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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 5, 2016 20:24:23 GMT
As regards players staying on, is it not the case that it is left up to themselves, if they overstay then they are shown up in training and risk an undignified retirement, the team doesn't lose as meanwhile they would have been in invaluable in putting emerging talent through the paces. I thought this might have been behind Galvin's 'call' last year.
Is there anyone who can match Éamonn, and who did some job with a team in transition? Dwyer said he often erred but I suppose these end of game decisions will be reviewed and if Éamonn is the man I know him to be then there will be nobody harder on him than himself and he owes us nil in any event. All we owe him is the respect he has earned, hard earned. I think the county board are quiet good on these type of things from all the practice down the years, I'd say a few wise owls will be sizing things up.
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Post by Control5 on Sept 6, 2016 9:35:09 GMT
I have opened it again now lads.
Keep it fair etc
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2016 10:11:02 GMT
I would like to see Fitzmaurice continue but feel that his back up team probably needs to be shaken up a bit; he is human after all and makes mistakes like anybody else- he has, in my opinion, gotten the best out of this group for the past 4 years and don't think there is a better alternative out there bar Jack O'Connor who had his detractors too before he stepped down- where I would like to see an improvement is in game time management but its hard to know who can bring this skill to the group- there were some very positive vibes coming from the U-21 group on Declan, so maybe he should be involved. Tommy Griffin, Micheal Quirke, Stephen Stack are all guys who have senior inter county playing experience plus club management, who maybe could add something positive to the mix. The lack of under age players coming through is a negative over past 3 years but the names being mentioned here are all very young and have a lot of physical development ahead of them; we have yet to see them tested in the heat of county championship not to mention inter county football- Mark O'Connor has hardly played any football since last year's all Ireland minor final for instance. One of the negatives I heard over the week end was the lack of intensity in our internal games in the lead up to the Dublin game with the likes of Maher , AO'M proving more than equal to any of the challenges they faced. The national league is the place to blood these young guys and if they are good enough then they will come through. We are there or thereabouts and are playing second fiddle to a fine Dublin side at the moment who have a stronger squad than we have and I think thats the real difference- Gavin is a fine manager whose job is probably made easier when he can introduce a Costello/O'Gara/O'Callaghan as his 5/6th sub where we do not have that quality that far down the pecking order. It won't be easy to introduce the u21s in next years league as it clashes with the u21 championship which Jack will be trying to win. I suppose something Jack and Eamonn will have to sit down and discuss. The following year under the new u20 rules players that have played senior football that year can't play in the u20 championship starting in May. Not sure if that applies to NFL but it probably does? It is probably important to try and win the u21 championship next year on the back of a number of good minor teams in the interest of natural progression through the ranks to senior level and in some cases via the intercounty junior championship. Kerry are very much in transition now again with another senior cohort about to bow out but still retaining the nucleus of a very good senior team. I won't be surprised if Kerry win the senior championship in 2017.
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Post by duchalla on Sept 6, 2016 10:31:02 GMT
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 6, 2016 10:38:11 GMT
This gives a good perspective of Éamonn as manager.
Eamonn Fitzmaurice poised for another term in Kerry
Club delegates will decide at Tuesday night’s monthly county board meeting in Tralee
Eamonn Fitzmaurice appears set to extend his term as Kerry senior football manager, his reappointment going before club delegates at Tuesday night’s monthly county board meeting in Tralee. His four years in charge officially ended with the two-point defeat to Dublin in the All-Ireland semi-final last Sunday week, although Kerry GAA chairman Patrick O’Sullivan had already indicated his hope and confidence that Fitzmaurice would remain on. It now appears certain Fitzmaurice is willing to extend his term for at least another year, given the fact that the reappointment is now poised to go before club delegates this evening. Last October, when only agreeing - or else asking - for a one-year extension to his term, Fitzmaurice himself hadn’t looked past 2016: “Possibly, but today isn’t the time for that,” said Fitzmaurice, in the immediate aftermath of the defeat to Dublin, when asked would there be retirements both on the field and on the sideline. “There’ll be a lot of emotion after that effort, but I would encourage everyone to take stock. For me, too, that’s for another day. I was only hoping to win today, and be back here in three week’s time.” Fitzmaurice did shake up his backroom team last October, in the wake of the 2015 final defeat to Dublin. Trainer and selector Cian O’Neill departed to take over as manager of Kildare, while three-time All-Ireland winner Liam Hassett came on board as a selector alongside Mikey Sheehy and Diarmuid Murphy, with Padraig Corcoran from Dingle also coming on board as the new trainer/selector, and it’s likely that backroom team will also stay intact. “Obviously the defeat (to Dublin) was very disappointing and Eamonn and the rest of the management need time to reflect,” O’Sullivan told The Kerryman newspaper. “Eamonn has done a wonderful job in his four years in charge. He has won four Munster titles, won an All-Ireland title and contested another, as well as a League final. He took on the job when there weren’t too many others were queuing for it and in what was supposed to be lean times for Kerry he has kept the team competing at the top end every year.”
Even by Kerry’s own high standards, Fitzmaurice’s record over the past four seasons certainly isn’t bad. In the All-Ireland championship series, Kerry under Fitzmaurice have played 11 games, won eight and lost three - the problem being all three have been to Dublin (the 2013 All-Ireland semi-final, the 2015 final, and now the 2016 semi-final). In the meantime, he has delivered one All-Ireland and four successive Munster titles. And while Dublin have extended their winning streak to an incredible 27 games, stretching back to March 2015, there is solace in the fact that Kerry were the last team to beat them. Still, those three successive championship defeats to Dublin are the only championship games Fitzmaurice has lost as Kerry manager, meaning his summer has always ended either losing to Dublin or winning the All-Ireland. That is clearly something he wants to address. There are still some expected retirements for the likes of Aidan O’Mahony (36), Marc Ó Sé (36) and Kieran Donaghy (33).
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 6, 2016 10:42:26 GMT
What do ye make of this? It is understood Fitzmaurice’s reappointment is essential in the succession strategy Kerry officials have in mind with it being anticipated current U21 manager O’Connor and minor boss Peter Keane will move up the ranks after the 2018 season.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2016 10:46:26 GMT
Sounds logical enough. Kerry are very much the number two county in the country at the moment in my opinion on the coattails of Dublin.
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Post by ballynamona on Sept 6, 2016 10:47:24 GMT
I am not writing off or retiring anyone, but for the purposes of this mail, I am thinking that the following 6 players may have played their last Kerry game, or else will be in the departure lounge in the next 1 to 2 years: Aidan O’Mahony, Marc O Se, Colm Cooper, Kieran Donaghy, Bryan Sheehan, Donnchadh Walsh.
For the years 2017 to 2019, we will be relying on the following groupings within the existing panel:
New elder statesmen (6): Darran O’Sullivan and Anthony Maher (minor 2004); Killian Young (minor 2005); Shane Enright; Johnny Buckley; David Moran (minor 2006)
Established senior players (13): Brian Kelly; Brendan Kealy; Mark Griffin; Fionn Fitzgerald; Peter Crowley; Paul Murphy; Jonathan Lyne; James O’Donoghue; Mike Geaney; Alan Fitzgerald; Stephen O’Brien; Paul Geaney; Barry John Keane
Re-emerging senior panelists (1 - would have become properly established panel members in 2016 but for injury): Brendan O’Sullivan
2016 breakthrough players (3): Tadhg Morley; Brian O Beaglaoich; Tony Brosnan
Note that I have not listed any of the younger guys who have been in training but have yet to play senior. They will augment the names above, and no doubt replace some over time.
We will need most of the men listed above from the top category to stick around over the next few years to provide continuity. I have included the year they were minor to highlight that some of them are older than people may realise.
Kerry will be managing transition from a period of strength, and can keep contending over the next couple of years while blooding the new breed.
As people have pointed out, the timing of the U-21 championship makes it difficult to give them NFL time. I expect that the approach with O Beaglaoich this year will provide the template, i.e. we can expect to see one or two guys, but no more, getting NFL time in the early rounds.
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Post by derry4sam on Sept 6, 2016 11:15:07 GMT
Not sure if this is the appropriate thread to be looking to the future but I will continue anyway! I can see Jason Foley being introduced next season as O Beaglaoich was this year. He is a very bright prospect. Morley move to 6? I feel Crowley is a better wing back.
Hope for more consistency out of Moran and possibly improved free taking? Hope that Maher and O'Donoghue stay injury free and get some football during the league, particularly O'Donoghue. He needs to build up confidence and regain that swagger he had in 2014. He will get that from putting up big scores in the league.
Michael Geaney to finally step up and take Donnchadh's spot? If/when Donaghy retires is there a place once again for Tommy Walsh on that panel? Or is he simply just not good enough? I do think Kerry need someone who offers that threat that Donaghy does, the ability to switch from the middle to full forward and vice versa. I think Kerry play better when they mix up their attacking play between long and short ball like they did so well in patches against Dublin. Perhaps Johnny Buckley can offer this threat? David Moran?
I'm rather excited for next season already and I hope Fitzmaurice stays on.
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 6, 2016 11:15:43 GMT
What do ye make of this? It is understood Fitzmaurice’s reappointment is essential in the succession strategy Kerry officials have in mind with it being anticipated current U21 manager O’Connor and minor boss Peter Keane will move up the ranks after the 2018 season. Tommy Griffin will have served his apprenticeship by 2018 and will be in pole position to take on the minors in his own right.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2016 11:17:39 GMT
I am not writing off or retiring anyone, but for the purposes of this mail, I am thinking that the following 6 players may have played their last Kerry game, or else will be in the departure lounge in the next 1 to 2 years: Aidan O’Mahony, Marc O Se, Colm Cooper, Kieran Donaghy, Bryan Sheehan, Donnchadh Walsh. For the years 2017 to 2019, we will be relying on the following groupings within the existing panel: New elder statesmen (6): Darran O’Sullivan and Anthony Maher (minor 2004); Killian Young (minor 2005); Shane Enright; Johnny Buckley; David Moran (minor 2006) Established senior players (13): Brian Kelly; Brendan Kealy; Mark Griffin; Fionn Fitzgerald; Peter Crowley; Paul Murphy; Jonathan Lyne; James O’Donoghue; Mike Geaney; Alan Fitzgerald; Stephen O’Brien; Paul Geaney; Barry John Keane Re-emerging senior panelists (1 - would have become properly established panel members in 2016 but for injury): Brendan O’Sullivan 2016 breakthrough players (3): Tadhg Morley; Brian O Beaglaoich; Tony Brosnan Note that I have not listed any of the younger guys who have been in training but have yet to play senior. They will augment the names above, and no doubt replace some over time. We will need most of the men listed above from the top category to stick around over the next few years to provide continuity. I have included the year they were minor to highlight that some of them are older than people may realise. Kerry will be managing transition from a period of strength, and can keep contending over the next couple of years while blooding the new breed. As people have pointed out, the timing of the U-21 championship makes it difficult to give them NFL time. I expect that the approach with O Beaglaoich this year will provide the template, i.e. we can expect to see one or two guys, but no more, getting NFL time in the early rounds. All the players named 1-6 could play an important role from the bench for Kerry in 2017 but some are unlikely to choose do so. I think Marc was treated poorly post league final this year. There is another kick in the Gooch and he could be revitalised surrounded by a number of the emerging young fast players. You would be hoping that a summer with the club will have brought Tommy Walsh on a bit also.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 6, 2016 11:59:05 GMT
What do ye make of this? It is understood Fitzmaurice’s reappointment is essential in the succession strategy Kerry officials have in mind with it being anticipated current U21 manager O’Connor and minor boss Peter Keane will move up the ranks after the 2018 season. Tommy Griffin will have served his apprenticeship by 2018 and will be in pole position to take on the minors in his own right. So is Jack O'C on track to haunt Éamonn then? I am now so sure that there can be such a house of cards on management succession, one thing moves upsets the apple cart. Spillane has it well in for Fitzy though, what's that all about? I think we are fortunate that he is keen to go on and is it for 1 or 2 years? The pipeline is looking good and it is only a matter of time before we rein in the Dubs. Jim McGuinness has an rather interesting article on developing soccer rookies in the Irish Times today. I also see in the Indo that the top 10 European rugby players are on the guts of half a million pa, including Sexton. That's a stinker when you are on a GAA training pitch in January, and hoping to be still playing beyond Summer when them fellas are turning their arses to the sun and a few floozies hanging around 'em! Is there a God there?
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Post by kot on Sept 6, 2016 12:12:30 GMT
I would agree on Gooch, saw enough to know he has more left. He is still clearly not the Gooch of about 5 years ago but still has something to offer.
Questions around Fitzmaurice's tactical accumen raised there but have to laugh at the suggestion to bring in Jack and that he would be better. Jack had the best players of last 30 years at his disposal in their prime and was beaten on the line twcie by Mickey Harte then by Gilroy & McGuinness. Jack hasn't been a tactical mastermind by any stretch of the imagination. Eamonn has worked wonders, we have gotten very close to Dublin in 2 semi finals and individual moments cost us rather than his tactical nous. Last years final was a day to forget for all. John Evans? Just no!
I'd happily back Eamonn for the next couple of years and he wouldn't stay around himself if he didn't think he can get another All Ireland in the next 2 years.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 12:12:41 GMT
So you lose 4 big games to Dublin and you get two more years. Haha it's makes me laugh. I guarantee you if Dublin lost 4 big games to Kerry Gavin would be gone for sure.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 6, 2016 12:16:33 GMT
Not sure how I feel about this- Fitz reminds me a bit of Arsene Wenger in the way that he is a very good manager in most ways but there are some glaringly obvious issues that he just doesnt address and he makes the odd absolute ridiculous decision.
I guess the alternatives are limited so he's prob the best man for the job as I'd imagine Jack wants to stay with the 21s to win a few titles and also prob wants to avoid bthe difficult period of bedding in that we will prob experience over the next 18 months
However if Fitz doesnt start blooding some new players (including 2017 under 21s) in the league next year then he needs to be given the road, pronto.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2016 12:28:23 GMT
So you lose 4 big games to Dublin and you get two more years. Haha it's makes me laugh. I guarantee you if Dublin lost 4 big games to Kerry Gavin would be gone for sure. Eamonn has done exceptionally well with the players at his disposal post the Golden Years Decade of the noughties. He has done well at a time when there are no other creditable challengers to the Dubs other than a Kerry team in transition, an erratic Mayo team and a Donegal team in decline. Dublin are ahead of a limited bunch of challengers, nothing more I would think. Kerry cant always be winning All-Irelands.
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 6, 2016 12:33:42 GMT
Not sure how I feel about this- Fitz reminds me a bit of Arsene Wenger in the way that he is a very good manager in most ways but there are some glaringly obvious issues that he just doesnt address and he makes the odd absolute ridiculous decision. I guess the alternatives are limited so he's prob the best man for the job as I'd imagine Jack wants to stay with the 21s to win a few titles and also prob wants to avoid bthe difficult period of bedding in that we will prob experience over the next 18 months However if Fitz doesnt start blooding some new players (including 2017 under 21s) in the league next year then he needs to be given the road, pronto. I think I'm in the same boat as you. The selectors should be freshened up too. I've no problem with Hassett staying on but I think it's time for Sheehy and Murphy to step aside.
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Post by kot on Sept 6, 2016 13:01:48 GMT
So you lose 4 big games to Dublin and you get two more years. Haha it's makes me laugh. I guarantee you if Dublin lost 4 big games to Kerry Gavin would be gone for sure. And if Gavin was gone would he but a name that would get put forward to take over for a 3rd time at any time in the future? No. Then why is Jack being raised?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 13:46:50 GMT
Here is one of the idiots I was talking about right here. Where is jack mentioned in one of your famous Quotes. Use your english properly. would he but a name? quote that.
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 6, 2016 13:53:06 GMT
So you lose 4 big games to Dublin and you get two more years. Haha it's makes me laugh. I guarantee you if Dublin lost 4 big games to Kerry Gavin would be gone for sure. You do have a point in that.
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Post by shaggy04 on Sept 6, 2016 13:54:23 GMT
What do ye make of this? It is understood Fitzmaurice’s reappointment is essential in the succession strategy Kerry officials have in mind with it being anticipated current U21 manager O’Connor and minor boss Peter Keane will move up the ranks after the 2018 season. Tommy Griffin will have served his apprenticeship by 2018 and will be in pole position to take on the minors in his own right. Hopefully Stephen Wallace will come into the equation as a minor or u21 selector after his brilliant work with the juniors
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 14:13:38 GMT
Here is one of the idiots I was talking about right here. Where is jack mentioned in one of your famous Quotes. Use your english properly. would he but a name? quote that. Grow up FFS
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Post by givehimaball on Sept 6, 2016 14:16:03 GMT
All the players named 1-6 could play an important role from the bench for Kerry in 2017 but some are unlikely to choose do so. I think Marc was treated poorly post league final this year. There is another kick in the Gooch and he could be revitalised surrounded by a number of the emerging young fast players. You would be hoping that a summer with the club will have brought Tommy Walsh on a bit also. If I was manager I'd be thanking Aidan, Marc, Kieran and Bryan for all they've done for Kerry but I really don't see a place for them in a squad that will surely be targeting Dublin next year even off the bench. I'd be hoping that Donnacha and Colm give it another year as 6 departing at the same time would be a massive blow. None of them owe Kerry football a thing as they have given phenomenal service. Worth remembering that by the time the league starts next year Darran, Maher, Kealy and Young will all be over 30, and once a player hits that mark the clock is very much winding down in terms of intercounty football - Marc and Aidan going until 36 is very much a massive massive exception. It will be interesting to see what happens with Tommy Walsh. Also does anyone know if Brian McGuire might be an option or is he going to be in the US for good?
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Post by fitz on Sept 6, 2016 14:47:22 GMT
Are we still harping on about this game? Surely we should start looking at the club games in Kerry and give this a break. Surely that's the whole purpose of separate threads - you can pick/choose the ones you want to particpate and consume
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 15:03:53 GMT
Mind your Business A--h--e Hey relax, go watch some young fellas play.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 6, 2016 15:12:27 GMT
The natives are restless.
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Post by animal on Sept 6, 2016 15:14:41 GMT
So you lose 4 big games to Dublin and you get two more years. Haha it's makes me laugh. I guarantee you if Dublin lost 4 big games to Kerry Gavin would be gone for sure. Eamonn has done exceptionally well with the players at his disposal post the Golden Years Decade of the noughties. He has done well at a time when there are no other creditable challengers to the Dubs other than a Kerry team in transition, an erratic Mayo team and a Donegal team in decline. Dublin are ahead of a limited bunch of challengers, nothing more I would think. Kerry cant always be winning All-Irelands. Well said.
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Post by fitz on Sept 6, 2016 15:21:08 GMT
So you lose 4 big games to Dublin and you get two more years. Haha it's makes me laugh. I guarantee you if Dublin lost 4 big games to Kerry Gavin would be gone for sure. I asked in a previous reply how with all our unacceptable failings we got to 71 mins 30 secs in that game and were level? Fitzmaurice deserves credit for his matchups and varying degrees of application of high press on Dublin's kickouts. The first 15 mins without score has nothing to do with Fitzmaurice. Individually we kicked the ball away in possession at least 6 times unforced, and heaped pressure on ourselves. I can only think we were panicking to get positions to score, to counter Dublin's good start. There was nothing lucky about either goal - the high press completely fcucked Cluxton's head for the first one, and it was a brilliant 1-2 with Daz and Donnachadh. The second one was admittedly was I think a point attempt by Maher but Geaney put huge pressure on Cluxton and between him, Small and one other they made a mess of dealing with the high ball - there was no luck. I agree and think the Geaney substitution is the one clearly flawed decision made on the day. I am thinking it was made for the purpose of getting Marc on the ball and getting up the pitch into scoring positions, which was taking huge effort for us to do at that time. However, taking off an in-form Geaney who could have been a recipient of such work was baffling. Dublin were a shambles before Gilroy arrived and his first season saw them beat 17 points by Kerry, he had an improved side performing in 2010 until indiscipline cost them a place in the final (Ross McConnell). They had been during that season handed their arse by Meath (5 goals in Leinster Champ). In 2011 they improved further and won the AI. It took time and he improved his playing style and squad. Gavin has generated a fabulous team some of which is from the work Gilroy has built, not withstanding his own fine work at underage before. He also has had brilliant talents coming through in McCaffrey, Mannion, Kilkenny,Cooper, McCarthy as well as huge development in performance from Cian O'Sullivan, Paddy Andrews, Berno, MD McAuley (think he's going the other way now mind), O'Carroll, McMahon. Gavin has also had his massive fcuk up with Donegal, but he learned and his team's defence is an impressive unit and result of serious development work fro that chastening. I think Fitz got a great performance from his team,and learned significantly from last year's final. I think he has brought in two new lads in the half back line and by all accounst Foley and O'Connor will be coming next year and maybe more. I don't think the old lads cost us this game at all, Mahoney put in a hell of a performance. I think we're just not as good as Dublin. I don't think firing Fitzmaurice, getting more minors into the senior team will see us beat Dublin any time soon. Progress needs to be measured. The conditioning of players back in 75 is in a different planet to today, some of the minors playing in last week's game would have been buried. For all Gavin's brilliance the base line is his team are the best because his players collectively are the best. There is no quick fix to this for Kerry, yet while we are second best for now, we are still close enough, as we saw last Sunday. Once Fitzmaurice is showing he is learning, which I think he is, I think he's still the right man. Another poster mentioned ridding Diarmuid. He's one guy I wouldn't let go, he visibly shows he's a man to challenge Eamonn, and he definitely needs to have guys like that by his side, not yes men.
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Post by Kingdomson on Sept 6, 2016 15:21:20 GMT
I decided to not comment earlier on this subject as Éamonn Fitzmaurice had yet to make his position official. Now that it seems to be a done deal, I genuniely wish Éamonn the very best of luck! Given how Éamonn came into a job that was appealing to so few at the time - he definitely deserved the option of making the decision himself to stay or go. In my personal view, I thought it would have been far healthier for the Kerry team at this juncture and Éamonn if he did step down for a while. Taking a break away from the coalface and having some downtime and timeout to reflect, Éamonn could possibly have come back an even better and wiser manager down the line in another 3 or 4 years. By the way, I do think Éamonn is an excellent coach but is possibly too close to some of the former troops he soldiered with it and some of the decision making on the line reflected this. I’m not entirely comfortable with this succession strategy either. OK, it’s good to have a back up plan but a more open process would be far healthier. There are certainly other names out there that could be considered. One name being whispered about should the post come up is Liam Kearns. No involvement with the current set up, he certainly would clear the decks and be a breath of fresh air which would be no harm. Liam Kearns is a well-seasoned inter-county manager at this stage, surely his name should be given some serious consideration by the powers that be - should the post become available in 2 years time. Actually come to think about this - Cork could do lot worse than seek out Liam Kearns services when their managers post comes up again. However, if the Kerry managers position is a closed shop set in stone with a succession strategy we might regret ignoring and turning our nose up to the likes of Liam Kearns down the line.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 16:01:28 GMT
Hey relax, go watch some young fellas play. Hahaha that's the best you got haha. What age are you . What a child. Another idiot . You like young fellas? The irony of the above!
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