Cosgrove) by committing fouls outside Sheehans range. Kerry were naive in not doing the same when they were three ahead.
I didnt realise till now that twas McMenamin that fouled BOB..a kickable free that wasnt given.
Thats three big incidents (3 points at issue) involving Kevin Mcmanamin..(the phantom 45, the Peter Crowley incident and the BOB free). it should be something for Kevin and David Gough to chat about in St Judes clubhouse in the middle of the winter i suppose.
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Post by augustafield on Sept 6, 2016 20:56:55 GMT
Ok if EF is staying on lets wish him the best of luck for the next few years. No doubt he makes decisions with the best interest of Kerry football in mind as he see fit. Maybe bringing in Marc as a counter to O Gara was the right thing but taking Geaney off was diminishing our fire power to a huge extent in those closing frantic minutes. Last years decisions , again in the closing stages , are still unexplainable. As a matter of interest did anyone read Brollys article in the Sunday independent ? I know he has been scathing in his comments about Kerry football and personal but interesting comments last Sunday might be food for thought ? At least there is nothing to lose and maybe the League would be a good place to start ?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 6, 2016 21:02:42 GMT
Confirmed: Eamonn Fitzmaurice agrees to stay on as Kerry manager for a further two years
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 6, 2016 21:16:34 GMT
Rest easy - the Kerry Co Board would never appoint John Evans! I agree, Jack O'Connor coming back is not necessarily a forward step. 2011 was a freak perhaps, but he got things badly wrong in 2012, and I think his day is done at inter-county level. Not being smart Bally but I don't see how Jack's days are done at inter-county at all. Won two minors in a row and significantly improved the 21s in first year. Won 3 senior titles. He's a very shrewd and very successful manager and as indicated by the Panther, I think he's been eyeing the senior job with this crop of minors and 21s,well before the ball was thrown in for the 2014 minor final v Donegal. Jack is a purist and I think Donegal could have beaten us tactically in the Minors in '14 even though there was daylight between us. He said himself that he would get bata agus bothar at home if he went for the modern game/system, call it what you will. We have brilliant players coming through but the system will also creep into underage and we need input in that respect so that we don't lose out to Ulster teams like before. I don't want to sound unkind but it would be hard to see a traditionalist/purist style beating this Dublin team and maybe the recent encounter was a bit confusing in that both teams knew the other could mix it, so a game of pure football happened. Ah sure maybe I'm talking through my hat!
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Post by wayupnorth on Sept 6, 2016 21:51:34 GMT
Confirmed: Eamonn Fitzmaurice agrees to stay on as Kerry manager for a further two years Happy with this although I wouldn't have been before the semî if you just told me the result. Think one more year an then we'll see would have been enough for now. Must set out to win the League this time and not leave us flirting with relegation after the first few games. Bring on some fresh talent and see it through into the Championship. Having said all that I believe there is no one better able to beat the Dubs in 2017.
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Post by wayupnorth on Sept 6, 2016 21:57:24 GMT
Ok if EF is staying on lets wish him the best of luck for the next few years. No doubt he makes decisions with the best interest of Kerry football in mind as he see fit. Maybe bringing in Marc as a counter to O Gara was the right thing but taking Geaney off was diminishing our fire power to a huge extent in those closing frantic minutes. Last years decisions , again in the closing stages , are still unexplainable. As a matter of interest did anyone read Brollys article in the Sunday independent ? I know he has been scathing in his comments about Kerry football and personal but interesting comments last Sunday might be food for thought ? At least there is nothing to lose and maybe the League would be a good place to start ? Pay no heed to Brolly. He has shown time and time again that he is no friend of the Kingdom. His insidious half-truths are pure poison.
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Post by ballynamona on Sept 7, 2016 6:32:29 GMT
Rest easy - the Kerry Co Board would never appoint John Evans! I agree, Jack O'Connor coming back is not necessarily a forward step. 2011 was a freak perhaps, but he got things badly wrong in 2012, and I think his day is done at inter-county level. Not being smart Bally but I don't see how Jack's days are done at intercounty at all. Won two minors in a row and significantly improved the 21s in first year. Won 3 senior titles. He's a very shrewd and very successful manager and as indicated by the Panther, I think he's been eyeing the senior job with this crop of minors and 21s,well before the ball was thrown in for the 2014 minor final v Donegal. I phrased it badly...I personally don't think Jack should become Kerry senior manager again. But I think there is a good chance he will, and that it is a long-term plan for him to succeed Fitzmaurice. That's my own view on Jack. He has very good qualities no doubt. But I feel his last few years as manager were a big disappointment.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 7, 2016 8:55:42 GMT
Not being smart Bally but I don't see how Jack's days are done at intercounty at all. Won two minors in a row and significantly improved the 21s in first year. Won 3 senior titles. He's a very shrewd and very successful manager and as indicated by the Panther, I think he's been eyeing the senior job with this crop of minors and 21s,well before the ball was thrown in for the 2014 minor final v Donegal. I phrased it badly...I personally don't think Jack should become Kerry senior manager again. But I think there is a good chance he will, and that it is a long-term plan for him to succeed Fitzmaurice. That's my own view on Jack. He has very good qualities no doubt. But I feel his last few years as manager were a big disappointment. I don't know , he didn't have enough quality fresh replacements to close out 2011 combined with the McQuillan moment after beating Dubln all ends up in the previous 65 minutes. He was visibly frustrated on the line in 2012 with the players lack of ability to think their way through the Donegal game. His last two minor teams were superbly coached and schooled, think back to the Cork minor game in Tralee which started the odyssey. One of the best exhibitions of coaching I have seen.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 7, 2016 9:40:36 GMT
I decided to not comment earlier on this subject as Éamonn Fitzmaurice had yet to make his position official. Now that it seems to be a done deal, I genuniely wish Éamonn the very best of luck! Given how Éamonn came into a job that was appealing to so few at the time - he definitely deserved the option of making the decision himself to stay or go.
In my personal view, I thought it would have been far healthier for the Kerry team at this juncture and Éamonn if he did step down for a while. Taking a break away from the coalface and having some downtime and timeout to reflect, Éamonn could possibly have come back an even better and wiser manager down the line in another 3 or 4 years. By the way, I do think Éamonn is an excellent coach but is possibly too close to some of the former troops he soldiered with it and some of the decision making on the line reflected this. I’m not entirely comfortable with this succession strategy either. OK, it’s good to have a back up plan but a more open process would be far healthier. There are certainly other names out there that could be considered. One name being whispered about should the post come up is Liam Kearns. No involvement with the current set up, he certainly would clear the decks and be a breath of fresh air which would be no harm. Liam Kearns is a well-seasoned inter-county manager at this stage, surely his name should be given some serious consideration by the powers that be - should the post become available in 2 years time. Actually come to think about this - Cork could do lot worse than seek out Liam Kearns services when their managers post comes up again. However, if the Kerry managers position is a closed shop set in stone with a succession strategy we might regret ignoring and turning our nose up to the likes of Liam Kearns down the line. Couldnt agree more and very well put.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 7, 2016 10:31:18 GMT
If you replace Eamonn you have to replace him with someone better for the job. Who are the alternatives in Kerry? Jack is appointed to the u21s, Liam Kearins is working with Tipp.
Who in Kerry currently has the expertise and exposure of the modern game that could take the job? Pat O'Shea possibly but is tied to the Munster coaching role and seemingly cant take on the role again, which I think is a load of bull.
Regardless, I think Kerry should go back to basics, start playing Kerry football again and get the top 21 players in the county over the next 2-3 up to speed and let them off.
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Post by allrounder on Sept 7, 2016 10:58:31 GMT
Strong rumours circulating in tralee this morning that Mikey sheehy is stepping down and that allegedly Vince Cooper is replacing him as forwards coach.be a great appointment in my own opinion.did you hear anything about this Na crocaigh??
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Post by buck02 on Sept 7, 2016 11:01:13 GMT
Its a bit of a sad indictment that the only two candidates for the job seem to have been Eamonn Fitz and Jack O Connor. Obviously Darragh didnt work out with the U21s but the likes of Seamus Moynihan, Mike Quirke (does his GDA role rule him out?), Maurice Fitz, Crowley from Templenoe & Steven Stack need to get experience at minor and U21 level or else Eamonn and Jack will just take turns being manager for the next 15 years.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 7, 2016 11:06:55 GMT
Its a bit of a sad indictment that the only two candidates for the job seem to have been Eamonn Fitz and Jack O Connor. Obviously Darragh didnt work out with the U21s but the likes of Seamus Moynihan, Mike Quirke (does his GDA role rule him out?), Maurice Fitz, Crowley from Templenoe & Steven Stack need to get experience at minor and U21 level or else Eamonn and Jack will just take turns being manager for the next 15 years. That is the bottom line. There is no alternative at the moment. People like the above mentioned need to push themselves in to the shop window like Peter Keane is doing with the minors after spells with the Marys and Legion as building blocks. Maybe Kerry need to look at training the future manager?
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 7, 2016 12:32:43 GMT
Its a bit of a sad indictment that the only two candidates for the job seem to have been Eamonn Fitz and Jack O Connor. Obviously Darragh didnt work out with the U21s but the likes of Seamus Moynihan, Mike Quirke (does his GDA role rule him out?), Maurice Fitz, Crowley from Templenoe & Steven Stack need to get experience at minor and U21 level or else Eamonn and Jack will just take turns being manager for the next 15 years. Agree but Eamonn and Jack are realistically well ahead of any other likely candidates in terms of managing inter county teams; any guys with inter county aspirations should be involved in senior club management as already suggested and in Maurice Fitz, Micheal Quirke, Stephen Stack we have guys who could potentially take on a senior role but first would have to gain experience with the minors/U-21s. There are guys like Micheal O'Shea, Eamonn Whelan, Jerome Stack who have plenty of experience at inter county underage level ( selectors) but whether they are potential bainisteoirs remains to be seen. Noel Kennelly is another guy who has done a good job with Listowel this year, has played at the highest level and was part of Darragh's backroom team and could play a part in the future.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 7, 2016 12:50:28 GMT
The giving of the u21 job to Darragh kind of set things back a bit in terms of manager succession as he was a good fit and had little or no experience- this has left a void of a couple of years.
I'd imagine Stephen Wallace has to be in the mix for the minor job after Keane for the simple reason that he was won 2 Junior titles in 2 years with completely different squads. The hardest part of underage management is managing player turnover from year to year and he has shown an ability to do this
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Post by keane on Sept 7, 2016 14:16:31 GMT
Wallace was pretty emphatic about thinking he was the wrong man for the minor job when it was available last time around. He's doing a fantastic job with the Juniors which I think people ought to be slow to disturb - it's potentially vital over the next few years.
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 7, 2016 14:25:06 GMT
Wallace was pretty emphatic about thinking he was the wrong man for the minor job when it was available last time around. He's doing a fantastic job with the Juniors which I think people ought to be slow to disturb - it's potentially vital over the next few years. I thought I read somewhere that he is standing down - his own decision - after this years final. (open to correction?)
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 7, 2016 14:33:34 GMT
Wallace was pretty emphatic about thinking he was the wrong man for the minor job when it was available last time around. He's doing a fantastic job with the Juniors which I think people ought to be slow to disturb - it's potentially vital over the next few years. Well I'd imagine Keane will be there for 2 more years anyway
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