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Post by fitz on Oct 8, 2015 9:41:53 GMT
Mayo will not get McGuinness, as he is committed to celtic. There would be no way he would walk away from his job, with the money involved in it. I would say that Mayo will possibly look at the corofin manager, or look at their own u21 manager. There is little point in going back to horan yet. He will have a say in mayos footballing future, but not just yet. I can see him going back to manage mayo in 2 or 3 years time. The players love him, and in fairness to him, he seemed to get the best out of them. Kevin Cassidy was sold out re the donegal holiday. I think that there are massive double standards going on here. McGuinness was right in the point that he made, but wrong on a couple of counts. 1 It is a team holiday, not a holiday voucher spree. If you go anywhere on your own, it is not a team holiday. 2 He was guilty of omitting donegal's best footballer pre michael murphy from the holiday in 2011 due to personal reasons. 3 I am only guessing, which is dangerous, but I wonder who took the empty seats on the holiday, and therefore if they were filled the budget was thus spent. Donegal county board are in a no win situation if this is the case. Use the 80000 budget in a team holiday, or forfeit the places that are not filled. Therefore they could have been forced to use them - or lose them. Might be naive but they not have taken the budget and held back the money for the boys, even if deception was required. Real lack of ability to deal with exceptional circumstances and most of all the complete lack of a human touch. Archaic, but there's plenty of that flowing through AS GAA
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 8, 2015 13:12:45 GMT
Wasn't Cuthbert a Frank man? Yup I think to be manager in cork you almost have to be one of franks guys. Cuthberts willingness to accommodate the dual players was a big factor in his appointment. The feeling among the Cork footballing folk is that Frank doesn't really care about the footballers. Everything I've heard seems to suggest Cuthbert's willingness to accommodate dual players was the decisive factor in his appointment. That won't cut it with the players. Players are investing their time, they are right to call it as they see it. Yup - it's one thing to spend hours and hours training when you have a manager who you believe in, a whole different story when you believe the manager isn't up to the job. Interestingly Cork GAA's deal with Chill is up and there are currently talks to extend it - wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Cork take a fair oul hit on what they get this time around if they do manage to hang on to Chill. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/cork-in-discussions-to-extend-chill-sponsorship-deal-358216.html
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 8, 2015 15:46:06 GMT
Maybe Cork football needs it own separate county board to run it's affairs? Wasn't Frank supposed to exit shortly after the last strike, within a year or two?
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Post by wayupnorth on Oct 8, 2015 18:37:47 GMT
You would have to wonder when and why did Cian O'Neill decide to exit the Kerry set up? His name did not feature in Kildare until very late and Glen Ryan was the name talked about. Supporters on here and indeed throughout the game are speculating on what retirements from the panel are likely as well as from within the coaching and management set-up. Some seem to think that Mark and Aiden are practically certain to retire. My own opinion would be that there is a good chance that Mark will remain on and that maybe Aiden could be 'persuaded' to give it one more year. With regard to the Management - my tuppence worth would be that Diarmuid and Mikey will continue and I would expect that Pádraig Corcoran will be given lead role of Strength & Conditioning. Pádraig is a very competent operator who has been with the squad for three years now and knows the job well. Agree regarding Marc and Aidan, both players could stay on and contribute in 2016 for Kerry. I would hope that Marc will give it at least another year if only because it's not right for our last memory of him to be the black card against Tyrone. Aidan also has a bit left in him but they will know best themselves. But I'm not going to use the terrible cliche about owing us nothing!
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Post by MeathExile on Oct 9, 2015 21:42:49 GMT
Would love to see Aidan and Marc try it again next year, but on the proviso that they dont get preferential treatment come selection days. If not good enough, then they dont make the squad for the day. I dont think this applied this year - PG for me should not have been on match day squad, let alone come on. Likewise Marc, if not fit enough to come on for the final, should not have been in the match day squad. I would love to have seen him come on around midfield for the last 20 as he could have turned it our way.
Tough decisions I know, but necessary for the greater good. If Marc or Aidan decide to go again, and end up not making match day squads in 2016, I would admire them all the more for making the commitment and giving their all for the greater good. HUGE decisions for both lads. HUGE decisions for selectors for each match as well, but honesty and clear communications are required.
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Post by Aodhan on Oct 10, 2015 23:09:43 GMT
Looks like Donal Buckley will be joining forces with Tipp.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 11, 2015 10:38:12 GMT
There was an unreal passage of play yesterday in the rugby game between Wales and Australia. Australia had two men on yellow cards at the same time so 15 v 13 usually means a few tries to the team with 15. Wales were camped on the line but Australia held due to a majestic display of defending and grit. Australia ended up breaking down field at the end with 13 men and won a penalty.
The TV3 commentators (Keith Wood and Co) were in awe of Australia's display of defending and I couldn't help thinking of what our TSG Gaelic football panel (and the GAA football media in general) would make of such a spectacle. Not much I suspect. Good defending is more appreciated by the hurling media fraternity for some reason.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 11, 2015 14:16:07 GMT
It was indeed amazing stuff but I also think Wales blew it a bit with options taken like the way Ireland did in Cardiff earlier this year, ironically. Hard to see Wales coming back from that, though SA aren't unbeatable.
I see where Sweeney in the SIndo is completely on the rugger bandwagon and talking about how it's on the verge of becoming Ireland's most popular & fastest growing played sport.
Hmmmm, just like soccer was when the Irish team were going well. But when this era is over, which it will be very soon, by the end of this WC I feel sure, and that may begin today, all of that will fade away steadily. BOD's gone, POC about to go, OGara gone, Sexton another two years at this level at best (considering his injuries).
Those lads along with O'Brien (also a lot of injuries), and to a lesser extent Rob Kearney, Darcy (gone), Heaslip, and Bowe are what made the golden era (not forgetting a few others like Stringer & Ferris, Ross, and O'Mahony for example), when most of those are gone, it's going to be a long period down the rankings I would say.
I do think GAA is in a funny place with Kk dominating hurling to a ridiculous extent, and both games being in a nether region of professionalism without pay and disorganised/lopsided competitions. I think though once the rugger hype has gone and with the soccer team still lacking anything like world quality players for the most part there won't be so much distractions in the years ahead.
As for defending I think Donegal & Kerry last year & Dublin this year produced great defensive displays that were highlights of the semi-final & final last year and the final this year. But I agree that Kk's defending in the past two years has been outstanding and at least equally the most important reason for them winning
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 11, 2015 14:36:23 GMT
It would be sheer madness to go back to James Horan. Personally, I feel the Mayo players were right to voice disquiet if that is how they felt. I am not absolving them of responsibility, but clearly having the right manager matters. Look at the difference Gilroy made to Dublin, McGuinness to Donegal, Eamon Fitz to Kerry. Mayo need someone who is on top of the detail and tactically astute. Connelly and Holmes emerge with credit for reading the situation and walking away with dignity intact. I don't buy the comparisions with Cork. The blood-letting here is not as protracted or as public. Also, the pressure on Mayo to win an AI is already so great that I don't see this adding to it all that much. Mayo need changes in the team and the way they are set up. This could well take 2 years to get to the level required to win Sam. They also need to have a coach who is up to that job, big ask all around. They need a very good nat league the next two years and they need to experiment to the extent that they might well lose in Connaught. All of this is contingent on them having good enough players to go the extra yards. Furthermore, they badly need to manage the media better, the hype around them is very damaging. Does anybody think that this bears a lot of similarities to Waterford hurlers a few years ago?
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Post by donegalman on Oct 11, 2015 20:35:54 GMT
Mayo will regroup and give it one last push next year, I think they wont be far away. Dublin will have 2nd season syndrome. .
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 12, 2015 9:46:38 GMT
The "in camera and only open to fully accredited members of the county board" meeting that was supposed to be on in Cork where the situation relating to the finances of Pairc Ui Chaoimh were going to be "discussed" was cancelled at the last minute.....Also been told that there's a lot of talk that the Cork county board draw is getting a very very poor response.....
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Post by Dermot on Oct 12, 2015 10:55:59 GMT
Tommy Bowe caught a ball yesterday that "any" of the very best gaelic midfielders would have been seriously proud of ... Fantastic display and result for Ireland but at what cost :-( .... If we had aspirations of going much further surely we would need those guys !!
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Post by ballynamona on Oct 12, 2015 18:44:01 GMT
I was reading about World Rugby's development department. The old stuffy 'tier 1' brigade were never great at giving a leg up to the emerging countries. The development dept go around to tier 2 countries addressing defects.
I know that the GAA have master plans, and try to distribute some wealth. Put lets face it, the gap has grown in both codes. Have a read of this from Liam Griffin:
"Australia is 24 hours away, yet we can create a new game with the Aussie Rules lads. Longford and Leitrim are right here, yet we largely ignore them and many others too when it comes to promoting hurling. The new D. J. Carey could be living in Longford, Leitrim or Donegal, but we'll never know. We have failed him. [...] If someone can market coloured gripe water, call it Coca Cola and clean up worldwide, we should be able to sell hurling in Longford"
The fact that hurling is played in so few places gives the lie to some of the spin on the Sky deal, which is that hurling would be spread worldwide.
I think the GAA need to act to limit what counties can spend, and also to invest in the weaker counties in both hurling and football.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 12, 2015 21:20:13 GMT
I was reading about World Rugby's development department. The old stuffy 'tier 1' brigade were never great at giving a leg up to the emerging countries. The development dept go around to tier 2 countries addressing defects. I know that the GAA have master plans, and try to distribute some wealth. Put lets face it, the gap has grown in both codes. Have a read of this from Liam Griffin: "Australia is 24 hours away, yet we can create a new game with the Aussie Rules lads. Longford and Leitrim are right here, yet we largely ignore them and many others too when it comes to promoting hurling. The new D. J. Carey could be living in Longford, Leitrim or Donegal, but we'll never know. We have failed him. [...] If someone can market coloured gripe water, call it Coca Cola and clean up worldwide, we should be able to sell hurling in Longford" The fact that hurling is played in so few places gives the lie to some of the spin on the Sky deal, which is that hurling would be spread worldwide. I think the GAA need to act to limit what counties can spend, and also to invest in the weaker counties in both hurling and football. I'm not convince at all that spending money in weaker counties will improve the games there leading to senior All-Ireland winning campaigns. Laois, Westmeath and Tipp have had great success at underage level in football but have not made the breakthrough at senior championship level. Mayo have tradition and money but have not been able to land that elusive All-Ireland.
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Post by donegalman on Oct 12, 2015 21:47:21 GMT
I was reading about World Rugby's development department. The old stuffy 'tier 1' brigade were never great at giving a leg up to the emerging countries. The development dept go around to tier 2 countries addressing defects. I know that the GAA have master plans, and try to distribute some wealth. Put lets face it, the gap has grown in both codes. Have a read of this from Liam Griffin: "Australia is 24 hours away, yet we can create a new game with the Aussie Rules lads. Longford and Leitrim are right here, yet we largely ignore them and many others too when it comes to promoting hurling. The new D. J. Carey could be living in Longford, Leitrim or Donegal, but we'll never know. We have failed him. [...] If someone can market coloured gripe water, call it Coca Cola and clean up worldwide, we should be able to sell hurling in Longford" The fact that hurling is played in so few places gives the lie to some of the spin on the Sky deal, which is that hurling would be spread worldwide. I think the GAA need to act to limit what counties can spend, and also to invest in the weaker counties in both hurling and football. I'm not convince at all that spending money in weaker counties will improve the games there leading to senior All-Ireland winning campaigns. Laois, Westmeath and Tipp have had great success at underage level in football but have not made the breakthrough at senior championship level. [/b] Mayo have tradition and money but have not been able to land that elusive All-Ireland. [/quote] I think that this is an impossible task. how do you stop sponsorship or the like?
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 13, 2015 7:24:17 GMT
I see Billy Morgan is being linked with a possible return to the Cork hot seat.
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Post by leesider on Oct 13, 2015 11:47:25 GMT
I see Billy Morgan is being linked with a possible return to the Cork hot seat. Please God don't let this be true;only in Cork would a man who has only won two All-Ireland finals out of seven as a manager be considered a legend.
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 13, 2015 12:42:13 GMT
I see Billy Morgan is being linked with a possible return to the Cork hot seat. Please God don't let this be true;only in Cork would a man who has only won two All-Ireland finals out of seven as a manager be considered a legend. With 7 All-Ireland football titles in total can Cork really be that sniffy about Morgan with two wins as manager (plus captaining the side to another win). Also was manager when Nemo won the Club All-Ireland. If he's not a Cork Gaa football legend one has to ask who the hell is? I'm trying to figure it out what it means that the Irish Times have this story but the Examiner or the Indo don't. The mention of Tompkins as well make me fairly suspicious about whether someone might be trying to engage in a bit of "spin" After the debacle at the dinner, I really can't see Frank being willing to let bygones be bygones with Billy any time soon. The only way I can see Morgan getting the job is if the stadium finances are in even worst shape than the rumours suggest. Overall it seem like its a serious scramble to try and get someone to take the job as some of the other 3 lads on the short-list (and a few others not on the short-list, who have been approached) have reservations about taking the job after Cleary turned his back on it. Seems to be a strong suspicion around that taking over the job now is just madness/stupidity as the next manager will take all the blame down the road for being willing to accept the job under conditions Cleary regarded as being below the minimum standard necessary to compete properly. Have heard speculation that the County Board want to get a manager in place before full news on the finances gets out into the public domain and that once he is in place he will be shortly informed afterwards that cutbacks need to be made because of the stadium situation. Another name mentioned in dispatches has been Peader Healy - his recent spell over Crokes seems to be outweighed by the fact that he was involved during the good-times of Counihan's time in charge. Fair chunk of intrigue around this whole appointment especially with a fairly grumpy squad who are unlikely to be a bit happy if they feel they have been foisted off with a sub-standard manager like they were the last time.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 13, 2015 18:53:25 GMT
I genuinely feel sorry for the Cork football man. This is *ing bull* carry on.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 13, 2015 19:16:10 GMT
I have observed a particular situation where good decent people walked away from a (non sporting) voluntary organisation because of one political animal and his carryon. When that happens you end up with a cult.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 13, 2015 19:26:42 GMT
I think Liam Griffin isn't necessarily saying that a weak county can win the hurling All Ireland..clearly they cant and if it were down to financé then Dublin would be winning it now. However, isn't just spreading the ancient game and keeping it from dying out worthwhile in itself.
I read recently that there were just 15 living Uileann pipers in the last 60s. Na Piobairo Uileann was established then to save the tradition. Now there are over 3000 in Ireland alone.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 13, 2015 19:51:20 GMT
Realistic achievements for the weaker counties should be kept in mind when people band around the notion of what the net result of spending volumes of money in these places can actually achieve.
Taking from the rich and giving to the poor is not necessarily the correct focus.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 13, 2015 20:17:32 GMT
so now that Paul OConnell bows out it got me thinking about which Kerry footballer since 1975 embodies the great attributes that Paul has....... Savage leadership, fearlessness, man for the big occasion, guts, bravery, character...!
and which non-Kerry player?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2015 21:02:27 GMT
so now that Paul OConnell bows out it got me thinking about which Kerry footballer since 1975 embodies the great attributes that Paul has....... Savage leadership, fearlessness, man for the big occasion, guts, bravery, character...! and which non-Kerry player? Moynihan was the first name I thoughts of. Am sure there are plenty more.
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Post by leesider on Oct 14, 2015 8:06:49 GMT
If he's not a Cork Gaa football legend one has to ask who the hell is? True but it just shows how low the bar is set for achieving legendary status in Cork football. I'm trying to figure it out what it means that the Irish Times have this story but the Examiner or the Indo don't. That's what makes me think (and hope) that it's BS. The only way I can see Morgan getting the job is if the stadium finances are in even worst shape than the rumours suggest. That's the spin that's being put out by the CCCB anyway; "We can't give the new manager the resources he is asking for because we have this financial stadium millstone around our necks" Overall it seem like its a serious scramble to try and get someone to take the job as some of the other 3 lads on the short-list (and a few others not on the short-list, who have been approached) have reservations about taking the job after Cleary turned his back on it. Seems to be a strong suspicion around that taking over the job now is just madness/stupidity as the next manager will take all the blame down the road for being willing to accept the job under conditions Cleary regarded as being below the minimum standard necessary to compete properly. Have heard speculation that the County Board want to get a manager in place before full news on the finances gets out into the public domain and that once he is in place he will be shortly informed afterwards that cutbacks need to be made because of the stadium situation. Another name mentioned in dispatches has been Peader Healy - his recent spell over Crokes seems to be outweighed by the fact that he was involved during the good-times of Counihan's time in charge. Fair chunk of intrigue around this whole appointment especially with a fairly grumpy squad who are unlikely to be a bit happy if they feel they have been foisted off with a sub-standard manager like they were the last time. All true I'd say. All in all grim times ahead.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 14, 2015 8:15:00 GMT
What was it Donal Og called the 70 million development, a monument to.........................?
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Post by leesider on Oct 14, 2015 11:09:12 GMT
What was it Donal Og called the 70 million development, a monument to.........................? Erra don't mind him, he just loves the sound of his own voice. PUC needed a re-vamp, Cusack is just criticising it for his own ends. Mark my words if and when it's completed in 2017 he'll be praising the CCB for their "foresight".
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Post by Dermot on Oct 14, 2015 11:35:53 GMT
So Sean O'Brien gets 1 week ... it seems pretty lenient but he would have got off scot free had he taken the Dubs legal team with him As Im sure most people are, Im completely devastated for POC & POM ...... especially POC as its his last hurrah ... its just not bloody fair
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 14, 2015 14:05:35 GMT
What was it Donal Og called the 70 million development, a monument to.........................? Erra don't mind him, he just loves the sound of his own voice. PUC needed a re-vamp, Cusack is just criticising it for his own ends. Mark my words if and when it's completed in 2017 he'll be praising the CCB for their "foresight". Have to say I'm looking forward to visiting the completed redevelopment.
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Post by leesider on Oct 14, 2015 14:12:41 GMT
Erra don't mind him, he just loves the sound of his own voice. PUC needed a re-vamp, Cusack is just criticising it for his own ends. Mark my words if and when it's completed in 2017 he'll be praising the CCB for their "foresight". Have to say I'm looking forward to visiting the completed redevelopment. I just hope you won't be too happy on your way out
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