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Post by Jigz84 on Nov 7, 2015 19:55:34 GMT
Donnacha deserves an All Star but maybe he should have got one before now. He is a bit lucky to finally get one this year. Aiden OShea was asked to do the job of a few men on his own. That he had a decent shot at it means he deserves his award. Philly was far ahead of all others for player of the year but the gouger aspect meant that he did get it. Agreed, a player who plays like Philly does doesn't deserve the plaudits for player of the year. Mc Caffrey was outstanding all year and deserved the award. Aidan O Shea was excellent in enough games this year to merit an award. Donaghy got an award based on 2 and a bit games last year. Difference is that Donaghy produced the goods when it mattered most. Same can't be said for O'Shea.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 8, 2015 8:57:29 GMT
Awards went pretty much along the lines the power brokers on TSG suggested they would.
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Post by donegalman on Nov 8, 2015 13:21:26 GMT
I would have had andrews an all star dead cert. Leave Aidan Oshea out. He was great against donegal only after Neil McGee broke his ribs. V dublin he did hardly a thing, I know it was hard when triple marked, but Paddy Andrews shone big time this year. I would also have excluded philly mcmahon and Lee keegan for their incidents in the semi final, seeing as Connolly was excluded for the same thing. Because I cant see any other reason why he didnt get an all star this year. In their place I would have slotted in Cillian Oconnor, Paddy Andrews and possibly a galway player just for their improvement.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 8, 2015 16:07:27 GMT
I would have had andrews an all star dead cert. Leave Aidan Oshea out. He was great against donegal only after Neil McGee broke his ribs. V dublin he did hardly a thing, I know it was hard when triple marked, but Paddy Andrews shone big time this year. I would also have excluded philly mcmahon and Lee keegan for their incidents in the semi final, seeing as Connolly was excluded for the same thing. Because I cant see any other reason why he didnt get an all star this year. In their place I would have slotted in Cillian Oconnor, Paddy Andrews and possibly a galway player just for their improvement. I agree with you on Andrews. I don't think DC didn't get an award because of his transgressions --- he didn't get an award because he wasn't very good in the semi-finals and final. I would have kept McMahon --- he was one of the best two corner backs this year. I don't really have an opinion on Lee Keegan --- I think his role in the DC incident was overblown. Cillian O'Connor showed leadership vs Dublin but no, not for me: Andrews over AOS yes.
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 8, 2015 19:02:19 GMT
Paddy Andrews got the grand total of 2 points in the 3 Leinster Championship games, 3 games where Dublin put up scores of 4-25, 5-18, and 2-13 for a total of 11-56. He got 3 points in the Fermanagh game, 2 points in the first Mayo game, 5 in the second and 1 point in the final. He was subbed a fair bit in Leinster but overall it really does look like it would be a fairly generous All-Star. Is 13 points in 7 games, with a fair few in games Dublin won at a canter worthy of an All-Star?
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Post by fitz on Nov 8, 2015 21:41:49 GMT
McMahon outscored him over the two semi finals. That's his direct marker, just saying like. No o Shea is mayos man and like donaghy Dublin fans really really don't like him. Cillian o Connor was very average this year. His brother was much better Couldn't agree Kex. As Sky said he nailed everything he got. He's not a JOD flair styled forward and he does lack some pace but he had to play a withdrawn role for both semis with no service and focus mostly on defence. Has both feet, scores goals, penalties and most of all has serious bottle all of the time, he's a real leader. Both days against Dublin when he was called on he produced. Aidan O'Shea played well against Donegal and Sligo the latter is diluted in worth. He admittedly got bile service in both semi final games but and crucially he let McMahon off up the field not once but twice in the replay, the first luckily own cost a point, the second time proved to be the killer score. I find it hard to believe it was anyone else's job. He's a fine footballer but couldn't see an All Star for him this year, nor for Lee Keegan.Both O'Connors and Colm Boyle would be ahead of them for me. Donnacha deserved his award, he performed consistently well, key scores and assists against Cork, Kildare and Tyrone and personally while not great in the final was possibly our least erratic and as expected hardest working forward, won free for our final score. Andrews did have hard luck too admittedly, he played very well in the big games, maybe only ok in final with a single point against Fionn who didn't have the size or pace for him. Think Bernard might be a little lucky to have pipped Andrews. Enright did a fine job on him in the final.
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Post by donegalman on Nov 9, 2015 0:36:44 GMT
I think that awards are handed out on the back of semi final and final appearances, with disregard to the rest of the season. There is no doubt that Andrews was quiet before the mayo game, but he really turned it on then. We could look at other seasons and other awards to back this up. Its not exactly stop the back page stuff, these awards that is, but it is interesting at the same time.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 12, 2015 9:18:00 GMT
I see the Leinster councils tokenism at political correctness, on a vote of 28-22, of taking the Dubs out of Croker has served Laois or Wicklow with a double whammy. Lose of an opportunity to have home advantage and an opportunity to play in Croke Park.
Laois or Wicklow playing Dublin in Kilkenny have nothing to gain. Portlaoise is well capable of hosting that potential tie. Hopefully Laois will fight this decision tooth and nail.
All the Leinster turkeys have done is put Christmas Day off until to St. Stephens Day. Should we be surprised?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 12, 2015 13:41:54 GMT
This will silence nobody in the next seven years before Dublin play outside Croke Park again.
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Post by playitfair on Nov 12, 2015 16:42:26 GMT
Does anyone really care or expect it to make a difference.
The reality that until such time that you have Dublin travelling to places such as Killarney, Cork and Castlebar for championship games, no one is really interested. Bar the occasional game, we do not have competitive inter county football from early April until August. That will probably change but over a long period of time. I would like to see a competition where the top 8 teams all play each other (possibly home & away) with the top 2 playing in the all-ireland final. There would be promotion/relegation from and to the lower tiers.
It could result in the county player not really playing with his club. It will be interesting to see if this comes to pass or what form of it evolves.
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Post by buck02 on Nov 12, 2015 20:33:28 GMT
Paul Galvin just did a long interview on Newstalk. Well worth the 25 minute listen-back for anybody who didnt hear it.
Blames the middle distance running in training for getting injured.
Slow to point any finger of blame at Fitzy (for lack of game time) but allowed Parkinson to give out about Cian O Neill's training methods without disagreeing with him. The Santry Clinic are top class however.
Doesnt say much about why he thinks it went wrong against Dublin.
Says "unlikely" he will play next year. There's 2 collections on the shelves next year.
EDIT: Lots of mentions of Dunnes. He stopped short of saying Better Value Beats them all.
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Post by fitz on Nov 12, 2015 22:43:59 GMT
Paul Galvin just did a long interview on Newstalk. Well worth the 25 minute listen-back for anybody who didnt hear it. Blames the middle distance running in training for getting injured. Slow to point any finger of blame at Fitzy (for lack of game time) but allowed Parkinson to give out about Cian O Neill's training methods without disagreeing with him. The Santry Clinic are top class however. Doesnt say much about why he thinks it went wrong against Dublin. Says "unlikely" he will play next year. There's 2 collections on the shelves next year. EDIT: Lots of mentions of Dunnes. He stopped short of saying Better Value Beats them all. I was really disappointed with it. Thought it was very self serving and while I admire his career choice and path chosen, Newstalk Off the Ball is a sport show. 80% of the interview was on his menswear clothing with incessant Dunnes Stores plugging. I don't know what good he thought would come from describing training he disliked, whether valid or not. He didn't portray the image of the Kerry training camp very well. As he said he made his bed, Eamonn is moulding a unit. I mean it must have been a tough call to take him back. Compromised by being family related, an ageing player with a high public profile with a stand out career path. Hard enough off an even base, an extra set of headaches he could have done without. Then Paul did not address in any way the abject final appearance. The boys were afraid to push the tough questions. I was intrigued by the new lease of life given by dead lifting. Not exactly a hip flexion dream, making tight muscles tighter...but if it worked for him.. Look Paul was a legendary Kerry player and tried with best will in world to have another cut, it didn't work out. The place is here the time is now. You owe Kerry nothing but to know that it's time to put down the Kerry jersey for good.
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Post by ballynamona on Nov 12, 2015 23:16:26 GMT
Was there ever any explanation as to why Galvin did not play in Feale Rangers' last game?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 23:49:29 GMT
The reality is Paul was past it a couple of years ago but I would not blame him giving it a shot this year. I am sure he thought he had more to give so easier to blame others than admit you were not up to it.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 13, 2015 1:35:23 GMT
Couldn't put it better myself fitzwop re Paul. I thought he was reintroduced to test opponents in training, then he is introduced in the AI final supposedly 'to scoop up loose ball'. Shouldn't be on the 26 panel, ah in hindsight, if our pipeline is strong then how come a veteran who has lost his stride still cuts it?
For me Paul's abiding memory was single handedly turning around a Munster Final v Cork, not a bad line in a CV. I just hope his creativity gets proper business mentoring and that won't be an easy road. Unlike betting shops misusing this site, Paul sweated, and sweated blood and tears, and the rest. I'd welcome his likes using their profile to win back a few bob for unpaid if priceless effort, sacrifice. Tying the knot at xMas he's setting out on a new life and GAA people will support him.
Ah, the 'Ear to the ground' episode in his book is a belly ache, and in case I'm accused of flattery, nil aon baint agam, hardly my style as Tomaisin Crean will attest to!
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 13, 2015 8:24:23 GMT
Laois fuming after 'overlooked' offer to host Dublin football quarter final Friday, November 13, 2015Paul Keane Laois GAA chairman Gerry Kavanagh claims the county offered to take a €40,000 hit to host Dublin next summer.
Laois are fuming at the decision to overlook O’Moore Park base in favour of Kilkenny’s Nowlan Park for the Dubs’ June 4 Leinster football quarter-final tie.
All-Ireland champions Dublin will play Laois or Wicklow, and Kavanagh said his county were so keen on staging the game, they offered to waive their right, as hosts, to ‘ground rent’. But provincial officials still favoured Nowlan Park, which has around 11,000 more seats than Portlaoise’s O’Moore Park.
Kavanagh intends to call a meeting of the Laois Executive next Monday.
“If people were saying we wanted this game because we were greedy, that we were looking for the ground rent, people should know that we offered to forego our ground rent,” said Kavanagh.
“Depending on the gate of course, that ground rent would be worth €30,000, on the conservative lower point, and up to €40,000 on the higher point. We made it clear we were open to foregoing that.”
He suggests a worrying precedent has now been set. “When this whole issue of Dublin playing outside of Croke Park was first mooted, we always approached it on the premise that if Croke Park wasn’t being used then the other team would get home advantage,” said Kavanagh.
“It was never our intention that the other team would be brought to a neutral venue also.”
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Nov 13, 2015 9:14:57 GMT
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 13, 2015 9:24:56 GMT
Frank over the border gets the Downfall treatment over the stadium
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Post by fitz on Nov 13, 2015 10:46:37 GMT
Laois fuming after 'overlooked' offer to host Dublin football quarter final Friday, November 13, 2015Paul Keane Laois GAA chairman Gerry Kavanagh claims the county offered to take a €40,000 hit to host Dublin next summer. Laois are fuming at the decision to overlook O’Moore Park base in favour of Kilkenny’s Nowlan Park for the Dubs’ June 4 Leinster football quarter-final tie. All-Ireland champions Dublin will play Laois or Wicklow, and Kavanagh said his county were so keen on staging the game, they offered to waive their right, as hosts, to ‘ground rent’. But provincial officials still favoured Nowlan Park, which has around 11,000 more seats than Portlaoise’s O’Moore Park. Kavanagh intends to call a meeting of the Laois Executive next Monday. “If people were saying we wanted this game because we were greedy, that we were looking for the ground rent, people should know that we offered to forego our ground rent,” said Kavanagh. “Depending on the gate of course, that ground rent would be worth €30,000, on the conservative lower point, and up to €40,000 on the higher point. We made it clear we were open to foregoing that.” He suggests a worrying precedent has now been set. “When this whole issue of Dublin playing outside of Croke Park was first mooted, we always approached it on the premise that if Croke Park wasn’t being used then the other team would get home advantage,” said Kavanagh. “It was never our intention that the other team would be brought to a neutral venue also.” There's two points that are borderline galling. 1) The presumption Laois will beat Wicklow. 2) Parkinson saying he didn't care about Wicklow that Aughrim can only hold 5000. I understand his emotional position as a Laois man but there's a fair level of hypocrisy here. The idea is Dublin have to play away if drawn that way. Here we have an argument that Dublin play away in Laois partly because they can cater for 17000 odd. That's bollix. So Wicklow can fcuk off 1) because they will lose(to Laois world beaters) 2) cos they have to build a new stadium. If Wicklow manage to beat Laois and their desire is to play in Aughrim they should completely entitled to do so. Tough on supporters who will miss out but the team is number 1) and their chance of winning. Where is this bar if ground capacity coming from? Again bollix.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 13, 2015 12:05:54 GMT
As I said a number of weeks back, the game should have been left in Croke Park if they were going to go down the neutral venue bull* route.
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Post by peanuts on Nov 13, 2015 13:00:30 GMT
Laois fuming after 'overlooked' offer to host Dublin football quarter final Friday, November 13, 2015Paul Keane Laois GAA chairman Gerry Kavanagh claims the county offered to take a €40,000 hit to host Dublin next summer. Laois are fuming at the decision to overlook O’Moore Park base in favour of Kilkenny’s Nowlan Park for the Dubs’ June 4 Leinster football quarter-final tie. All-Ireland champions Dublin will play Laois or Wicklow, and Kavanagh said his county were so keen on staging the game, they offered to waive their right, as hosts, to ‘ground rent’. But provincial officials still favoured Nowlan Park, which has around 11,000 more seats than Portlaoise’s O’Moore Park. Kavanagh intends to call a meeting of the Laois Executive next Monday. “If people were saying we wanted this game because we were greedy, that we were looking for the ground rent, people should know that we offered to forego our ground rent,” said Kavanagh. “Depending on the gate of course, that ground rent would be worth €30,000, on the conservative lower point, and up to €40,000 on the higher point. We made it clear we were open to foregoing that.” He suggests a worrying precedent has now been set. “When this whole issue of Dublin playing outside of Croke Park was first mooted, we always approached it on the premise that if Croke Park wasn’t being used then the other team would get home advantage,” said Kavanagh. “It was never our intention that the other team would be brought to a neutral venue also.” There's two points that are borderline galling. 1) The presumption Laois will beat Wicklow. 2) Parkinson saying he didn't care about Wicklow that Aughrim can only hold 5000. I understand his emotional position as a Laois man but there's a fair level of hypocrisy here. The idea is Dublin have to play away if drawn that way. Here we have an argument that Dublin play away in Laois partly because they can cater for 17000 odd. That's bollix. So Wicklow can fcuk off 1) because they will lose(to Laois world beaters) 2) cos they have to build a new stadium. If Wicklow manage to beat Laois and their desire is to play in Aughrim they should completely entitled to do so. Tough on supporters who will miss out but the team is number 1) and their chance of winning. Where is this bar if ground capacity coming from? Again bollix. Parkinson's argument was that the capacity of Portlaoise is more or less the same as Nolan park with the main difference being the number of seats. He thought that Aughrim had a capacity of only 5,000 and thought that there was more of an argument for not playing the game there. He made it clear that he was only looking at it for a Laois point of view and 'Wicklow can make their own argument' or words to that effect. I had no issues with what he said to be honest.
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Post by fitz on Nov 14, 2015 20:39:39 GMT
Is that not a contradiction though? A national sports broadcast with a presenter who is from Laois, who has been continuously arguing for Dublin to play outside Croke Park if drawn so(I agree). He then turns from what is expected to be an objective standpoint to represent Laois only. I agree Nolan Park is nonsense, but to talk about playing Dublin as a gimme and then say Aughrim is too small when we don't know a definition or limit of what small is afaik, I just think he was serving his own agenda. I take your point of course as that's how you see it.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 15, 2015 11:34:22 GMT
I dont understand how this cant be open draw with whoever comes out first playing at home- that seems almost too logical.
How are still having problems over such basic issues- gone beyond ridiculous now
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 15, 2015 15:45:57 GMT
The "in camera and only open to fully accredited members of the county board" meeting that was supposed to be on in Cork where the situation relating to the finances of Pairc Ui Chaoimh were going to be "discussed" was cancelled at the last minute.....Also been told that there's a lot of talk that the Cork county board draw is getting a very very poor response..... Just heard this finance meeting has been cancelled again....once again at fairly short notice..... Third time the charm ? - this meeting is due to be on Tuesday night - they surely can't cancel it a third time at short notice.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 15, 2015 20:25:14 GMT
Joe Brolly: Elitism is destroying our games - and our players
Joe Brolly
15/11/2015 | 17:00
The senior inter-county game has not only been sucking the life out of the GAA, killing the clubs, it has been sucking the life out of those who play it. I gave a lecture on sport and ethics in Trinity College last Saturday and I have to say it was a lot of fun. At one point during the talk I was about to embark on an anecdote that couldn't be told publicly. "Anyone here from the press?" After some nervous laughter, a lady put up her hand. "You breathe a word of what I'm about to say and I'll come after you with everything I have." (audience laughter). "I know a lot more sinister people than you do young lady (more laughter). So do not f*** with me." (explosion of laughter.) Afterwards, she came up to me and said: "I'm from the Irish Catholic newspaper." In the Q&A section following the lecture, Karol Mannion, ex-Roscommon footballer and All-Ireland club winner with St Brigid's, said he got out of the county game because it was taking the players' lives from them. When he began with Roscommon they were a vibrant, imaginative team playing free-flowing football in Division One of the National League. As he put it, "it was part of a healthy, balanced lifestyle."
Many of them drank after league games together. They got full now and again and were able to meet and socialise in their locality. Some even, on one famous occasion, got naked in a hotel in Derry after a challenge match, walking casually through the place in the nip. A bemused hotel manager went to the games room to be greeted by the sight of two playing members (for want of a better word) calmly playing snooker, stark naked. Nowadays, players are punished by managers for so much as being seen in a bar. Earlier this year, two Clare hurlers stepped down from the panel claiming they were disciplined after being in a pub mid-week, apparently drinking spring water, before a weekend game they were not even slated to take part in. It is typical of an enormous, dysfunctional transformation in our culture, created by out-of-control managers, permitted by docile county boards and a GAA elite that is working hand in glove with an entirely professional GPA. Players are being turned into dependent clones.
As the fixation on winning has taken hold, elitism has replaced participation and a once healthy ethos has been corrupted. With elitism, the focus moves to a tiny minority. In turn, a vast, unhealthy pressure has been exerted on that minority. So, county players are now cordoned off from normal life. You never see them out and about, unless they are en route to training or a match. Their lives have become entirely micro-managed. I was shown a mid-year weekly diary of an Ulster county squad last year by one of the backroom team. Each week, the players were given a timetable containing minute detail. One segment read as follows: "Tuesday morning: Out of bed by 8.0am. Eat breakfast at home" - before prescribing exactly what that breakfast should be. Eat breakfast at home? Is it any wonder county players are becoming colourless clones?
I remember once at the Slieve Russell when we were in our pomp, a waitress asked the great Tony Scullion if he wanted the continental breakfast and himself and Big Brian McGilligan roared with laughter. Within minutes, vast Ulster fries were sitting in front of the boys. In those days, neither Dungiven nor Straw were particularly influenced by eating habits on the European continent. The point is that this ultra-monastic lifestyle is not only unnecessary, it is counter-productive. Too much pressure. Too much boredom. Too damaging an impact on the healthy development of our young men.
Before the Rugby World Cup final a fortnight ago, Aussie manager Michael Cheika described his team as "a mixture of lovers and fighters". After every game, they socialise together. In pro rugby, a balanced lifestyle is considered essential. Cheika's number eight, David Pocock, reckoned by experts to be the best in his position in the world, chimed in. He is co-founder of 20/20 vision, a rural development programme in poverty-stricken Zimbabwe. "At the end of the day," he said, "Michael is right. It's a game. It's there to be enjoyed. It can offer so much to us, but there is a lot more to life than chasing a rugby ball around the place." Pocock's training load is under eight hours per week (according to Mike McGurn, high performance at QUB, ex-coach of the All Blacks and Ireland, all senior inter-county teams significantly exceed this). Pocock spends much of his free time on his farm in Canberra with his partner, Emma, where they have nine chickens, and their garden provides their fruit and veg. He has a very full life outside of rugby. He is currently studying Ecological Agricultural Systems, his passion. He is also heavily involved with the Climate Change Movement. Recently, he was arrested by police when he chained himself to a monster digger to prevent the desecration of an ecologically important site. Imagine one of our senior inter-county players doing that? No chance. Our boys have to stay out of sight (save for endorsing products) and stay silent. Save for when they are put before the cameras to give one of those excruciating interviews. The ones where they talk without talking.
Marty Morrissey: You've got Leitrim in the qualifiers today. It will be little more than a run out for you? Random Player: Well, Marty, Leitrim are a great team and we've got the greatest respect for them.
MM: But they lost to Mayo by 34 points in Connacht. RP: Well, Marty, we watched the video of that and they certainly didn't do themselves justice. Seven of those goals came from uncharacteristic mistakes and 14 of the frees they conceded were unfortunate. They are a great team and I've no doubt they will have learned from those errors. We're under no illusions that this is a huge challenge for us today.
MM: But seven of their first team, including their left-footed free taker, right-footed free taker, goalie, midfielders, full-back and centre-forward have gone to America since the Mayo game. We're hearing that the bus driver has had to tog out today. RP: Well, that is right, Marty. But the under-21s and three minors they've brought in are all quality players and the bus driver is extremely experienced. We know that if we're not at the top of our game, we'll not come through this challenge - so we are under no illusions that this is a huge challenge today.
MM: And, of course, the game is in Croke Park, where this Leitrim team have never played.
RP: Well, Marty, the fact it is Croke Park puts all the pressure on us. Leitrim are a great team and they haven't come here to make up the numbers, so it's a huge challenge for our players and we're under no illusions that this is a huge challenge today. Like life-size marionettes, where a string is pulled out from their back and they repeat several stock phrases. Outside of the game, players have been reduced to advertising hoardings. "The new Audi is amazing", or "Thanks adidas for the incredible new Predator boots made from alligator hide." It is as tacky as the child in the beauty pageant.
As inter-county Gaelic football has been twisted from something healthy and good into a conformist freak show, the GPA has thrived. This is unsurprising, since many of them are little more than tacky billboards. The shocking events in Clare hurling last season gave them the opportunity to take a stand on behalf of players. Instead, they did nothing. Within the year, their chairman Donal Óg Cusack (most recent tweet: "Thanks for the park and fill @qparkireland @mitsubishi_IRL @danseamanmotors @drive4zero") has become the all-smiling, all-dancing sidekick of Davy Fitzgerald. You couldn't make it up.
Players need their lives back. Have a drink in moderation. Sometimes not in moderation at all. Go to the pictures. Socialise with friends. Train less. Live more. Buy some chickens for f*** sake. Say real things. Chain themselves to railings somewhere for a good cause. Streak down the main street on a Sunday night. Anything to lift the gloom imposed by the nasty, money-grabbing little cartel that has come to dominate the county game.
Sunday Indo Sport
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 16, 2015 17:26:17 GMT
It would interesting to hear what measures Joe would propose to control the game at the highest level and make it less serious across the board.
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Post by falveyb2k on Nov 16, 2015 22:58:41 GMT
It's the same article about 20 times already this year, in fact it's practically the same as the article he wrote last week!!!! The irony is obviously lost on Joe that criticizing amateur players for making money from endorsements while taking money for "analysis" from newspapers and television is hypocritical at best.
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Post by ballynamona on Nov 16, 2015 23:27:34 GMT
Even though Joe makes some good points, he also worshiped at the altar of Jim McGuinness, who exercised more control than anyone.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 21, 2015 1:43:11 GMT
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Post by woody123 on Nov 21, 2015 16:39:33 GMT
Hi lads, I'm new on here, can't set up a new thread so I said I'd hijack this one, apologies in advance. Basically I'm looking for a few suggestions for managers / coaches who could take over a senior team. We would need someone who could manage and train. Our club would be willing to pay fairly generous 'expenses'. Any suggestions?
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