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Post by kerrygold on Jan 17, 2016 10:35:51 GMT
All this seems overly complicated from the suits at Corporate Park to retain the status quo of the lopsided provincial championships, the sop to the third level colleges and to maintain existing money making gravy trains. There is a clear lack of vision on regulation of the preparation of inter county teams and increasing player demands. The u21 and Junior championships are not the enemy. Over to the Christmas turkey dels now at Congress - scary thought either way!
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 17, 2016 11:33:23 GMT
Until the top drawer teams get to play each other during the summer they are only tinkering about in my view.
There should be a run of games with Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone, Donegal, Cork and two more all playing each other with the semi final and final played off between the top 4.
A similar system could apply to the next 8 teams with promotion and relegation built in. And so on.
The Dubs would be on the road during the summer with massve weekends in Killarney, Castlebar, Omagh etc
But the provincial councils wont let their grip on power go
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 17, 2016 11:54:24 GMT
The retention of the provincial championships in their current guise is the main obstacle to real and meaningful improvement/change of all GAA matters, combined with the failure to regulate the runaway train the intercounty game at the highest level has become.
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Post by rovingfullforward on Jan 26, 2016 13:26:18 GMT
Some shambles across the County Bounds with the redevelopment of 'De Pairc'. €78m cost and counting, planning breaches etc.
Good man Frank.
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Post by baurtregaum on Jan 26, 2016 13:31:20 GMT
Some shambles across the County Bounds with the redevelopment of 'De Pairc'. €78m cost and counting, planning breaches etc. Good man Frank. They should have done a municipal stadium for a number of sports. A really modern 30k seater should have been done. It would have been better value
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Post by mandad on Jan 26, 2016 14:43:40 GMT
I am reliably informed that the development could run for several years. If that were to happen I would hope and expect that the Kerry Co. Board would take steps to abandon the ‘home & away’ arrangement that we have with Cork and opt for a neutral venue for a few years until things are back to normal.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 26, 2016 15:16:06 GMT
I am reliably informed that the development could run for several years. If that were to happen I would hope and expect that the Kerry Co. Board would take steps to abandon the ‘home & away’ arrangement that we have with Cork and opt for a neutral venue for a few years until things are back to normal. Very good point. Cork should nominate the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick as their home venue for the Kerry v Cork home and away arrangement if the development drags on.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 28, 2016 22:39:21 GMT
I only moved away from Cork a few weeks ago, but at that time there was still not a lot happening at the site of PUC. They've knocked most of the structure of the nuclear shelter and apparently a lot of it should have stayed as it was. Already over budget with numerous violations and not a single thing constructed I doubt they will finish it within the next three years, that is if they find the money and the permits. After all that time they will have a stadium that will already be too small and will still be largely inaccessible due to its location. Parking will still be impossible and getting to and from the game will still be hell for most supporters. With Musgrave Park and Turners Cross also crumbling and underdeveloped Cork will have three small stadiums and a white elephant in Pairc Ui Rinn. Mismanagement by the County Board and the Cork County Council leaves the largest county and Ireland's second largest city without a proper stadium for the city's and county's main 4 sports and all 4 sports lose out as a consequence. I'm sure that a 60.000 seater multi purpose stadium could have been built if all 3 organisations, county council and city council would have worked together. Munster Rugby would have had a home to rival Thomond Park and Cork GAA would be the laughing stock of Ireland no longer.
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Post by buck02 on Jan 29, 2016 13:33:46 GMT
Good to see that the club fixtures for this year have 7 rounds of the county league planned for the months of June, July & August. County and club championship games will be played in April and May.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 31, 2016 16:09:56 GMT
I heard the new Cork manager talk on Newstalk.
Look I'm sure he's a nice man and all but sounds like another Conor Counihan to me... stuck in the last millenium and I'm almost writing off Cork as a serious threat already.
Cork appointing these fellas... I don't know, I just don't know.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 31, 2016 16:52:55 GMT
I heard the new Cork manager talk on Newstalk. Look I'm sure he's a nice man and all but sounds like another Conor Counihan to me... stuck in the last millenium and I'm almost writing off Cork as a serious threat already. Cork appointing these fellas... I don't know, I just don't know. Given the size of Cork, the amount of people involved in hurling and football, the resources, etc, etc, it should be possible for Cork to be a lot more competitive. I heard a Corkman saying the other day that if Cork would have had the back door in the 70s and 80s that they would now have at least 15 All Irelands. That is a major part of the problem with Cork in my opinion, they always blame others and situations outside their control for continuing to fail. Mayo might be classed as the ultimate bottlers, but Cork have been worse in my opinion. Year on year they press the self destruct button with appointments like Healy and Counihan and year on year they have a good league game and think they are there already. I'm sure Kerrigan wanted to elude to that in his interview, but talking about winning championship games, and more or less insinuating they should beat Kerry in the Munster final, in January is showing to me they haven't learned anything. Again, like previous years, Cork have a few very talented youngsters coming into the squad, but I really doubt Healy knows how to utilise it. Mayo were woeful today and made Cork look very good and yet a more clinical Mayo could have won the game. Goulding and Kerrigan are again being talked up as if they were the two best footballers ever to come from Cork and the worrying thing for Cork is that the management are prone to believing it. Dublin have realised, after years, that the huge numbers of players and resources work in their favour, but I doubt the same will happen in Cork anytime soon.
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Post by delorean on Jan 31, 2016 18:38:29 GMT
I really shouldn't but...
Seoirse -
Did you really suggest that Cork City Football Club play their home games in a 60,000 capacity stadium? Sweet Lord.
Are Turners Cross and Musgrave Park really crumbling or did you just make that up? Their redevelopments in 2009 and 2015 respectively must have been an awful waste of money.
Why would Munster Rugby want/need a new, bigger stadium to rival the rarely full and recently redeveloped Thomond Park?
Why will Pairc Ui Rinn become a white elephant all of a sudden? Will it not be used as frequently as it always has been?
Pairc Ui Chaoimh is about a half hour walk from the city centre. Where do you suggest locating your new 60,000 capacity stadium to make it more accessible?... Oliver Plunkett Street?
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Post by buck02 on Jan 31, 2016 19:15:51 GMT
I really shouldn't but... Seoirse - Did you really suggest that Cork City Football Club play their home games in a 60,000 capacity stadium? Sweet Lord. Are Turners Cross and Musgrave Park really crumbling or did you just make that up? Their redevelopments in 2009 and 2015 respectively must have been an awful waste of money. Why would Munster Rugby want/need a new, bigger stadium to rival the rarely full and recently redeveloped Thomond Park? Why will Pairc Ui Rinn become a white elephant all of a sudden? Will it not be used as frequently as it always has been? Pairc Ui Chaoimh is about a half hour walk from the city centre. Where do you suggest locating your new 60,000 capacity stadium to make it more accessible?... Oliver Plunkett Street? Delorean - this is a first. I agree totally with you. Like you said in the first line "I really shouldnt but....'
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 31, 2016 19:30:55 GMT
I really shouldn't but... Seoirse - Did you really suggest that Cork City Football Club play their home games in a 60,000 capacity stadium? Sweet Lord. Are Turners Cross and Musgrave Park really crumbling or did you just make that up? Their redevelopments in 2009 and 2015 respectively must have been an awful waste of money. Making fools of ourselves as usual. Why would Munster Rugby want/need a new, bigger stadium to rival the rarely full and recently redeveloped Thomond Park? Why will Pairc Ui Rinn become a white elephant all of a sudden? Will it not be used as frequently as it always has been? Pairc Ui Chaoimh is about a half hour walk from the city centre. Where do you suggest locating your new 60,000 capacity stadium to make it more accessible?... Oliver Plunkett Street? Have you been to Pairc Ui Chaoimh in recent years? Parking in city centre and walking half an hour is indeed the best option as there is no parking nearby. Not that there is much parking in city centre. Most matches are on weekends and that is when most shoppers flock to the city as well and parking facilities are stretched to the limit. I'm not making up the parking issue in Cork city as it has been highlighted numerous times by the city council. The parking issue for Pairc Ui Chaoimh was one of the problems the Cork city council had with the original plans for redeveloping Pairc Ui Chaoimh. Then you get objections by people in the area and the fact that a proposed centre of excellence for Cork will most likely not go ahead in that area. The project si already over budget and has been delayed numerous times. When it is finished it will already be too small for Frank Murphy's vision of hosting provincial finals. Shops and a museum are proposed to make the stadium a moneymaker, but I doubt anyone will drive to the marina area for the few shops they have in mind. Will shops actually be interested in paying rent at the new stadium? At a time when many shops in the city centre are closing? At a time when so many new developments are being proposed in Cork city centre that also want to attract shops. It would then also be competing with Mahon shopping centre and Blackpool shopping centre. So disregard the moneymaking issue and the parking problems and the fact it will not be able to host provincial finals at the capacity that is proposed. The next issue will be the environmental impact and logistics. Add to that the fact that Cork have another stadium very close by that would become obsolete as a result of the redevelopment of Pairc Ui Chaoimh. If they are still going to play games and train and Pairc Ui Rinn it will mean Pairc Ui Chaim will be used even less. Turners Cross and Musgrave park were redeveloped since they had to. They were no longer of this time they way they were. Rather than rebuilding them or restructuring them they were given a makeover. Even at a capacity of 7000 Turners Cross isn't sold out all the time, so I do get the point they don't need a bigger stadium. There is also the training grounds at Bishopstown stadium and the Mar*. Parking too is a problem at Turners Cross so it is good that so many people walk from city centre. People living around the stadium constantly complain about spectators parking everywhere they please. Musgrave park too was redeveloped and given a facelift. A new stand was built but it still can't be called a modern stadium. I don't know if you live in the city or the county, but if you live in the city you will know that the Park & Ride is probably the best option to park nearby, but that it is closed on Sundays. Here too people living nearby complain about people parking everywhere and many a supporter from outside the county will remember Musgrave Park best for parking tickets. I love Thomond park as a Munster fan, but if you follow the rugby, as I do as well, you will know that there is constant calls from Cork to distribute games between Limerick and Cork. I prefer Limerick and Thomond Park and I also think it is more central for Munster. After all it is called Munster Rugby and Limerick is more or less in the middle of Munster. At the moment though very few games are being played in Musgrave Park, at least not the games that matter, and I'm fine with that. If Cork really wants people to think of Munster Rugby is being in Cork and Limerick than Musgrave Park and the games it attracts is probably not good enough. I'm not sure if a 60.000 seater would be something that could be considered at all but Pairc Ui Chaoimh as it currently si being developed will be a bottomless pit for money the county board could use for building a centre of excellence. I'm sure that Munster Rugby, Cork City FC, the Cork County Board, UCC, Cork city council and county council could have worked together to build a nice stadium for all sports and a nice centre of excellence right next door. It could located near Blackpool maybe or Bishopstown or maybe even near the airport. UCC have of course already nice facilities but might be enticed to invest in facilities for its sports studies. I'm just brainstorming here, but I still think it would be a much better option than the redevelopment of Pairc Ui Chaoimh.
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