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Post by glengael on Sept 20, 2016 11:43:45 GMT
I take your points but if there was concern that the 'traditional' open top bus parade wouldn't attract a crowd, then why not have an indoor welcome home in Tralee or Killarney, say at the INEC if it was available. That could have been made known well in advance so those who wanted to could travel. But instead there is silence.
I can guarantee if a something similar happened, say across the County Bounds, or if Galway had won on Sunday and had no homecoming, we'd be lambasting their Co.Boards fairly lively.
I wouldn't take the absence or presence of posts on this thread as in any way representative of the real world. There are lots of people, many of them GAA fans of all ages, who live their lives without recourse to these forums or social media in general.
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Post by kingdompark on Sept 20, 2016 11:59:30 GMT
How many of the squad are under age next year? Kerry have a great chance of doing the 4 in a row. Very strong team there again next year. Midfield might be the only weak spot. I can see it coming down to three keepers. Nelu Doherty (Crokes) Robbie Murphy (Stacks) Brian O'Regan (Ardfert). 6 backs from this year Cian O'Callaghan (Firies) Chris O'Donoghue (Glenflesk) Cian Gammell (Legion) Ryan O'Neill (Na Gaeil) Mike Potts (Crokes) and Niall O'Donoghue (Firies) Luka Brosnan (Desmonds) Dylan Casey (Stacks) Gearoid Fennessy (Kilgarvan) Pa Warren (Gneeveguilla) Sean O'Connell (Cordal) Nathan O'Flanura (An Ghaeltacht) Sean Collins (O'Rahilly's) Brian O'Connor (Dingle) Lorcan McMonagle (Crokes) Jamie Harrington (Tuosist) David Shanahan (Desmonds) are other backs who could make the panel. Not Sure about midfield Sean Horan (Scartaglin) could make it in midfield backs or forwards. Jake Flynn (Firies) might get a look. Eoin O'Sullivan (Laune Rangers) maybe. Plenty forwards to pick from . David Clifford (Fossa) Brian Friel (Rathmore) Diarmuid O'Connor (Na Gaeil) and Fiachra Clifford (Laune Rangers) will all be there. Daire Cleary (Laune Rangers) was the best u16 player in Kerry this year for me. He will be there. Barry O'Mahoney (St.Senans) Aaron McCarthy (Listry) Ian Roche (Glenflesk) Joe O'Connor (Stacks) Eddie Horan (Scartaglin) Dara Casey (Glenbeigh/Glencar) Jamie O'Sullivan (Waterville) Patrick Moriarty (Brosna) Mark Hartnett (Crokes) Shay Walsh (Scartaglin) Deividas Uosis (Dingle) Mike Kelleher (Mitchels) Gearoid Sheehan (Stacks) Missing a few of the Under 17 crew from this year. Kieran Kennedy from Beaufort, Darragh Devine Na Gaeil, Patrick Carey Laune Rangers, Would put Sean O'Connell in Midfield. Donal Sullivan from Kilgarvan was best Kerry South U16 this year so a shoe in up front. Slattery from Stacks also very strong.
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Post by keane on Sept 20, 2016 12:32:57 GMT
Don't forget we're supposed to pretend we haven't noticed they're any good in case praise on the uber-important kerrygaa.proboards.com damages these guys future prospects. I dare not conceive what damage being feted by real people in real life might do to these guys.
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Post by fitz on Sept 20, 2016 15:30:51 GMT
Only guessing, but it's possible that the Co Board were concerned that there mightn't be much of a turnout for a minor team on its own, especially if the evening was bad (which, as it happens, it isn't). That would probably be more disappointing for the lads than no formal do. In fairness, there's not exactly a deluge of posts about the game on here. Alternatively, there may have been security concerns around Tadhg Kennelly hijacking the team bus. "The Quantas tickets are on me!!!"
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Post by listowelemerrs on Sept 20, 2016 15:43:46 GMT
Surely Donnacha o Sullivan firies will be there or thereabouts next year? Very good player.
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Post by southward on Sept 20, 2016 16:59:31 GMT
I take your points but if there was concern that the 'traditional' open top bus parade wouldn't attract a crowd, then why not have an indoor welcome home in Tralee or Killarney, say at the INEC if it was available. That could have been made known well in advance so those who wanted to could travel. But instead there is silence. I can guarantee if a something similar happened, say across the County Bounds, or if Galway had won on Sunday and had no homecoming, we'd be lambasting their Co.Boards fairly lively. I wouldn't take the absence or presence of posts on this thread as in any way representative of the real world. There are lots of people, many of them GAA fans of all ages, who live their lives without recourse to these forums or social media in general. FG agrees.. www.radiokerry.ie/news/councillor-calls-on-county-board-to-explain-decision-not-to-host-minor-team-homecoming/
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Post by beantownfan on Sept 20, 2016 19:13:34 GMT
I take your points but if there was concern that the 'traditional' open top bus parade wouldn't attract a crowd, then why not have an indoor welcome home in Tralee or Killarney, say at the INEC if it was available. That could have been made known well in advance so those who wanted to could travel. But instead there is silence. I can guarantee if a something similar happened, say across the County Bounds, or if Galway had won on Sunday and had no homecoming, we'd be lambasting their Co.Boards fairly lively. I wouldn't take the absence or presence of posts on this thread as in any way representative of the real world. There are lots of people, many of them GAA fans of all ages, who live their lives without recourse to these forums or social media in general. FG agrees.. www.radiokerry.ie/news/councillor-calls-on-county-board-to-explain-decision-not-to-host-minor-team-homecoming/I would tend to cut the county board some slack.. If they had something organized in advance and the minors lost you'd figure there would be a pretty low turnout, and the co-board would be accused of counting their chickens before they hatched, ala 1982 when the sessions were being organized before the lads even left for Croker! It is different with the seniors as they can make provisional plans safe in the knowledge that win or loose there will be a reasonable turn out.. From what I understand the entire team is being put up in Kenmare tonight, so I think the Co-Board is treating them well, and after all these are minors, it simply does not carry the same interest as the seniors. I am sure they will have a mighty night in Kenmare! I don't recall there being open top buses or celebrations after we won the last U21? I would assume the Co-Board recognize that it is a slippery slope, if they had a big home coming then one would need to be organized for the U21s next year :-) etc...
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Post by southward on Sept 20, 2016 21:23:36 GMT
Some nice post-match moments here...
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 20, 2016 21:45:42 GMT
I watched the minor final again tonight and if you were to mark the Kerry players out of 10, most of them would be getting 7 or maybe 8. I think Galway were good in certain sectors and that must be factored in. Galway are very big and physical in a legitimate way. But they were lacking fire power up front. A lot of times for Kerry good moves broke down by a poor pass etc. While Clifford grabs the headlines, David Shaw is another to watch out for. The overhead fielding by Kerry is most impressive.
After the game, Dara Moynihan was interviewed and talked about gym and core work being done last winter. Clearly, Kerry minors are no longer thrown off the ball like years ago.
The clubs are often forgotten and they deserve the plaudits for the work put in at a young age.
That lad, Sean Mulkerrins at fullback for Galway is from the Aran Islands and looks a great prospect. Quite the character too as can be seen from this video from about 7 years ago...he is the dancer...the smallest of the three but no bother to him.
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Post by peanuts on Sept 20, 2016 22:35:28 GMT
Well done to the minors and Peter Keane & co. A fantastic achievement to win 3 in a row.
Not to minimise the impact of the development coaches or squads in any way but it's worth remembering that the 3 AIs were won on the back of three Hogan Cup wins. The experience and confidence gained from those wins must've had a positive effect on the squads.
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Post by wayupnorth on Sept 21, 2016 6:21:46 GMT
Well done to the minors and Peter Keane & co. A fantastic achievement to win 3 in a row. Not to minimise the impact of the development coaches or squads in any way but it's worth remembering that the 3 AIs were won on the back of three Hogan Cup wins. The experience and confidence gained from those wins must've had a positive effect on the squads. Good point. It would be an interesting exercise to look at how many were included in the development squads BEFORE they distinguished themselves in the Hogan Cup or did the fact that they were being watched as future prospects ensure inclusion on their school teams.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 21, 2016 7:54:54 GMT
Interesting point, surely both backgrounds must have played a significant part in the end products, three Hogan Cups and three minor All-Irelands on the spin.
The school system would have played a huge role in South Kerry's decade of the noughties even though the Hogan Cup victory came at the end of that particular cycle at the end of the decade. The school had very strong teams at the start of the decade overseen by JOC.
It looks like the systems in Kerry are working very well together. Long may that continue. Fantastic dressing room clip, thanks for posting it southward.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Sept 21, 2016 10:04:20 GMT
I am open to correction on this but I think the 2013 was the first minor team that came up fully through the development squad system. That team was unlucky against Tyrone in a 1/4 final and the next three titles were won. the top players from all hogan cup winning teams would also have come through these squads. It seems clear to me that these squads are laying marvellous groundwork in terms of developing players, both physically and skills wise. As another poster noted elsewhere the days of Kerry minors being bullied physically seem to be a thing of the past. Plus the past 3 teams have all played some outstanding football with the traditional skills being to the fore, while also showing an astute tactical awareness.
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Post by kot on Sept 21, 2016 10:32:13 GMT
I am open to correction on this but I think the 2013 was the first minor team that came up fully through the development squad system. That team was unlucky against Tyrone in a 1/4 final and the next three titles were won. the top players from all hogan cup winning teams would also have come through these squads. It seems clear to me that these squads are laying marvellous groundwork in terms of developing players, both physically and skills wise. As another poster noted elsewhere the days of Kerry minors being bullied physically seem to be a thing of the past. Plus the past 3 teams have all played some outstanding football with the traditional skills being to the fore, while also showing an astute tactical awareness. That is one thing that struck me watching them, there was individual sloppiness on Sunday granted in terms of spilling the ball, but their speed of decision making and adapting to the situation in front of them is astounding. It was more prominent in other games and in particular against Kildare in the first half when it was still tight. Just examples of turning to give a pass and finding the route cut off, no panic... no running into the challenge, quickly identify the next option and the ball is gone. If senior teams were at this to that level of consistency and accuracy I would be impressed but a team full of kids? I have never seen the likes at that age group. Even take Cliffords last goal, he picks up a mile from goal and the first thing he does is to see is there a pass on... there isn't so he takes off. He continues to do it (look up and quick scan) before the option left is to rifle it into the net.
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Sept 21, 2016 10:56:29 GMT
I am open to correction on this but I think the 2013 was the first minor team that came up fully through the development squad system. That team was unlucky against Tyrone in a 1/4 final and the next three titles were won. the top players from all hogan cup winning teams would also have come through these squads. It seems clear to me that these squads are laying marvellous groundwork in terms of developing players, both physically and skills wise. As another poster noted elsewhere the days of Kerry minors being bullied physically seem to be a thing of the past. Plus the past 3 teams have all played some outstanding football with the traditional skills being to the fore, while also showing an astute tactical awareness. This is the 2013 team that started that day. Do we see any breaking onto the senior team next year? Shane Ryan Rathmore Fionán Clifford Waterville Cathal Ó'Lúing An Gaeltacht Padraig Ó'Conchúir Dingle Matthew Flaherty Dingle David Foran St. Senans Sean T Dillon St. Senans Greg Horan Austin Stacks Conor Jordan Austin Stacks Michéal Burns Dr. Crokes Jack Savage Kerins O'Rahillys (1-8) Éanna Ó Conchúir An Gaeltacht Conor Keane Killarney Legion (0-2) Shane O'Connor John Mitchels Killian Spillane Templenoe (0-1) Subs: 1. Tony Brosnan for Killian Spillane 2. Kieran Murphy (0-1) for Éanna Ó Conchúir 3. Tom O'Sullivan for Michéal Burns 4. Kevin Shanahan for Conor Jordan
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Post by peanuts on Sept 21, 2016 12:53:16 GMT
I am open to correction on this but I think the 2013 was the first minor team that came up fully through the development squad system. That team was unlucky against Tyrone in a 1/4 final and the next three titles were won. the top players from all hogan cup winning teams would also have come through these squads. It seems clear to me that these squads are laying marvellous groundwork in terms of developing players, both physically and skills wise. As another poster noted elsewhere the days of Kerry minors being bullied physically seem to be a thing of the past. Plus the past 3 teams have all played some outstanding football with the traditional skills being to the fore, while also showing an astute tactical awareness. That is one thing that struck me watching them, there was individual sloppiness on Sunday granted in terms of spilling the ball, but their speed of decision making and adapting to the situation in front of them is astounding. It was more prominent in other games and in particular against Kildare in the first half when it was still tight. Just examples of turning to give a pass and finding the route cut off, no panic... no running into the challenge, quickly identify the next option and the ball is gone. If senior teams were at this to that level of consistency and accuracy I would be impressed but a team full of kids? I have never seen the likes at that age group. Even take Cliffords last goal, he picks up a mile from goal and the first thing he does is to see is there a pass on... there isn't so he takes off. He continues to do it (look up and quick scan) before the option left is to rifle it into the net. Funny thing about Clifford's run and goal was the number of solos he took. It looked like one every three 2 or 3 steps. He certainly wasn't going to get done for overcarrying anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 13:37:56 GMT
he's a great player. A Maurice Fitzgerald type run. Flaherty , Burns, Savage, Spillane, Brosnan. If they stay injury free have a chance of making it.
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Post by fitz on Sept 21, 2016 14:18:13 GMT
Wonder goal. Wet ball, distance covered running, marker couldn't catch him to tackle. The accuracy of soloing maintainined at full tilt, unbelievable finish from acute angle, and no keeper would have any chance of stopping it.
Class. Can't see it beaten for goal of the year.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 21, 2016 15:37:00 GMT
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 21, 2016 15:47:31 GMT
While there's a touch of using the issue for publicity from Kennelly, I do think it was a missed opportunity to make an impression on the young kids of the county, a chance to see and meet an excellent All-Ireland winning panel.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 21, 2016 15:48:48 GMT
Pity he wouldn't rein in his nephew instead and stop this attempted exporting of our young players. We had Mulherin last week mounthing off about an entitlement to tickets. Would these elected representatives of the public just get on with their work. FFS. The KCB are spot on with this policy.
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Post by seamus on Sept 22, 2016 7:27:59 GMT
Attention seeking at its best. As a FG councillor he should save 'reckless and sickening' for the services in rural Ireland that his government is overseeing. County Board are spot on. Do you have a parade if the u21s win next May? What about the juniors? Handing over the homecoming to the captains club was a masterstroke even they it happened by default. The Kenmare club and town put on a great show, taking control of the event back to the grassroots and giving the people of South Kerry the chance to see a winning team without driving 50 miles each way. I can guarantee there were more people in Kenmare than would have been in Denny St on a miserable Monday night.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 22, 2016 8:32:43 GMT
Idiotic lack of context- what's his record on job creation/facilitation in Kerry? What has he done to reverse the trend of rural depopulation in the county or the fcat that the majority of people in their 20s leave Kerry and rarely come back? What has he done to justify his salary or position? I'd imagine thats a lot more sickening
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 22, 2016 8:58:39 GMT
Is our Mike not acting as a feeder to Tadhg's money-machine pipeline, endearing himself to the young lads only to then channel them down-under? Kerry's Eye says Mark O'Connor is headed there to meet someone to show him around, now who would that be? -see below. While you'd wish anyone well in their endeavors and particularly in sports, I'd prefer to see the likes of Mark climbing Hogan all wrapped up in our green and gold.
Have we not learned from Tommy Walsh and where we could have won at least 3 more All Ireland's if he progressed at home and as promised. Has this Auzzie treck finished off a man who could have been the all time best Gaelic footballer? We may never know. For Tommy it looks as if there is no way back.
I think Mike owes Kerry GAA an apology and if they don't get it then it is poor show, using the GAA and council officials for Australian football is a sick joke. Contrary to his rant there wouldn't be much support for exporting lads from any corner of North Kerry, or indeed from any part of the county - do this outfit think the people are stupid or what?
Mark off to Oz Rising young Kerry midfielder star Mark O'Connor from Dingle will shortly travel to Australia to test the waters of AFL football. O'Connor confirmed to Kerry's Eye this week that he is heading to Melbourne. " I am heading to Oz shortly for two weeks. Nothing major just going to a few clubs and that. I have made no commitments so no decisions reached yet. I will be over in Melbourne for October 2nd but I don't know the clubs I am visiting yet to be honest."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 13:37:10 GMT
Mark O'Connor was arguably the best player out of the three minor teams. He is a top class midfielder. It's sad for Kerry football if he does go play over there and for Dingle too. Hopefully Barry O'Sullivan and Brendan O'Sullivan back from injury and they will get a chance in the league.
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Post by fitz on Sept 22, 2016 17:20:44 GMT
Never seen a fielder like him
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 22, 2016 22:05:34 GMT
Never seen a fielder like him What about the rest of his game fitz?
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Post by fitz on Sept 22, 2016 23:29:38 GMT
Never seen a fielder like him What about the rest of his game fitz? Only saw him once in county minor final after second All Ireland captaining Kerry. That's almost a year ago, so physics may have changed significantly since. Developmentally, I had thought he needed more muscle mass in general and to add more power in his running. To be honest I haven't seen him play enough to pass judgement on his tackling, foot passing, defending, concentration and awareness. The fielding going back to 2014 v Mayo stuck out like a sore thumb, in the most not sore way
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